Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
P
PitDAWG Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
The NFL has moved a Super Bowl out of Arizona before over civil rights issues, and if new anti-gay legislation becomes law, the league will have another decision to make

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has until Saturday to either veto, sign or let become law a bill that would allow businesses in her state to deny service to lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered people based on the religious beliefs of the business owner. The National Football League is among those watching closely.

Super Bowl XLIX is scheduled for next February 1 at the University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale. The NFL has stopped short of saying the game could be moved elsewhere if the legislation becomes law, but the league has moved a Super Bowl out of Arizona before, and the implicit threat floats invisibly but menacingly in the desert sky.

The controversy comes as the NFL is readying to welcome its first openly gay player in Michael Sam, the Missouri linebacker who came out this month, and just as Jason Collins played his first game for the NBA's Brooklyn Nets as the first openly gay active player in the nation's four major sports leagues.

"The NFL is putting a lot of pressure on the governor (behind the scenes) to veto the bill, from what I can tell," Sam's public relations representative, Howard Bragman, told USA TODAY Sports. "I know the host committee has said, 'Veto it.' And I know the Arizona Cardinals have said, 'Veto it.' I know the NFL is very concerned and watching this very closely."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said by email: "Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness, and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other improper standard. We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time."

Comment from others is plentiful. Delaware Gov. Jack Markell said the NFL should consider moving the game if the bill becomes law. The Arizona Super Bowl Host Committee said passage of the bill would "deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential." And Wade Davis, a gay former NFL player who is executive director of the LGBT activist group You Can Play, said he also hopes that the NFL will move the game should the bill become law.

"You know why?" Davis said. "Because let's say that Michael Sam is on the team that's going to the Super Bowl – what is he supposed to do? Not go around and eat? And there are other people in the front office who may have to work in Arizona for the Super Bowl. But I'm a firm believer that the NFL's going to do the right thing."

Asked if the NFL should suspend Cardinals home games if the bill becomes law, Davis said, "I don't know. I would hope that they would."

"But I think that we also have to do a good job of not just pointing the finger at the NFL," he said. "There's a baseball team there. There's a basketball team there. There are corporations there. We should put pressure on Coke and Pepsi and everyone and not just expect the NFL, as one separate entity, to do all the heavy lifting."

The potential collision between state politics and the National Football League comes in the form of SB 1062. (SB stands for Senate Bill, not Super Bowl.) The bill comes out of a New Mexico legal battle involving a wedding photographer who told a lesbian couple that she would not photograph their commitment ceremony in 2006 because it clashed with her religious beliefs. The photographer was sued for sexual-orientation discrimination and lost in the New Mexico Supreme Court.

The Arizona bill was written by the conservative-advocacy group Center for Arizona Policy and the Christian legal organization Alliance Defending Freedom. The bill would allow individuals to use religious beliefs as a defense against lawsuits and supporters say it would tweak existing state religious-freedom laws intended to ensure that individuals and business owners are not forced to go against their own beliefs.

Many prominent leaders in the Arizona business community oppose the bill. They sent a letter to Brewer urging her to veto the bill because it would expose businesses to a higher risk of lawsuits and hurt efforts to attract workers.

"The legislation is also already clearly having a negative effect on our tourism industry, one of the largest sectors of the economy," said the letter signed by presidents of several business groups, including the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

ANOTHER ARIZONA DISPUTE

It's back to the future for Arizona. In 1990, then-NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue threatened to move the 1993 Super Bowl out of Arizona if the state refused to recognize Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Voters turned thumbs down on the holiday and the NFL moved the 1993 Super Bowl to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.

Arizona subsequently voted to recognize MLK Day in 1992 and the 1996 Super Bowl was played in Tempe's Sun Devil Stadium.

In that case, the NFL had three years lead time to relocate the Super Bowl from Arizona. The coming Super Bowl is about 11 months away. Is that enough time to make a switch should the NFL choose to do so?

Former NFL executive Jim Steeg, director of the Super Bowl for 26 years, thinks it is. "If we want, anything can be done," he said, "given what it is."

When the events of 9/11 pushed the Super Bowl back a week after the 2001 season, Super Bowl host New Orleans had a conflict because of a national automobile dealers convention. Steeg said the NFL considered moving the game to Miami with talks as late as October – "so that gave us 120 days to try to put that together" – before the auto dealers swapped dates with the NFL.

Steeg said he thinks Tagliabue's threat to move the game caused some Arizona voters to vote against the holiday. "It's a unique base of people," Steeg said. "They're the wild West. And they don't want to be told what to do."

He thinks Arizona voters changed their minds by 1992 because "they saw all the impact of the Super Bowl. And it wasn't just the Super Bowl, it was all the businesses were scared. Because their primary business is hospitality and travel and entertainment. When conventions started pulling out, it was a whole other thing."

The current situation differs as it is a senate bill rather than a public referendum. And the clock will tick all week as Brewer decides what to do.

PRESSURE 'ON MANY LEVELS'

Bragman, whose firm Fifteen Minutes represented Sam at the NFL scouting combine, said among the factors that have energized the gay community of late are the Russian anti-gay laws that were one of the central controversies of the Sochi Games.

"If the governor signs this bill, the NFL would be under tremendous pressure to move this on many, many levels," Bragman said. "I just hope the governor is wise enough to see that this is a really unfortunate bill, a really sad precedent."

You Can Play is dedicated to taking homophobia out of sports. One of its co-founders is Philadelphia Flyers scout Patrick Burke, son of Brian Burke, president of hockey operations for the Calgary Flames. Davis is You Can Play's executive director.

"What excites me is that the NFL's already issued a statement that they're keeping a close eyeball on this," Davis said while citing the Super Bowl that was moved out of Arizona in the 1990s. "So, there's a precedent there, and the NFL understands it's important in playing a role in the idea of supporting human rights. It's really exciting to be a family member of the NFL and to be attached to an organization that I really believe takes this seriously."

The NFL partners with You Can Play on its "High Five Initiative," through which pro athletes visit LGBT youth organizations.

Davis said it will take "a groundswell of corporations and local businesses," not just the NFL and the promise of a Super Bowl, "to push Jan Brewer to make sure that legislation is not enacted."

He said the Arizona bill, and others under consideration in other states, are not all that surprising in the push and pull of history.

"For some reason, it's a part of our culture that if we have progress in one direction, there's a regression in another," Davis said. "What I find is that we really have a tough time as a country just seeing humanity and seeing that everyone in this country is each other's mirror and they reflect back on ourselves.

"If I look at you, I will see more alike than I will see different in you. I think we just haven't done a good job in society of seeing each other as brothers and sisters."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl...league/5821799/


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
N
Legend
Offline
Legend
N
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Yaaayyyy. We get to keep unconstitutional legislature in the news even longer. IF it gets passed and rubber stamped by the govenor (and I doubt it does), then it'll immediately be knocked down by the courts. This is silly to even discuss.


#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
C
~
Legend
Offline
~
Legend
C
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
That'd make sense if Arizona was a state built on being rational.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
N
Legend
Offline
Legend
N
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Unconstitutional laws cannot be upheld by States just because they want them to. Like I said, I doubt this gets this far, but, if it does, then it'd get knocked down by the courts (federal if necessary) very quickly.

Last edited by no_logo_required; 02/26/14 07:20 PM.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
I wonder why they call it "anti-gay" legislation and not "pro-religious expression" legislation...

I think it would be absolutely hilarious if they got this worked out and then 2 weeks before the super bowl the state of Arizona told the NFL they could not have the super bowl there because the Redskins won the NFC... and it's offensive.


yebat' Putin
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
P
PitDAWG Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
With Arizona's record on MLK Day and now this? I doubt Arizona cares much about the name Redskins. Would seem kind of hypocritical wouldn't it?



But hey, states have the same rights as business does. The state doesn't have to let the Super Bowl be held there any more than the NFL has to hold it there. But that would be funny. The NFL would make the same money no matter where they hold it and Arizona would be shooting itself in the foot.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
C
~
Legend
Offline
~
Legend
C
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
Quote:

Unconstitutional laws cannot be upheld by States just because they want them to. Like I said, I doubt this gets this far, but, if it does, then it'd get knocked down by the courts (federal if necessary) very quickly.




Yes they can. And the appeals process to get to the federal court is a long and winding one. For example Arizona passed a law that banned ethnic studies in high schools 3 or so years ago and today it just got ruled on by a circuit court. The court isn't going to save us from tyrants.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Quote:

With Arizona's record on MLK Day and now this? I doubt Arizona cares much about the name Redskins. Would seem kind of hypocritical wouldn't it?



Of course it would be hypocritical.. that was kind of the point.. the NFL wants to outlaw the N word and stand up for gay rights but support the name "Redskins"...

Quote:

The state doesn't have to let the Super Bowl be held there any more than the NFL has to hold it there. But that would be funny. The NFL would make the same money no matter where they hold it and Arizona would be shooting itself in the foot.



For all of the planning that goes into a super bowl, to have to change locations 2 weeks before it's played would be a disaster of epic proportions for the NFL. The game might end up looking the same on television and they would still make the TV revenue but it would be a disaster in every other way.


yebat' Putin
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
P
PitDAWG Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
I believe if the truth was really known, the NFL probably doesn't "support" the name Redskins. I just don't believe they want to buck one of their owners. But essentially it is the same thing.

You're probably right about changing the Super Bowl on 2 weeks notice. It would be a logistics nightmare. I still believe when the smoke settled, the NFL would come out on top from the PR standpoint, Arizona would look foolish, the NFL would still make hundreds of millions of dollar and Arizona would lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
I agree with all of that...


yebat' Putin
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Brewer vetoed it.


#GMSTRONG
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,948
Likes: 3
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,948
Likes: 3
Ahhh Arizona, the "south" of the west


President - Fort Collins Browns Backers
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Arizona could lose over 500 mil over this. That's how much they made in 2008.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16
A
Rookie
Offline
Rookie
A
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16
As a resident of Phoenix, AZ, I would be very upset if we lost the superbowl over this ridiculous bill.

That line in the article about Michael Sam is crazy though, it's not like every restaurant in the city is gonna stop serving gays if that bill did pass.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,398
Likes: 280
Yea I understood being against this on a moral basis but from a practical business standpoint, I doubt the passage of this bill would even register a blip on the economic radar......


yebat' Putin
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
If these people won't sell based on religious reasons they need to put their money where their mouth is. If someone is a different denomination then don't sell to them. There is significant differences between Methodists, Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist and Pentecostal churches. They would never do that because they'd go broke within a week.

Will they sell to people that are divorced or obese (gluttony)? How about people that have had premarital sex?

A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!


You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
P
PitDAWG Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.




And customers and other businesses have a right not to do business with you. It seems that in our current economy making yourself a public display by legislation that "targets" a certain group only helps insure your economic hardships moving forward.

But hey, if having a business fail is your goal, this avenue may be the perfect path for you.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!




Never said I favor it. I would actually boycott a business that choose to discriminate. My point isn't that it's morally ok(I don't think it is), I just think they should have the right to make that decision as I think I should have the right to not do business with them for making that decision.

A liberal who is in favor of gov't telling a private citizen how to live their life. WOW I AM SHOCKED!!

A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.




And customers and other businesses have a right not to do business with you. It seems that in our current economy making yourself a public display by legislation that "targets" a certain group only helps insure your economic hardships moving forward.

But hey, if having a business fail is your goal, this avenue may be the perfect path for you.




This I agree with. I never said discriminating for any reason would be good for your business. I would bet most businesses that did discriminate would go under within a year. That's not my point. If you choose to not do business with a certain group, fine, but you better know the possible results of these actions.

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 12,225
Likes: 590
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 12,225
Likes: 590
Doesn't just about every business with a store-front have a sign above the register saying they reserve the right to refuse to do business with anyone they choose?


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Quote:

Doesn't just about every business with a store-front have a sign above the register saying they reserve the right to refuse to do business with anyone they choose?




That's what I thought ... Are we now forcing businesses to serve whoever shows up with whatever request they might have? While I don't agree with the bill, as it's specifically discriminating against a specific group ... the reason they made it was because of that wedding cake incident I believe.

Where exactly do you draw the line? Does a business have to acquiesce to any request a customer might have, regardless of moral beliefs?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!




Never said I favor it. I would actually boycott a business that choose to discriminate. My point isn't that it's morally ok(I don't think it is), I just think they should have the right to make that decision as I think I should have the right to not do business with them for making that decision.

A liberal who is in favor of gov't telling a private citizen how to live their life. WOW I AM SHOCKED!!


When did I ever say I was a liberal??


You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,081
Likes: 133
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,081
Likes: 133
Quote:

Doesn't just about every business with a store-front have a sign above the register saying they reserve the right to refuse to do business with anyone they choose?




Usually, it reads something to the effect of "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service" or something to that effect. Doesn't actually mean much unless it's a restaurant. I'd bet they'd serve those people if it was a surfing supply shop LOL


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!




Never said I favor it. I would actually boycott a business that choose to discriminate. My point isn't that it's morally ok(I don't think it is), I just think they should have the right to make that decision as I think I should have the right to not do business with them for making that decision.

A liberal who is in favor of gov't telling a private citizen how to live their life. WOW I AM SHOCKED!!


When did I ever say I was a liberal??




Seeing as how you took a shot at the Tea Party and said they support discrimination, that is pretty much the liberal line.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
C
~
Legend
Offline
~
Legend
C
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
But businesses are not private citizens.

A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Are the owners not private citizens? Therefore you are forcing a private citizen to provide service to someone that he doesn't want to.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
C
~
Legend
Offline
~
Legend
C
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 18,204
The owners are not the business though.

A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Quote:

The owners are not the business though.




I'll use Ted as an example. He is a self-employed painter. By telling him he has to paint for anybody who asks him to means you are forcing an individual to provide a service to someone he may not want to.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!




Never said I favor it. I would actually boycott a business that choose to discriminate. My point isn't that it's morally ok(I don't think it is), I just think they should have the right to make that decision as I think I should have the right to not do business with them for making that decision.

A liberal who is in favor of gov't telling a private citizen how to live their life. WOW I AM SHOCKED!!


When did I ever say I was a liberal??




Seeing as how you took a shot at the Tea Party and said they support discrimination, that is pretty much the liberal line.


No, see I have my own brain and can think for myself. I dont follow a party line.I actually am a registered Republican and cant stand the Tea Party and their multitude of bigots.


You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 49,963
Likes: 352
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 49,963
Likes: 352
I am curious why you see the Tea Party, the movement I most identify with out of any organized major political group currently operating in America, as a bunch of "mindless bigots"?

I prefer lower taxes and smaller government. That is damn near the entirety of the Tea Party message. What is the part you find to be "bigoted"?


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,426
Likes: 15
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,426
Likes: 15
I'm with ya Town ; I don't understand the thinking by , as it seems , many ?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,349
Quote:



I prefer lower taxes and smaller government. That is damn near the entirety of the Tea Party message.


Me too, maybe the Tea Party should stick to that instead of working to pass legislation to promote discrimination.

Also, I said mindless about anybody, who supports any political party as the political higher power


You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

My libertarian view on this is pretty simple. If you own a private business you should be able to decide who to employ and/or serve for whatever reason you want.


A Tea Party member who is in favor of discrimination??

WOW I AM SHOCKED!!




Never said I favor it. I would actually boycott a business that choose to discriminate. My point isn't that it's morally ok(I don't think it is), I just think they should have the right to make that decision as I think I should have the right to not do business with them for making that decision.

A liberal who is in favor of gov't telling a private citizen how to live their life. WOW I AM SHOCKED!!


When did I ever say I was a liberal??




Seeing as how you took a shot at the Tea Party and said they support discrimination, that is pretty much the liberal line.


No, see I have my own brain and can think for myself. I dont follow a party line.I actually am a registered Republican and cant stand the Tea Party and their multitude of bigots.




Oh so you're a McCain republican. That's even worse. You want big gov't to hold your hand just like the libs, but you do it in the name of being "conservative" which runs the name of conservative(which used to mean wanting small gov't) into the mud as being no different than the dems.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
P
PDR Offline
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
I don't really see the basis for chest thumping or declaring what's right or wrong.

The Tea Party has no more leg to stand on than any other group when it comes to smaller government or less spending.

They have as much blood in their hands as anyone else when it comes to that.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 49,963
Likes: 352
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 49,963
Likes: 352
Quote:

Quote:



I prefer lower taxes and smaller government. That is damn near the entirety of the Tea Party message.


Me too, maybe the Tea Party should stick to that instead of working to pass legislation to promote discrimination.

Also, I said mindless about anybody, who supports any political party as the political higher power




How many Tea Party members sponsored or voted for this legislation? I'm just curious. Can you tell me who sponsored and/or wrote the proposed law?


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643
A
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
A
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643
Its easier to blindly flail

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,081
Likes: 133
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,081
Likes: 133
Just clicking,, haven't read the whole thread so you all probably know this, but the Governor of Arizona Vetoed the bill....


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
P
PitDAWG Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 67,557
Likes: 1328
j/c

The Tea Party gets its reputation because of the fringe element that gets the most press. Just as with all parties.

I don't believe people like Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin actually represent the bulk of the Tea Party. The media portrayal isn't a reflection of reality. And that street travels in both directions.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... If Arizona bill becomes law, will NFL move Super Bowl?

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5