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You left out "take the gun he uses a car bomb" 
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I think everybody knows my views on gun control, being a avid hunter.
Gun control wouldnt take the guns out of the criminals hands, they dont follow laws now, what make ya think controling gun is suddenly gonna make them law biding citizens, Wait there's gun control now, in order to buy & carry this gun i have to register...common, what it does is take the guns out of us law bieding people who hunt, protect our families and follow laws,
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When you live in the sticks nobody bothers you. Why??? because they know your blow there fool heads off and bury them in the back 40 
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When you live in the sticks nobody bothers you. Why??? because they know your blow there fool heads off and bury them in the back 40
Back behind the barn, with the hogs. chickens, and your sisters first boyfriend who was all hands at the saidy hawkin's dance...
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My comments about guns are only response to the birdbrains who invariably proclaim that guns are the problem and how we need to gather them.
I can take that on board Peen...and i'd lump those people in with the loony lefties who would also blame video games and Marilyn Manson.
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I am willing to give up a few rights....or modifications to some rights as the world culture changes......but this isn't one of them. No way, no how....or as some would say, over my dead body.
Not a total ban (un-enforcable at this point obviously) but tougher laws and procedures surely? How else do you weed out the nut-jobs.
Take a look at the time-line i posted. How many of those shooters were not of an age to drink, smoke or sit behind the wheel. Yet they gained access to fire-arms? I just don't understand that at all.....
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In case you missed it,there's a HUGE thread about the killings. And this is a side issue that was given its own thread.This was NOT the first response,but an after thought.
We have hearts and souls. But we also understand the aftermath of such occurrences. The grief of man is used as a tool as a means to an end.
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The grief of man is used as a tool as a means to an end. It happenned after 9/11 while our government slowly eroded our rights in the name of freedom.
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I will use a line from someone's signature I always liked, "saying guns kill people is like saying pencils are responsible for spelling errors" or something like that
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It is already happening... folks blaming the guns, some folks calling for the President to be fired for mishandling the situation, etc....
I have a wild and wacky idea... let's blame the shooter. I mean just for fun, let's pretend this is HIS FAULT AND ONLY HIS FAULT.... Beyond that, let's allow the investigators to do their job and reach some conclusions based on actual facts instead of knee jerk speculation, THEN we can decide what the factors might be that we CAN control and what the appropriate response might be.....
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Sorry DC,just saw people discussing their rights and the constitution. Funny how selective that is these days.  I guess it's only when the government might come to your door and takes things before it finaly hits home. But maybe if people would consider the steps taken BEFORE it comes to that,and stop it before it can go quite that far,we'd all be better off?
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It is already happening... folks blaming the guns, some folks calling for the President to be fired for mishandling the situation, etc....
I have a wild and wacky idea... let's blame the shooter. I mean just for fun, let's pretend this is HIS FAULT AND ONLY HIS FAULT.... Beyond that, let's allow the investigators to do their job and reach some conclusions based on actual facts instead of knee jerk speculation, THEN we can decide what the factors might be that we CAN control and what the appropriate response might be.....
What he said ...
And everyone wants to throw the blame at the 2nd amendment whenever something like this happens. How about we throw the blame at the first amendment as well? I mean, if the press wouldn't bloodlustly report these things and "glorify" every Columbine shooter that pops up ... we probably wouldn't get these nut jobs that want to go out in some crazy blaze of glory trying to make a name for themself. 
And why do we do this everytime something terrible happens? I hear the media blaming Va Tech for not doing enough during the shootings ... as if they knew this guy was going to go around shooting whoever after the first killings. For all they knew it was just a standard homicide at the time. But that doesn't stop people in the media from being Monday morning Quarterbacks and saying, "Well they should of done this" ... we'll just ignore the fact that the press couldn't even get the number of dead correct for 6 hours. 
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Pit, a lot of people are aware of their rights and any attempted erosion of them... it's just that some people hold some rights more sacred than other rights... I know women who would fight to the death to defend their right to abortion but could care less (or might even be happy) if somebody came and took your guns... people are just selective that way.
Me personally, I don't own guns, never have. I respect gun owners rights, but it's not a big cause for me and I don't think it should be taken away... what gets me is when they start taking away my right to raise my children as I see fit.... so I'm just as selective as anybody else.... in the end they all matter to me, just some more than others.... and I fully understand how erosion of some can bleed over into erosion of others.... which is why we should all be vigilant...
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Thanks DC. The "bleeding over" and "vigilant" part were the points I was making. I'm a gun owner and have guns burried,packed in grease. Along with hermedicaly sealed cases of ammo.  I'm a hunter (I've even hunted more than Romney!) I target shoot and plan to hand down that tradition to my grandchildren. My oldest grandson will be twelve in August and We shoot a high powered pellet rifle (made off of an SKS press) together now. As he gets older,I have a Ruger Mark IV target pistol (.22cal.) that he will progress to. If he enjoys hunting.I will gladly work with him and put him through gun safety school. The problem is,people overlook the hundreds of thousands of people who are responsible gun owners because of a very small minority of irresponsible ones. I have weaponry for all occasions. From target shooting,to hunting. From home protection,to the ability to helping defend our nation in case of a foreign attack or social uprising. I will keep those weapons at all costs! I value ALL of my rights. As has been stated in this thread,many people have fought and died to protect our rights. I'll die kicking and screaming before I give up on them. All of them.
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Did you ever notice that guns are exactly like cars,,,,,, in the wrong hands, they are lethal weapons! So I suggest we ban cars,,,, anyone with me on that? 
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Did you ever notice that guns are exactly like cars,,,,,, in the wrong hands, they are lethal weapons! So I suggest we ban cars,,,, anyone with me on that?
guns dont hurt the enviroment like cars, so I guess they are safer.
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take the gun he grabs a knife, take the knife he grabs a tire iron, take that he grabs a rock,
If i were a betting man, this latest nut job doesn't massacre 30 plus and injure scores more with a tyre iron in like 3 hours or whatever time it was......
Be interesting to find out details on how he came by these weapons and what the vetting process was, if any.
I could be wrong...but I think as a foreign visa holder he probably wasn't elligible to get the guns legally in the US.
I'm not anti-gun but i think I see what you are getting at. The arguments for both sides are so good it's hard to debate. Clearly the majority of guns used in crimes were not purchased legally. On the other hand with guns being common they are easier to come by illegally.
Perhaps a middle ground of laws to punish the owner of a gun if it's used in a crime. You want to own it you should ensure it is secured. Dunno that sounds wrong to me too.
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Riddler your point of view is not unusual one nor is it strange to ask why the USA has such an outrageous number of murders by firearms.
There is an absolute problem here but it cannot be blamed solely upon easy access to guns. Our history is one where rightly or wrongly we took over lands which belonged to native Americans or simply brush land and protected it with firearms to the bitter end. A spirit of defiance of encrouchment upon our property rights and gun rights are intertwined historically and constitutionally.
Decades of exposure to glorifing "the good guys" in movies who shot up and killed all the villians with six guns just solidifies the protectionist mentality of Americans.
This doesn't mean we will kill people with guns just because we saw that in the movies but it has been a staple of entertainment which creeps into our feelings unconsciously and we take pride in our ability to act defensively if necessary.
So what happens is that a normal reaction[responsible gun ownership] can become perverted by criminals and or mental defectives who find easy access from other criminals who fail to be responsible with guns.
Until we make illegal gun ownership/concealment a capital crime when coupled with any other illegal activity we won't come close to ending the disasters.
Why do they pick on schools to rampage...maybe the school represents some unfair authority model in their wacko mind. We are still trying to figure out why years ago Postal Employees were apt to shot up their bosses and fellow workers.
America is a very flawed land and it has never been a perfect place but if we put the hammer down on gun crimes or even illegal possession of a gun we can begin to sort out the causes.
I am still of the belief that gun ownership and licensed possession/concealment of a handgun after a background check may be the best deterent to repeated events like at Va. Tech.
Yes, I do mean that if Virginians are licensed to carry concealed weapons while in the state of Virginia, and they are, college students should not be exempted from this right,responsibility simply because they attend college.
The idea that college kids who get drunk on the weekends on campus will shoot up the town is foolish....these kids don't do that on summer break so why on campus?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shootingThe above story states that the guns both had serial numbers filed off. That doesn't necessarily mean the shooter didn't do it himself, but also could kmean that these guns were not exactly obtained through lawful means.
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PitDawg..I owe ya a beer someday, nicely put, majority of us hunter / gun owners are responcible and educated in gun safety and handling, just because we own uns dosent mean we keep it in the back window of our pick-up truck along side the ammo.
it's easier and a quicker way out to say ban guns, than to really point out the root of the problem, It's easier to bitch about the guns than correct the problem with the people.
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what was I thinking,, the anti gun lobby all drive cars,,, so it will never happen...
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what was I thinking,, the anti gun lobby all drive cars,,, so it will never happen...
Well they have to get to the rally SOMEHOW don't they?
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Not a total ban (un-enforcable at this point obviously) but tougher laws and procedures surely? How else do you weed out the nut-jobs.
There are already forms to fill and waiting periods.
People can get guns if they want to do so illegally without following current procedures. Adding more burden to gun shop owners and people who want to own a gun isn't going to do anything about the "nut-jobs" you mention.
There is really no way to weed them out. A perfectly normal person with no history might snap at some point....you can't prevent that, and lets face it....someone who does something like this isn't "normal". They either have a mental imbalance of some sort or are some radical making some sort of political/religious statement.
People like to point fingers......well, sometimes there is no place to point...sometimes stuff happens.
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I want to own a gun....for a little peace of mind. Doesn't mean I'm going to run around and go on a shooting spree. My father and grandfather both taught me to shoot shotguns and rifles-- targets and clay pigeons. When I do finally purchase a hand gun, I will take the safety courses and be sure I know how to use it properly.
But, I'll be damned if ANYONE should be able to tell me I don't have the right to defend myself against someone else that has a gun. That's just stupid.
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Might I make a suggestion?
There's a place on Tipp Elizabeth Rd called "Old English Gun Shop. It's off of 25A (North Dixie Dr.) just north of Vandailia.
They're not the cheapest in town by any means. But they do have a well educated staff there that can help you in making a decision on what type of gun is right for you. They can and will be happy to explain the different types of ammunition and how it reacts on impact. ie.....target rounds,self protection ammo,etc.....
Even if you decide not to purchase a gun from them,I think you will find it well worth the visit. They are very informative and well versed in guns and gun safety. I'm sure they would be very good in helping point you in the right direction if nothing else.
JMHO
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Thanks! I'll save your post so I have it in the future! 
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1. If we didn't have guns available to us, this kid, most likely an engineering student, was more than capable of producing a bomb.
2. Taking away guns from citizens, just increases the ratio of illegal guns vs legal guns. Criminals will find a way to get them. It's not like nuclear warheads and missiles are sold at WalMart, but someone people get them to sell on the black market.
3. Maybe it's time we put justice back in the hands of the communities. Community "A" tries you, judges you, then takes you out to the town center where they expire you for all to see. Your going to think twice about committing a crime in this town.
Barbaric? Maybe, but the current legal system is full of loopholes that are abused by greedy lawyers, and even when sentenced, they spend years fighting their sentence at the cost of the taxpayers, both in legal fees and room and board. Meanwhile, many prisons are better living conditions that most of our countries citizens living in poverty.
4. Video games? Movies? Rather than a study to see if kids that play violent video games are aggressive, hyper, violent. Why not a study to see if aggressive, hyper, angry kids tend to prefer violent video games over Mario World?
I don't think Ted Bundy played video games.
5. Let's not air this perpetrator. Talk about the incident and the victims, make no mention of the suspect, his life, etc. As much as curiosity draws you to want to know about him and what made him tick, let's not give him any unearned fame or notoriety.
The guns aren't the problem, the problem is society in itself. We have been raising a generation of youth that have never had to take responsibility for themselves are their actions. They are protected from everything as small children, then grow up and are faced with the real world, unprepared to deal with it's harshness.
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We have been raising a generation of youth that have never had to take responsibility for themselves are their actions. They are protected from everything as small children, then grow up and are faced with the real world, unprepared to deal with it's harshness.
I agree with this totally. Not allowing little league teams to WIN or LOSE because it might hurt their little feelings?? 
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I want to own a gun....for a little peace of mind.
I will be glad to help you anyway I can if you need some help.
My personal feeling is all homes should have at least 1 handgun and 1 shotgun for security purposes..but the real run is just being able to go out shooting...it is loads of fun plunking cans and different targets or shooting clays.
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I love target shooting. It's fun stuff! One day I'll get my dad's shotguns and rifles, so that will be covered. He's got a hand gun, but I doubt it's registered and my guess is it's too big for me anyway.
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People like to point fingers......well, sometimes there is no place to point...sometimes stuff happens.
That is such a true statement,,, I couldn't agree more!
You know, there are some very good people out there that are attempting to do the wrong thing for all the right reasons.. Some of them have thier hearts in the right place and only have the safety of individuals in mind.. These (f you can identify them) aren't the people to be angry with...
Then there are those that will look at this and seek to exploit it for thier own gain.. either financial or political or both.. These people (again, if you can identifyl them) are not the ones that I want leading our nation or any part of it.
The latter are people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson over this Imus thing.. Both have called New York and New Yorkers names that were offensive.. Yet, they still have the nerve to call out Imus.. These are the kind of leaders that need to be shown the door so to speak!
The above is JMO,,, if you don't like it,,, it's OK with me!
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Possessing a firearm carries a minimum sentence of five years. For those aged between 17 and 21, the minimum is three years.
A report by the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College, London, last year found that illegal handguns were being used more frequently in crimes. The number involving firearms in England and Wales increased from 13,874 in 1998/99 to 21,521 in 2005/06.
So that's an increase of 55% in 7 years.....That's one of the types of stats I was looking for when I said some folks I know from the UK have said that gun crimes have increased with stiffer laws. It doesn't stop the criminals.
I'm not going to pretend to have an answer. If I did have the answer, there are enough smarter people than me who would have already come up with it. I do know that gun's don't go walking down the street looking for people to kill. People do.
I do have problems with assault weapons. Nothing "sporting" in an assault weapon. To me it has one use. To kill people. Not a fan of hollow point bullets either. Again, what's the use?
New technology (finger print ID) may someday allow for only the legal owner to fire a weapon. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it would take 200 years for the "old weapons" to get off the streets. I don't think even huge cash for "no questions asked" gun turn in would eliminate the guns from the drug trade or the gang bangers.
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Probably because he doesn't have to....nor would you unless you want a carry permit which you would apply for at the County Sheriffs Dept.
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So, if I kept it beside my bed I wouldn't need to register it?
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No. here is a good site.....it is set up by the goofballs who want gun control....but it gives a good idea of the laws in various states. Just click a state to see the current laws and note the grade given by state.....IMO states with a F are good...Ohio rates a D-....Tennessee a D+, so Ohio is more gun friendly than Tennessee..Alabama is an F...maybe I will move there. Just don't sign up for any of their anti-NRA stuff...just use the site. OOPs.... http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/
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I'm not a gun owner, nor do I particularly like guns .... but people should have their right to own a gun protected. If you remove suicides from the equation, guns kill far fewer people per year than the flu or cars do. I believe that responsible gun owners are a strong deterrent to criminal behavior .... and besides .... I'm not about to tell my 73 year old mother that she has to live alone, and give up her gun. What do you think I am ..... crazy????
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So, if I kept it beside my bed I wouldn't need to register it?
You might want to also check with your municipality. I know you don't live in the city of Dayton,but some cities have their own set guideline as well. I believe where you live,that you'd be fine. But it deserves looking into IMO
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Marine Corps General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other day and you'll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!!!!
This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended. You gotta love the Marines!
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I've seen that before, it isn't true, but it's funny.
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