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I can't remember the last time we were this clueless as to who the first overall pick would. At this point, it could be one of three QBs (Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles) or Clowney.
Last year we knew it was going to be Fisher or Joeckel.
Since we came back to the league:
2012: Luck
2011: Newton
2010: Bradford
2009: Stafford
2008: Long
2007: Russell
2006: Mario Williams or Reggie Bush
2005: Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers
2004: Manning
2003: Palmer
2002: Carr
2001: Vick
2000: Brown
1999: Couch, McNabb, or Smith
If you were the Texans what would you? Who would you take? Why? What do you think they will do? Why?
I would draft Clowney and I think that is what the Texans will do. I think when a player this talented comes along you have to take them.
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I think the Texans have a pretty glaring need at QB. The GM commented on Mario Williams working out well a few years back.
If I take the GM at his word I think they will draft Clowney.
If they don't take him I don't know if they will take Bridgewater or Manziel or try and trade down with us or the Jags.
I would take Bridgewater if I were them. If the offer was good enough from someone to move up I would consider it for a few firsts and seconds....but QB is a lot more important than getting a boom/bust pass rusher IMO.
Are you sure about Russell being a consensus #1 pick? I mean that draft had Joe Thomas. Can't believe the Raiders were so sure about that one.
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I like Clowney, but I would take Teddy. They were terrible last year because of quarterback play. But I could also see them taking Bortles. Think it's between Teddy and Bortles,.
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Are you sure about Russell being a consensus #1 pick? I mean that draft had Joe Thomas. Can't believe the Raiders were so sure about that one.
I am pretty sure I am remembering correctly. Al Davis (and Mike Lombardi) were involved.
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Are you sure about Russell being a consensus #1 pick? I mean that draft had Joe Thomas. Can't believe the Raiders were so sure about that one.
That draft literally had everyone. You could throw a dart and land on the #1 position player in that draft most likely.
Calvin Johnson, JT, AP, Patrick Willis, Revis, Eric Weddle, Ryan Kalil, Marshal Yanda
That's over 1/3 of the best players in the league at their position just coming from that draft. I'm not even speaking on the others like Marshawn Lynch, Jon Beason, Zach Miller, Dashon Goldson and Lamar Woodley.
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If I were them I'd try my best to trade down to the 3-6 slot with someone willing to give up a lot. Then I'd take Clowney.
If I had to stick at #1 I'd take Bortles.
I think they're going to take Bortles.
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I think they take Bortles because OBrien likes Big QB's.
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2005 at this time over 2 months before the draft yes the debate was Smith or Rodgers.
But soon after Rodgers was not in that equation. I remember liking Rodgers but the debate ended even for our #3 pick cause Rodgers fell back that far (out of the top 10).
Even in 2012 the media fired up a draft frenzy trying their hardest to make it RG3 taking over Luck as the overall #1 pick.
Just like now. WHO WILL IT BE? Lets write 100 articles on why it could be this guy.
When its always been Bridgewater. There is not one GM changing their TOP 5 board due to the combine numbers and the WOW factor by the media. If the Texans are going to take Clowney - they knew they were a couple of weeks ago.
They got the overall #1 pick and a Franchise QB prospect. Not a hey he threw now Bortles is an over all #1 possibility. That changed the media's mind having them go Oooooo he threw THAT changes things...lol If it did you wouldn't have QBs not throw...:D
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I guess it depends on what they think of Schaub. If they think he's done or close, they'll take a QB, if they think he's still got years ahead of him, I'd guess Clowney.
If I guess what QB, I'd say Johnny Manziel.
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I believe Schaub is a FA??? correct me if I'm wrong...you don't have your QB signed by now or even hints that there is an offer on the table (negotiations) as I have not read one thing about that. He isn't in the equation. If he is signed through 2014...Never Mind 
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I guess it depends on what they think of Schaub. If they think he's done or close, they'll take a QB, if they think he's still got years ahead of him, I'd guess Clowney.
If I guess what QB, I'd say Johnny Manziel.
Agree, they might go Clowney but more likely a QB. My guess is Bortals instead JF. I don't see Johnny being around in 5 years.
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I agree with you and think Clowney goes number one to Houston. They could take a QB but Clowney is the clear #1 at this point, IMHO. Of course they could also opt to take a tackle since they have a need there, but I'd think Clowney or possibly Bortles assuming they stay at #1. Because they have so many needs this is what makes the #1 pick somewhat fuzzy, but Clowney is clearly the top choice (again IMHO) and this is who I think they'll take.
As a side note, this could be good for us if we (meaning the FO) really value Bortles or Teddy because it's likely one of them will be there. I have to believe that Clowney and Robinson or Matthews go in the top three so one of the two QBs is there at four. If they don't value the QB's as highly as some, Sammy could ultimately end up being our pick.
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I think it's Clowney right now by default, and from now until May, they are going to try and convince themselves to take one of the QB's. I think it ends up being Clowney when the draft finally arrives.
They need a QB just like we do. Both teams have new coaches, so I don't think they want to get their era started by forcing a QB into the situation.
Which is why I say let the QB come to you at 4, unless you really love someone that much.
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I guess it depends on what they think of Schaub. If they think he's done or close, they'll take a QB, if they think he's still got years ahead of him, I'd guess Clowney.
If I guess what QB, I'd say Johnny Manziel.
They could also be in the same boat some posters on here are in.. they know they need a QB but aren't in love with any of the big 3.. trade down, or maybe they take Clowny and then target a QB later in the draft..
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I guess it depends on what they think of Schaub. If they think he's done or close, they'll take a QB, if they think he's still got years ahead of him, I'd guess Clowney.
If I guess what QB, I'd say Johnny Manziel.
They could also be in the same boat some posters on here are in.. they know they need a QB but aren't in love with any of the big 3.. trade down, or maybe they take Clowny and then target a QB later in the draft..
As much as I want a QB, if I were able to get a one on one with Farmer, and he told me straight up he doesn't love any of these top QB's, I'd be totally fine with them going BPA at 4. We still have Hoyer in our back pocket, and there is nothing wrong with adding another good player at another position.
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Houston .. Clowney
Rams ... One of the LT's
Jack ... Bortles
Cleve .. ????
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Houston's top 3 needs are:
1. QB
2. QB
3. QB
Look at their roster. That team is stacked, with a giant, gaping hole at the QB position. So really, it's just a question of which of the top 3 QBs they're going to take. With their roster, they're immediately going to want to challenge for the playoffs, and that tells me they're targeting Teddy. For me, they want Bridgewater, and nobody else.
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QB is definitely their biggest need. Obviously it is for us too, but we also have a few more holes than they do...
Going by my "Top 4" thread, If I had to guess, I bet they have Clowney at the top, Bridgewater a very close second, and then some mixture of Robinson/Watkins/Bortles etc...
I do think they would consider trading back a few spots too. Not out of the top ten, but back enough to where they could still land a QB.
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Rams ... One of the LT's
Jack ... Bortles
Cleve .. ????
Flip a coin in this scenario, Teddy or Sammy? It's Sammy if you go BPA, (assuming tackle is not being considered,) it's Teddy if you're feeling pressure to take a QB. Sammy gives you that game changer opposite Gordon, allows you to start Hoyer and take a QB later like Carr, AJ or Jimmy G. All have upside potential. Taking Teddy puts you in the position of "They better get it right", because if Teddy doesn't work out, it's just another blown high first round draft pick.
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So really, it's just a question of which of the top 3 QBs they're going to take. With their roster, they're immediately going to want to challenge for the playoffs, and that tells me they're targeting Teddy. For me, they want Bridgewater, and nobody else.
Those are huge assumptions I'm not willing to make right now. They play Andrew Luck twice a year and having Clowney putting pressure on him opposite J.J. Watt would go a long way toward vying for the division. They value defense and they have shown they can work with a less than a #1 pick at QB.
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Can't help but think it's gonna be Teddy B. As much as Clowney is probably the best overall player, the character concerns are too great to take at #1.
I hope the Texans like Clowney, that puts us in a better place to get our QB and lessens the value of the #2 pick for the Rams IMO for a team looking to trade up for a QB.
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...lessens the value of the #2 pick for the Rams...
I believe you have a valid point there, Memphis... 
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the character concerns are too great to take at #1.
Those concerns are completely overblown in the press and in the minds of those who read those stories. It's highly doubtful, IMHO, that coaches and evaluators are as concerned about it as writers and message board members. It's my belief that his skill, ability, entire body of work, and the fact that he was schemed against his final year weigh more in his favor than a few blown out of proportion stories weigh against him.
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So really, it's just a question of which of the top 3 QBs they're going to take. With their roster, they're immediately going to want to challenge for the playoffs, and that tells me they're targeting Teddy. For me, they want Bridgewater, and nobody else.
Those are huge assumptions I'm not willing to make right now. They play Andrew Luck twice a year and having Clowney putting pressure on him opposite J.J. Watt would go a long way toward vying for the division. They value defense and they have shown they can work with a less than a #1 pick at QB.
You said it yourself, they're gonna need a QB to compete with Luck. You can't just try to do what you did against Manning, because it never worked.
I think focusing on what other teams do in your division is a very bad strategy. Be the best that you can be, not try to be better than other teams in your division in terms of matchups. You will face different teams and styles in the playoffs.
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So if you want to be the best you take the BPA at #1, not a QB with question marks. Clowney & Watt would pose match up problems for everyone, not just the Colts.
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I think alot of this conjecture is the media trying to stir the pot. Teddy Bridgewater is going to be the #1 overall pick and a Texan.
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I believe Schaub is a FA??? correct me if I'm wrong...you don't have your QB signed by now or even hints that there is an offer on the table (negotiations) as I have not read one thing about that. He isn't in the equation. If he is signed through 2014...Never Mind
Doesn't matter. If they like schaub, they'll make the deal happen. If they don't, it doesn't matter if he's a FA or not. They'll go and get someone else in the draft.
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I think alot of this conjecture is the media trying to stir the pot. Teddy Bridgewater is going to be the #1 overall pick and a Texan.
As much as I hate to say this, I agree with you.
People can follow the bouncing ball of media opinions, but Bridgewater has been the #1 QB prospect from day 1. Nothing has changed that.
There really aren't any major question marks when it comes to Bridgewater. Houston needs a QB and if you're going to draft one, Bridgewater is the guy.
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So if you want to be the best you take the BPA at #1, not a QB with question marks. Clowney & Watt would pose match up problems for everyone, not just the Colts.
I want you to think back on every #1 QB that's been drafted this decade. With the exception of Luck, find me one QB without questions marks. There is no such thing as a perfect QB.
It's also silly to act like Clowney doesn't have red flags.
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If you were the Texans what would you? Who would you take? Why? What do you think they will do? Why?
Based on needs/quality I'd take Clowney, as I'm not high enough on any of the QBs to take at #1 overall, and I don't think they go OL at this point. While Clowney has some negatives (lack of work ethic from what I've read), he's a freak and makes JJ even better. (Interestingly, they've drafted 5 DEs the last 3 years). I'd ask Schaub to restructure his contract to make it more friendly and draft someone later)
That being said, I think they go QB. I have Bortles going there. Bill O'Brien and George O'Leary go back a long time and O'Brien will know exactly how he's been coached and will know everything about this kid. As well, I think I read something a while back that someone on the Texans staff was a coach at UCF, and O'Brien's PSU team played against (and lost to) Bortles. Rick Smith doesn't have a history with drafting QBs (only has drafted 1 (7th round) in his tenure, so I have nothing to go off of outside of hunch). I could see Bridgewater because of his skillset and football IQ as well, and Manziel because of his pizzazz and Texas ties.
If they go non-QB in round 1, I can see AJ McCarron or Derek Carr in round 2 going to Houston. For some reason they seem to both be good fits for O'Brien.
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Same thing at the end of the year when I was saying Texans fans should hope they lose to the Jags to get the #1 pick... Bridgewater. Or maybe a boatload of picks from someone who wants the pick, but I would shoot for well above what the draft value guide says. 12/23/2013 Quote:
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About losing for draft position, it's something that reasonable people can differ on. That's especially true when the rewards for doing so aren't as great as they could be (we won't get a top 2 pick no matter what), and maybe even moreso now because the Browns can knock out whatever slim shot the Steelers have of making the playoffs. I still want the earlier picks mind you and one of the other several teams to win so that doesn't affect the playoff picture, but I can understand if others disagree.
But say you are a Texans fan (or you know someone who is, or maybe we have someone on this board who is a Texans fan), do you really want them to win in week 17? If they lose, they are guaranteed the #1 pick. If they win, they probably don't get it. From where I'm sitting that is either Bridgewater or a bevy of picks from a team who wants him.
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So if you want to be the best you take the BPA at #1, not a QB with question marks. Clowney & Watt would pose match up problems for everyone, not just the Colts.
I want you to think back on every #1 QB that's been drafted this decade. With the exception of Luck, find me one QB without questions marks. There is no such thing as a perfect QB.
It's also silly to act like Clowney doesn't have red flags.
It's silly to believe one of these QB's is ranked higher than Clowney, that is what is really silly yet look around.
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So if you want to be the best you take the BPA at #1, not a QB with question marks. Clowney & Watt would pose match up problems for everyone, not just the Colts.
I want you to think back on every #1 QB that's been drafted this decade. With the exception of Luck, find me one QB without questions marks. There is no such thing as a perfect QB.
It's also silly to act like Clowney doesn't have red flags.
Newton, Stafford, Eli Manning, Bradford and of course, Luck. That's 5 out of the last 10 years. All #1 picks overall. And at the time of the draft, all considered to be can't miss. Especially Manning and Bradford and of course Luck. But all were considered to be great picks. With the exception of Bradford, they pretty much have been pretty productive. Even he's been decent.
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Bradford had red flags with his injury history and that has followed him into the NFL. Cam had red flags off the field, but those have not been an issue for him.
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Bradford had red flags with his injury history and that has followed him into the NFL. Cam had red flags off the field, but those have not been an issue for him.
I thought Cam answered a lot of questions last year about his game. He looked way more comfortable in the pocket, it looks like his throwing motion got fixed a little bit. I think he's got a chance to be something special in this league.
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Doesn't matter.
??? Thought you were talking about they have Schaub...in some thought process. It does matter cause I don't think they have Schaub for the reasons stated. Just thought I would bring that up (and asked if I was incorrect) cause you based some thought on the fact the Texans have Schaub...come March 11th??? They don't.
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I would draft Clowney and I think that is what the Texans will do. I think when a player this talented comes along you have to take them.
For the Texans, I think that would be the smart thing to do. What they will do is something only the Texans front office really knows.
I don't know if the Texans didn't already have a very good defense if they would go that route, but they will probably do so to improve it even more. I don't know that Clowney would be or should be the pick if JJ Watt isn't there - but he is and they should build off that.
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How is the Texans oline?
I don't know. Wondering if Robinson or Matthews might be in their thought process. If they are considering drafting a LT, then moving down becomes much more of a possibility.
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After reading the draft thoughts after the combine, I think they now go Clowney.
It seems there is some questions about size and dependability with 2 of the QB's.
I thought Manziel, being a Texas guy they would jump all over that for Fans and marketing. But, after reading about his combine numbers being not what was promised, I think they go Clowney or Bortles. I want Bortles so I hope they do take Clowney. Bridgewater is another RGIII waiting to get hurt. If Bortles is gone then we go Sammy.
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