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There used to be a rule that you could only negotiate your contract one time a year- you could add years to your contract, but you could only set your salary once for the current year.
I know of no such rule but it doesn't apply to this.
I was talking about redoing the contract after the first year.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
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I see your point, but at the same time, if you're in dire need of a quality C, what would it hurt to try? I mean if you look at the C's on the market and in the draft, Mack is by far the best out there.
And you have to figure, while I'm sure that the Browns want Mack back, there most certainly has to be some ceiling as to what they're willing to pay. An opposing team would most likely try to guess what that limit is, and offer just slightly above it.
I believe we'll know soon enough. But if I were in the market for a quality C, I wouldn't let what the Browns might, or might not do, dissuade me from making him an offer. You never know if you never try.
I think the bigger issue is whether Mack is all that interested in signing a deal. From an injury standpoint landing a nice long term deal is a great deal of security. But how much or how little he wishes to stay here will probably play some role in that decision.
Yes, so that goes to the point of potentially over-paying based on a need. But if I'm the Browns, keeping a Pro-bowl quality player is a big need also. And since they have the cap space, they probably match it. Unless it's really outrageous but that is highly doubtful.
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well, teams could be making a play for next offseason. put in some time this year and mention that Alex could sign the 1year offer now and the Browns will have more players they need to re-sign or tag next offseason. Alex may not get the tag next offseason and have more freedom.
yes, money will talk, but if money is equal, teams that talk to him this year are more likely to get first dibs next year.
This is the one that makes the most sense to me. Show him some love in case he doesn't sign a long term deal.
However, with FA about to get fast and furious next week, I would still be very hesitant to make that my priority if I'm team X's GM. Wine and Dine the players you have a good chance of landing, then schmooze the future players like Mack later on.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Despite the fact the Browns applied the transition tag to center Alex Mack, he could still maneuver his way out of Cleveland over the next few weeks.
In fact, Mack's agents are certain their phone will be ringing for the two-time Pro Bowler when free agency begins Tuesday -- and he's eager to look around.
He hasn't yet signed his tender, which is worth a guaranteed $10.039 million for the 2014 season -- a sum that would make him the highest paid center in the NFL by $2 million. The fact he hasn't signed it means he can embark on a free agency tour next week.
"With a player of Alex's caliber, we're very confident that other teams will want to speak with him,'' Tim Younger, one of Mack's agents along with lead representative Marvin Demoff, told cleveland.com. "It's an opportunity for Alex to look around, and he plans on taking advantage of that.''
Younger stressed that Demoff is very skilled in these type of negotiations, and will work hard to find the best deal for his client. The Browns will have five days to match the offer, but Demoff, a longtime super-agent, has enough expertise to make it difficult for the Browns to match.
"We're soon going to find out what's out there, but we're optimistic the interest will be there,'' Younger said.
Under terms of the tag, teams can't begin contacting Mack's reps or make offers until Tuesday. For unrestricted free agents, clubs can enter into negotiations on Saturday, but not execute a deal until Tuesday.
At least four teams could pursue Mack, 28, who's coming off a Pro Bowl season and has played all 4,998 snaps of his 80-game career. The Ravens liked him coming out of California in 2009, and are believed to still have him on their radar.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are another possible destination, because Mack's former offensive line coach George Warhop is now there, along with Mack's former college head coach, Jeff Tedford, the team's offensive coordinator. Mack loved playing for Warhop in Cleveland for five years and Warhop was one of the major reasons Mack engaged in extension talks with the Browns during the season.
Another potential landing spot is Indianapolis, where they cut their starting center Samson Satele on Thursday. Former Browns coach Rob Chudzinski is now a special assistant to head coach Chuck Pagano and will undoubtedly sing Mack's praises. He was instrumental in the Colts landing former Browns linebacker D'Qwell Jackson on Thursday.
Mack told USA Today on Thursday that he loved the Browns 2013 coaching staff.
“I like Chud and [Browns' former offensive coordinator Norv] Turner. I love Warhop,” Mack said. “I really liked where Cleveland was going. The firing came as a real surprise.”
The Raiders might also take a look at the Santa Barbara native.
If Mack signs an offer sheet from another team and the Browns match it, he'll have to play for the Browns under that contract. If not, he's likely to play under the transition tag and then have the chance to hit the market again after next year. The Browns would most likely have to tag him again to keep him, which would cost them about $12 million for the 2015 -- meaning Mack would make about $22 million over two seasons, which is the kind of money left tackles make -- not centers. The highest paid center in the NFL right now is Carolina's Ryan Kalil, who averages about $8 million a year.
If they hope to sign him to a long-term contract after next season, they'd have to pay him a signing bonus in the $15 million to $20 million range heading into seventh year.
So, the transition tag, which was designed to give the Browns a chance to work out a long-term deal, could very well be a one-and-done proposition.
Younger also said that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and general manager Ray Farmer flew to California to visit with Mack over the weekend, along with coach Mike Pettine, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and offensive line coach Andy Moeller.
"Alex was very impressed that the entire front office showed up on his doorstep and expressed to him how much they think of him,'' said Younger. "The next day, they advised him they were using the transition tag, but the door was always open for him to go back.''
Mack stressed that he'll play under the transition tag if no long-term opportunity presents itself.
“It does put us in a good position,” Mack told USA Today Sports. “It’s really good Cleveland likes me and wants me around. It could be nice to play for one year at the transition tag number. Without a doubt, they think highly of me.”
But Mack stressed that he'll approach next week like he's unrestricted free agent, and get an audience with other teams. If nothing else, clubs can do their due diligence on Mack for when he possibly hits the market again next season.
If the Browns had franchised Mack instead of transitioning him, he likely wouldn't have received much interest, because a team would've had to surrender two first-round picks to sign him. The franchise tag would've guaranteed Mack $11.654 million for 2015, but would've prevented him from showcasing himself to other teams over the next few weeks -- and from possibly being lost this season.
“It’s an interesting position to be put into to,” Mack said. “The transition tag will still allow me to see other teams, which is what we really wanted. … The goal was really to feel out my options. We wanted to know what the Browns are now about, and what other teams are doing.”
Mack also used the past tense when describing his five years with the Browns, during which the club went 23-56 and never won more than five games.
“My time in Cleveland was interesting to say the least,” Mack said. “It was never boring. But there is no guarantee anywhere you go. It’s not a given what happens in Cleveland now or for any other team.
“I like where my future is going. Mr. Haslam, he’s a really good owner. I've got a really good feeling about him. He’s a direct person who knows what he wants to do. There’s something to be said of that. It’s now a clean slate.”
Mack, who has until July 22 to sign the transition tender, stressed that he wants an opportunity to play elsewhere despite the fact the Brown can try to block him from moving.
“I have to be comfortable with (the fact they can match),” Mack said. “It’s their right. I have to weigh that into any potential decision. But I walked away from our meeting with feeling it was a good meeting. With a doubt, it’s not a bad thing to return to the Browns.
“We’ll see what happens. It’s tough to know. I don’t know how teams feel about me. I still have an opportunity to meet with coaches and experience free agency. That’s the goal. I like Cleveland; I know it. I like these new coaches. But there are other opportunities out there. You only get to play this game so long. Let’s see what else is out there.”
And if he doesn't leave this year, it's a good bet he'll be gone after 2014.
I guess that last sentence is the opinion of the writer...
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That really makes it seem like he doesnt want to be here, or at least his agent doesnt want him here.
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...But there are other opportunities out there. You only get to play this game so long. Let’s see what else is out there.
To me this translates to:
"I experienced losing and not winning. My body can only play and keep up for so long that I'd like to experience winning. Let's see what else is out there in terms of teams needing a center that have playoff chances and can win more than six games."
JMO, but he handled it very blue collar, Alex did. The kid has always been blue collar and for that, I respect it big time.
If what I preach/say is the truth, is it a crime for him to want to hop onto a ship that already has upgrades and proved it can sail? Or stay on the same unknown ship, that needs patches and many ugrades before it's sailing. People always want to label these guys as "in it for the money", and I highly doubt these people played highschool sports or anything cause sometimes, it just about the game and winning.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
I don't know if that is/isn't in accordance with the CBA. Whatever the case, it is certainly unethical...
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That really makes it seem like he doesn't want to be here, or at least his agent doesn't want him here.
His agent is just doing his job by trying to maximize the value of the contract. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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That really makes it seem like he doesn't want to be here, or at least his agent doesn't want him here.
His agent is just doing his job by trying to maximize the value of the contract. I wouldn't read too much into it.
That pretty much is all it is.
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That really makes it seem like he doesnt want to be here, or at least his agent doesnt want him here.
Reads like 95% of the FA pieces you read.. say nice things about your current team, stress that you hope to get something worked out that both sides are happy with.. conclude that if you can't you'll go somewhere else...
I read a statement by TJ Wards agent this morning that said almost the exact same thing.
What else are they supposed to say?
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
I agree with half of this and I have a feeling it's going to happen too. 
I think some team (probably the Colts) will offer a 1 year 12+ million contract. Yes it'll be an inflated amount but I think teams know that is what it'll take to get Mack away from the Browns given the tag we have on him. That team will have a converstaion with Mack explaining that the 12 million all guaranteed salary is for just 1 year and they'll set the framework right now for a future extension assuming Mack stays healthy and plays well so there are no surprises after that year is up. Then, a year later they'll sign a long-term deal in accordance with the framework they already had in place. Makes perfect sense to me given that the best alternative Mack has is staying in Cleveland on a 1 year deal anyways.
This assumes Mack really wants to get out of Cleveland though... if he doesn't then all of this is posturing and we'll eventually sign him to a long-term deal.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
He would have to have a lot of faith that he can stay healthy. You can't predict injured either. Peyton freaking Manning missed an entire year.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
I don't know if that is/isn't in accordance with the CBA. Whatever the case, it is certainly unethical...
How is this unethical? This is not any different thank a Poison pill type contract.
Besides, the point is to win the Superbowl not to make best friends.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
He would have to have a lot of faith that he can stay healthy. You can't predict injured either. Peyton freaking Manning missed an entire year.
is there a time limit that they have to meet before they can renegotiate?
I thought they could at any time?
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
I agree with half of this and I have a feeling it's going to happen too.
I think some team (probably the Colts) will offer a 1 year 12+ million contract. Yes it'll be an inflated amount but I think teams know that is what it'll take to get Mack away from the Browns given the tag we have on him. That team will have a converstaion with Mack explaining that the 12 million all guaranteed salary is for just 1 year and they'll set the framework right now for a future extension assuming Mack stays healthy and plays well so there are no surprises after that year is up. Then, a year later they'll sign a long-term deal in accordance with the framework they already had in place. Makes perfect sense to me given that the best alternative Mack has is staying in Cleveland on a 1 year deal anyways.
This assumes Mack really wants to get out of Cleveland though... if he doesn't then all of this is posturing and we'll eventually sign him to a long-term deal.
I was saying the week after they sign him to a one year deal... they renegotiate a 5 year contract.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
I agree with half of this and I have a feeling it's going to happen too.
I think some team (probably the Colts) will offer a 1 year 12+ million contract. Yes it'll be an inflated amount but I think teams know that is what it'll take to get Mack away from the Browns given the tag we have on him. That team will have a converstaion with Mack explaining that the 12 million all guaranteed salary is for just 1 year and they'll set the framework right now for a future extension assuming Mack stays healthy and plays well so there are no surprises after that year is up. Then, a year later they'll sign a long-term deal in accordance with the framework they already had in place. Makes perfect sense to me given that the best alternative Mack has is staying in Cleveland on a 1 year deal anyways.
This assumes Mack really wants to get out of Cleveland though... if he doesn't then all of this is posturing and we'll eventually sign him to a long-term deal.
I was saying the week after they sign him to a one year deal... they renegotiate a 5 year contract.
I know.. that was the half I didn't agree with lol... don't see that happening. While it may not be technically against the rules I would fully expect the league to come down hard on it. Kind of like the penalties against WAS and DAL in that uncapped year. They did nothing wrong technically but didn't matter. They still get slapped hard.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
Once Mack signs it, I would renegotiate a contract that they agreed in principal to prior to signing the one year agreement.
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How is this unethical? This is not any different thank a Poison pill type contract.
Besides, the point is to win the Superbowl not to make best friends.
It might not be untethical, but it would scream of some sort of collusion, and I would guess the league would step in.
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
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How is this unethical? This is not any different thank a Poison pill type contract.
Besides, the point is to win the Superbowl not to make best friends.
It might not be untethical, but it would scream of some sort of collusion, and I would guess the league would step in.
I agree and I'll also suggest that doing something like this is NOT the same as poison pill contracts.
A poison pill contract is a contract that the team enters into in good faith that includes provisions that are impossible for another team to fulfill. Dirty pool for sure but not unethical.
This idea above is having a team sign a contract that they know in advance they have no intention of honoring. That's basically fraud.
Very different and the league would certainly step in with a baseball bat!
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If I was a GM of a football team, I would offer Mack a one year contract for 12 mill and let the Browns either eat that or I'd know they wouldn't realistically sign it.
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How is this unethical? This is not any different thank a Poison pill type contract.
Besides, the point is to win the Superbowl not to make best friends.
It might not be untethical, but it would scream of some sort of collusion, and I would guess the league would step in.
I agree and I'll also suggest that doing something like this is NOT the same as poison pill contracts.
A poison pill contract is a contract that the team enters into in good faith that includes provisions that are impossible for another team to fulfill. Dirty pool for sure but not unethical.
This idea above is having a team sign a contract that they know in advance they have no intention of honoring. That's basically fraud.
Very different and the league would certainly step in with a baseball bat!
before poison pill contracts existed... I'm sure people felt the same way about them as this option.
I'm not saying it is any more right than that type of contract... I'm just saying there is a loophole to get that type of contract in until they close that loophole.
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I believe that most certainly would fall in line with the poison pill since you would be making an offer over double what the top C in the league makes.
Plus the other 31 owners would be furious. It would simply send up too many red flags for anyone to even consider it IMO
Not really a poison pill.
I'm not making myself clear.. sorry
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Mack says: Yaa Hoo..
Colts (or whoever): Not so fast Alex, after the first year is complete, we're going to come to you and ask you to redo you contract so we'll pay you 6.25 million a year for the last 4 years of a 5 year deal
Making your total take in the deal to be 45 million or an average of 9 mill which makes you the highest paid Center in the league.
BUT, you can't talk about it and we're not putting it in writing. It will be our little secret...
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Does that make it clear? How would anyone know that they did this side deal?
Of course, if it got out, sure, 31 other owners would go crazy on whoever did that. And yeah, it's really very far fetched.
But is it even possible?
Would anyone ever try it?
Let me repeat this, it's far fetched. Nutty in fact. But It's hard to trust NFL owners and I wouldn't put anything past them.
I think you guys are being a little too sinister in your views.
I guess my opinion is if that actually happened and Mack actually agreed to that, we are better off without him, be it no compensation. Better that than allow him to decide today is the day our QB gets killed.
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It is kind of funny that so much has been posted about what a class guy he is then suggest something like this.
You can't have both.
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No one would try anything like that. It gives the player an incredible amount of leverage. What would stop Mack from saying 'What re-structure?' with a wink after he's signed his mammoth deal.
Handshakes don't matter when it comes to money in sports. You get it in writing.
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Again, if it's NOT in the contract, why would they object.
Simply because absolutely nobody would offer a center $20million, twice the Transition Tag number, (nearly triple the highest paid contract for a center), unless something fishy is in the works.
You don't think that would raise an eyebrow?
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From page 48 of the CBA...
Section 5. Right of First Refusal for Transition Players: Any player designated as a Transition Player shall, at the expiration of his prior year Player Contract, be permitted to negotiate a Player Contract with any Club. When the Transition Player negotiates such an offer with a New Club, which the player desires to accept, he shall give to the Prior Club a completed Offer Sheet, signed by the player and the New Club, which shall contain the Principal Terms (as defined in Article 9) of the New Club's offer.
The Prior Club, within five (5) days from the date it receives the Offer Sheet, may exercise or not exercise its Right of First Refusal, which shall have the consequences set forth in Sections 3(b)-(h), 4 and 6 of Article 9 above, except that no Draft Choice Compensation shall be made with respect to such player, and, for the purposes of those provisions, the player and each Club shall otherwise have the same rights and obligations as for a Restricted Free Agent.
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It sounds like Mack and his agent think they have a chance to carve out something the Browns won't match.
I don't blame them for trying, but I think they sound a tad too optimistic.
A team negotiating with Mack has two possible conclusions:
- paying out the nose for him
- having all the work go for naught when the Browns match
So I don't think he'll draw as much interest as they think, but even then...he clearly doesn't want to be here. Signing a long term deal with a team leaves him in a game of chicken in that regard.
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Peter King sent out a series of Tweets regarding Alex Mack (who he is writing an article on): Peter King, Twitter Quote:
Agent for transition-tagged Cle C Alex Mack tells me he's "confident" he can structure pact w/a "reasonable likelihood" Browns won't match.
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Writing Mack for Tues column @themmqb. Not saying he'll get an offer at all. Just saying agent thinks he can do it if a team wants him.
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Not the point whether he wants out. Point is, if you're transition-tagged, only way to make real money is to get an offer. That's the goal.
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And I'd say the odds are against an offer for Mack. But you never know.
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man..the guy really wants to leave, why are we fighting so hard to keep a player that doesn't want to play for us?
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He's really good and we have no one to replace him.
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man..the guy really wants to leave, why are we fighting so hard to keep a player that doesn't want to play for us?
This is my whole issue with the tags, both of them. It just leaves a player with limited options. How many teams would be interviewing him right now if he didn't have the tag to be with them in the back of the mind? How many have already said no bc of it.
I respect Alex but c'mon, if the man wants to test his future elsewhere, why restrict him? And the sad part is even if Alex is here, not wanting to be here, I still think he'd give 100% effort b/c of the person he is. But still... as you said if that really is his wishes, which IMO it kind of swings that way when I read these various comments - then why push and force? It's somewhat on the shady side.
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I've never heard him say he didn't want to be here. If he didn't want to be here, I don't understand why he and his agent would have had contract negotiations with the Browns before the tag was designated.
All I've heard said is he wanted to test the FA market to gauge his value. Which he will get an opportunity to do.
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I am w/you on this one.
What if Mack suffers injuries like Courtney Brown did? What if he sucks like Timid did? What would the Browns do? Heck, how much loyalty did we show DQ?
It's a business. Get the money while you can.
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I am w/you on this one.
What if Mack suffers injuries like Courtney Brown did? What if he sucks like Timid did? What would the Browns do? Heck, how much loyalty did we show DQ?
It's a business. Get the money while you can.
It's always about that my friend.....you know I have always been about that. Hometown discount has never been a player or player agent term. It has mostly been a fan or writer term.
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I don't see that at all.
I see an agent that has to figure out a way of getting other teams to bother putting in offers otherwise he has absolutely ZERO leverage in negotiations, whether Mack is All-Pro or not.
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man..the guy really wants to leave, why are we fighting so hard to keep a player that doesn't want to play for us?
We need him.. we don't have a replacement. we drafted him, we invested time and money in him. Give me a little more time and I'll give you a bunch of other reasons. LOL
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I'm with you. I think this is agent-speak. He just knows he has to work a little harder because of the tag.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Pretty much what I expected smart Ozzie to do since they need a center:
per Rapaport:
Interesting subplot: While #Ravens wait for LT Eugene Monroe to take their deal, they plot a backup plan. It’s making a play for Alex Mack.
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The "drama" continues:
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
If #Ravens walk from Eugene Monroe, they could offer Alex Mack a deal the #Browns couldn’t match. Interesting subplot to watch
Agent speak imho or Ozzie trying to make Farmer nervous. Don't call the bluff Ray, you played that hand perfectly. Mack's agent will come begging sometime this week to get the final deal we offered....if he's too proud or if Mack really wants to leave, he'll sign the one year tender. I'd look to trade Mack then if he doesn't want to talk extension, at least get some value back...
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Have not see this posted. If the agent is saying that, it sure sounds like Mack has given him his marching orders...."Get me out of Cleveland"
Mack’s agent confident a deal can be crafted that Browns won’t match
Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2014, 1:03 AM EDT
mack2.jpg?w=241Getty Images
Last week, the Browns applied the transition tag to center Alex Mack, guaranteeing him $10 million for 2014, if/when he signs the offer. He hasn’t signed it yet.
Peter King of TheMMQB.com reported Monday that Mack’s agent is “confident” that he can structure an offer sheet with a “reasonable likelihood” the Browns won’t match. It’s important for any team that signs Mack to an offer sheet to believe the Browns won’t match it; otherwise, the new team will have negotiated Mack’s new contract for no fee or other compensation.
With the poison pill no longer available and the Browns flush with cap space, it will be hard to get the Browns not to match the offer. While Mack’s agent may believe that he knows the limits of the Browns’ budget on a long-term deal, the plan surely will be revisited if/when another team signs Mack to a long-term deal beyond anything the Browns previously have offered — especially since the Browns will receive no compensation if Mack leaves.
The negotiations become more interesting if the Rams have perhaps decided to move on from 33-year-old center Scott Wells. Mack’s agent, Marvin Demoff, is the father of Rams COO Kevin Demoff. The two of them could work together to come up with an offer that the Browns would be inclined not to match.
Or maybe the son will do the father a favor, signing Mack to an offer sheet that they both know the Browns eventually will match. In the interim, Wells perhaps could be squeezed to reduce his $5.5 million base salary.
Regardless, the smarter play for Mack seems to be taking the guaranteed $10 million for 2014 and hitting the open market in 2015, when the salary cap reaches as high as $145 million and it would cost Cleveland $12 million to restrict him for a second straight year.
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
If #Ravens walk from Eugene Monroe, they could offer Alex Mack a deal the #Browns couldn’t match. Interesting subplot to watch
Agent speak imho or Ozzie trying to make Farmer nervous. Don't call the bluff Ray, you played that hand perfectly. Mack's agent will come begging sometime this week to get the final deal we offered....if he's too proud or if Mack really wants to leave, he'll sign the one year tender. I'd look to trade Mack then if he doesn't want to talk extension, at least get some value back...
OK, without poison pills, and with the Browns having far, far more cap space than the Ravens have ...... how could they possibly structure a deal that the Browns couldn't/wouldn't want to match?
The Ravens have half the cap space we have.Unless there was an illegal poison pill, I see no way to structure a deal that the Browns could not match. Maybe the Ravens offer Mack a deal that he could opt out of next season if he chose, but that would carry a risk for the Ravens as well, if Mack decided that he didn't like the team/scheme/coaches once he got there. Any clause like that could smack the team signing the contract just as easily as it could the player's original team. Those types of provisions require an awful lot of trust ..... and who has that much trust in sports these days?
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