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I believe that most certainly would fall in line with the poison pill since you would be making an offer over double what the top C in the league makes.
Plus the other 31 owners would be furious. It would simply send up too many red flags for anyone to even consider it IMO
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Pro Bowl and second-team All Pro center Alex Mack is currently at his home in California preparing for NFL free agency to start 4 p.m. Tuesday.
After five seasons with the Browns, Mack already experienced three complete regime changes and a total of 23 wins. Yet, he’s still hopeful about the direction the Browns are going under the leadership of owner Jimmy Haslam, new general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine.
“My time in Cleveland was interesting to say the least,” Mack told USA TODAY Sports. “It was never boring. But there is no guarantee anywhere you go. It’s not a given what happens in Cleveland now or for any other team.
“I like where my future is going. Mr. Haslam, he’s a really good owner. I got a really good feeling about him. He’s a direct person who knows what he wants to do. There’s something to be said of that. It’s now a clean slate.”
The Browns met with Mack over the weekend. Along with Haslam, Farmer and Pettine, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and offensive line coach Andy Moeller were in attendance.
“That was a cool meeting,” Mack said. “I got to sit down with the new offensive coordinator and line coach. They discussed their scheme, where we’re going and the plans for offense. That went really well. I think they liked what they heard from me or they wouldn’t have tagged me. It was fun to talk to them. Now, we just go from there. It’s nice to possibly play in a system that fits your skill set and sets you up for success. That’s what I got from that meeting.”
The transition tag wasn’t discussed at the meeting, but the Browns decided to apply the designation the next day.
With the transition tag, the Browns can match any offer made to Mack by another team within five days. If Mack simply signs the one-year contract, he’ll make $10.039 million during the 2014 season. That amount will make Mack the highest paid center in the NFL by nearly $2 million.
“It does put us in a good position,” Mack said. “It’s really good Cleveland likes me and wants me around. It could be nice to play for one year at the transition tag number. Without a doubt, they think highly of me.”
Despite the usage of the transition tag, Mack and his representation aren’t going to approach free agency any differently than they did prior to the Browns’ move.
“It doesn’t affect us at all. Marv Demoff [one of Mack's agents] and I are going to take the very same approach as if he was an unrestricted free agent,” Mack’s agent, Tim Younger of Younger & Associates, said. “We’ll determine what we see are good fits when it comes to the teams. And vice versa.”
The transition tag gives Mack an opportunity to see what else is available. The Browns have a right to match, but he believes it’s an opportunity to get a taste of free agency for the first and maybe last time.
“It’s an interesting position to be put into to,” Mack said. “The transition tag will still allow me to see other teams, which is what we really wanted. … The goal was really to feel out my options. We wanted to know what the Browns are now about, and what other teams are doing.”
Three teams in particular should be of interest to Mack.
The first is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Lovie Smith’s new staff includes Mack’s former college head coach, Jeff Tedford, as the team’s offensive coordinator and his previous offensive line coach with the Browns, George Warhop.
The Indianapolis Colts, who cut starting center Samson Satele Thursday, hired former Browns’ head coach Rob Chudzinski. Chudzinski was already a determining factor in the team’s acquisition of former Browns’ LB D’Qwell Jackson. The Colts could also be a possibility for Mack.
“I like Chud and [Browns' former offensive coordinator Norv] Turner. I love Warhop,” Mack said. “I really liked where Cleveland was going. The firing came as a real surprise.”
If Mack is looking to relocate to anywhere other than Cleveland, it may be closer to his home in Santa Barbara. Mack grew up a Raiders’ fan.
But Cleveland remains a possibility for Mack mainly due to the fact the Browns can match any offer he receives.
“I have to be comfortable with that,” Mack said. “It’s their right. I have to weigh that into any potential decision. But I walked away from our meeting with feeling it was a good meeting. With a doubt, it’s not a bad thing to return to the Browns.
“We’ll see what happens. It’s tough to know. I don’t know how teams feel about me. I still have an opportunity to meet with coaches and experience free agency. That’s the goal. I like Cleveland; I know it. I like these new coaches. But there are other opportunities out there. You only get to play this game so long. Let’s see what else is out there.”
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“My time in Cleveland was interesting to say the least,” Mack told USA TODAY Sports. “It was never boring.
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It’s nice to possibly play in a system that fits your skill set and sets you up for success. That’s what I got from that meeting.”
I think the zone blocking would fit Mack's skill set.
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“It doesn’t affect us at all. Marv Demoff [one of Mack's agents] and I are going to take the very same approach as if he was an unrestricted free agent,” Mack’s agent, Tim Younger of Younger & Associates, said. “We’ll determine what we see are good fits when it comes to the teams. And vice versa.”
Agent speak, but still............
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But Cleveland remains a possibility for Mack mainly due to the fact the Browns can match any offer he receives.
“I have to be comfortable with that,” Mack said. “It’s their right. I have to weigh that into any potential decision. But I walked away from our meeting with feeling it was a good meeting. With a doubt, it’s not a bad thing to return to the Browns.
“We’ll see what happens. It’s tough to know. I don’t know how teams feel about me. I still have an opportunity to meet with coaches and experience free agency. That’s the goal. I like Cleveland; I know it. I like these new coaches. But there are other opportunities out there. You only get to play this game so long. Let’s see what else is out there.”
He is sick of losing and the constant upheaval.
Think about it. This is a guy who hasn't missed a game in his career. Mack is the model of consistency. He played after having appendicitis.  And the Browns change coaches and FO personnel more than some people change their underwear.
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With the transition tag, the Browns can match any offer made to Mack by another team within five days.
Hey EO., It was 5 days..  LOL
Anyway, let's hope he's here for more than just one year.
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He is sick of losing and the constant upheaval.
Think about it. This is a guy who hasn't missed a game in his career. Mack is the model of consistency. He played after having appendicitis. And the Browns change coaches and FO personnel more than some people change their underwear.
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So much for the "angst" that now teams would "offer more" lol
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Signing bonuses cab be stretched out over the length of a contract unless that was changed in the new CBA.
ie..... 12 mil signing bonus for a 4 year contract equates to 3 mil per year. The only catch is, that if you cut a player, you're on the hook for whatever remains left that you have not yet paid in the signing bonus.
It's guaranteed money but not in one lump sum.
No....signing bonuses are paid in full once the contract is signed. It might not be on the day it is signed as someone said, but the transfer takes place in maybe 48 hours.
For cap purposes, teams are allowed to prorate the bonus amount over the length of the contract, but the player gets the money in lump.
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He's a CENTER.
Had the Browns franchise tagged him,they would have become the laughing stock not only of the NFL,but the entire universe.
The transition tag,although used rarely,appears to have been tailor made for situations involving interior o-linemen.
This was a shrewd move by Farmer.Mack will be playing for $10mil next year,and hopefully a new deal willbe worked out.
The Colts taggeed their Punter last year. I dont recall anyone laughing at them. And in case you missed it, The Browns already are the laughing stock of the NFL.
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The biggest difference, however, is that while a franchised player can negotiate with other teams, if he signs elsewhere, the franchising team has the option to match the contract or accept two first-round picks as compensation. With the transition tag, the player can negotiate with other teams, but if he signs elsewhere the original team has the right to match in seven days, Daman...and yet the opening article announcing the tag had this explanation of the tag clearly stating 7 days. Pretty sure I read it in a couple of other posts possibly one quoting the actual ruling in the CBA??? I always remembered 7 days.
So you are actually doing a Nanner dance from an article not explaining the rules but editorializing. In other words you took the words from a "BOZO" to be the gospel. Why I call them Bozo's is they just don't study the facts enough they just write their columns...Next you know it will be in Wikipedia...lol 
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I always remembered 7 days.
I have seen it as 7 days, and others 5 days. I don't know which is correct, eo...
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He's a CENTER.
Had the Browns franchise tagged him,they would have become the laughing stock not only of the NFL,but the entire universe.
The transition tag,although used rarely,appears to have been tailor made for situations involving interior o-linemen.
This was a shrewd move by Farmer.Mack will be playing for $10mil next year,and hopefully a new deal willbe worked out.
The Colts taggeed their Punter last year. I dont recall anyone laughing at them.
Not sure of the relevance. The original point was that franchising a center involves a high number because the amount is not based on the highest salaries among centers, but the highest salaries among all o-linemen. Left tackles dominate in regards to OL salaries and inflate the tag amounts for centers and guards.
I am sure punters fall into a different category than OL.
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He's a CENTER.
Had the Browns franchise tagged him,they would have become the laughing stock not only of the NFL,but the entire universe.
The transition tag,although used rarely,appears to have been tailor made for situations involving interior o-linemen.
This was a shrewd move by Farmer.Mack will be playing for $10mil next year,and hopefully a new deal willbe worked out.
The Colts taggeed their Punter last year. I dont recall anyone laughing at them.
Not sure of the relevance. The original point was that franchising a center involves a high number because the amount is not based on the highest salaries among centers, but the highest salaries among all o-linemen. Left tackles dominate in regards to OL salaries and inflate the tag amounts for centers and guards.
I am sure punters fall into a different category than OL.
no one is laughing because he is one of the best.
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I think the question was based on them saying us Franchise tagging him would make us a laughing stock.
When the Franchise tag for him wouldn't of even been 2mil more than the Transition tag..
And in that case, we would of gotten the opportunity to match, or get draft picks in return (it doesn't HAVE to be two first, teams can work out a trade)
Now we only get the opportunity to match with no compensation..
So how is Franchising an All Pro Lineman a laughingstock, but Transition tagging isn't?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I have also read both 5 and 7 days to match an offer sheet. So I looked it up. Looks like the 'nanner dance is in full swing.  From page 48 of the CBA... Section 5. Right of First Refusal for Transition Players: Any player designated as a Transition Player shall, at the expiration of his prior year Player Contract, be permitted to negotiate a Player Contract with any Club. When the Transition Player negotiates such an offer with a New Club, which the player desires to accept, he shall give to the Prior Club a completed Offer Sheet, signed by the player and the New Club, which shall contain the Principal Terms (as defined in Article 9) of the New Club's offer. The Prior Club, within five (5) days from the date it receives the Offer Sheet, may exercise or not exercise its Right of First Refusal, which shall have the consequences set forth in Sections 3(b)-(h), 4 and 6 of Article 9 above, except that no Draft Choice Compensation shall be made with respect to such player, and, for the purposes of those provisions, the player and each Club shall otherwise have the same rights and obligations as for a Restricted Free Agent. Download a .pdf of the CBA here
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What happens if a team makes a deal with Mack for 20 million a year so the Browns won't match it, but they have a gentlemans agreement that Mack will restructure next season.
I've thought about that also, but the idea of trusting someone to restructure a 15-20 million a year deal to where they dont have to, wow, wouldnt that screw a team if he didnt, they would have to release him to get from under the contract but would still owe dead money on the guarntee money left.
I really dont see a team risking that on a center, and to be honestly, if I was the Browns and some team wanted to risk 10 mil + on a center, I'd tell them to go for it, having a 10+ million dollar center and having to go cheaper on the other 4 spots, well I'm just glad I'm not the QB.
Mack leaves we sign a FA center for 3-4 mil a year for a couple years and draft a center in the 3rd or 4th round.
Mack could do himself a big favor bye signing a 4-5 year deal worth 7-8 mil a year, some incentives with guarntee money and front load it somewhat, some of these average contracts that dont strap a team down seem to go the lenght of agreed years, teams are looking back on some of these big break the banks deals and stepping back and wondering what the heck they agreed to...and release the player.
If Mack is as smart as people say ....well we should see, and we will see just how much he wants to be part of our team
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I believe that most certainly would fall in line with the poison pill since you would be making an offer over double what the top C in the league makes.
Plus the other 31 owners would be furious. It would simply send up too many red flags for anyone to even consider it IMO
Not really a poison pill.
I'm not making myself clear.. sorry
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Colts (or whoever) say: Mack, we're going to freak the Browns out and offer you a contract worth 20 million a year.
Mack says: Yaa Hoo..
Colts (or whoever): Not so fast Alex, after the first year is complete, we're going to come to you and ask you to redo you contract so we'll pay you 6.25 million a year for the last 4 years of a 5 year deal
Making your total take in the deal to be 45 million or an average of 9 mill which makes you the highest paid Center in the league.
BUT, you can't talk about it and we're not putting it in writing. It will be our little secret...
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See, no poison pill that is known.
Does that make it clear? How would anyone know that they did this side deal?
Of course, if it got out, sure, 31 other owners would go crazy on whoever did that. And yeah, it's really very far fetched.
But is it even possible?
Would anyone ever try it?
Let me repeat this, it's far fetched. Nutty in fact. But It's hard to trust NFL owners and I wouldn't put anything past them.
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you can't talk about it and we're not putting it in writing. It will be our little secret.
and next year comes around and Mack goes "restructure? what restructure? I don't remember any talk about that"
look, I get what you are saying and the danger of the transition tag is that teams can mess around with the #'s to hurt the team they are trying to get to balk at the contract. for us though, we don't care much about the 2014 cap. we are good there. the real poison pill would be to put a huge "guaranteed" cap-hold on the contract in year3 or year4 when we would be paying our other young players as well. but, even then, we'd have years to figure out how to navigate around it.
the transition tag gives me pause, but I don't think we'll lose Mack.
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That's the key.. Teams can mess around with it. Before the poison pill was used, who would have thought about it? So what's the next big thing on that front.
There are a lot of very smart people in that league. I'm sure that if I can come up with some lame method, they can come up with a better one.
That's all I'm saying.
Of course, you do have to laugh, what if they do this deal in the manner I describe and next year Mack says, redo my deal? What you talkin bout? LOL
That would be funny.
Key to this is that I think/feel that Mack is a straight up guy. I'd actually doubt he'd be party to anything like that.
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both 5 and 7 days...ergo the term Bozo. They are suppose to research the facts and give it to us.
The original article starting this thread seemed like it was direct from some research cause the theme was to inform us on the nuances of the Franchise Tag and the Transition Tag. The other article was not being written as an info theme he was just stating his thoughts as facts.
So I got a feeling its 7...but who really knows?
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Well that sure as heck looks official.. why this board is much more informative than any Bozo.
my beef with them is mostly cause if they were efficient it would be right.
Also so many take it as a fact if they read it in an Article.
Nothing changes in my opinion of the Bozo's
But now looks to be 5 days as the CORRECT length.
So Nanner Dance it is...lol
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No....signing bonuses are paid in full once the contract is signed. It might not be on the day it is signed as someone said, but the transfer takes place in maybe 48 hours.
For cap purposes, teams are allowed to prorate the bonus amount over the length of the contract, but the player gets the money in lump.
Yes after looking into it, you are correct. My bad.
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
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I believe that most certainly would fall in line with the poison pill since you would be making an offer over double what the top C in the league makes.
Plus the other 31 owners would be furious. It would simply send up too many red flags for anyone to even consider it IMO
Not really a poison pill.
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Mack says: Yaa Hoo..
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Making your total take in the deal to be 45 million or an average of 9 mill which makes you the highest paid Center in the league.
BUT, you can't talk about it and we're not putting it in writing. It will be our little secret...
What do you think Alex?
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See, no poison pill that is known.
Does that make it clear? How would anyone know that they did this side deal?
Of course, if it got out, sure, 31 other owners would go crazy on whoever did that. And yeah, it's really very far fetched.
But is it even possible?
Would anyone ever try it?
Let me repeat this, it's far fetched. Nutty in fact. But It's hard to trust NFL owners and I wouldn't put anything past them.
Goodell would hammer them. If they were talking about taking away draft picks for Mike Tomlin stepping onto the field. They would hammer any team who tried this. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost TWO 1st round picks for a stunt like that.
Forget the Browns, the league would be in such an uproar over it, he would have to hit them hard. I don't think any team is that ballsy and certainly not for a Center.
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Not to mention what the Players Union reaction would be for a player to re-negotiate a contract down $14 mil a year. 
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
Again, you miss my point,.,. Geesh,,, I must be as clear as mud.
I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
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Mack would be an idiot to negotiate a 20 million per year contract.
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Yes, I agree, he'd hammer them, the other 31 owners would go nuts on them.. But ONLY if they found out.
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
Again, you miss my point,.,. Geesh,,, I must be as clear as mud.
I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
You're also forgetting agents and players unions. You think they would sign off on this?
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“I have to be comfortable with that,” Mack said. “It’s their right. I have to weigh that into any potential decision. But I walked away from our meeting with feeling it was a good meeting. With a doubt, it’s not a bad thing to return to the Browns.
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
Again, you miss my point,.,. Geesh,,, I must be as clear as mud.
I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
You're also forgetting agents and players unions. You think they would sign off on this?
I'm not forgetting anything. If they knew about it, the union would NEVER sign off on it. I wouldn't be too sure about agents,.. I have a pretty low opinion of most of them anyway.
The point is,,, NOBODY would do it, if the entire world knew they were doing it.
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you can't talk about it and we're not putting it in writing. It will be our little secret.
and next year comes around and Mack goes "restructure? what restructure? I don't remember any talk about that"
look, I get what you are saying and the danger of the transition tag is that teams can mess around with the #'s to hurt the team they are trying to get to balk at the contract. for us though, we don't care much about the 2014 cap. we are good there. the real poison pill would be to put a huge "guaranteed" cap-hold on the contract in year3 or year4 when we would be paying our other young players as well. but, even then, we'd have years to figure out how to navigate around it.
the transition tag gives me pause, but I don't think we'll lose Mack.
I tried to find where on ESPN I read it but I could not, but as far as back loading vs front loading a contract I read that it doesn't matter.
So Baltimore can go to Mack and offer him a 4yr 38 million deal and back load the contract, the Browns just need to match the 4yr 38 million but they can front load the contract if they want to. The overall money, years and guaranteed money is what we have to match. How we apply it to the cap is arbitrary in terms of matching a transition tag offer..
Again I read it on ESPN but I tried to find it just now and could not. I'll look again later unless someone else can clarify.
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“I have to be comfortable with that,” Mack said. “It’s their right. I have to weigh that into any potential decision. But I walked away from our meeting with feeling it was a good meeting. With a doubt, it’s not a bad thing to return to the Browns.
Kinda hoping that was a typo
LOL I saw that also,, I'm hoping what was actually said was "without a doubt"
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I also have to wonder what motivation ANY other team would have with meeting him? They know just about any contract they offer Mack will most likely be matched by the Browns because of the cap space the Browns have. Or, they have to offer a contract so high that it makes them look like they are vastly overpaying.
Any team that meets with Mack has to realize that they are most likely wasting their time. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that Mack shouldn't look around but...its most likely nothing more than a friendly meeting.
If I was a coach/GM of another team, I'd probably be putting more time and efforts into FAs whom I have a better chance of signing.
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I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
I don't think there is a "next big thing". I believe the poison pill was a very big learning experience for the NFL and their owners. There are a group of 32 billionaires that while competing for talent, also do not wish to spend through the roof or throw stones at each other.
As I stated, I believe whoever may come up with "the next big thing" will be dealt with contempt by the other 31 owners. But I do believe we're getting away from what you first proposed in this thread.
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I also have to wonder what motivation ANY other team would have with meeting him? They know just about any contract they offer Mack will most likely be matched by the Browns because of the cap space the Browns have. Or, they have to offer a contract so high that it makes them look like they are vastly overpaying.
Any team that meets with Mack has to realize that they are most likely wasting their time. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that Mack shouldn't look around but...its most likely nothing more than a friendly meeting.
If I was a coach/GM of another team, I'd probably be putting more time and efforts into FAs whom I have a better chance of signing.
Me too because I don't care about the chatter out there in the Fan Zone.
But remember all the flack that Holmgren and Heckert got from the fans and media about not spending the picks to get RGIII? I thought they were wrong to even offer what they did, but that aside, look at the mess of fall out from that.
Talking to Mack and making an offer you are sure will get matched at least allows you to say you tried and it costs you nothing but a little time.
The Browns have a new owner, GM and HC. Nobody knows what they will do so what the heck, take a shot.
Thats the only reason I can think of to do it,.
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I also have to wonder what motivation ANY other team would have with meeting him? They know just about any contract they offer Mack will most likely be matched by the Browns because of the cap space the Browns have. Or, they have to offer a contract so high that it makes them look like they are vastly overpaying.
Any team that meets with Mack has to realize that they are most likely wasting their time. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that Mack shouldn't look around but...its most likely nothing more than a friendly meeting.
If I was a coach/GM of another team, I'd probably be putting more time and efforts into FAs whom I have a better chance of signing.
I see your point, but at the same time, if you're in dire need of a quality C, what would it hurt to try? I mean if you look at the C's on the market and in the draft, Mack is by far the best out there.
And you have to figure, while I'm sure that the Browns want Mack back, there most certainly has to be some ceiling as to what they're willing to pay. An opposing team would most likely try to guess what that limit is, and offer just slightly above it.
I believe we'll know soon enough. But if I were in the market for a quality C, I wouldn't let what the Browns might, or might not do, dissuade me from making him an offer. You never know if you never try.
I think the bigger issue is whether Mack is all that interested in signing a deal. From an injury standpoint landing a nice long term deal is a great deal of security. But how much or how little he wishes to stay here will probably play some role in that decision.
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I also have to wonder what motivation ANY other team would have with meeting him? They know just about any contract they offer Mack will most likely be matched by the Browns because of the cap space the Browns have. Or, they have to offer a contract so high that it makes them look like they are vastly overpaying.
Any team that meets with Mack has to realize that they are most likely wasting their time. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that Mack shouldn't look around but...its most likely nothing more than a friendly meeting.
If I was a coach/GM of another team, I'd probably be putting more time and efforts into FAs whom I have a better chance of signing.
well, teams could be making a play for next offseason. put in some time this year and mention that Alex could sign the 1year offer now and the Browns will have more players they need to re-sign or tag next offseason. Alex may not get the tag next offseason and have more freedom.
yes, money will talk, but if money is equal, teams that talk to him this year are more likely to get first dibs next year.
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
Again, you miss my point,.,. Geesh,,, I must be as clear as mud.
I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
You're also forgetting agents and players unions. You think they would sign off on this?
Not to mention that all players contracts have to be submitted to the NFL office for approval before they are official. I am sure that they would enforce such a deal so as not to open a new can of worms.
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For one Damon, who in the world would write such a contract in "hopes" that a non written agreement would be honored?
This would open up an entire new problem for the other 31 owners. A precedent would then be set by one owner that agents across the league would negotiate for. Once a can of worms like that gets opened, closing it isn't so easy.
Then you look at his position. Well, if you offer a C a 20 mil. per year contract, what would a LT or QB then be worth? I don't believe any owner or FO would see this as a way to insure the signing of a C.
It would set the tone for all kinds of negotiating practices moving forward for the entire NFL. All of that to sign a C? Nah....
Again, you miss my point,.,. Geesh,,, I must be as clear as mud.
I said, there are a lot of smart people in this league, if I can come up with this lame plan, certainly they can come up with something better... Who thought of the poison pill before the Vikings used it on the Seahawks?
What's the next big thing?
You're also forgetting agents and players unions. You think they would sign off on this?
Not to mention that all players contracts have to be submitted to the NFL office for approval before they are official. I am sure that they would enforce such a deal so as not to open a new can of worms.
Again, if it's NOT in the contract, why would they object.
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There used to be a rule that you could only negotiate your contract one time a year- you could add years to your contract, but you could only set your salary once for the current year.
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