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Correct. But I bet we here of ton of "pending" contracts leading up to that 4pm mark.
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Just a question
I know that Revis is under contract. Obviously, if he's traded, whoever gets him has to honor his existing contract or rework it somehow. That much I think I have right.
now, if he's cut, all bets are off right. We could go in and offer him a deal and if he likes it, we've got him. Right?
Assuming I'm correct on both of those point's then:
1. How likely is it that he'll accept a redone (lower more cap friendly) contract
2. How likely is it that he'll get cut
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With everyone clamoring for a run stuffing,badrearend slobberknocker hitting ILB w/cover skills,why not insert TJ there since in almost all his best assets are as an enforcer. And this past season played up close to LOS more,so maybe we can keep one of our own core players(fans,some media) and address a filling a hole. Just thinking outside of box here and maybe keeps Joe H happier because of their friendship,then easier to extend JH contract.
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he may restructure, but will still cost a bunch. I believe his current deal allows the team to transfer his salary to a signing bonus- so that could be prorated over years. That would allow some cap strapped teams to get in on the action.
I think he'll be traded. Can't believe he didn't put a trade clause in his contract. He will really have no say on where he ends up. And some team wil give up something for him. Once again, I don't think the Bucs can play hard ball here, the cats out of the bag that they will cut him....
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I asked if that was possible and a few folks said no because he's too little.
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he's to light, he'd become a liability against the run
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Then again, I think I read somewhere that 14 starters in the last SB were FA signings, so there IS value to add obviously that can help any team.
Never said don't touch FA at all. Just so many like to play GM and build some FA dream team and actually think it will fly. As stated last 5 years or so the so call FA winner didn't MAKE the playoffs.
Copy the team that got in the SB - fill in a FA here n there for need bolster up the depth with not so costly 2nd tier vets. Let them mentor the young talent.
Never stated or insinuated FA is a bad thing and stay away as in a Cross vs. Vampires. Just be smart about it.
I'll be surprised if anyone trades for Revis.
Keep in mind we got to sign Haden. Ya think its wise to trade for that annual contract - Haden's agent is going to go to talks starting with that contract. As in you are willing to pay for Revis X amount what is Haden worth?
jmho - surprised indeed if traded for.
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j/c We have existing holes at ILB, QB, RB, WR, S, OG, and there is all of this silly talk about signing a second #1 CB?  I'll sure be glad when things shake out a bit. Things sure are getting silly about now. 4:00 can't get here soon enough. At least then there will be some things happening worthy of discussion. 
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Anyone holding on hope to us signing Ward needs to just let it go. I haven't even read that we've talked to him about contracts and today is the day.
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and the Browns are still in the mix, a league source told cleveland.com.
The Browns began talking to Ward's agent, Josh Arnold, at the NFL Scouting Combine last month, and have engaged in talks since then.
This was on page 3...We are interested in him. I don't think we will give him silly money. ??? will be - will anyone else?
jmho but we have been talking.
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and the Browns are still in the mix, a league source told cleveland.com.
The Browns began talking to Ward's agent, Josh Arnold, at the NFL Scouting Combine last month, and have engaged in talks since then.
This was on page 3...We are interested in him. I don't think we will give him silly money. ??? will be - will anyone else?
jmho but we have been talking.
Hadn't read that, but the likelihood is, he's gone.
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I just hope we don't get caught with our pants down regarding the S position.
At this point it HAS TO be one of Byrd, Ward or, at least, Whitner.
Dolphins S Clemons could be another target. Pettine should know him pretty well, as he coached in that Division and saw him. He's another SS/FS tweener that might be worth a look and be the REAL value sign at S. He's 28yo and is slightly better in coverage, more of a FS. Him and Whitner would be a good match and I'd be on board with that combo.
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Given our history, I wouldn't be surprised to end up with none of those guys on our roster. Go in the draft saying "build through the draft".
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Given our history, I wouldn't be surprised to end up with none of those guys on our roster. Go in the draft saying "build through the draft".
I might turn into an instant Farmer-hater if they try to feed us that BS. How stupid would it be to not only let an AllPro in his prime walk, but THEN instead of replacing him with a comparable vet, even waste a valuable draft pick and HOPE that some rook SOME DAY becomes as good as Ward, Whitner, Clemons etc...of course while going through the expected growing pains of 1-2 seasons with that rook.
Talk about a backwards fumble for a safety, if not TD. I don't even want to think about it
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Given our history, I wouldn't be surprised to end up with none of those guys on our roster. Go in the draft saying "build through the draft".
I might turn into an instant Farmer-hater if they try to feed us that BS. How stupid would it be to not only let an AllPro in his prime walk, but THEN instead of replacing him with a comparable vet, even waste a valuable draft pick and HOPE that some rook SOME DAY becomes as good as Ward, Whitner, Clemons etc...of course while going through the expected growing pains of 1-2 seasons with that rook.
Talk about a backwards fumble for a safety, if not TD. I don't even want to think about it
See, this is why I've decided to take a laid back, wait and see approach.. Thinking of all the things that could go wrong has me cringing inside LOL I don't see a need to get worked up
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Given our history, I wouldn't be surprised to end up with none of those guys on our roster. Go in the draft saying "build through the draft".
I might turn into an instant Farmer-hater if they try to feed us that BS. How stupid would it be to not only let an AllPro in his prime walk, but THEN instead of replacing him with a comparable vet, even waste a valuable draft pick and HOPE that some rook SOME DAY becomes as good as Ward, Whitner, Clemons etc...of course while going through the expected growing pains of 1-2 seasons with that rook.
Talk about a backwards fumble for a safety, if not TD. I don't even want to think about it
See, this is why I've decided to take a laid back, wait and see approach.. Thinking of all the things that could go wrong has me cringing inside LOL I don't see a need to get worked up
I've just learned to accept that any move the Browns make, will be the wrong one. As long as I can get drunk, enjoy the warm weather games and maybe....maybe, have a chance at winning a game I attend. I'm fine with that, I am beyond getting worked up over this trash front office carousel.
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Given our history, I wouldn't be surprised to end up with none of those guys on our roster. Go in the draft saying "build through the draft".
I might turn into an instant Farmer-hater if they try to feed us that BS. How stupid would it be to not only let an AllPro in his prime walk, but THEN instead of replacing him with a comparable vet, even waste a valuable draft pick and HOPE that some rook SOME DAY becomes as good as Ward, Whitner, Clemons etc...of course while going through the expected growing pains of 1-2 seasons with that rook.
Talk about a backwards fumble for a safety, if not TD. I don't even want to think about it
So how much would it take to overpay? 
I do agree we need to end up with one of the better players so we can at least be close to where we were at the position. It would be a blow if we decided to look for a rookie over a player hitting his prime years.
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The thing that bothers me probably most of all is, if we lose Ward, what effect will it have on getting Haden to wanna stay?
I know that's not the reason to retain a player, but it's just something that is sticking in my mind a bit
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The thing that bothers me probably most of all is, if we lose Ward, what effect will it have on getting Haden to wanna stay?
I know that's not the reason to retain a player, but it's just something that is sticking in my mind a bit
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Haden is going nowhere the next 2 seasons...
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I thought that 2014 was the last year of his contract? Am I incorrect?
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I thought that 2014 was the last year of his contract? Am I incorrect?
Joe Haden Defensive Back 7/31/2010: Signed a five-year, $42.2 million contract. The deal contains $25.6 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $4 million. An annual $200,000 workout bonus is available in years two through five. Another $8 million is available through incentives. 2014: $6,678,193, 2015: Free Agent
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Sure, and then he gets franchise tagged....he's going nowhere without premium compensation the next 2 seasons.
I'd trade off Haden with Revis, IF I can get a high pick for Haden and pay much less in terms of picks for Revis. It'd be a Madden-move, but this new FO does not seem to care much about the current locker room, maybe trying to install new culture with new leaders.
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https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/443410353977057280Browns D taking shape. Buzz inside HQ is things are getting close w/ S Donte Whitner and former Buff LB Arthur Moats
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The Browns began talking to Ward's agent, Josh Arnold, at the NFL Scouting Combine last month, and have engaged in talks since then.
This was on page 3...We are interested in him. I don't think we will give him silly money. ??? will be - will anyone else?
jmho but we have been talking.
Hadn't read that, but the likelihood is, he's gone.
Latest comment/update from the Cleveland reporter on NFL Network was that the Browns were very close to completing the terms of an agreement with Whitner. If so, likely solidifies T.J. in a different uniform. If the Revis scenario also plays out, would like the reshaped backfield. I always liked T.J.'s attitude but wish he would wrap when he tackles.
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Joe Haden Defensive Back 7/31/2010: Signed a five-year, $42.2 million contract. The deal contains $25.6 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $4 million. An annual $200,000 workout bonus is available in years two through five. Another $8 million is available through incentives. 2014: $6,678,193, 2015: Free Agent
That would mean that at the end of this season, he's a FA.
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Sure, and then he gets franchise tagged....he's going nowhere without premium compensation the next 2 seasons
Some time this week we'll have a better idea of if they can tag him next year. Some of that depends on what happens with Mack whether or not a tag will be available for Haden.
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Just remember this: Assuming Polian is right as I listened to him last night on the way home, very interesting stuff.
Last 5 years? The deemed winner of the FA signings...HAVE NOT MADE THE PLAYOFF THE FOLLOWING YEAR!
Who cares?
We haven't "won" free agency OR made the playoffs.... it's time for something to change.
Besides that.... I hate how people tout things like this as if one really has anything at all to do with the other.
Correlation is NOT causality.
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Anyone who hits FA market is a more than likely gone ordeal. Why I wish to sign Haden now. We have leverage to negotiate a deal once FA hits we lose all leverage unless there is no interest and if that is the case should we have any interest either? Especially this season with the SHOCK firing of Chud n Staff. That really hurt the players and we have to survive this season with a new inspiration then it will be back to normal. But right now worst case in that regard.
signing of Whitner - I'm not a rumor guy but certain tweets from Whitner himself pretty much gave this away as almost a done deal. For me what this means is we can KISS BYRD GOOD BYE.
Almost to a dawg here there was yeah that would be great sign Byrd and re-sign Ward. Now that we will sign Whitner, that means definite Ward is out??? Why would that change.
I think the same situation is there. Possibility is he is gone as we won't compete with silly money. Same with Mack. But if there is no silly money thrown at them we could end up signing both.
Also Peen can explain this well. But i think we have to SPEND a certain % of the cap by a certain period of time. I wish for us to do the majority of the big contracts with OUR GUYS worth the 2nd contract something we don't have much experience with outside of Joe Thomas (how Couch got his...well just ask Vers...  )
But here are two guys who played in the Pro-Bowl...they are not flashy WRs...they are Grunt hard working up the middle Pro-Bowlers. We should sign them.
I don't think Whitner replaces Ward - yes we filled a need and could go with Gipson (please stop with the GIbson that is another guy ) Whitner replaces our interest in Byrd if there were any. Ward we will continue to negotiate although most likely he will get an offer that we won't beat.
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I don't think Whitner replaces Ward - yes we filled a need and could go with Gipson (please stop with the GIbson that is another guy ) Whitner replaces our interest in Byrd if there were any. Ward we will continue to negotiate although most likely he will get an offer that we won't beat.
I'm not sure I understand this...How is Whitner not a replacement for Ward?
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I don't think Whitner replaces Ward - yes we filled a need and could go with Gipson (please stop with the GIbson that is another guy ) Whitner replaces our interest in Byrd if there were any. Ward we will continue to negotiate although most likely he will get an offer that we won't beat.
I'm not sure I understand this...How is Whitner not a replacement for Ward?
I guess we could still sign Ward, but it would be strange to have 2 starting SS (despite what Pettine might say about left/right safety). Pitt looks like they will be doing it after letting Ryan Clark go (leaving them old-Troy & Shamarko), but I don't think it's the best plan.
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I'm not sure I understand this...How is Whitner not a replacement for Ward?
I don't understand that part myself.
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Broncos are signing former Browns S TJ Ward, per sources.
Adams and Ward now.
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Broncos are signing former Browns S TJ Ward, per sources.
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Ward was one of my favorite Browns. I wish him the best of luck with his new team.
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I am reading $5.5 million per. Nothing confirmed.
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#Browns safety T.J. Ward's deal with #Broncos is worth average of $5.5 million a year, source tells http://cleveland.com .
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