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I would say right now, I rank them as
#1 Carr
#2 Manziel
#3 Bortles
#4 Garoppolo
#5 Bridgewater
I hate saying that cause Bridgewater was so good this year but when I watched that sideline footage someone posted yesterday, the mechanics was in such contrast to what I saw during the season, it makes me wonder about an injury. He was throwing behind players and pushing the ball on even the simpliest of routes. That worries me big time. I would bring him in and work him out privately and if Monday was an anomaly, fine he is back into top 10 consideration but if I saw again what i saw on Monday I would take him off my board completely.
I know Carr has his detractors but he improved every year. he has the best arm, good mobility and when he sets his feet he throws the ball like Marino. I think he needs a year to groom but has the most upside of any QB in this draft. he throws the slant and screen better than anyone in this draft. Mid game is good and would be 2nd only to bridgewater. Deep ball blah, Manziel is probably the best deep ball thrower lol.
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#browns HC mike Pettine,OC Kyle Shanahan and QB coach Dowell Loggains all skipped Blake Bortles Pro Day today. Also skipped Teddy's....But I'm told that the browns coaches skipping these QB Pro Days means nothing b/c they'll likely conduct private workouts w/ top prospects.
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Well... if we don't hold private workouts with any of the top rated qb's, then welcome back as starter Hoyer.
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
Also, both Pettine and Farmer have praised Hoyer and his effort during rehab.
It also could be a smokescreen. Or it could be nothing.
I will say that I would not be shocked if we passed on a QB with both of our first round picks.
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
No... it isn't you. I had thought the same exact thought few weeks ago when they had announced they skipped on everyones combine. The hair thing, the family event thing, the recovery process videos, hell Mike Pettine don't even have as many videos as Hoyer has recently lol
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
No... it isn't you. I had thought the same exact thought few weeks ago when they had announced they skipped on everyones combine. The hair thing, the family event thing, the recovery process videos, hell Mike Pettine don't even have as many videos as Hoyer has recently lol
I've been thinking that for a while and there was a tweet From Hoyer that I saw personally and that was taken down almost right after . it said something like... glad to we signed tate and he's looking forward to handing the rock off to him all season.
that is another reason I'm super pumped about Sammy glue hands Watkins and believe we will take him to help Hoyer.
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
Also, both Pettine and Farmer have praised Hoyer and his effort during rehab.
It also could be a smokescreen. Or it could be nothing.
I will say that I would not be shocked if we passed on a QB with both of our first round picks.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns did pass on a QB, not only in the first round but the second round as well.
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Interesting, Mike, Kyle and etc all skipped, but Ray Farmer did not: Cleveland Browns' Mike Pettine, Kyle Shanahan and QB coach skipped Blake Bortles Pro Day, but Ray Farmer attended http://dlvr.it/5BHx3bhttps://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot
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Interesting, Mike, Kyle and etc all skipped, but Ray Farmer did not:
Cleveland Browns' Mike Pettine, Kyle Shanahan and QB coach skipped Blake Bortles Pro Day, but Ray Farmer attended http://dlvr.it/5BHx3b
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Curious, isn't it? But nobody even met with Bridgewater and haven't asked to set up a meeting or workout with him.
Why would the Browns let Farmer go about talking to him and set up a workout? He's drawn at least that much interest, which is quite a lot. Truth is, he's much better of a QB prospect than Bridgewater.
We heard that Farmer was at the Louisville pro day (none of the others were) but that he didn't meet with Bridgewater but with the corner, Calvin Pryor.
I'm sorry to say this to all the Bridgewater sycophants out there, he ain't what you thought (or still think) he is. He isn't rated highly at all (by almost no teams) and he should drop precipitously. At this point, I would be surprised if he was invited to NYC for the draft and even if he is, he should decline. He will be this year's Geno Smith.
All the pundits felt Smith would be taken high in the draft but it took the Jets until the second round to draft him and it was a reach even there. Why are the Jets meeting with Michael Vick on Friday? They're already throwing in the towel on Geno Smith. Vick would be the starter, not a mentor or back-up to Geno Smith. 
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
No... it isn't you. I had thought the same exact thought few weeks ago when they had announced they skipped on everyones combine. The hair thing, the family event thing, the recovery process videos, hell Mike Pettine don't even have as many videos as Hoyer has recently lol
It is pretty obvious that he Browns want to keep everyone guessing this year. Hoyer is a plausible scenario.
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He isn't rated highly at all (by almost no teams) and he should drop precipitously. At this point, I would be surprised if he was invited to NYC for the draft and even if he is, he should decline. He will be this year's Geno Smith.
It's nice to know that someone in our midst has the inside track to every NFL teams big board and how they have Bridgewater ranked.
At this point? This kind of talk is pure attention speaking jibberish. You have no clue how teams or NFL GM's see Bridgewater.
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He isn't rated highly at all (by almost no teams) and he should drop precipitously. At this point, I would be surprised if he was invited to NYC for the draft and even if he is, he should decline. He will be this year's Geno Smith.
It's nice to know that someone in our midst has the inside track to every NFL teams big board and how they have Bridgewater ranked.
At this point? This kind of talk is pure attention speaking jibberish. You have no clue how teams or NFL GM's see Bridgewater.
You're right. I don't. At least, no more than you do. Your statement is pure attention speaking gibberish.
Geno Smith was highly thought of by the mock drafters too. They talked him up so much that the Jets took a flier on him in the 2nd round last year and are looking to speak to Michael Vick about signing with them to replace Smith after a single season.
Of course, it's only my viewpoint, bug Teddy Bridgewater (2014 NFL Draft) = Geno Smith (2013 NFL Draft). It remains to be seen if some team is convinced to take a flier on him in the 2nd round or not. If a team takes him in the 1st round, it's a Brady Quinnesque reach by the team that selects him. If it's high in the draft, it's JaMarcus Russellesque reach.
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You're right. I don't. At least, no more than you do.
Well thanks for clearing that part up because what you posted sure didn't read that way.
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I know it probably is just me reading into things, but the main site (Cleveland Browns.com) has really been pumping Hoyer through videos and articles and such. They are treating him as if he is the etched in stone starter next year.
Also, both Pettine and Farmer have praised Hoyer and his effort during rehab.
It also could be a smokescreen. Or it could be nothing.
I will say that I would not be shocked if we passed on a QB with both of our first round picks.
I'm pulling for Hoyer to be the starter. This is even if we bring in Schaub or some other vet and regardless of who we draft & where we draft them.
I'm hoping we pass on the position w/ both 1st rounders.
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Well thanks for clearing that part up because what you posted sure didn't read that way.
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1. Don't want him
2. I see bust all over this guy. Can't say it's because I've scouted him as much as I've scouted... Say ugh a, .. Sammy the Bull Watkins. (Pardon the plug.... Thanks). I'm just not keen on the guy. He was a TE 2 years ago wasn't he? It's not just that... I just don't think he's worth a #4. Didn't the FO say that they are a "BPA" type of draft thinking FO?
3.Either way the best player on the board as we speak,IMO, is .... Sa.. (Excuse me)..... Is NOT Bortles
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Geno Smith was highly thought of by the mock drafters too. They talked him up so much that the Jets took a flier on him in the 2nd round last year and are looking to speak to Michael Vick about signing with them to replace Smith after a single season.
I don't quite remember it that way. Not one of us who are pimping Teddy were saying we should draft Geno.
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Geno Smith was highly thought of by the mock drafters too. They talked him up so much that the Jets took a flier on him in the 2nd round last year and are looking to speak to Michael Vick about signing with them to replace Smith after a single season.
I don't quite remember it that way. Not one of us who are pimping Teddy were saying we should draft Geno.
I remember it to be the exact opposite. The last two guys that were in our sites, Geno Smith and Ryan Tannenhill I was staunchly against drafting. This year I would be fine with Bridgewater or Manziel.
I think it's hilarious, to hear that both Bridgewater and Manziel could "fall to the second round". What a joke. Both are immensly more talented than Geno Smith.
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I think it's hilarious, to hear that both Bridgewater and Manziel could "fall to the second round". What a joke. Both are immensly more talented than Geno Smith.
Geno Smith was grossly overdrafted (just Geno Smith being drafted proves this) and even in the second round, both Manziel & Bridgewater will be overdrafted. Manziel might be worth it in the 4th. Bridgewater, no sooner than the 5th and that may be a bit of a stretch for him.
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I love the comic relief you keep providing concerning the QB's in this years draft! 
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I love the comic relief you keep providing concerning the QB's in this years draft!
It's so ridiculous it's sort of irritating. He's definitely trolling.
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I love the comic relief you keep providing concerning the QB's in this years draft!
Glad that you're having a laugh about it.
Any that really thinks that the Browns will draft Bridgewater or Manziel at #4 (or anywhere else)? That's what I find truly comical.
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I love the comic relief you keep providing concerning the QB's in this years draft!
It's so ridiculous it's sort of irritating. He's definitely trolling.
Not trolling at all. Just coming to conclusions on the players myself (not adopting someone else's opinion) and making educated guesses on what the Browns front office intends to do. In my view, they have no intention at all of drafting Manziel or Bridgewater. I had the chance below 5% on Bridgewater before. Now, I think the chance is actually 0%. They won't draft Bridgewater. The chances that they draft Manziel (and I think he'll be available) is barely more than 0%.
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With the Texans trading Schaub and signing Fitzpatrick I think it becomes clear that the first pick in the draft will be a quarterback. That being said it appears that Bortles will be that pick. O'Brian with his background you have to believe that Bortles would be his guy.
The Rams could be trade partners for someone who wants Clowney. If that does not take place they will either take him or take one of the tackles. (Fisher has a long history with Bruce Matthews his son Jake could be their guy).
If Clowney is there then one would think he would go third. If he is gone then a quarterback comes into play. Most likely Bridgewater with an outside chance on Manziel.
That means the Browns pick in my mind comes down to either Bridgewater or Sammy Watkins. I would find it hard to believe that the Browns would pass on Bridgewater if he is there.
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This is as good of an assessment as any. I agree that Bortles likely goes first to the Texan, (as much as I would like him to fall to us). All we can do is wait for the chips to fall.
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I would find it hard to believe that the Browns would pass on Bridgewater if he is there.
I think were looking at:
1. Watkins 2. Mack 3. Robinson
If it's Robinson, I can see us putting him at RG for a yr, then sliding him over to RT. The reason I say that is he played G before moving to LT. Mack is a top talent, you don't pass up talent. Watkins would make a great WR next to Josh. The way I see it is we can't miss.
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I would find it hard to believe that the Browns would pass on Bridgewater if he is there.
I think were looking at:
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If it's Robinson, I can see us putting him at RG for a yr, then sliding him over to RT. The reason I say that is he played G before moving to LT. Mack is a top talent, you don't pass up talent. Watkins would make a great WR next to Josh. The way I see it is we can't miss.
That's a fair assessment. Though I do think Teddy tops the list. I think if we could find value for Sheard in a trade we'd go Mack. I'm sorry but I don't care if it was in Buffalo where our coach is from you don't send every coach to an OLBs proday and not the top QBs as a pure smokescreen. I think they love Mack.
If they can't get good value for Sheard you weaken the team by taking him over Robinson or even Watkins. I think if Robinson is there we pull an Ogden and take him. He can play multiple spots to start his career. If all else fails with Teddy and Robinson gone with no trade for Sheard I could live with Watkins but I'd prefer a trade down.
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I like Mack and think he is a great player.
If we take him I will be upset.
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I think he's right though, that our first pick will be either Watkins, Robinson, or Mack. I won't be upset with any of them, just Manziel. And even then, just mildly upset.
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I don't even see how Mack would be under consideration. Not that he's a good player, just that we have several quality players at that position already.
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I would throw in Clowney as an option - I don't think he'll be there at 4. But I could see Pettine loving a guy with his athleticism.
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I would find it hard to believe that the Browns would pass on Bridgewater if he is there.
I think were looking at:
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If it's Robinson, I can see us putting him at RG for a yr, then sliding him over to RT. The reason I say that is he played G before moving to LT. Mack is a top talent, you don't pass up talent. Watkins would make a great WR next to Josh. The way I see it is we can't miss.
The draft is so much deeper at WR than at LBs that can pass rush and drop into coverage. The Browns could get a sufficient WR in the 4th, possibly the 5th round.
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Now I'm seeing articles that say that Bortles is the guy that Houston will go after. One question, how did he leapfrog Teddy?
I would have thought that Teddy would be the first pick in the draft.. Now, I just don't know.
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I don't even see how Mack would be under consideration. Not that he's a good player, just that we have several quality players at that position already.
If this happened, I'd guess there would be some trade activity shortly after. The unfortunate thing, outside of getting rid of a player like Sheard or giving up on Mingo, is that teams know we are flush with too much supply and it could effect what we would get in return.
Who knows, some people are suggesting Mack can play ILB...I don't know if that is possible, though. Just throwing that back out there.
Just remember, like any new regime...they have no ties to any of the players on the previous year's roster. Therefore, anything is game. Even with Farmer begin around last year, who knows who he really liked or not...
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I think it comes down to who is the better over all player regardless of pos. If it is Mack then I see a trade of Sheard or if not then we have some amazing depth. If Watkins is there then again is he a better WR than the LB or OL? I think we go BPA and let the chips fall where they may.
Edit: Now that I think about it, how many yrs. have we left talent on the board and reached for a guy because we felt like we needed to? To many. This year that stops and we draft talent. You know what they say....You can never have enough talent.
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I mean the Glove thing sounds pretty darn odd, but Teddy did what he did. He was a pretty successful QB in College. That should speak for his career so far, not one day.... Anyone can have one bad day right?
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Yes anyone can have a bad day and I said as much that day. But as you noted something is causing this leapfrog effect. What else has happened? Bortles didn't hurt himself but he didn't do anything astounding at his pro day.
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