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Very informative article about the draft process, the different approaches etc. Long article, but well worth the read: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/6/5473554/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-process-big-boardAfter reading that, I fear that the Browns, by default of their offseason turmoil, are well behind in preparation for this draft and that Lombardi, in fact, has very valuable informations about our scout's evaluations.
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being behind in our preparation of this draft.
This is how players with similar grades are given hierarchy on a team's board.
In one of Farmer's first presser he had stated that the Team board was more than 90% done just some tweaking that goes on after the combine. So I'm not so sure how far behind we are. Not many in the realm of organizations had an ASST. GM position that took over for the GM with a pretty seamless transition there.
Also I would like to add how are we to take that Article serious considered it was created by BILL MURRAY
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We still have all the same scouts right? We do have a different GM, but he was the Assistant GM prior. We do have some continuity there.
I'm certain every report written by every scout on every player they have evaluated is within the walls of the HQ in Berea. I'd bet that Lombardi has a copy of each one as well.
But here's the thing. Lombardi has never demonstrated the ability to use scouting reports to pick great players. So I'm not getting the feeling we'll not miss a beat without Lombardi.
Just my gut reaction. Still, it was a good read. Thanks
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I agree with you tab. this is not a big deal. to me it comes down to would you want Lombardi or farmer making the picks. I would think about that more than a 1/8 of a second.
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I'm just not so sure with Lombardi working for the Patriots, just how "valuable" that information is. Their schemes, needs and way that they draft certainly isn't in line with ours. I've said it before, if he were with a team that ran the same schemes we did or were drafting directly in front of us in this draft, I would be concerned. But the Patriots had their own scouts and evaluations in place before Lombardi even got there. It was a very good read and I appreciate the link. 
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The only benefit I see is if he knows how we rank players in term of what round...
If they want a guy in the 4th, but know we have a 4th round grade on him, and pick in front of them.. Then they know they may have to trade up..
So if they trade directly in front of us a few times.. Then I might put a call into Goodells office if I'm Jimmy...
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We still have all the same scouts right?
First thing that popped into my head too. As Jimmy Haslam said in his introductory presser with Ray is that Ray has been on the team and it isn't much of a change that people were making it to be. Not like we brought in someone all new to the organization, just a promoting of within.
I'm pretty sure all our scouts are the same, be awesome if someone could confirm that 100%. Plus, it isn't like Lombardi/Banner had several single face-to-face talks with Mike that are now gone or needing redone or anything of that nature. I just don't see it as a step-back or potential loss of info/data/whatever cause Lombardi is gone. Probably more streamlined/efficient if anything.
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I can see that as a remote possibility, but not much of a possibility. With the Pats playing different schemes and having different needs, I don't see the two teams draft boards and needs as being similar enough for such a scenario.
And the scenario you laid out, as you eluded to, would send up far too many red flags IMO
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Most scout contracts run from Draft to Draft...so even if a total new guy with a new look came on board almost always (outside of maybe a right hand man hiring) there is stability in the scouting department. After the draft you will see some reconstruction if it is wanted by the new guy.
So no 100% factoid...but unless somebody was caught giving out leaks...they are intact with the team. 
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It is an advantage for the Pats knowing pretty much who Farmer likes and the true values of that like and who he doesnt. How big of an advantage remains to be seen.
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I don't care much if only the Pats knew, but knowing the snake or "lightning rod" Lombo is, you can almos bet that he's gonna "leak" some probably compromising stuff....if not officially, then in "league circles" to stay cool with some of his pals.
It's like any other business. Information gives you an edge or in our case, if your info is spread around, it puts you in an uncomfy situation
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Meh, I think it's not a whole lot to worry about. He doesn't have any idea who we're looking at in free agency, and nobody knows who we'll actually be able to lock up.... and those things will go a LONG way in setting the final Draft board (or, at least the "need" side of it - it won't affect player ratings).
Besides that, given his historically craptastic draft evaluations, I would have happily tossed out anything and everything he worked on, anyway.... and I wouldn't call it a setback. So, the amount of what he knows on us may be significant, but it is also outdated and a lot of that information is time-sensitive.... as in, his time here is over, and thus his evaluations of players is generally for crap now.
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I agree my friend. This is tin hat stuff that Lombardi is somehow going to blow up our draft.
Maybe it impacts a pick. Well, guess what, lot's of hopeful picks are going to snatched up somewhere along the line, then we snatch some other teams pick.
I doubt Belicheck is going to ask Lombo who we want in round 2 so he can take him in round 1....and so on.....and I doubt Lombo starts calling teams above us to
leak" information.....and if he did, I also believe there is a code of ethics....I doubt many GM's would entertain discussions with Lombardi about Cleveland.
Good Gosh....let the draft get here so this madness can end already. Geesh!
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Maybe it impacts a pick. Well, guess what, lot's of hopeful picks are going to snatched up somewhere along the line, then we snatch some other teams pick.
I doubt Belicheck is going to ask Lombo who we want in round 2 so he can take him in round 1....and so on.....and I doubt Lombo starts calling teams above us to
leak" information.....and if he did, I also believe there is a code of ethics....I doubt many GM's would entertain discussions with Lombardi about Cleveland.
Good Gosh....let the draft get here so this madness can end already. Geesh!
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Maybe it impacts a pick. Well, guess what, lot's of hopeful picks are going to snatched up somewhere along the line, then we snatch some other teams pick.
I doubt Belicheck is going to ask Lombo who we want in round 2 so he can take him in round 1....and so on.....and I doubt Lombo starts calling teams above us to
leak" information.....and if he did, I also believe there is a code of ethics....I doubt many GM's would entertain discussions with Lombardi about Cleveland.
Good Gosh....let the draft get here so this madness can end already. Geesh!
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Maybe it impacts a pick. Well, guess what, lot's of hopeful picks are going to snatched up somewhere along the line, then we snatch some other teams pick.
I doubt Belicheck is going to ask Lombo who we want in round 2 so he can take him in round 1....and so on.....and I doubt Lombo starts calling teams above us to
leak" information.....and if he did, I also believe there is a code of ethics....I doubt many GM's would entertain discussions with Lombardi about Cleveland.
Good Gosh....let the draft get here so this madness can end already. Geesh!
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I agree with your quote, though, too. 
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Very informative article about the draft process, the different approaches etc. Long article, but well worth the read:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/6/5473554/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-process-big-board
After reading that, I fear that the Browns, by default of their offseason turmoil, are well behind in preparation for this draft and that Lombardi, in fact, has very valuable informations about our scout's evaluations.
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So exactly how many successful drafts has Farmer conducted?
What experience does he have in scouting collegiate players?
What was his track record when he was evaluating NFL talent?
So, if you are being honest...................exactly why are you so confident? Do you really think that saying "he can't be worse than Lombardi" is a good answer?
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I have confidence in Farmer because of what others in the NFL think of him. Does he have a long standing record to fall back on .... nope. Could he end up being great, or a flop.... YEP. He was involved in the drafts in KC, he was a Scout. This is his chance to prove himself so we shall see over the next few years.
Lombardi had his 1st and second chance and he screwed the pooch every time.IMO we had no chance with Lombardi involved and we have a chance with Farmer. that's the difference I see bro.
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So far I think he is failing as GM. DQ and Ward were 2 of our best 3 defensive players last year and now the most we can hope for is to overpay for a lateral move with someone that is probably trying to land that last big payday before their career is over.
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I thought he scouted professional players in KC?
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he was a scout with the falcons from 2002 till 2006
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I am not overly excited right now either bud, but I am willing to give him a chance
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We still have all the same scouts right? We do have a different GM, but he was the Assistant GM prior. We do have some continuity there.
I'm certain every report written by every scout on every player they have evaluated is within the walls of the HQ in Berea. I'd bet that Lombardi has a copy of each one as well.
But here's the thing. Lombardi has never demonstrated the ability to use scouting reports to pick great players. So I'm not getting the feeling we'll not miss a beat without Lombardi.
Just my gut reaction. Still, it was a good read. Thanks
And, who's to say that the players that Banner & Lombardi liked are the same ones that Farmer and Pettine like?
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well behind in preparation for this draft and that Lombardi, in fact, has very valuable informations about our scout's evaluations.
If bill belichick and the Pats are worried about the Browns and how we'll draft, I'll take that as a sign that we're doing alright.
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We still have all the same scouts right? We do have a different GM, but he was the Assistant GM prior. We do have some continuity there.
I'm certain every report written by every scout on every player they have evaluated is within the walls of the HQ in Berea. I'd bet that Lombardi has a copy of each one as well.
But here's the thing. Lombardi has never demonstrated the ability to use scouting reports to pick great players. So I'm not getting the feeling we'll not miss a beat without Lombardi.
Just my gut reaction. Still, it was a good read. Thanks
And, who's to say that the players that Banner & Lombardi liked are the same ones that Farmer and Pettine like?
Nobody can say that which is why worrying about Lombardi and what he knows isn't all that big a deal to me.
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So exactly how many successful drafts has Farmer conducted?
What experience does he have in scouting collegiate players?
What was his track record when he was evaluating NFL talent?
So, if you are being honest...................exactly why are you so confident? Do you really think that saying "he can't be worse than Lombardi" is a good answer?
Really?
you can ask all those exact questions about Lombardi and Banner.. And not get a great feel for their skills either,
It can't be proven that Banner ever picked a player,,
It can be proven that Lombardi isn't exactly exceptional at being a GM..
So ask yourself, why not Farmer?
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to me, it sounds reasonable "he can't be worse than Lombardi"
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Mour, I think you are pretty much spot on in most cases. However, I think you miss on this one. DQ just out priced himself, not to mention he's getting up there in age. Plus it seems he did not want to be here, kinda hard to keep a guy when they want to run. We can and will do better. TJ, remains to be seen. Does he want to be here? Or is it the $$, and he thinks he is all pro? A lot of talk out there about he's not all that on coverage. Maybe Coach wants a different style of player. Why over pay for someone you don't really want? Just cause a few guys decide to split, does not mean the GM is failing, He's trying to be smart and trying to sign guys that want to be here long term. The sky's not falling yet. I really like this FO, we need to let it run awhile before we blow it up again. I know that's not what you said per se, but you do have to give these guys a chance.
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A question to those that understand this stuff better.
If we lose TJ and since we've lost DQ will we gain compensatory picks in the draft?
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A question to those that understand this stuff better.
If we lose TJ and since we've lost DQ will we gain compensatory picks in the draft?
We get nothing for DQ since he was cut.
If we lose TJ we get nothing for him unless we have one more free agent (not cut) lost through FA above the vet minimum than free agents gained above the vet minimum.
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We've already signed three FA for above-minimum deals. That means at least four of our FAs would have to get non-minimum deals for us to get a comp.
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So exactly how many successful drafts has Farmer conducted?
What experience does he have in scouting collegiate players?
What was his track record when he was evaluating NFL talent?
So, if you are being honest...................exactly why are you so confident? Do you really think that saying "he can't be worse than Lombardi" is a good answer?
Really?
I'm not real confidant that this regime, or the last one, or the one before that, or the one before that was going to get much right... I'll know one gets it right the same time you will.. after they get it right.
For what it's worth, I heard Herm Edwards on the radio this morning singing Farmer's praises and stating he is confidant that the Browns will have a good draft.. he worked with Farmer a few years back.... in the same conversation Mark Schlereth was talking about much talent the Browns have and could be just a couple important pieces (read: quarterback) away from being competitive... It was very uplifting to hear some in the national media speaking highly of the Browns and not using them as a punchline to a bad joke...
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So far I think he is failing as GM. DQ and Ward were 2 of our best 3 defensive players last year and now the most we can hope for is to overpay for a lateral move with someone that is probably trying to land that last big payday before their career is over.
I actually think Whitner and Dansby is a better pair than TJ and DQ...
Whitner is what TJ wishes he could be, a hard hitting safety that can occasionally cover, the difference is Whitner knows HOW to hit, and when to actually wrap up...
Plus Dansbys contract is super friendly, yeah we're paying a lot the first two years, but that allows us to cut him basically for free in the last two years if we need too... Add to that I think he's better overall than Jackson, and I love DQ..
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Thanks Cleve, that explains it.
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