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Good news.
If anything, at 27yo, he should be offered a NEW contract. Maybe try to cut off 1-2mil/year, but give him more years and some guaranteed money again. It's be a win-win for both sides imho. As dependable and steady as Rubin has been, you can trust him to not let it influence his dedication and effort.
I want him to retire a Brown, many years from now.
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Well, there you have it. The depth remains in tact.
good news, this is his last year on his contract right? Might as well let me play it out... we can afford it this year, will keep a good player here, avoid dead cap $ and another hole in roster.
who knows he might stud out in MP defense.
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He has played 16 games in each year from 2009-2011, 13 in 2012, and 14 last year. That means that he's missed 5 games in 5 years.
For a DL, that's not bad.
Phil Taylor has played 16, 8, and 15 in his 3 seasons. Billy Winn missed a bunch of games with injury last year. John Hughes missed the final game of the season. These big guys on the DL get beat up . That's why depth is so vitally important.
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He has played 16 games in each year from 2009-2011, 13 in 2012, and 14 last year. That means that he's missed 5 games in 5 years.
For a DL, that's not bad.
Phil Taylor has played 16, 8, and 15 in his 3 seasons. Billy Winn missed a bunch of games with injury last year. John Hughes missed the final game of the season. These big guys on the DL get beat up . That's why depth is so vitally important.
did not mean missing games. but the calf injury the last 2 years have slowed him down a bit. jmo ofcourse
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And yet he still makes plays all over the field, from sideline to sideline, and back to LB depth. he is a great player, period. He makes plays all ovcer the field from the DE position. There are not too many 330# DE who can do that.
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And yet he still makes plays all over the field, from sideline to sideline, and back to LB depth. he is a great player, period. He makes plays all ovcer the field from the DE position. There are not too many 330# DE who can do that.
and that's why I called him our best DL player. don't have to sell me on rubin but this is a new coach and rubin has to sell himself to them I think to get new contract.
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IMO, Rubin is a great leader. People love DQ, but Rubin has had a good influence on Taylor and probably others. His relentless pursuit is his way of leading by example. These type of veterans are the kind you want around, great work ethic with no quit.
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This is why the Browns lose...the management wants to change coaches and the new coach has no idea what he has and starts trying to implement his system. our defense was our best team and we had leadership. We were finally stopping the run with Taylor and Rubin and allowing DQ to make tackles.
When we lose part of what works we go backward...the reason the Browns have had 2 winning seasons in 15 years. OUCH!
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IMO, Rubin is a great leader. People love DQ, but Rubin has had a good influence on Taylor and probably others. His relentless pursuit is his way of leading by example. These type of veterans are the kind you want around, great work ethic with no quit.
It was noted in the article the other day that, and I won't quote exactly, but Armonty Bryant was saying how Big Rube comes in before practice, asks him how he is doing and what does he want to work on before practice to bette r himself.
Great leader and asset both on field, and in lockerroom. And face it, he's likely played all techniques as linemen and in real-time games his NFL career here lol.
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“Every day Big Rube is asking me how I’m doing and what do I want to work on before practice to make me better?” Bryant said late in his rookie season. “He’s been a great resource.”
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/cleveland_browns_would_make_a.html
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Just want you to remember that the reports of Rubin didn't turn out to be true. It was just Bozos throwing some Mud on us Browns hoping it would stick.
Rubin is a great player to have on your team. I'm glad to be reading that Pettine recognizes this.
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I thought that was crap. Rubin is a good player who still has years left and appears to be pretty healthy...
With all that cap space, especially with the extra created by DQ's departure and now maybe the departure of Ward, it just didn't make sense.
I'm a big fan of his.
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From everything I've heard and seen about Pettine's defensive system...we're totally and completely SCREWED. As in royally screwed. Why do you ask? Because we don't have ANY QUALITY LINEBACKERS!!! My God in heaven. Look at our team and someone tell me who in the heck is worth a pound of yellow snow in December? Nobody. Mingo was more than likely a wasted pick now that we've decided to BRILLIANTLY change our defense AGAIN. Does anybody really think that Mingo can set the edge? No...no he can't. He was supposed to be a speed rusher and get to the QB, and he wasn't that great at that. Now, we're going to ask him to do something that he doesn't know how to do AND that he's not BUILT to do.
The only thing that Mingo has going for him is that he's a very hard worker. Whenever somebody is willing to do the work ,they have a chance to make it. Mingo is intelligent and works hard, so maybe...just maybe he can bulk up and turn into the monster we need him to be. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Craig Robertson? Goodbye.
Paul Kruger? Eh...over-paid and will be gone next year.
Jackson is now gone...the ONLY GUY ON THE TEAM THAT CAN PLAY LINEBACKER.
Can anyone...anyone please tell me who is going to play linebacker? I realize that we will be drafting at least one, but there aren't any linebackers in free agency that worth a crap, so are we going to be depending on ROOKIES to lead our defense? LOL. Great plan guys!!!
We'll be running a hybrid 4-3 defense. As of right now, we have essentially ZERO LINEBACKERS. I can't wait to see how this shakes out. We have Kruger and Mingo, two outside speed rushers....and what in the hell will they be doing next year??
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I actually like our OLB corps quite a bit.
I think that Sheard will prove to be a better OLB than DE.
I like Groves as a situational pass rusher. Last year he got hurt and wasn't able to play much, but in very limited duty he had 2 sacks, 4 tackles, 3 of which were for loss. He just needs to stay healthy this year.
Mingo is a developmental guy, but man, look at his tackle for loss stats. He led the team in tackles for loss. His problem is learning when to go for that play, and when to play it a little safer and just make the play, instead of allowing a big play. He needs to get stronger, and I think that he can, but he has talent and determination. Let's not forget that he missed much of training camp last year.
Kruger is probably our most complete OLB. He sets the edge in the run game better than any OLB we have had since the team came back in 1999. I want to see him improve from that 4.5 sack number, and I think that he can. Regardless, though, he was the most complete LB we had on the field last year.
We really need help at ILB, but we did anyway. DQ is not a 3-4 ILB, though he did soldier along quite courageously. However, he is not able to get off blocks at all. He does not make many impact plays at all. 141 tackles, and 1 for a loss. 1.5 sacks. He makes plays, but only on his own side of the DL. He is a sure tackler, but often well downfield. I want a LB who can get up and take on (and defeat) a block to make impact plays. That's not DQ. He's a quality player, but not as good as some think he is.
I suspect that we will wind up using one of our 1st round picks on an ILB .... and maybe a 3rd as well. There will be growing oains, but at least we'll be growing. Who knows who Pettine might like in free agency as a candidate as well. I think it comes back to what Pettine said yesterday, about how a bad fit at a bargain price isn't a value ..... and a bad fit at a premium price ...... well ...... that's even worse.
I will be curious to see where DQ winds up, and for what kind of contract. I doubt it will be anything approaching what we were going to pay him. He is not subject to the rules governing regular free agents, so if a team wanted to sign him, they could today. (and not wait till the 10th or 11th, whichever it is, when the new league year starts and free agency opens) So far I have heard of visits, but no offers.
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We'll be running a hybrid 4-3 defense. As of right now, we have essentially ZERO LINEBACKERS. I can't wait to see how this shakes out. We have Kruger and Mingo, two outside speed rushers....and what in the hell will they be doing next year??
There has been no report that we will run a 43. The only thing that I've heard is the word hybrid. While we will use multiple front's our base depends on what the coaching staff deems best. During Pettines career he has usually had a 3-4 base(Baltimore swapped occasionally if I remember right). He ran a 43 in Buffalo because of Mario. I'd be very surprised if we ran a 43 here. Because of the continuity, his belief in Mingo as an OLB, his preference of the 34 and lack of coverage linebackers as you stated.
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I would think that releasing DQ tell us that we'll predominantly be a 3-4 defense. DQ is far better suited to a 4-3 defense, and if we were going to run that kind of defense, I think that we would have considered keeping him.
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I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of your post and jg's.
Our OLBers are fine. Our ILBers look like crap right now.
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I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of your post and jg's.
Our OLBers are fine. Our ILBers look like crap right now.
I agree that ILB is really a scary proposition right now.
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Good thing it is only March 4th.
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You are so cool.
Did you happen to notice these words in my initial reply to YTown: "....right now." Did it ever cross your mind that I knew there was time left?
I was responding to two threads that had vastly different opinions. I could have sworn that I even pointed that out. YTown got what I was saying. I wasn't insulting anyone.
But, of course, you had to pipe in and show how superior you are and how dumb I am. You could be a really good poster and you are at times, but man, you have some Daman in you.
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Calm down.
I said the "March 4th" comment because I am seriously glad that it is only March 4th and there is still plenty of time to fill holes.
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I am calm. I was just saying I really do know it is March 4th. LOL
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fwiw....
I feel like you read into things too much and maybe see things too negatively.
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Looks like he's signed with the Colts according to Irsay. He really has a thing for Browns players doesnt he? 
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Do you think if they plugged DQ at RB, they'd get more production compared to Trent?  EDIT Doesn't free agency start the 11th? I thought teams weren't even allowed to talk to other players until then?
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4 years, 22 million with 11 guaranteed. And I don't think that applies to players that were released; could be wrong though.
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Hey, at least DQ gets ONE game at First Energy this season. LINK
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I believe you are right, the 11th is the date for FA negotiations, if you are cut you can begin negotiating right away.. which is why what the Browns did was pretty cool for DQ, allowing him to get out ahead of the FA rush.. (plus the Browns saved some cash)..
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Doesn't free agency start the 11th? I thought teams weren't even allowed to talk to other players until then?
DQ was released so he's free to sign anywhere.
EDIT: Oh,, and I should say I couldn't be happier for DQ.. Reunited with his former HC in Chud.
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4 years 22mil, 11 guaranteed? Consider me shocked. That's WAY too much imho and it could really, really hurt us negotiating with other ILBs. Irsay is 
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Consider me shocked. That's WAY too much imho and it could really, really hurt us negotiating with other ILBs.
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$5.5 mil per is not too much for a player like Jackson. That puts him just above Curtis Lofton, AJ Hawk, and Stephen Tulloch.
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I still think DQ has a good season or two left in him, I would have been OK with that if we brought him back at that rate...
Happy for him though. Glad he's found a new team.
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Consider me shocked. That's WAY too much imho and it could really, really hurt us negotiating with other ILBs.
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$5.5 mil per is not too much for a player like Jackson. That puts him just above Curtis Lofton, AJ Hawk, and Stephen Tulloch.
I agree, and some people don't get it and seem stuck in a old way of thinking. The cap keeps going up and teams aren't handing out $40-$50 million contracts to rookies anymore. The money is being spent where it was designed to be spent....on veteran players. It's very possible a guy like Mack gets a $40+ million 4 year deal.
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I get it Peen, but DQ is coming off a bad season, has proven to be worse in the 3-4 than 4-3 and is over 30yo...
Just last FA Dansby got 2mil for one season only and pretty solid CB2 got barely 3-5mil/season or even less (Munnerlyn).
Last offseason was VERY strange and some agents already hinted that there was some "collusion" though I'm not sure how teams who are bidding against each other can play this through.
Looks like this FA the prices will go way up again. Sucks for us. Wish we would have done more 12 months ago....oh well.
Then again, the Colts were the same team that traded a 1st for TRich and overpaid some mediocre backup OLB to the tune of 4mil/season (Walden) even last offseason.
As long as I don't see more of those deals around the league, my money is on the Colts FO being VERY clueless.
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j/c... We're SAVED! Browns tender inside linebacker Craig Robertson as exclusive-rights free agent By NATE ULRICH Published: March 6, 2014 The Browns have extended a contract tender to inside linebacker Craig Robertson as an exclusive-rights free agent, a team spokesman confirmed. Exclusive-rights free agents are players with fewer than three accrued seasons. They don’t have negotiating power and must stay with a team if they’re tendered. So Robertson will return to the Browns for the 2014 season after serving as a full-time starter last year. According to the collective bargaining agreement, his salary for the upcoming season will be $570,000, and he’ll become a restricted free agent next year. Robertson, 26, started the 14 games in which he appeared last season and missed the other two with a sprained knee. Despite ex-Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton’s hopes that Robertson would prove to be his “ace in the hole,” he struggled. ProFootballFocus.com ranked Robertson 52nd out of 55 inside linebackers last season. The website’s ratings placed him 48th against the run and a league-worst 52nd in coverage. The Browns might try to acquire an upgrade over Robertson, but at the very least, he should provide depth. The team is in dire need of inside linebackers after cutting its other starter, defensive captain D’Qwell Jackson, last week after the two sides couldn’t agree on a restructured contract. Jackson struck a deal today to join the Indianapolis Colts. Last season, the 6-foot-1, 234-pound Robertson ranked fourth on the team with a career-high 89 tackles, including three sacks, to go along with an interception, three passes defensed, a forced fumble and a recovery. After Robertson’s career at the University of North Texas ended in 2010, he didn’t join an NFL team until the Browns signed him to their practice squad for the final two weeks of the 2011 season. In 2012, he started three games and received ample playing time in sub packages before becoming a regular in the starting lineup last year.
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Good for Jackson. He shouldn't be getting paid that much though.
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