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I don't know about 10%, but it was $10 million more than expected.
That doesn't change the fact that the Colts have been overpaying for average players for years.
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J/C .....
Considering DQ was on course to make what .... $4 million bonus and $6 million salary ...... so 4 years and $22 million seems like a pittance by comparison.
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I don't know about 10%, but it was $10 million more than expected.
That doesn't change the fact that the Colts have been overpaying for average players for years.
My bad, I thought it was $135M but it's $133M.
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I agree. I was expecting DQ to have to go and get himself a Dansby contract. He definitely can thank Farmer for cutting him a week before FA opens so that he has a captive marketplace. Glad he found a good landing spot for himself.
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Roberston struggled so incredibly bad chasing big fat TEs and etc, and often got smoked by them. He's a liability, not sure what this is really all about. Horton talked him up big time too, but on-field he struggled and he struggled against the run too.
Heh... depth?
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It just shows you how bad we were at Linebacker last season when Robertson was covering Reggie Bush....
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I don't know he was always...step by step with the TE/RB he was covering...unfortunately it was with his Shadow 3-5 yards back... 
He did seem to be a step away from decent coverage - but all the time behind and chasing? Not the guy I wanted kept but lets hope he is knocked down a bit from the depth charts so that we are looking at it as improving the bottom of our barrel not as a starter???
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I'm still way skeptical of Robertson, but I think it was a decent move to extend him considering the cost and he will be an RFA next year. We definitely need help at ILB and if he has an improved year, it puts us in a good spot.
I remember when everyone on the official board was hyping Heckert's tryout group at LB...JMJ, Robertson, Fort, etc. Yuck! Hopefully Robertson pans out.
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At the very least Robertson is familiar with Tabor and what he wants to do on special teams. We need guys like that on the roster during training camp.
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I don't know he was always...step by step with the TE/RB he was covering...unfortunately it was with his Shadow 3-5 yards back...
 good one bro... but I agree, hopefully it's a depth move.
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Jackson did not have a bad year. He played well. Wouldn't he have been paid quite a bit more than that if we had honored that crazy contract that Heckert gave him? Weren't you one of the guys who was agreeing w/Grossi and bad-mouthing Banner for thinking about cutting DQ? 
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It just shows you how bad we were at Linebacker last season when Robertson was covering Reggie Bush....
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Roberston struggled so incredibly bad chasing big fat TEs and etc, and often got smoked by them. He's a liability, not sure what this is really all about. Horton talked him up big time too, but on-field he struggled and he struggled against the run too.
I do think that Robertson struggled some in coverage, but the guy was put into some awful positions. Covering Reggie Bush the entire game when he is running across the freaking field. Which LBer in the world would be able to handle that assignment?
Robertston was put into a lot of difficult situations because our freaking SS sucks butt at covering people. We rarely ask him to even attempt it because he stinks at it so bad. Thus, our LBers are often put in unfavorable positions. Additionally, our pass rush suffers because we then have to drop another LBer to take over Robertson's responsibilities.
There are all kinds of safeties that can play the run and close to the LOS. They are easily replaced. Guys who can cover a quarter of the deep field while also being able to cover TEs and RBs are much harder to find.
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Are you trying to insinuate that Robertson is faster and better in coverage than TJ?
Seriously?
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Weren't you one of the guys who was agreeing w/Grossi and bad-mouthing Banner for thinking about cutting DQ?
The firestarer at it again, lol Running around every thread and screaming "agenda !!!"
No, I actually was "one of the guys" on here that said that he'd get cut this offseason. Multiple times. I said 2013 would be probably his last as a Brown considering his contract. I think I even said it last preseason, but for sure during his rather poor season.
I wanted them to approach him for a paycut. Farmer did that, but he wanted more $$ or wanted to leave anyway. Looks like he got both.
I'd offer that same contract to Dansby, maybe he bites
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Not insinuating anything.
Never said he was faster.
He obviously was better in coverage or we would have never put him in so many unfavorable situations.
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Because it's all TJ Ward's fault, haven't you got the memo? Of course DQ, who had a "good season" is absolved of everything. Why didn't he cover RBs? You guessed right, because it's Tj Ward's fault I posted basic scheme articles explaining what everyone knows who knows a little bit about the game: that in most basic schemes the LBs cover the RBs our of the backfield and the SS coves the TE....but in Cleveland the SS has to cover everyone and whoever beats you: it's Ward's fault. Makes sense, doesn't it?  Mr ex-scout, coach and US president whiffed badly on a player evaluation and since runs his mouth, nothing really new here. Next...
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He obviously was better in coverage or we would have never put him in so many unfavorable situations.
Seriously.
We simply disagree here. ILB's are often used in coverage. We just didn't have any that can cover. I believe the scheme caused a lot of mismatches because we didn't have the players to fit the scheme.
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Pit, I am NOT saying that ILBers don't have coverage responsibilities. They do. They are asked to cover all the time. And I have admitted that Robertson did struggle in coverages. I am NOT saying it was ALL Ward's fault.
What I am saying is that because I do understand what coverages look like, we put an inordinate amount of pressure on our LBers to cover. I am also saying that it was evident that Ward was not asked to provide coverage in areas where other SS's are asked to.
I know you guys get upset when I criticize Ward and I am trying to ease up on my feelings about his game, but it does bug me when other guys are being unfairly criticized due to Ward's shortcomings.
I will say that there was one game where Ward was really used in covering a guy one-on-one quite a bit. That was the New England game and he covered Gronk a lot that game. He actually did a great job in that particular game. No, I am not talking about taking Gronk out, but instead, I am talking about that he had pretty tight coverage on the majority of routes where he was involved in the coverage.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that Ward has good coverage skills. And I certainly don't mind you pointing that out. If Ward doesn't return I believe that will be the biggest factor as to the reasoning of it.
I don't however believe that Robertson was a better coverage guy than Ward. Was he put in that position? Yes quite often he was. But I believe it may very well have been because Ward was much better covering the run game than Robertson being better in pass coverage.
It seems the only place we really disagree is why Robertson was put in coverage so much. I believe it was because he was poor against the run and they valued Ward doing that job far more than thinking Robertson was actually better in coverage.
We simply have differing opinions about that.
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I think it was simply because he is so fast. He stood the best chance of keeping pace with RB's and such.
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I hope so,because he sure wasn't cutting it at OLB.I don't understand all the musical chairs with the defense and coaches.Whatever they do,they better stick with it for a bit and see how things progress.I don't mind a coach change,but a whole staff,FO and players? That's a lot to deal with.I hope Mingo fits in better this coming year too,as that would be a huge help.
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Actually, Kruger was a very well rounded OLB ...... in fact, far more well rounded than I thought he would be. I expected him to struggle more against the run, but he was actually very good against the run. His overall game was far better than I expected. His 4/5 sacks were the only disappointment, but he did also add 5 tackles for loss, and forced 2 fumbles. He excelled at outside contain, and forcing the action back inside though. He set the edge better than any OLB we've had since before 1999.
I do hope that he turns up the pass rush this year ..... but I am not 100% sure how much his lack of pass rush last year was him, and how much was the fact that we ran a ton of 4 man rush, and we rushed Mingo a lot more often, because Kruger knew the rest of the defensive assignments better.
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Actually, Kruger was a very well rounded OLB ...... in fact, far more well rounded than I thought he would be. I expected him to struggle more against the run, but he was actually very good against the run. His overall game was far better than I expected. His 4/5 sacks were the only disappointment, but he did also add 5 tackles for loss, and forced 2 fumbles. He excelled at outside contain, and forcing the action back inside though. He set the edge better than any OLB we've had since before 1999.
I do hope that he turns up the pass rush this year ..... but I am not 100% sure how much his lack of pass rush last year was him, and how much was the fact that we ran a ton of 4 man rush, and we rushed Mingo a lot more often, because Kruger knew the rest of the defensive assignments better.
Y, totally agree!
I am puzzled when fans say he is a bust. He played the strong side and was rock solid against the run. His sack count was down, but he attracted a lot of attention freeing up others.
People should look at Taylor's productivity. Bryant, Sheard, and Kruger creating a lot of attention and rarely see Taylor engaged. Maybe I should look at the numbers, but I thought Winn and Hughes made more plays.
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