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I'm really liking this kid. He's not perfect- He kinda reminds me of something between Brees/Rodgers/Roethlisberger and would be perfect to sit for a year. I will say that there are two things that stick out... 1. he does something strange with his back knee on his follow thru. it's odd. 2. his throwing motion reminds of me of Drew Brees ish 3. he has a long throwing motion. 4. he needs to clean up his footwork 5. he leans away from his throw when he doesn't need to. what is everyone's thoughts on this kid? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...iel-brandt-saysBlake Bortles now No. 2 QB behind Johnny Manziel, Brandt says Brandt said in a phone interview with College Football 24/7 that Bortles is now his No. 2 quarterback prospect, behind Johnny Manziel but now ahead of Teddy Bridgewater. (When Brandt released his top 50 prospects list two weeks ago, he ranked Manziel No. 1, Bridgewater No. 5 and Bortles No. 6.) Brandt said Bortles' superior physical prowess could ultimately give him the edge over Bridgewater. "I just think that when I see him personally and see what a strong guy he is, he looks just like Ben Roethlisberger did when he came out of college 10 years ago," Brandt said. "And I think that strength part of the QB position is really important in the NFL, because guys that are built strong aren't as likely to get hurt as guys who are thinner like Teddy Bridgewater." 2014 NFL Draft Bortles told "Super Bowl Live" he checks in at just over 6-foot-5 and currently weighs 235 pounds, attributes that were on display in a 34-31 win over Penn State in 2013. Bortles threw for 288 yards and three touchdowns with one interception in what ended up as an inadvertant audition to be the No. 1 overall pick, as new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien was on the other sideline leading the Nittany Lions. Bortles and his camp haven't sent a copy of that tape to O'Brien -- "He probably wouldn't be very happy receiving that," Bortles joked -- but will do everything possible to spend as little time as possible in the green room on May 8. "No doubt. That is the goal, to be the No. 1 pick in the draft," Bortles said. "Wherever I end up going, I will do everything I can to make that organization as successful as possible." If the Texans do take a quarterback with the first pick, there are some intriguing factors that indicate Bortles could be the choice. UCF head coach George O'Leary is one of O'Brien's mentors, having hired him as a graduate assistant at Georgia Tech in 1995. Bortles has size comparable to Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg, the star recruit from O'Brien's college tenure, while Brandt was impressed with Bortles' football IQ. "He really impressed me," Brandt said. "When I asked him some football questions -- basic questions like how they call their formations and things like that -- he didn't hesitate at all. He had all the answers, and I was impressed at how quickly and how well he responded." It has been an improbable rise for Bortles, who wasn't even regarded as the top quarterback prospect in the state of Florida coming into the season. (That distinction would have gone to Jacory Harris of Miami (Fla.) or Jeff Driskel of Florida, who grew up with Bortles in Oviedo, Fla.) "It's been really surreal," said Bortles, who had just four scholarship offers coming out of high school. "And two were to play tight end," noted Bortles. Said Brandt: "This is a big story. A month ago, not that many people even knew who Blake Bortles was. Now he's got a chance to be maybe the second quarterback picked in the draft. I'm excited about him." It is a classic New York rags-to-riches story, one that will culminate in a few months in the Big Apple. Follow Dan Greenspan on Twitter @DanGreenspan.
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Huge fan of the kid, but he needs time to develop like Manziel. Maybe not as long, but criminally underrated as an athlete.
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I really like Bortles. I think he is still not a finsihed product. He needs to spend time learning the game a year or 2 behind an NFL QB.
To me he has a physical skill set similar to Andrew Luck. He needs to develop mentally to get to Lucks level coming out of college.
Although he is currently behind Bridgwater and Manziel he could have a higher ceiling with his physicl skill sets. Neither of those 2 players can match that.
I also like that he choose to participate in the combine. Showed he is not afraid of challenging himself. He also performed pretty well today. Really helped himself.
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I think he goes #1 overall to Houston.
Assuming St. Louis takes Watkins or an OL, Jacksonville might just be able to score a few extra draft picks and not drop too much if they so choose. I'd guess that Oakland, Minnesota, and possibly Tennessee and Tampa would be candidates to move up ahead of us to ensure they get the QB they want. Regardless, I see a QB going at 3.
I said earlier in the week here's how I see it happening (at this point...). With a little over 2 months go to, I'm guessing a lot will change...
Texans: Bortles
Rams: Watkins
Jags*: Manziel
Browns: Bridgewater
Per your question, I'd be ok if we drafted him, but don't have a lot to add as I didn't see him much this year (I think 1 game, the bowl game). He and Bridgewater are the only 2 QB I like in round 1 (I'm not a Manziel fan), but I'd prefer if we either traded down to get one (unlikely) or took Watkins and then traded up to get one (unlikely). I'd rather go Watkins 1a, Dennard/Mosely/Clinton-Dix/Pryor/Gilbert/Su'a-Filo at 1b and then take Garoppolo in 2 or McCarron in 3. Just my 2 cents.
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I would draft Bortles at twenty-six, but not four. As others have said, he has talent, but needs to work on some things.
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I had him around 20 before the combine ..
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I tell ya who he reminds me of and thats Blaine Gabbert. All the potential in the world, just not exactly ready. Let him groom for a year and he has unbelievable potential but he isnt ready to carry the load right now.
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If he is there at four, I take him and sit him behind Hoyer and live with the fallout of sitting a #4. Chances are he would end up starting at some point year one anyway.
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Of the three Main QB's Bortles is my Favorite. In my opinion he has the highest ceiling, and a pretty good floor. The attributes I like about Bortles are, his size, his athletic ability, but also his pocket presence. I have watched every game they have of his from draftbreakdown and it showed he does a great job at climbing forward in the pocket and sliding in the pocket. He is very natural at it. His feet need some work, he also has some accuracy issues, but they are tied to his feet. That is a trait that can be taught, pocket feel is not. You can work on that in shorts all you want but as soon as there is real pressure, you revert back to what you are natural at. I read someone comparing Bortles to Gabbert, I think there are some common traits, but the reason Gabbert sucks is he folds with pressure. Bortles is actually really good with pressure.
I agree he can't come in a start right away. He has work to do. The thing that scares me about him, are guys that come on this late and move up draft boards this late usually don't pan out. I just really like his pocket presence. I think it is one trait that if you do it well in college, you are generally a good NFL QB. If you show trouble in this area, you usually suck, I am looking at you Weeden!
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I am always amazed at how people value brawn over brain.
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They have to go hand in hand. Bortles, from every report shows he has brains, he just need to develop this area. That is an area that study and game film help. You either have a feel for the pocket or you don't. He does. I agree with most on here Bridgewater is the best QB right now. 2 years from now, once Bortles gains more experience and study, his size, and other abilities will overtake him. I just think Bridgewater isn't getting any better. He is what he is. If I like brawn over brain, I would be drooling over L. Thomas. Bortles can get better at things that you can teach, Bridgewater isn't isn't getting any bigger, or play with more passion. His ceiling is limited. Bortles ceiling is much higher. Just an opinion.
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Sorry, I wasn't speaking to you in particular. Your post was fine for the most part.
I do have to say that intelligence is way more important in today's NFL.
Guys like:
Manning
Wilson
Big Ben
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
come in all shapes and sizes.
What they have in common is that each and every one is a football genius.
Bridgewater is the one of the smartest QBs I have seen coming out in years. He may fall, just as Rodgers did, but he is going to be the best of this class and he will be a top qb in this league.
I identified Bortles before anyone. I like him. My problem w/him is that he doesn't always recognize coverages and he doesn't look off the safety. Not sure the former is teachable.
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Bortles is going to show incredibly well in gym shorts......so did Weeden and a host of others.
I like Bortles a lot, but his issues are reading coverages and he gets happy feet when there isn't a clean pocket. I'm fine if we take him at 4, but I would scream if we took him over Bridgewater. He'll need to sit for at least a year, and then you just hope he can develop.
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I like Bridgewater and Bortles.
I would take Watkins in a second, if they are gone, and go back for a QB or 2 later in the draft.
The game is about mismatches, and if the QB is not there, you go find the mismatch that will cause the most havoc. Most teams have a 1 CB, not 2 of them. That would be a challenge.
Get Mason or any of the other faster backs, create a speed issue.
Go back for Metz and/or grap later and create problems for the other side.
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I came across this and thought it was an interesting nugget. Houston Texans QB Coach George Godsey: Quote:
George Godsey enters his first season with the Houston Texans in 2014, where he will serve as quarterbacks coach.
Godsey came to the Texans after three years with the New England Patriots, first as offensive assistant in 2011 and then as tight ends coach the past two seasons. It was in 2011 when he first coached on the same staff as Texans head coach Bill O’Brien who was the Patriots offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach that season.
In Godsey’s first season with the Patriots as offensive assistant in 2011, the team earned the top seed in the AFC with a 13-3 record and advanced to Super Bowl XLVI. New England led the AFC in scoring and ranked third in the NFL with 32.1 points per game, and ranked second in the NFL in total offense (428.0 yards per game). The past two seasons, he has guided the tight ends, including Rob Gronkowski who earned a spot in the Pro Bowl following the 2012 season with his team-leading 11 touchdowns in 11 games played. In 2013, Gronkowski, who played just seven games due to injuries, averaged a career-high 84.6 yards per game.
Prior to joining the Patriots, Godsey spent the previous seven seasons (2004-10) at Central Florida under head coach George O’Leary, who O’Brien coached with at Georgia Tech from 1995-01.
Godsey was the running backs coach in 2009-10 and the quarterbacks coach from 2005-08 after originally joining the staff as a graduate assistant in 2004. During his tenure there, UCF won two Conference USA titles as well as recording the team’s first 11-win season in school history in 2010 and first bowl victory that season with a 10-6 win over Georgia in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl.
In Godsey’s final season as running backs coach at UCF in 2010, the team finished with 36 rushing touchdowns to lead Conference USA. The previous season, the Knights rushed for 20 touchdowns, tying for its second-highest total in a decade at the time, after rushing for eight scores the year before. As quarterbacks coach for UCF, Godsey was pivotal in the development of Kyle Isreal and Steven Moffett, who finished seventh and sixth, respectively, in passing efficiency in school history.
Godsey played quarterback at Georgia Tech from 1998-01, where he first crossed paths with O’Brien, the running backs coach from 1998-00 and offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach in 2001. Godsey set the school record for career completion percentage (63.3) and ranks second in career passing efficiency rating (143.64). Godsey later went on to play one season in the Arena Football League with the Tampa Bay Storm and was part of the 2003 team that won the Arena Bowl title.
A native of Tampa, Fla., Godsey was born on Jan. 1, 1979 and hails from a strong football family. His father played football for Bear Bryant at Alabama, older brother played at the Air Force Academy and younger brother suited up at both quarterback and tight end for Notre Dame.
GODSEY’S COACHING LEDGER
2014: Quarterbacks, Houston Texans
2012-13: Tight Ends, New England Patriots
2011: Offensive Assistant, New England Patriots
2009-10: Running Backs, University of Central Florida
2005-08: Quarterbacks, University of Central Florida
2004: Graduate Assistant, University of Central Florida
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Godsey came to the Texans after three years with the New England Patriots, first as offensive assistant in 2011 and then as tight ends coach the past two seasons. It was in 2011 when he first coached on the same staff as Texans head coach Bill O’Brien who was the Patriots offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach that season.
In Godsey’s first season with the Patriots as offensive assistant in 2011, the team earned the top seed in the AFC with a 13-3 record and advanced to Super Bowl XLVI. New England led the AFC in scoring and ranked third in the NFL with 32.1 points per game, and ranked second in the NFL in total offense (428.0 yards per game). The past two seasons, he has guided the tight ends, including Rob Gronkowski who earned a spot in the Pro Bowl following the 2012 season with his team-leading 11 touchdowns in 11 games played. In 2013, Gronkowski, who played just seven games due to injuries, averaged a career-high 84.6 yards per game.
Prior to joining the Patriots, Godsey spent the previous seven seasons (2004-10) at Central Florida under head coach George O’Leary, who O’Brien coached with at Georgia Tech from 1995-01.
Godsey was the running backs coach in 2009-10 and the quarterbacks coach from 2005-08 after originally joining the staff as a graduate assistant in 2004. During his tenure there, UCF won two Conference USA titles as well as recording the team’s first 11-win season in school history in 2010 and first bowl victory that season with a 10-6 win over Georgia in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl.
In Godsey’s final season as running backs coach at UCF in 2010, the team finished with 36 rushing touchdowns to lead Conference USA. The previous season, the Knights rushed for 20 touchdowns, tying for its second-highest total in a decade at the time, after rushing for eight scores the year before. As quarterbacks coach for UCF, Godsey was pivotal in the development of Kyle Isreal and Steven Moffett, who finished seventh and sixth, respectively, in passing efficiency in school history.
Godsey played quarterback at Georgia Tech from 1998-01, where he first crossed paths with O’Brien, the running backs coach from 1998-00 and offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach in 2001. Godsey set the school record for career completion percentage (63.3) and ranks second in career passing efficiency rating (143.64). Godsey later went on to play one season in the Arena Football League with the Tampa Bay Storm and was part of the 2003 team that won the Arena Bowl title.
A native of Tampa, Fla., Godsey was born on Jan. 1, 1979 and hails from a strong football family. His father played football for Bear Bryant at Alabama, older brother played at the Air Force Academy and younger brother suited up at both quarterback and tight end for Notre Dame.
GODSEY’S COACHING LEDGER
2014: Quarterbacks, Houston Texans
2012-13: Tight Ends, New England Patriots
2011: Offensive Assistant, New England Patriots
2009-10: Running Backs, University of Central Florida
2005-08: Quarterbacks, University of Central Florida
2004: Graduate Assistant, University of Central Florida
now that is really interesting... good find!
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Blake Bortles if you were to rank him against all the players in this draft would be a mid- first round pick. However, because he plays quarterback and there are five or six teams near the top looking for a quarterback there is good reason to believe that he will be taken high.
He could be a very good pick for the Browns mainly because of Brian Hoyer. Bortles would benefit greatly from sitting on the bench for some time to learn the NFL game. He could very well develop over time time into a premier guy.
However, at this point in time he does not compare with Bridgewater. I am not going to go into all the details. Simply stated Bridgewater is a natural to the quarterback position. He plays the position like he was born into it. Like a duck to water.
Bortles is a good second option.
I respect Gil Brandt because of his time and experience in the NFL. But there is no way I rank Manziel over Bridgewater.
It is funny to me to read what some people say about Bridgewater. They question his physical dimensions. Yet, I have not heard one person provide a single statement that is critical about what he has done on and off the playing field. I would like someone to point to one thing that he can not do as a quarterback. Give one reason why he is not a franchise quarterback. That is because he is a franchise quarterback and is worthy of being drafted fourth. In fact I would trade up to get Bridgewater.
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They have done a good job keeping their mouth shut to this point, I wonder how long this lasts before it gets leaked out who they're taking?
I like where we're at. We have options at QB, WR, and Clowney. As much as I want a QB, if we don't have our guy, we can still get an impact player.
If I were the Browns, I'd be leaning towards sitting on my hands rather than looking to move up... Maybe one of the 3 before us gets antsy to move out of their spot and we get offered a deal similar to what we got to get Trent where it was lower picks...
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the days leading up to the draft, they will be able to negotiate. they will have a real one and a dummy one (for leverage). we'll see then who they are truly interested in. i doubt they bluff all the way to the draft unless they want to trade down (as getting the guy signed is one of the nice perks of drafting first).
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Would anyone complain if we took Sammy Watkins with our #4 pick and moved up to get a QB?
Do you think Bortles will be there in the mid first round?
or with our 4 pick go Manziel/Bridgewater and moved up to get a WR?
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It would depend on what else we do with the draft.
I can say that it sure would be nice having Gordon opposite a guy being compared to Gordon. If we could add a quality RB and an OG, that just might make me smile.
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Would anyone complain if we took Sammy Watkins with our #4 pick and moved up to get a QB?
Do you think Bortles will be there in the mid first round?
or with our 4 pick go Manziel/Bridgewater and moved up to get a WR?
I love Watkins, but I think it's more important that they get their QB. If they aren't completely sold on any of these guys, then I'm ok with Watkins and 4, and seeing if they can get back into the teens to take their QB.
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Smile would be created on my face as' well... I don't think Watkins at four is a good idea though. In my opinion, they need a QB and then the rest of the puzzle will fall into place. They can find OG/RB's in the second and third, how they (they as Farmer and company) use these two first round picks will likely reflect on how many games we'll be able to win and compete come season start. IMO, if we don't come out with a QB, regardless if Hoyer is 100% ready-to-rock, we're already jeopardizing the success of the season, new staff and so forth. Solidify the QB position, and THEN move onto the other equations/needs. It's the one thing this team hasn't had is a QB, and it (IMO) is the MAIN reason we're accustom to losing seasons year-after-year.
Blake made a great decision not to decline to throw at the combine. I'm extra curious how our first round draft unfolds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would anyone complain if we took Sammy Watkins with our #4 pick and moved up to get a QB?
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Can not envision that because if you use the fourth pick you have nothing really to offer. A team with a top three pick will not be willing to drop to 26 and next years draft. I just to not see that.
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Move up to where? From where?
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By all accounts this is a very deep draft ar receiver moving up is not likely.
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Do you think Bortles will be there in the mid first round?
or with our 4 pick go Manziel/Bridgewater and moved up to get a WR?
I would love to pair Watkins with Gordon ...... and I would be fine with that if the powers that be feel that someone like Garappolo is the right QB for them, and they can get him at 26, or in the 2nd round.
However, I think that there is a significant difference between the top 3 QBs and a guy like Jimmy G. Of course, I have not studied them in depth ....... but everything I read says that the top 3 guys are significantly more capable and talented than those lower in the draft.
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Would anyone complain if we took Sammy Watkins with our #4 pick and moved up to get a QB?
Do you think Bortles will be there in the mid first round?
or with our 4 pick go Manziel/Bridgewater and moved up to get a WR?
I would love to pair Watkins with Gordon ...... and I would be fine with that if the powers that be feel that someone like Garappolo is the right QB for them, and they can get him at 26, or in the 2nd round.
However, I think that there is a significant difference between the top 3 QBs and a guy like Jimmy G. Of course, I have not studied them in depth ....... but everything I read says that the top 3 guys are significantly more capable and talented than those lower in the draft.
Building on this, I would be ticked if we took Watkins and/or traded down if Bridgewater and/or Manziel were still out there. Bortles I'm so wishy-washy on.
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Yes.
Also, if the Rams don't trade the #2 pick, isn't Watkins the most likely pick? They could then grab the best offensive linemen available with the 13th pick.
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At this point, no. I don't know what most people consider the mid first round but three of the teams that pick directly after us need a QB. I would expect one of them to take a chance on Bortles if he isn't picked by the Texans, Jaguars, or us.
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We don't have to move up to get a wide receiver. This is the deepest wide receiver class in years.
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If Bortles' footwork is that poor with no pass rush, in his underwear, what is it going to be like when facing AFC North defensive lines?
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By AFC North, do you mean the Bengals? Because I am not that scared of the Ravens and Steelers anymore (emphasis on Steelers).
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I hope Bortles skyrockets up the draft..
I hope Houston either falls for Manziels playmaking/marketing ability and Jacksonville gets sold on Bortles...
If I were the Browns I would start having people leak stories that Bortles and Manziel are better than Teddy, that no one in the top 5 really wants him...
So I could take him at 4...
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If I were the Browns I would start having people leak stories that Bortles and Manziel are better than Teddy
You really don't think that teams would hear those rumors and then say, "Oh the Browns think the other 2 are better. We better not take him."? Each team will make its own decisions and determinations about who they feel is the better player, and rumors about what the other teams think won't impact that.
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No I don't mean they put out stories that THEY think the other guys are better...
But if you want a guy at 4, and can put out info that might influence other people beliefs, weather it be making other guys go up, or your guy go down... I would do that...
How do you think Miami got Marino in the 20s?
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I follow you now. I just misunderstood what you were saying. I guess it's like when a team bluffs that they're going after one player, when they secretly want another.
As for Marino, I thought I remembered there being questions about him liking the nose candy a bit too much when he came out more than anything else.
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Right, the story is that Shula was close to Pitts head coach, and had those stories put out so that he would have him drop...
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Sorry for coming in at the end of your discussion...but isn't after that they decided to do the combine for the Medical stuff????
Marino Dolphin thingy.
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They had the Combine back then, I doubt how advanced the medical was though...
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what is it going to be like when facing AFC North defensive lines?
By AFC North, do you mean the Bengals? Because I am not that scared of the Ravens and Steelers anymore (emphasis on Steelers).
I know, I think I was just being nostalgic. Sizzle still poses somewhat of a threat.
I kept reading and reading posts and nobody seemed to question why he couldn't clean up his footwork on most of his throws. If you don't step into the pass with no rush then when do you?
Hey, imo he's not the guy. No, no, not the guy.
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I see a lot of "this guy can't play in the AFC North!" thrown around here... The Bengals, while the most balaced of the four, still rely heavily on the passing game. Pitt all but abandoned the run for the past few years, and the Ravens just kind of suck on offense... Add in Pitt and Baltimore's defenses getting really old, really quick, and Cincy losing Zimmer (a big deal IMO) and playing in the AFC North isnt really that big of a deal.. The NFC West however... 
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The NFC West however...
the NFC West has a midget, a run-first guy, a has-been, and a never-will-be as QBs of their teams   
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