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By Tom Reed, Northeast Ohio Media Group on February 21, 2014 at 2:52 PM, updated February 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM
INDIANAPOLIS – Indianapolis Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson offered plenty of expansive answers during his media session Friday at the NFL Combine.
His shortest response was to a question regarding running back Trent Richardson. Given a redo, would Grigson trade his first-round pick to the Browns for the halfback?
“Yes,” Grigson said moving onto the next query.
When it comes to the Richardson deal, perhaps, the less said the better for the Colts and their fans. Indianapolis is bereft of a first-round choice thanks to its blockbuster trade to acquire the Alabama product on Sept. 18. Richardson averaged just 2.9 yards per carry in 14 games, eventually losing his starting job to Donald Brown.
Most viewed his season as disappointing and hardly worth the price in what’s expected to be a deep first-round pool. The Browns earned the No. 26 overall pick in the transaction -- considered the best football move of the brief Joe Banner-Mike Lombardi era that ended a week ago with their firings.
Richardson managed just 563 yards and three touchdowns on 188 carries, totals that include his two games with the Browns. He ran for 950 yards and 11 TDs during his rookie season. He recently underwent arthroscopic shoulder surgery.
Pressed on the matter, Grigson was asked to evaluate Richardson’s performance with the Colts.
“I think there’s room for improvement, like I could say for anyone,” he said. “There are areas in Trent’s game where he really did show up and help us in key situations. ... There’s obviously a big magnifying glass on him every week, but we see positives. We watch the tape, we evaluate it and see how a guy is progressing. We feel like he’s going in the right direction.”
Colts coach Chuck Pagano also remains optimistic about the future of the No. 3 overall pick in the 2012 draft.
“The sky’s the limit for Trent, having a full off-season with us,” Pagano said. "This will be an important off-season for him. ... We are looking for great things from Trent and Trent looks for great things from himself. Moving forward there are high expectations there."
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...but, but...he got a 1st for TRich  Let me guess, you opening a new thread on OLD news that has been posted in other threads already and could (and should) have gone in one of the multiple TRich-bash threads, has absolutely nothing to do with the NEW report and thread about Banner supposedly being power hungry.
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Either that or we should offer him Weeden for a 2nd.
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That's quite some spin, there. Doing what he can to boost TRich's psyche for next season.
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Not that I lke to laugh at others misfortune, but usually it's the Brown's that get the short end of the stick on deals like this. Sooooooooooooo............. 
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Lmao, no he wouldn't... let's be real. If he indeed would make the trade again, then I am at a total loss for words at the stupidity level of his.
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Just another example of why you can't take public comments from GMs and coaches too seriously. It was a blunder and he knows it, but by acknowledging that, he would be throwing one of the players under the bus and that is a bad way to go about things.
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Lmao, no he wouldn't... let's be real. If he indeed would make the trade again, then I am at a total loss for words at the stupidity level of his.
This is the make or break year for TRich... if he does not get his act together and produce then the Bust tag can be applied.
That said i expect him to start strong and the talking heads can get their shots at Cleveland, but by mid season he will wear down, get dinged up, ( if not worse) and fade away... of course the heads will not mention Cleveland when that happens.
Hey at least I agree with the Colts... i would make the trade again too.. 
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Trent might not get an opportunity to start strong. Donald Brown and Boom Heron may just take over completely as their performance and production was much more notable than Trents. Especially if come 1/4 or mid season and Trent is still looking lost out there. Not sure though, it's kind of an awkward situation for them. Got a highly paid back on their roster that can't produce, and lower paid backs that can. At this stage, I don't even know what type of trade bait Trent could be used for. All he has going for him was that he was a high draft pick and is great at catching the ball outta the backfield. Ah well, better their problem than ours 
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That's a good point, never considered that.... Pagano strkes me as the kind that plays those that produce , not those drafted high.
TRich may be more an afterthought once the season starts for real.
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Not that I lke to laugh at others misfortune, but usually it's the Brown's that get the short end of the stick on deals like this.
Sooooooooooooo.............
We haven't claimed our draft pick yet, so there's still a chance.
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Just another example of why you can't take public comments from GMs and coaches too seriously. It was a blunder and he knows it, but by acknowledging that, he would be throwing one of the players under the bus and that is a bad way to go about things.
Yep.
As others have said, what's he supposed to say?
"Gee, Obviously I wish that we hadn't made that trade. We are stuck with this Richardson kid, and he is signed for the next couple of years, so we'll make the best of it, but let's face it, he's been a bum so far, and if we could do it all over again, I certainly wouldn;t get taken like that."
I mean, really? What good would it do for him to second guess the trade and tear down Trent in public? If Richardson doesn't get things turned around this year, then they will release him at some point. It happens. Teams make mistakes. Players regress and or fail to become what the team expects. No team is perfect. Luckily we were on the good side of that deal. (at least so far) However, we shouldn't gloat, because just as quickly we could grab the bust of the draft at 26, and Trent could lead the league in rushing next year.
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The article made it pretty clear that he wasn't happy to be answering that question. With the wording of the article, I can imagine the tone of voice and the look on his face. If that's how it was, that tells you all you need to know.
It's the equivalent of a buddy pinning someone's arms back and letting you get one free punch. That GM couldn't say anything other than what he did.
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I'm going to get bashed for this but I might be the only Browns fan who wishes we still had Richardson. I was extremely upset when he was traded and still don't agree with the idea of trading your 3rd overall draft pick a mere 18 games into his career. Obviously he had a terrible year with the Colts but I still think he has potential to turn into a good back in the future. Sometimes it can take a running back a few years to get into a comfort zone and find his groove (Fred Jackson, Knoshon Moreno, Marshawn Lynch, ect).
With that all being said, part of me is obviously glad that we have the 26th overall pick and hopefully we won't waste the pick.
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Who we take at 26 and how he transitions into the NFL obviously is the key to define the trade as good or bad.
We'll see. But we might get a shot at the TOP pick of an OG, Safety, TE, ILB...guys who generally don't go in the top half of the draft. Would we dare go RB with that pick...that would be rather interesting...lol 
Wait n see for me.
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How long do you wait to see if Richardson is good? Would any team give up a first round pick for Fred Jackson or Knowshon Moreno? (No.) Marshawn Lynch was always good, he was just a knucklehead. Quote:
I was extremely upset when he was traded and still don't agree with the idea of trading your 3rd overall draft pick a mere 18 games into his career.
Once Richardson is on the roster he is just a guy. This is especially true when a new front office takes over. There are very few running backs that are worth first round picks in the NFL (Peterson, Charles, McCoy, and maybe Lynch). We got a first round pick for a guy who is worth around a sixth round pick as of right now.
You do the trade every time.
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Who we take at 26 and how he transitions into the NFL obviously is the key to define the trade as good or bad.
I don't agree with that...
It's two different things. Two different conversations.
If the player at 26 fails, it's a bad personnel move, and that shouldn't take away the fact that we were able to get out from under what looks to be a pretty bad pick with Richardson.
Whoever we draft at 26, you didn't trade Richardson for that guy. You traded Richardson for the chance to take that guy or someone else...
Not to mention the Richardson trade and the pick at 26 will be done by different people.
If you ask me, I don't see any way Indy pulls that deal knowing what they knew about what they would get from Richardson last year.
Great running backs are ready to go pretty much right away. They don't really develop that much. 18 games in is more than enough to make a solid judgement. Right now he looks like a 4-5th round talent. When you take a guy as high we did with him, you should expect a top 5 back.
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The trade wasn't Richardson for whoever we end up picking at 26 (or 1/4, 1/3 of the quarterback we end up trading up for... you know what mean).
The trade was for a 1st round pick, so there's no wait to judge the trade.
You could critique trading him to the Colts, a strong team that would probably draft later rather than sooner. You could also debate trading him for picks in this draft (vs later drafts) and talk about the overall strength of the different drafts.
But that's pretty much it.
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I don't agree with that otay...
The bad pick won't be official till his career is defined...which might be soon might not.
Who we pick at 26 has everything to do with it being a good move for us or not.
I get it - its not the trade value fault that we took Vekeune at #50. It was a great trade by Mangini...but not many would give him credit for that just the end result.
I'm confused which is it??? Or does it change by who did the trading? In the end all we got is this:
Was the trade a win win? Was the trade a win for only one side? Was the trade a Lose Lose?
What is odd is that the people making the pick had nothing to do with the Draft pick in 2012 nor the trade of the pick in 2013...lol
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Just silliness. They were swindled.¼Z…ø know it, I knoæ"it, vegeta le lasa•nµ ºere knows it.
I say we let them double down and offer Weeden for a 2nd rounder. No...make a it 3rd I'm feeling friendly. Talk about a bargain Irsay!
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Not that I lke to laugh at others misfortune, but usually it's the Brown's that get the short end of the stick on deals like this.
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We haven't claimed our draft pick yet, so there's still a chance.
Yup, we could still end up using that pick on a runningback that averages only 3.2 ypc
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I don't agree with that
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The bad pick won't be official till his career is defined...which might be soon might not.
Who we pick at 26 has everything to do with it being a good move for us or not.
I get it - its not the trade value fault that we took Vekeune at #50. It was a great trade by Mangini...but not many would give him credit for that just the end result.
I'm confused which is it??? Or does it change by who did the trading? In the end all we got is this:
Was the trade a win win? Was the trade a win for only one side? Was the trade a Lose Lose?
What is odd is that the people making the pick had nothing to do with the Draft pick in 2012 nor the trade of the pick in 2013...lol
100% agree with your first sentence... If Trent turns himself around and goes Adrian Peterson on us, then what? I'm actually still ok with the trade. The value of the RB has diminished over the years because of the shelf life and because teams are finding good backs everywhere. Middle rounds, late rounds, undrafted...
The difference between my thinking and yours is I see it as two different moves to evaluate... Trading out from the pick so the Jets could get Sanchez is one move. Drafting David Veikune is another. I don't intertwine them... I thought the trade back was a solid move (I was never high on Sanchez) and I was like many and questioned the Veikune move. I see that as two different conversations.
I think the Trent trade is a good move. If we draft another David Veikune at 26, then I will view that as a bad move while still loving the value we got at getting rid of Richardson.
Really we are just arguing semantics, because the team is not getting anywhere when they draft bad players.
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Yup, we could still end up using that pick on a runningback that averages only 3.2 ypc
That would still be better than the 2.8 yards per carry Richardson had.
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Ok got it now
I'm actually still ok with the trade. The value of the RB has diminished over the years because of the shelf life and because teams are finding good backs everywhere. Middle rounds, late rounds, undrafted...
Pretty much with you and agree on this 100%. I mean I supported the pick and looked at the positives. But prior to him becoming a Brown I was dead set against it. That was at #5 let alone trading up to 3.
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That would still be better than the 2.8 yards per carry Richardson had.
He's a career 3.3. He was 3.4 for us in 2013 and didn't drop to 2.9 until he got to Indy.
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I'm venturing to say Trent will evolve into a strict, third down back. A highly paid, third down back. And at least that third down back isn't taking money outta the Brown's pocket anymore!
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I'm actually still ok with the trade. The value of the RB has diminished over the years because of the shelf life and because teams are finding good backs everywhere. Middle rounds, late rounds, undrafted...
Pretty much with you and agree on this 100%. I mean I supported the pick and looked at the positives. But prior to him becoming a Brown I was dead set against it. That was at #5 let alone trading up to 3.
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90% of Browns fans were ok with the move, because of what we thought we were getting, and I'm still not 100% against drafting a RB high, but I just think you have to really be sure about what you're getting. If another 6'2" 240 back in the mold of Jim Brown and AP comes along, I don't care if you pick him with the 1st overall pick.
What sucks is that we need a back BADLY and I really don't love any of these guys coming out.
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90% of fans were NOT ok with with the move. I'd say 90% (at least) were adamantly opposed to it.
Actually I remember when the news broke, I was playing poker at the 'shoe and I've never seen the room get so lively with people talking about it. Personally I loved the move, always did. and banner and co. should at least get some credit for having the guts to make such a major and unpopular move during the season.
It only started becoming popular when we won a few games and people started realizing that Trent was overrated, to put it kindly.
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Just silliness. They were swindled. You know it, I know it, vegetable lasagna here knows it.
I say we let them double down and offer Weeden for a 2nd rounder. No...make a it 3rd I'm feeling friendly. Talk about a bargain Irsay!
I would be irate if I were a colts fan. If I can credit Banner and Lombo with anything...that trade was magnificent.
I enjoyed the Seinfeld quote in your post ha ha
Part of the reason I was so upset about Richardson being dealt was I felt like Browns were on their way to establishing an identity. As we all saw this past season virtually all of our running backs struggled to get many yards because our offensive line doesn't posses capable run blocking guards or any kind of fullback. I wanted to see what Richardson could do behind a good offensive line. I still think the guy can turn into a good back. I just hope we make a smart pick with our #26. I would love to upgrade the guard position with it.
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90% of fans were NOT ok with with the move. I'd say 90% (at least) were adamantly opposed to it.
Actually I remember when the news broke, I was playing poker at the 'shoe and I've never seen the room get so lively with people talking about it. Personally I loved the move, always did. and banner and co. should at least get some credit for having the guts to make such a major and unpopular move during the season.
It only started becoming popular when we won a few games and people started realizing that Trent was overrated, to put it kindly.
I was talking about the move to actually draft Richardson... I think most were on board.
I'd say it was pretty close to 50/50 when we dealt him, and like you said, once he started putting up below average results with the Colts, people quickly came around...
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90% of fans were NOT ok with with the move. I'd say 90% (at least) were adamantly opposed to it.
Actually I remember when the news broke, I was playing poker at the 'shoe and I've never seen the room get so lively with people talking about it. Personally I loved the move, always did. and banner and co. should at least get some credit for having the guts to make such a major and unpopular move during the season.
It only started becoming popular when we won a few games and people started realizing that Trent was overrated, to put it kindly.
I was talking about the move to actually draft Richardson... I think most were on board.
I'd say it was pretty close to 50/50 when we dealt him, and like you said, once he started putting up below average results with the Colts, people quickly came around...
Oh, my bad. I thought you were saying 90% were on board with the trade at the time.
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I thought the Patriots playoff game really exposed how bad he is. For a while I think the sentiment was that he was just not a game changing back. If you ask me, I think he's horrible. Like won't be in the league 2 years from now horrible. There were huge gaps to run through in that playoff game in New England and he just didn't run through them. He ran right into traffic. Which is what he has pretty much always done. To do it on that stage when Indy was in that game for a while really puts the spotlight on it. He's horrible.
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No disagreements from me... I thought the playoff game before that was even funnier. 1 carry, 1 fumble and if I recall correctly the guy was hardly even touched. Bizarre.
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I was on board with drafting TRich.. I wasn't jumping and down over it, wish we could have done it without giving anything else up, thought #3 was a bit high for a RB.. but overall I was ok with it. I fully expected him to solidify the position for the next 7 or 8 years.. and on a team which always seemed to have constant turnover, that in itself was of great value. I was wrong.
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I was on board with drafting TRich.. I wasn't jumping and down over it, wish we could have done it without giving anything else up, thought #3 was a bit high for a RB.. but overall I was ok with it. I fully expected him to solidify the position for the next 7 or 8 years.. and on a team which always seemed to have constant turnover, that in itself was of great value. I was wrong.
We all were.
I don't think most fans fully realize the impact of that trade. To be able to rid yourself of what looks to be a giant bust, you were able to get another chance.
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I was on board with drafting TRich.. I wasn't jumping and down over it, wish we could have done it without giving anything else up, thought #3 was a bit high for a RB.. but overall I was ok with it. I fully expected him to solidify the position for the next 7 or 8 years.. and on a team which always seemed to have constant turnover, that in itself was of great value. I was wrong.
We all were.
I don't think most fans fully realize the impact of that trade. To be able to rid yourself of what looks to be a giant bust, you were able to get another chance.
I wasn't on board with drafting Trent lol. Honestly never saw anything from Trent that was special... all his highlights at Bama seemed to be him just running through giant holes.
Now, to be clear I'm not saying I'm some great talent evaluator because I'm not. I mean, I was probably one of the biggest supporters of drafting Weeden so, ya, I've got some blemishes lol.
Completely agree though that this really was an amazing trade to be able to pull off. I've got to give the credit Banner on this too... as much as I have come to be glad he was fired he did do some very good things for us.
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