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That's what makes this so confusing, don't you think out of this whole ordeal at least one person would've tried to tackle him or something? He only had two handguns right? no assault rifle? I imagine there could have been an oppurtunity to take him down when he was changing clips, but then again everyone was probably still in shock.

I wonder when the profile sketch will come out, if there is one?

Gunfire means 1 thing.....RUN.

You don't stick around to see whats going on when it hits the fan.

The hero scenario is to be admired----but given the fact that most of us haven't been in the classroom when Junior comes to dance; it's hard to expect that of anyone.

I was in the flats a year or so ago when that kid got shot. It was scary, people running every which way in the opposite direction of the shots. They wouldn't let any of us leave the bar until the police gave an all clear. That came at like 3:30am.

I dunno if its been written or said yet,

But I heard a snippet on MSNBC that he had something in for one of his teachers. Maybe thats what the academic building shooting was about?

Sad all the way around no matter the reason

I wonder what the dimensions were of the lecture hall? and where exactly were these windows that the vicims were talking about?

I knew I would have hit the deck as soon as I saw him, but who knows, I guess that wasn't enough for most.

what is is? There was a 25 people in that class and 4 lived?

Don't know, right now I'm avoiding the news and the 24 hour speculation marathon. I'll catch some facts in the paper tomorrow and next week.

If the death of Anna Nicole Smith and Imus' comments dominated headlines for as long as they did; then I'm sure this story will flesh itself out over the next month or so.

Sorry man.

I was sitting in my class at this exact time. I can't imagine what happened,,it's like it can't be real. I think all this coverage and attention is going to drive some other sick mind to do it again.

Shooter ID'd as South Korean Cho Seung-Hui, 23, senior English major at Va. Tech.

You know what's scary excl, I spoke with my wife yesterday at lunch time.. (sometimes that's scary in and of itself.. ) but she reminded me that Columbine happened in April so I looked up the exact date and through google I went to Wikipedia and it said Columbine was April 20... this was April 16... then as I read down, it said, Columbine was the 3rd worst school shooting in American History, behind Bath, and the shootings at Virginia Tech of April 16, 2007... I checked my watch, it was 1:30 pm...... The freaking shooting was barely over and it had been added to Wikipedia... WTF? Who is the morbid SOB that sits around with nothing better to do than update Wikipedia in real time?

People who are so desperate to put their name in lights, that they edit it as soon as they hear it so they can say, "Hey look, I put that entry in ... yay me".

I guess that's much better than shooting up your classmates for some recongnition.

RIP to all of those who were involved in this tragedy.

It's sad to see everyone pointing the finger at everyone and trying to place blame where it has no business being.

There is only one place to lay the blame...........the shooter.

Exactly. After Columbine I wrote a paper on the shooting and Eric Harris especially thought of himself as insignificant and this was a way he would be remembered forever. It worked cause Americans will never forget the name Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Well, this guy's name won't be easily remembered cause it's Cho Seung-Hui. Unfortunatly in the era of 24 hour news stations and the Internet this is going to capture center attention and were going to get every angle on the shooter. I bet they even track down his parents in Korea. One guy could trigger such a massive response by law enforcement and the media makes him seem powerful to some. Sick to most I can guarantee somewhere there is some kid watching this non-stop coverage and thinking to himself how he could do the same thing. "How cool would it be to have everyone in America remember my name. Those who wronged me will now pay. Everyone will pay"

unfortunately, there is no longer a story where the true blame lies because he is dead, so you will hear the media run tangential story after tangential story about "what could have been done to prevent it?" and "is this to blame?" as the media milks this for every minute of TV headline time they can.

If it bleeds, it leads.

Posted by "Dawgface" in a duplicate thread:

JERUSALEM — An Israeli lecturer who died in the massacre at a U.S. university saved the lives of several students by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday.

Students of Liviu Librescu, 76, a holocaust survivor who was an engineering science and mathematics lecturer at Virginia Tech for 20 years, sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said the son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

Liviu Librescu, was respected in his field, his son said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266506,00.html

Very sorry to hear of your loss DC.

I imagine that you're hurt,dismayed and angry all at the same time.


It's only natural my friend. Here's hoping you and everyone touched by this tragedy can heal and make some sense of this tragedy in the weeks and months ahead.

I can only offer my prayers to you and to all of them.

Thank you.

DC, I was thinking of you all day yesterday after hearing the reports. I was hoping that you wouldn't be so personally touched by this tragedy. My prayers go out to you and all those who have been effected.

Ffing psycho, period.

Thank you. I was wondering as I drove home from a meeting yesterday at 4:00, listening to it on the news.. thinking about the few people that I knew would be in that building, thinking of the people I know who have kids on that campus right now.. and I was wondering... what is the protocol to pray in a situation like this? I knew that 30+ people had been killed and as I tried to come to grips with that realization it occurred to me that by praying for the safety of my friends, I was, in essence, praying that somebody elses kids were dead, that somebody elses friends were dead, that somebody elses professors were dead... and that, in and of itself, was enough to make me sick....

Sorry, DC. And, I don't think there really is a protocol...get mad, get angry, God understands.

CNN reports bomb threat at St Edwards University in Austin Texas, they found a threatening note.

I'm beginning to absolutely despise the blame game. It's senseless and morbid.

smack thats right on, It was discussed in my politics class.

Theres no premise for a thing like this. You just dont plan for something like this. Think of it this way, if youre taking your son or daughter in for orientation and they say something like "and here at (university) we have advanced security measures and plans for any shootings." What message does that send? I understand security, but in case of a shooting? whoa.

You just dont plan for things like this, Theres no way to do it without causing so many other problems. Its just, something that no good can come from.


One other thing I thought about, that this really puts things into perspective. The media puts so much on Don Imus and Anna Nicole Smith's baby's father and brtiney spears shaving her head, and there are so many bigger problems in this country. I mean, in the general scheme of things, don imus didnt hurt anyone, he made an off the cuff remark, but that got so much news, when in the general scheme of things, who cares. There are way bigger problems here, and this should make things like that seem insignificant, which they are.

Maybe I should watch my back...you do like to play Goldeneye.

Tiki Barber's first assignment


Tiki Barber was supposed to do his first report today, on British motivational speaker Marcus Buckingham. Instead, by nightfall NBC was proving it is serious about the former Giant as a newsman. He was en route to Blacksburg to cover the Virginia Tech shootings. Barber is from Roanoke, a 30-minute drive away. His parents met at Virginia Tech, where his father was a running back for the Hokies in the early 1970s. So we'll get a sense quickly enough of Barber's reporting chops, as he will be part of the biggest story in the nation

You know whats silly....I've already heard from multiple people the causes for this shooting:

Violent movies
Video games
Rap/Metal music
War imagery on the news

Thing is, I remember shootings like this before video games like Doom or Grand Theft Auto. I know of mass murders that happended before rap/metal music. Did the holocost start after Hitler watched a violent movie? Some human being's are violent and messed up, period. It's been like this since the first human walked this planet. While the above iteams don't help the situation, they're hardly the cause of actions like yesterday. The monster with the guns is where the blame lies.

I really hope and pray for the family and friends of the people killed or wounded yesterday. The hurt they must be feeling right now can't even be expressed.

Virginia Tech Police Still Search for Motive After Identifying Shooter
Tuesday , April 17, 2007




BLACKSBURG, Va. —

The gunman responsible for at least the second of the two Virginia Tech attacks that claimed 33 lives to become the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, a campus student in the United States on a permanent resident visa, Virginia Tech police said Tuesday.

But police are still searching for a motive.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said the shooter was a 23-year-old resident alien who was an undergraduate senior English major. He had a residence in Centreville, Va., but was also living on campus in Harper Hall.

There were two shootings: One shortly after 7 a.m. at the West Ambler Johnston residence hall, which killed two people, and another around 9:15 a.m. at Norris Hall, a classroom building located across campus. Thirty people were killed during that shooting, while another 15 were injured, before Cho shot himself.

"It's certainly reasonable for us to assume Cho was the shooter in both places but we don't have the evidence to take us there at this point in time," said Virginia State Police Superintendent Col. Steve Flaherty said during a press conference Tuesday. "We also have no evidence to indicate there was an accomplice at either event" but officials are still investigating whether the shooter had any help during the day.

"Quite frankly, we have the one chance to get it right," Flaherty said.

Flinchum said a 9mm and 22-caliber handgun was recovered from Norris Hall, where the second shooting took place. Bullets, shell casings and other evidence was examined by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Both weapons are at the ATF's Ammendale Research lab in Maryland, which handles major cases, such as the Beltway sniper attacks.

"Lab results confirmed that one of the two weapons seized in Norris Hall was used in both shootings," Flinchum said.

Processing the scene at Norris Hall has been difficult, Flinchum said, because of the "tremendous chaos and panic" that ensued after the shootings began. Personal effects were strewn about the entire second floor, he said.

Victims were found in at least four classrooms, as well as a stairwell. Flinchum said the gunman was found dead among several victims in one of the classrooms.

Sources told ABC News that after Cho killed the one female and one male at West Ambler Johnston Monday morning, he returned to his own dorm room where he re-armed and left a "disturbing note" before entering Norris Hall on the other side of campus to continue his rampage and kill 30 more before shooting himself.

The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.

Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression. The Tribune also reported that Cho's family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who attended Princeton University. Cho and his family came to the United States in 1992, when he was 8 years old, and he was a legal permanent resident.

Law enforcement officials told ABCNews.com that Cho bought his first gun, a Glock 9mm handgun, on March 13; they say he bought his second weapon, a 22-caliber handgun, within the last week. The serial numbers on both guns had been filed off, sources said.

ABC News also reported that sections of chain similar to those used to lock the main doors at Norris Hall were also found inside a Virginia Tech dorm.

Flinchum said that a "person of interest" who was an acquaintance of the female victim shot at West Ambler Johnston was stopped off campus and detained for questioning. While he was being questioned, the second shooting took place. Flinchum said they are still looking into the possibility that that person helped Cho.

Flinchum also said there is no evidence yet to connect Monday's shootings to two bomb threats made at the school earlier this month.

Federal law enforcement sources confirmed to FOX News that the address for Cho is 14713 Truitt Farm Dr. in Centreville, Va. Sources familiar with the investigation said a search of the property was done overnight by federal agents, Virginia State Police and Fairfax County Police. Authorities.

'It's Going to be Horrible'

The slayings left people of this once-peaceful mountain town and the university at its heart praying for the victims of the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, struggling to find order in a tragedy of such unspeakable horror it defies reason.

A convocation will be held on campus at 2 p.m. EDT. President Bush and Gov. Tim Kaine planned to attend. About 40,000 people are expected to attend an 8 p.m. vigil Tuesday night.

The school administration is under fire by some who say it didn't inform students sooner about the first shooting, which began about 7:15 a.m. on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston. Police were still investigating around 9:15 a.m., when a gunman wielding two handguns and carrying multiple clips of ammunition stormed Norris Hall, on the other side of the 2,600-acre campus. Some students said their first warning came more than two hours after the first shooting, in a vague e-mail at 9:26 a.m.

"I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident," said Billy Bason, 18, who lives on the seventh floor of West Ambler Johnston.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said the university was trying to notify students who were already on-campus, not those who were commuting in. With 9,000 students on campus, 15,000 or 16,000 more in transit on their way to class, and 7,000 employees, Steger told FOX News, "if you don't do it right and you report misinformation, you've got chaos, and we were trying to manage the incident the best we could."

Steger said authorities believed the first shooting was a domestic, isolated incident confined to the building and that authorities closed down that building and surrounded it with police as a safety precaution. They thought the incident was a murder-suicide.

Asked whether he did everything he could to save lives on campus, Steger said: '"I believe, based on the information we had at the time, we took the appropriate steps."

At least 15 people were hurt in the Norris Hall attack, some seriously. Many found themselves trapped after someone, apparently the shooter, chained and locked Norris Hall doors from the inside.

Students jumped from windows, and students and faculty carried away some of the wounded without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

Classes have been canceled for the rest of the week, and Norris Hall will remain closed for the rest of the semester.

Gregory Walton, a 25-year-old who graduated last year, said he feared the nightmare had just begun. At least one of his friends was among the deceased.

"I knew when the number was so large that I would know at least one person on that list," said Walton, a banquet manager. "I don't want to look at that list. I don't want to.

"It's just, it's going to be horrible, and it's going to get worse before it gets better."

Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy was killed just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

FOX News' Catherine Herridge, Ian McCaleb and Geraldo Rivera, FOXNews.com's Liza Porteus and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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