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Nick Foles threw 27 TD and 2 INT last year. He was (by QBR) the 5th best QB in the league.

I would also call Osweiler boom/bust -- all we know as of now is that he is not good enough to beat out Peyton Manning.

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Cousins is somehow incredibly overrated around here because he happened to have his magic moment in a spot start against us.





He basically had one play that worked against us., Of course the skins kept running it over and over and over again and we never adjusted to stop it. But if we took that one play (how ever many times they ran it) against us away then nobody is talking about Cousins at all.


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Yeah, I get what you're saying. I just hate it because I've read more than a few articles on Manziel saying he just "Chucks it up there" for Evans to bail him out and it's hogwash.

Sure he has his flaws, but it's just lazy journalism to me.


At the end of the day I would not be upset with Manziel at #4. If we pass on him and he somehow slides past Minnesota, which is unlikely, I'd start calling teams in the 14-20 range looking to move up.

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I think having Evans actually made Manziel a bit lazy in his progressions as he knew when in doubt throw it up to Evans lol. The guy is a freak and will be a star in this league but Manziel may be an even bigger star.

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So,not taking it to the same extreme, but Evans-Manziel is a little of the Justin Blackmon/Brandon Weeden thing... Who Made Who?


Well, we know now for certain who made who with Weeden & Blackmon, but before the draft, and the first year after, it wasn't quite as clear.

Evans would look REALLY good opposite Gordon. I know that much, for sure. Super big, hands of gold.... that's a dangerous combo right there.


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You put your best hitter 3rd, not 4th. I want a guy who makes contact and can hit to all parts of the field. Power is cool, but I prefer line drive hitters.


About Evans.............the guy is talented, but I think he is one of the riskiest picks in the entire draft. He is not a good route runner, he is too emotional, he is immature, and he relies too much on his great size and leaping ability, which will be somewhat negated in the NFL.

I am not saying he will bust or be a disappointment, but I think there is a pretty good chance of him disappointing if he is chose fairly high in round one.

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About Evans.............




He may also be penalty-prone as he is very physical and pushes-off a lot.


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how many passes did Brett Favre just "throw up" for his WR to go get?


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His route running shocked me at the pro day. Probably the biggest jump i have seen in a receiver. I think he put himself in the top 5, although I had him there already. Evans and Gordon would make me a very happy camper.

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So,not taking it to the same extreme, but Evans-Manziel is a little of the Justin Blackmon/Brandon Weeden thing... Who Made Who?


Well, we know now for certain who made who with Weeden & Blackmon, but before the draft, and the first year after, it wasn't quite as clear.

Evans would look REALLY good opposite Gordon. I know that much, for sure. Super big, hands of gold.... that's a dangerous combo right there.




There is no doubt that Evans was a huge safety net for Manziel, but people act like he was the only guy that JM was throwing to, and when making the argument against Manziel, they point to that ridiculous scramble play against Alabama as if that's what Johnny does every play.

I think if you asked JM, he'd tell you he can't get away with that at the next level. Not that that extereme. There's no doubt that with his quick feet, and these rules that make the QB untouchable, that he can still move around....

I'm not worried about him getting hurt, or not being able to move around. What I want to know is when teams on certain plays are able to get contain, how does he react?

Russ Wilson struggled with that in the NFC championship game at times. Still, when the big play needed to be made, he threw a beauty for a TD.

I've been watching a lot of Johnny's games from the last 2 years, and it's really cool to see how much better he got from year 1 to 2. His feet are amazing too. Combine that with good arm strength, and a great feel for the game, and I am on board with getting him.

I'm not Johnny or nothing, or trade up to assure you get JM, but that's the guy I want right now.

If we draft him, and he fails, I don't even care. At least they tried. I feel like we've shortchanged ourselves with drafting and developing QB's that if they pull this move, I will tip my cap and say they went about it the right way.

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Carr is my #1 QB and Evans is my #1 overall but there is no player that could do more to change the culture of losing in Cleveland than Manziel. I also feel in Shannahan's scheme (more of what was run in Texas) heavy run, mix in the play action naked bootleg and let him go. I saw Johny football wear down college defenses with his running around and with their huge rosters. I am curious to see defenders wear down chasing him lol, especially with them using pretty much all zone.

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Carr is my #1 QB and Evans is my #1 overall but there is no player that could do more to change the culture of losing in Cleveland than Manziel. I also feel in Shannahan's scheme (more of what was run in Texas) heavy run, mix in the play action naked bootleg and let him go. I saw Johny football wear down college defenses with his running around and with their huge rosters. I am curious to see defenders wear down chasing him lol, especially with them using pretty much all zone.




I think the big thing for him is that being able to take off and run past the LOS has to be something that is in your back pocket... He had a lot of double digit rush games last year (14 rushes against Bama). I don't think you can go about it like that, and I think JM can adjust.

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Hell with all the fines, he is safer running in the AFC North than he was in the SEC. Its not the same league it was even when Vick entered the league. Most of the QB injuries in the NFL seem to be guys dont know how to slide or hit a hand on the helmet. target low its a flag, target high its a flag, in the grasp, anything will draw a flag anymore.

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Hell with all the fines, he is safer running in the AFC North than he was in the SEC. Its not the same league it was even when Vick entered the league. Most of the QB injuries in the NFL seem to be guys dont know how to slide or hit a hand on the helmet. target low its a flag, target high its a flag, in the grasp, anything will draw a flag anymore.




It benefits Wilson so much. He is so smart about getting down in time. If Manziel can adopt the same mentality, he'll be fine...

Sometimes, bad things happen though, I think Hoyer is a pretty smart guy too and it got the best of him last year. Other than a handful of established guys, all QB's run and all of them can have Hoyer's injury happen to them. Whoever we draft if we take someone will have that risk. That's why it doesn't bother me as much.

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Johnny Manziel bids for new phrase
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By Darren Rovell | ESPN.com

Former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel continues to set himself up to cash in on his future. In line to eventually secure a "Johnny Football" trademark, Manziel's team filed for more trademarks recently, including "The House That Johnny Built."

But just like the trademark for "Johnny Football," Manziel is actually second in line, and the person who is first might raise eyebrows among Aggies fans.

Fitch Estate Sales, a company owned by the family of Nate Fitch, Manziel's friend who was with the quarterback at many of the autograph signings that resulted in a half-game suspension, was first to the phrase.

Fitch's mother, Rachel, declined to comment. Her attorney, Gerald Fowler, told ESPN.com that it was his understanding that Nate and Johnny were going to use the trademark together.

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Scott Halleran/Getty ImagesJohnny Manziel's team has another marketing phrase in the works.

"My guess is that there was a lack of communication here," Fowler said.

Fitch Estate Sales, which filed for the trademark in December, and Manziel, whose company filed a month later, both submitted applications to the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office that said they intended to use the phrase on athletic apparel. Manziel's filing was first reported Wednesday by TMZ.

If Fitch and Manziel were on the same page, one has to wonder why Manziel's team filed for the phrase on its own. Fowler said he hasn't had any conversations with Manziel's attorneys about pursuing the trademark together. Two of Manziel's attorneys did not return calls from ESPN seeking comment.

If Fitch doesn't have approval from Manziel, it might be tough for him to win the rights. A trademark that refers to a living individual often has to be approved by that person.

Lack of permission is what stopped Kenneth R. Reynolds Family Investments from being able to trademark "Johnny Football." The firm, based in College Station, Texas, filed for "Johnny Football" before Manziel did, but the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office ultimately said the firm needed the consent of Manziel, which it did not get. Last week, the firm agreed to assign its "Johnny Football" rights to Manziel, allowing Manziel's application -- which had been suspended on Dec. 31 -- to proceed.

Fowler said the trademark, an obvious play on the famous Babe Ruth/Yankee Stadium phrase, was a reference to the renovation of Texas A&M's Kyle Field, a $450 million project that will expand capacity to 102,500 and is scheduled to be completed in time for the 2015 season. A Texas A&M official did not immediately return a call seeking comment as to whether Manziel had discussed his trademark filing with the school.

Manziel has been a polarizing figure since his Heisman Trophy-winning season at A&M two years ago.

Pro Football Hall of Fame cornerback Deion Sanders is one of many in football to weigh in on the aura of Manziel, telling "The Tom Joyner Show" on Wednesday he "loves Johnny Football" and that the reason some people won't accept him is because of Manziel's "ghetto tendencies."

When pressed on the subject, Sanders said that what he meant by ghetto tendencies was Manziel's being "cocky, flamboyant" and not shy about telling others of his success.

While Sanders had nothing but praise for Manziel, the spectacle surrounding his pro day last week and his celebrity status concerned new Vikings coach Mike Zimmer, who said "flags" popped up when the team met with Manziel for a private workout.

Manziel's pro day included the presence of former President George H.W. Bush and his wife, Barbara, and her two dogs, music from hip hop artist Drake being blasted through the building and the flashy quarterback wearing camouflage shorts, a black Nike jersey with his white No. 2 as well as a helmet and shoulder pads. Nike, which signed Manziel to an endorsement deal, is selling the clothes he wore on his pro day, including the jersey for $180.

Zimmer told the Houston Chronicle it was a "sideshow."




1. What's up Zimmer's Grumpy Old Man butt lately?

2. Manziel should probably simmuh down now...


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Johnny Football is who Johnny Football is. If a team doesn't want what he is, then they shouldn't draft him.


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He' going full on Lebron. This is very much like the hype surrounding RG III when he came out.

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Johnny Ghetto?

Johnny Manziel is one of the most controversial NFL prospects we've seen in a while. And Deion Sanders just made him a lot more controversial by saying that Manziel has "ghetto tendencies."

Sanders, speaking with Roland Martin said people "won't accept" those "tendencies."

"I love Johnny Football," Sanders said while adding that the Houston Texans should take the QB No. 1 overall. "See, the reason people won't accept Johnny Football is because Johnny Football has ghetto tendencies. I love Johnny Football."

According to the transcript on Martin's website, Sanders was then asked what exactly ghetto tendencies are.

"Because he was successful, he made it, and he let you all know he made it, and he was cocky, he was flamboyant, and he let you know," Sanders said.

The interview first started getting traction on Wednesday night via Black Sports Online. When that happened, Sanders tweeted that he "never said that."

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"I love Johnny Football," Sanders said while adding that the Houston Texans should take the QB No. 1 overall. "See, the reason people won't accept Johnny Football is because Johnny Football has ghetto tendencies. I love Johnny Football."




Man, I'll tell you. If this is truly what he said, Deion is a moron. These guys need to focus more on thinking about what they're saying before they say things. At least if they want to be taken seriously they need to start thinking.......

That's like something you'd say to your buddies at a bar, lol. Not in an interview.......


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Maybe he was saying exactly what he was thinking?


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Guess its better than Rob Stewart calling RGIII a cornball brother hahahaha


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ghetto tendancies lol I can picture Manziel being on an episode of Jerry springer

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Wow, you guys let this Johnny Cleveland thread lay dormant since Saturday. Now "what would Johnny do?"


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ghetto tendancies lol I can picture Manziel being on an episode of Jerry springer




I would like to lay that to rest... people in College Station do NOT date their cousins... well at least not their 1st cousins


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another reason why I don't want Manziel

Manziel applies for “The House That Johnny Built” trademark

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...uilt-trademark/

No wonder our bold lighning rods liked him a lot...


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another reason why I don't want Manziel

Manziel applies for “The House That Johnny Built” trademark

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...uilt-trademark/

No wonder our bold lighning rods liked him a lot...




In other breaking news .....

Sorry, it's just that this story was originally posted here almost a week ago.

I am beginning to think that I do not want us to Manziel. It has more to do with his physical stature, and his abilities, then anything else though. (though I agree that this kind of stuff doesn't help)


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Great, now his last name has become a verb.



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Great, now his last name has become a verb.






And you didn't see that coming?



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That would make two QBs in a row that that has happened.

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That would make two QBs in a row that that has happened.




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Great, now his last name has become a verb.





Is it a dance? I need to learn how to Manziel.. It's really fairly understated..



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Spent some time looking at Manziel's highlight reels. I'm liking him more than I did. Granted, a lot of the highlights are against competition that will never set foot on an NFL field (Evans makes the defenders look dazed). He's got that Kaepernic factor.

The swagger-on-steroids is being driven by his agent. Manziel will make a fortune in endorsements. Why not cash in? He'll learn to let his play speak for itself.
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If we take either Bridgewater or Manziel at 4 I will be happy...

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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.

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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.




The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.



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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.




The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.




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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.




The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.





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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.




The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.





Have you seen the Wonderlic test? Or are you joking?




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