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I was incorrect in saying that Manziel had the highest score of any QB. Some QB from Cornell did better. Here is an article with the scores of most of the notable QBs: Quote:
Johnny Manziel reportedly scored a 32 on the Wonderlic test at February's NFL scouting combine, potentially boosting his stock among teams considering selecting the former Texas A&M quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner in the first round.
NFL Network's Albert Breer tweeted out the scores of some top quarterback prospects, reporting that Manziel scored a 32, while Central Florida's Blake Bortles scored a 28 and Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater scored a 20. Cornell's Jeff Mathews had the highest score among quarterbacks with a 40. Breer did not report on the scores of any other quarterbacks available in May's draft.
The Wonderlic is a 50-question test administered to all combine participants that measures cognitive ability. The time limit is 12 minutes. A score of 20 is indicative of "average" intelligence and roughly equivalent to an IQ of 100. Former Bengals punter Pat McInally, who attended Harvard, is the only prospect known to have scored a perfect 50 on the test.
According to ESPN Stats & Information, among the 31 projected 2014 starting quarterbacks who have a reported Wonderlic score, the average is 29.4. The Chiefs' Alex Smith has the highest (40). The Colts' Andrew Luck and 49ers' Colin Kaepernick share the highest score (37) of quarterbacks drafted in the past three seasons.
Manziel is ranked No. 18 overall in ESPN Scouts Inc.'s list of top 32 prospects. Both ESPN's Todd McShay and Mel Kiper have the Minnesota Vikings picking him eighth overall in their latest mock drafts.
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Based on this I'd take a late round flier on Matthews. He might be a good development prospect.
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Meh. Wonderlic means literally nothing in the NFL. The results don't transfer to any NFL position.
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I can see your point. I can also see that it is very telling in Bridgewater's case, not only did he perform poorly at his Pro Day, but he also scored at just average ( I would say below average) on this test. I want the guy behind center to have above average intelligence and to be able to mentally process things rapidly.
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20 aint that bad. You just dont want a moron at QB. Teddy is football smart and he is not a moron.
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I don't think it says anything. The wonderlic is absolutely useless information. This is a long read, but he's a 40 page paper about it: http://www.psychology.uga.edu/people/bios/faculty/HoffmanDoc/Lyons,%20Hoffman,%20&%20Mischel%20(in%20press).pdf For whatever reason (probably the comma in the url), you can't click on the link, but if you do copy everything from the http to the .pdf and paste it into the address bar it'll work  Abstract: Abstract The purpose of this study was to determine the efficiency and equity of general mental ability (GMA) in a nontraditional employment setting—professional football. The National Football League (NFL) uses a measure of GMA, the Wonderlic Personnel Test, to evaluate potential draftees in an assessment-style environment. A total of 762 NFL players, represented from three draft classes, were included in our sample. In terms of efficiency, results indicated that GMA was unrelated to (a) future NFL performance, (b) selection decisions during the NFL Draft, and (c) the number of games started in the NFL. In regards to equity, differential prediction analyses by race suggested only the existence of intercept bias. The implications of these findings to the NFL and the selection literature are further discussed. Also the Wonderlic is not meant to test quick decisions. The test was meant to test general intelligence and not fluid or crystallized intelligence is not tested. Crystallized intelligence is meant to rely on prior experiences or skills, while fluid intelligence is meant to be able to identify patterns and solve them. I hate to go so nerdy on you, but I just want people to realize how useless the Wonderlic is.
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IIRC there is an inverse correlation between score and success as a defensive back.
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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.
The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.
I am the one who has said he was incredibly smart, but you forgot to mention that I said, "football smart." And I am no different than any coach who has been around him.
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I know most, including me, don't really care about the Wonderlic test. But Manziel got the highest score of all the QBs at the combine this year.
The 'incredibly smart' QB I've heard so much about (Bridgewater) scored a 20.
Blaine Gabbert scored higher than Andrew Luck.
Gabbert is therefore smarter right?
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Just going on memory...Marino scored like a 13 or something.
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He went to Pitt, probably head of his class.
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He went to Pitt, probably head of his class.
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It would be tied for worst in the NFL among starting QB's (Jake Locker).
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Since wonderlic scores are supposed to be confidential and because they get leaked every single year.. I'm surprised more guys don't opt out of taking it. I mean if you can opt out of throwing, running the 40, benching... why can't you opt out of this test?
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Good call... especially when you have people who work for NFLN reporting the numbers.
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The difference is the player stages a pro day or gives a private workout.
I think opting out would be about the same as scoring a 12.
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Manziel coming to visit the Browns this weekend.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Did the Browns save their best for last?
After conducting private workouts with top quarterbacks such as Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr over the past few weeks, they'll put Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel through the paces this weekend, a source confirmed for cleveland.
ESPN's Adam Caplan first reported that the workout is this weekend. Browns coach Mike Pettine revealed at the NFL Annual Meeting last month that the Browns would privately work out Manziel and all of the top quarterbacks in the draft.
"(He's a) gifted playmaker,'' Pettine said at the meetings. "The play starts when he makes the first guy miss. That's exciting to watch, but to transition to the NFL, he'll have to be able to play in structure, his fifth-step, his foot hits the ground that he can execute a throw. I don't think there's any reason to think that wouldn't happen and I think he's capable of doing it, but when you have that ability to improvise like that, that's what makes him special and maybe separates him from other guys.''
The Browns have identified quarterback as a high priority and have devoted plenty of time and resources to finding the one that fits them best. Will it be the scrambling, playmaking Manziel? Will he be available when they're on the clock with the No. 4 overall pick? If he slides, will they trade up from No. 26 to grab him?
In addition, they'll host Carr and others for pre-draft visits next week.
"I (like) what I've seen of (Manziel) on (ESPN's) SportsCenter,'' Shanahan told 92.3 The Fan's Bull and Fox in February. "I haven't sat and studied him, but who wouldn't like him? He's fun to watch, he makes plays, and he's as much of a playmaker as I've seen on SportsCenter as anybody.''
Shanahan hasn't been deterred by Manziel's 5-11 height. He cited the success of shorter quarterbacks Drew Brees (6-0) of the Saints and Russell Wilson (5-11) of the Seahawks, who have both won Super Bowls.
"Everybody wants the prototypical receiver, the prototypical quarterback, the prototypical tackle, but no matter what you say, there's no absolute,'' Shanahan said. "People have succeeded at every height and speed, everybody's done it. Russell just adds another guy to prove those people who speak in absolutes wrong just like Drew Brees has. You've got to look at what a guy is. You never say this guy can't do it because of this.''
But Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, the former Browns and Steelers offensive coordinator, expressed concerned about Manziel's size.
“Evaluation is a comparison business,” Arians said. “If you’re 6-5, 230, run a certain time, there’s like 35 guys I can compare you to that have been successful in this league. If you’re 5-11, there’s two, unless you go back to Fran Tarkenton: Doug Flutie and Russell Wilson. That’s not real good odds to me. You still might make it, but history says no.
Arians acknowledged that Johnny Football has that "it factor'' that Pettine is seeking on his Tour de Quarterback, but seemed skeptical that it will be enough.
“Just because you’re 5-11 doesn’t mean you can’t be successful,'' Arians said. "Johnny has magic. Playing against Flutie in college, that wasn’t fun. He had that magic, too. But it took him a long time to be successful in the National Football League.”
Arians also stressed that Manziel hasn't been chased or hit yet by NFL defenders.
“I don’t think Manziel’s ever going to give up on a play,” he said. “All these kids, they look like they’re going to take it to the wire. Now are they tough enough to get hit by these guys? None of them are fast enough to get away. They might think they are, but they ain’t getting away from these guys chasing them. It’s a different animal chasing them.”
The Browns' private workout with Manziel is especially important because they were one of two teams that didn't attend his Pro Day last month or conduct a formal interview with him at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
But observers at the 45-minute were dazzled by the display, conducted by Massillon, Ohio native George Whitfield Jr.
"He made me say 'wow!''' former Super Bowl MVP quarterback Kurt Warner said on NFL Network during the spectacle at Texas A&M.
Manziel completed 61-of-64 attempts, including plenty of 50- and 60-yard throws on the run.
"You added in those throws on the run, and I don't think there's very many guys even at the National Football League level that can make those kind of throws,'' Warner told Manziel on the NFL Network set.
Warner also said during the showcase, "with what we've seen, he's been extremely impressive. Overall, I think he's been really, really solid.''
ESPN's Bill Polian observed that Manziel has "quick, nimble feet,'' but expressed concern that he threw with a lower arm angle, meaning he'll play to his 5-11 height.
Warner, who mostly praised Manziel, also expressed concerned about the arm angle.
NFL Network Mike Mayock observed that, "he can make every throw mechanically. His arm strength is on par with that of Bortles. He had that beautiful spontaneity on the run and he's confirmed many things. He's not opening up questions for me like Bridgewater did.''
Manziel, who threw in front of eight NFL head coaches including five with top 10 picks, threw with a helmet and shoulder pads on -- rare for a Pro Day workout.
"My main thing was, I'm not scared of anything,'' Manziel told NFL Network. "I don't play that way on the field, why come out here in a scripted workout and be scared of anything? It's the game we all love, let's throw the pigskin around and have some fun. Let's make it as challenging as we possibly could, let's get throws on the run, let's get stuff in the pocket to reset, let's go out and have fun more than anything.''
He said the deep balls on the move were his idea, "especially the two rollouts on the deep slot corners. They didn't know if I could get out there and make that throw like that, it's probably 50-something yards on the run and I felt extremely comfortable doing it. For me the main thing was, we were striving for perfection. One ball hit the ground, so a little disappointed in that, but at the same time, I wanted to make it as challenging as possible and show these guys I'm not scared of anything. I can make any of these throws out here on the field and hopefully compete with anybody.''
As for the necessarily pro skill of throwing from the pocket, he said, "Absolutely. I'm an extremely coachable kid, and I'm ready to learn. That's the biggest thing for me. ''
In regard to off-the-field concerns, he said, "I just want to let these guys know that my focus is football. This is my life. This is what I love to do. I've never been more dedicated and committed in my entire life. I'm so excited. I understand the challenge and the jump. There's no denying that. I want to be one of those (stars) one day. I know that the people that I have around me, and the people that I've talked to in those positions, whether it's Peyton Manning, whether it's Tom Brady, I see what it takes for them to be great. You have to put the time in. You have to be dedicated to it 100% that way.''
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From PFT as an update to their post on him coming to Cleveland. Unless he's coming BACK to Cleveland later on, this seems odd, to say the least . . . UPDATE 6:03 p.m. ET: Technically speaking, Manziel won’t work out while he’s in Cleveland, as the initial report said. Teams can only work out prospects on their college campuses. So he might be visiting with the Browns, but won’t be breaking a sweat there, which he might never do, come to think of it.
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They usually bring them in for a physical, take them to dinner and get to know them. After the physical and psych evaluation on the fly lol, they all fly back together and work him out on his campus.
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Ohhh, totally let that part about "their college campuses" fly over my head. Thanks for clarifying. 
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He can still be the other kind of smart. Who knows he might have taken his time cause his agent told him to relax don't rush just read the questions and answer them - He might have been 20 out of 20 for all we know and didn't rush through the test with intensity. This isn't the end all of end all IQ test. Most the real ones take an hour or two.
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Yeah,, I'm not sure I have a handle on that either.
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j/c http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/5135/draft-factoid-manziel-and-leading-fbs-in-qbrDraft day looms ever closer. As it approaches, it seems appropriate to start your day with a tidbit or two each day on draftable guys -- with an eye toward those the Cleveland Browns might select. All information is courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information. Johnny Manziel led college FBS quarterbacks in Total Quarterback Rating in 2012 and finished third in 2013. The significance? Every player who led the nation from 2008 through 2011 is an NFL starter, including Andrew Luck in Indianapolis and Russell Wilson in Seattle. Wilson also has that ever-elusive ring.
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Anyone want to trade 4, 26, and Mingo (to replace troubled Aldon Smith) for Kaepernick?
You want to trade 3 first round picks (2 plus Mingo) for Kap?
Uh. No.
I'd rather trade up for Carr than trade that haul for a guy still learning to play QB.
And I don't even want Carr...
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http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/04/cleveland_browns_no_time_to_ge.htmlCLEVELAND. Ohio – The Browns are believed to be traveling this weekend to work out quarterback Johnny Manziel. We assume they located him the new-fashioned way -- GPS -- and didn’t just follow the bright star over College Station, Magi-style. Even that, though, wouldn’t make him worth the No. 4 pick in the draft. Sorry, but I didn’t see it when this process began and still don’t see the wisdom in passing up prospective All-Pro talents to take a quarterback you hope: 1) grows, 2) is willing to make the plays he sees instead of the plays he wants to see on SportsCenter, and 3) truly is dedicated to putting aside the Johnny Football name (once he trademarks it, of course). Manziel is electric. No acquisition other than a LeBron James return would light up this town like Las Vegas. Russell Wilson is proof you can win big in the NFL without being the size of Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco. All those arguments are impossible to refute. And also entirely besides the point. Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine strike me as two guys who appreciate substance over style. Wilson has so much of the former, style never even comes up in the conversation. The opposite is true of Manziel. The NFL game is significantly harder for smaller quarterbacks. Wilson’s success certainly isn’t the norm, and isn’t particularly instructive for quite a few reasons. Wilson is fiercely dedicated to his craft. He’s already renowned in his dedication to the film room. He looks at everything as a chance to learn, even conversations with successful people outside of football. (Here's a look at what the Seahawks saw when they first met with him) Even if all that were equally true about Manziel, there would still be one stumbling block. Wilson was an undervalued third-round pick. The question isn’t whether the Browns should take Manziel in the third round, or even the second. Those answers would be: yes and yes. Obviously. How about the 26th overall pick? Sure, why not? They would’ve already procured a Top 5 talent. Manziel would be one of their remaining nine picks. His play-making ability at such a critical position would make it too difficult to pass him up. You’d still have concerns no matter where you picked him, but not nearly as many as were outlined in NFL analyst Greg Cosell’s smart look at the questions GM’s should ask themselves before spending a high pick on Manziel. The salient point is Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are exceptions. That's why they were chosen where they were in the draft. Brees was the first pick in the second round of the 2001 draft, No. 32. Wilson was the 12th pick in the third round in the 2012 draft, No. 75. Just because they proved they were undervalued doesn’t mean it’s smart to overvalue Manziel, or any other quarterback. If Wilson were to go back into his draft class, he’s not getting picked ahead of Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. This is not a great quarterback draft class. And no amount of flash – I’d put conducting a Pro Day in shoulder pads in that category – is going to make Manziel look too elite to pass up. I don’t think Farmer and Pettine are attempting to hide their intentions when they talk about building a complete team. That’s what Seattle has done after all. Monster defense. Strong running game. Complimentary quarterback. Certainly that’s not easily accomplished. A great quarterback can instantly raise the franchise. They’re not arguing against that. They’re just being realistic. There are so few quarterbacks in the league capable of lifting all boats. My guess is Farmer and Pettine know they’re here because previous regimes tried to make the draft fit what they needed instead of letting talent dictate it. No way Manziel will be the highest-rated player on the board at No. 4. Maybe on Manziel’s board, but I doubt on the Browns'. Maybe this weekend changes things. If so, I believe the Browns are talking themselves into something, and that’s never good.
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Really? Because as Manziel is standing there in the pocket for the 5 seconds he has, he obviously says to himself "Man I better run around a bit so I can get on Sportcenter!" Wow...
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They would’ve already procured a Top 5 talent. Manziel would be one of their remaining nine picks. His play-making ability at such a critical position would make it too difficult to pass him up.
So he's a Top 5 talent, that this writer would definately take at 26.. But isn't a TOP 5 TALENT.. that he'd take at 4? Ok?
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It's one of the better ones. Just because a class has an Andrew Luck at the top of it doesn't make the ENTIRE CLASS better...
All the comparisons to Russell Wilson are great actually. I firmly believe Manziel can come into the league and run the type of offense Wilson is. Running game based, lots of play actions, with rollouts incorporated into it. He would be great in that role until he became more accustomed to the NFL...
Picture this. Playaction bootleg to the right, Hawkins running a short cross in front of Johnny, Jordan Cameron running a post towards the first down marker, and Gordon running deep down the sideline... Manziel has three throwing options, and his legs..
You don't think that play can work with JF in the NFL? I do.
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Agreed. Bud Shaw is an idiot.
He may be fairly intelligent, but his football posts are so far off that it amazes me he still has a job.
I wish the PD would fire a jerk like that and bring in someone who actually knows the game.
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I have been reading a lot of his stuff, and it seems his underlying motive, is to bad mouth the team at any chance. No impartiality, just doom and gloom syndrome perpetuated by a mediocre writer.
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That will sell papers. When a team is down, it's not popular to stand up FOR them. It will sell more papers if you beat on them
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I have been reading a lot of his stuff, and it seems his underlying motive, is to bad mouth the team at any chance. No impartiality, just doom and gloom syndrome perpetuated by a mediocre writer.
Considering our teams record for several years, maybe he's just being honest. While many seem to "talk up" the team every off season, his take ends up being far more accurate than the average fans.
Let's take this year for example. We have a rookie HC. None of us have seen the draft yet and have no idea how any of those players will turn out in the NFL. People "like what he says" but we have nothing more than that to gauge our opinions on.
Yet people are already finding hope to believe things will be better. Based on what exactly? You may not like what he has to say, but it seems his "doom and gloom" predictions are far more accurate than many fans. Whether we like it or not.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...leveland-brownsThe Cleveland Browns continue to do their homework on Johnny Manziel. With three weeks until the draft, the team held a private workout for the former Texas A&M quarterback Saturday morning in College Station, according to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport. NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt reported about the session earlier this week. Johnny Chronicles » Manziel Zone: Who loves him, who hates him? » Gruden compares Manziel to ol' gunslinger Favre » Brandt: Manziel still No. 1 on top 50 prospects list Video: » Manziel's pro comparison | First Draft » Manziel's high school highlights » From Johnny Football to 'Johnny Legend' Photos: » Manziel's path to draft | Celebrates | Works out Manziel also will visit the Browns' facilities next week, according to Brandt. Manziel's workout Saturday could go a long way toward determining how the Browns play their No. 4 overall draft pick. Quarterback is one of the team's obvious needs, but some believe Cleveland could opt to fill another position at No. 4 and grab a quarterback such as Fresno State's Derek Carr with their No. 26 pick. NFL Media analyst Bucky Brooks believes the Browns' best-case scenario with the fourth pick would give them a choice among the top-three quarterbacks in the draft -- Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles -- and wide receiver Sammy Watkins. Brooks ultimately believes GM Ray Farmer will opt for Watkins. "Building a team doesn't always start with the quarterback," Brooks said. "Farmer can set up the franchise for success by first building up the supporting cast around the eventual signal-caller, and then identifying the right fit at quarterback in the near future. This is the blueprint the Seattle Seahawks used to capture the championship a season ago. It's one Farmer could copy to reverse the Browns' fortunes." In addition to the "Big Three" quarterbacks and Carr, the Browns have also had visits with quarterbacks expected to be second- or third-day picks. Included in this group are Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, Alabama's AJ McCarron, Georgia's Aaron Murray and Ball State's Keith Wenning. Follow College Football 24/7 on Twitter @NFL_CFB.
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Hope springs eternal in Cleveland Pit. 
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Hope springs eternal in Cleveland Pit.
I don't know about eternal, it's more perennial. Depending upon the individual it dies sometime from Oct to Dec and comes back to life around the draft.
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Hope springs eternal in Cleveland Pit.
I don't know about eternal, it's more perennial. Depending upon the individual it dies sometime from Oct to Dec and comes back to life around the draft.
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Thanks for posting that. Just watched it. Football wise I really like this guy. I can't tell you how infuriating it is to have a play locked down from a defensive perspective...only to watch Elway or Roethlisberger extend it. See the backside breakdown and see a TD happen live in person way before you realize it watching TV. And think...I hate this guy. Why can't he be playing for us!!! Manziel's got this. And I hate watching guys like that shred my team.
But seeing this makes me want him even more. He gets it. He's a smart kid. The Wonderlic is something. But you can tell talking to him that he's coachable. He likes the mental aspect of the game. And I think Hoyer would be great for him.
And at the end of the day we need someone here that can flip this script.
Take the loser Browns from 99 to present...and turn them into a bunch of winners. This guy just might be able to do that. We have a half dozen Pro Bowl guys. We have some talent in the Front 7 that Pettine might be able to do something with a la Buffalo.
I take Manziel at 4 and don't look back.
And I'm putting a call in to St. Louis and seeing what that #2 overall slot would cost me. Because I don't want to give Jacksonville the option. If it's #26. Done deal and I draft him at 2.
We need a culture change here in Brownstown. It's going to take someone special to eliminate the Factory of Sadness outlook here.
This guy could be it.
Take him.
And start playing some entertaining winning football.
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Just started watching this: "Johnny Manziel - Grudens QB Camp."
On youtube/link:
https://www.youtube.com/v/EIrLmgy1yR0
Very interesting, he touched on just about all the known concerns. Something Gruden belabored that had me thinking was, he wanted Manziel to check down more. It's not really something I think about, but Gruden seems to think Manziel was trying to go down field too much. That is really interesting and something I would have loved to known before I watched the games.
Man, he looks small standing at that board compared to Andrew Luck.
haha I love that he admits when he throws greedy interceptions, because it's so true.
Real hard not to like the kids abilities. A lot of his problems on the field are just that, getting too greedy and impatient.
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Manziel could be more of a Franchise QB possibility than Luck, with all the smoke the Browns are throwing at Carr, they may grab Manziel if he is there at 4.
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