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web page CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It's a "serious possibility'' that the Browns will sign Texans veteran quarterback Matt Schaub to compete with Brian Hoyer, a league source told cleveland.com. Schaub, an 11th-year pro, flourished under Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan in Houston, playing some of his best ball under the Browns' new playcaller. A two-time Pro Bowler, Schaub spent three seasons with Shanahan in Houston in from 2007-2009, with Shanahan serving as his quarterbacks coach in 2007 and offensive coordinator in 2008-09. The Texans might release Schaub, 32, because he's due to make $10 million in 2014. CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora and nfl.com's Ian Rapoport have both reported the Browns' possible interest in the veteran passer. The Raiders and Jets are also reportedly interested. In 2009, Schaub led the NFL in passing yards (4,770) and completions (396) that year, earning a 98.6 rating. He also earned Pro Bowl MVP honors. Schaub, who knows the intricacies of Shanahan's West Coast system, would step in and compete with Hoyer, who's ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Schaub fell out of favor in Houston last season when he went 2-6 and threw 10 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He also endured a stretch of four straight games with a pick-six and earned a 73.0 rating -- his lowest as a starter. But in 2012, Schaub enjoyed one of the best seasons of his career, throwing for 4,008 yards and guiding the Texans to a 12-4 mark. Along the way, he threw for 22 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 90.7 rating. It was the third time in four years that Schaub threw for more than 4,000 yards. Overall, Schaub has gone 46-44 in his 10-year career, compared to 3-1 for Hoyer, who was brought in by the since-departed Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi. The Browns, who own the No. 4 overall pick, and the Texans, who have the No. 1 overall selection, could both end up drafting quarterbacks with their top picks. New Texans coach Bill O'Brien also coached Hoyer in New England and likes him. It wouldn't be surprising for O'Brien to make a pitch for the Cleveland native, but coach Mike Pettine has praised Hoyer since taking the job and it's unknown if the Browns would part with him. But one thing is certain: Shanahan knows how to bring out the best in Schaub. In his three seasons under Shanahan, his ratings were 87.2, 92.7 and 98.6.
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I'm torn here...
on one hand I want us to draft our own franchise QB. Otoh, I only really like Bridgewater and the chances of him being available to us are slim or at least well under 50%, so you can't hang your hat on that if you're the GM.
I also think that Schaub is over-hated. He's NOT the next Delhomme. Some of you shoud compare their careers:
- Schaub had 5 (!) consecutive seasons as a starter with a QBr north of 90, Delhomme had one
- Schaub has a significantly lower career INT% and much better TD:INT ratio
- Delhomme was 2-3 years older than Schaub now
- Schaub's career comp% is almost 5% higher than Delhomme's. That's another planet
- his adjusted net yds AVG per PA is almost a whole yard higher than Delhomme's (7.3 to 6.5). Again, that's another level.
He would be a good low-risk signing if he gets cut imho, regardless of what we do in the draft. I could be ok with two scenarios:
1. sign Schaub to start/compete with Hoyer short/mid term, draft a mid round rook like Murray to groom OR
2. sign Schaub, STILL draft a QB high and trade Hoyer. Basically switching Hoyer with Schaub and a pick looks like good value to me.
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Delhomme 2.0
no way in heck do we succeed w/ this guy.
If the Browns don't want to invest a high first round pick in a QB.. then get one in the later rounds.. ie Aaron Murray, Tajh Boyd and let them compete with Hoyer.
This guy is garbage.
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It may all be smoke screen. We''ll probably know soon enough. Sammy Watkins is looking better and better though. 
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...might be a good move
...it would remove the need to draft a QB
...give the Browns an experienced QB who at the least would be an insurance policy should Hoyer be injured.
...if Hoyer is not ready to start, Schaub, who played in Shanahan's offense, could step right in and start.
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I am torn on this one as well. Was last year the beginning of the end of his career or was last year an anomaly?
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Bringing in Schaub, to me at least, is the equivalent of Delhomme 2.0.
- washed up vet
-declining arm strength
-decreased mobility
- turnover machine, etc.
I'm not sure why so many state, he or others, 'could teach Shannahan's offense' when on numerous occasions our coaching staff has stated they will tailor their scheme to fit the players skill set.
Additionally, Schaub is not going to come here, in my opinion, to be the third string. Therefore, this would likely mean we are dealing Hoyer or not drafting a QB high in the draft and rather draft a developmental prospect.
To me Schaub is a sure fire way to set the franchise back yet another couple years. I'll pass.
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But one thing is certain: Shanahan knows how to bring out the best in Schaub. In his three seasons under Shanahan, his ratings were 87.2, 92.7 and 98.6.
This tips the balance into the plus column for me. But he would have to come in and win the job - no guarantees of a starting role.
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I know I mentioned this in another thread, was listening to Polian on ESPN radio. He stated there is a new position coming to the NFL.
Bridge QB...this is a QB who will play with decent management of the offense and get results while the young draft QB will learn and get ready to start their era.
He stated that he knows there was his Manning and others thrown in there year one but it doesn't make it right.
He also stated that they are thrown in there in a sink or swim attitude and more often than not they SINK.
??? Now do we need two Bridge QBs? Hoyer and Schaub?
We'll see what the Texans do...first they got to release him and they have not done that yet, unless I missed something.
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well, i'm taking it as the FO and coach seriously don't want whatever QB we draft to even think he's going to start out the gate this season.
cool with me.
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i'd be ok with this. Hoyer is still a huge unknown. At least Schaub has years of experience. I really only see one QB at 4 (Teddy)- and he should be gone. After that its just no point in reaching for one, that will set the franchise back years.
I'd think it would actually be a good thing to have Schaub and Hoyer and draft Murray...... Could PUP Murray and still bring in yet another QB....
And I still wonder what Pettin thinks of Sanchez- their paths crossed with the Jets. He would have as good a read on him as anyone.
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I agree, nothing handed to him...
But the contract must fit the role...
...he is a 10 yr vet who is 32 yrs old...he is closer to the end of his career and the contract should be fair, but not over the top...because he may not be the Browns starting QB.
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But one thing is certain: Shanahan knows how to bring out the best in Schaub. In his three seasons under Shanahan, his ratings were 87.2, 92.7 and 98.6.
This tips the balance into the plus column for me. But he would have to come in and win the job - no guarantees of a starting role.
Sure the number were good, but that was what 7, 6 and 5 years ago? Schaub is done in my opinion, especially mentally. I'd rather we see what we have in Hoyer and/or develop our own draft pick. I don't have the desire to try and turn one man's trash into our treasure.
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if Pettine believes Sanchez can be successful in any regard I think he'll be here. We have connections to both he and Schaub, so if we like them at all we'll get them.
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I can't see how we would bring in Schaub or Sanchez... Just doesn't make sense, unless they are THAT sold on Hoyer...
I think it will be Hoyer as your starter with a QB drafted either at 4 or somewhere in between that and your additional 3rd round pick...
Good article though if you are trying to throw people off the scent of one of these top QB prospects..
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I am torn on this one as well. Was last year the beginning of the end of his career or was last year an anomaly?
Mour. It is a question for sure but this kid lit it up before last year. WTH happened to him last year? Prior to that when Houston's defense stunk up the joint, at least Schaub was clutch.
Wondering aloud here. Bortles? Hopefully he lights it up next week at Pro Day. This could be good for Bridgewater being there at 4. Or Manziel. Possibly even Bortles. I take Bortles all day long and let him sit this year.
We NEED a Vet. Schaub makes all the sense in the world having been with Shanahan.
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Can we please stop picking up other teams garbage? If signing Schaub means we aren't thinking about drafting a QB, I am 100% against it.
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Can we please stop picking up other teams garbage? If signing Schaub means we aren't thinking about drafting a QB, I am 100% against it.
I don't see that as the case...as EO pointed out, bridge QB. Schaub and Hoyer can compete....good insurance either way it goes...and draft a QB. I keep thinking back to Farmer saying he know's who he would take...this was before he was the GM....he went on to say it might not be one of the guys you'd think.
Maybe there is a guy he wants later in the draft...might be at 26....might be in the 3rd round...who knows....but a guy who wouldn't be the type to step right in....a few years of seasoning has shown to have value.
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I'd puke.
On the wrong side of 30 (will be 33 in June) and coming off a terrible year, this is the LAST guy I want anywhere on our depth chart.
I don't see why we need a "bridge QB". We have Hoyer and we have the 4th pick in the draft. It's a draft where we're likely get a average-to-good QB. Why bother with a washed up vet for a year or two?
If he's signing on to be the #3 guy, okay. I could see a "I'll help Hoyer be ready for the opener and mentor your #4 pick until he's ready" kind of thing. But that's it. Anything other than that and I'll straight up puke. Ugh.
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The age bothers me at some positions, but not QB. Even if we signed him to a 4 year deal, age IMO wouldn't be the factor for poor play.
If he has lost it or something like that, then sure. I guess we will just have to trust the coachings staffs thoughts on the matter.
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I'd be very happy with this signing. Schaub has had a very good career aside from one bad season last year. He might just need a change of scenery. I don't believe Hoyer is the answer. Schaub would be a great signing, especially if the Browns draft a QB and let him learn behind Schaub. I think Schaub is very underrated.
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The age bothers me at some positions, but not QB. Even if we signed him to a 4 year deal, age IMO wouldn't be the factor for poor play.
If he has lost it or something like that, then sure. I guess we will just have to trust the coachings staffs thoughts on the matter.
I agree, especially in recent years because they protect the QB's so much, they don't age like they used to. Peyton Manning will be 38 this year. I think Brady is 36
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Win now or plan for tomorrow?
Most rookies QB's struggle especially when they go to bad teams with little tools to help. When you have a weak running game and poor pass protection hard to survive even when you are good.
Schaub and Hoyer are guys that can compete now. That does not mean they are long term answers. If they have protection, a run game and some decent receivers they can win.
The tough part of the transition for a rookie QB is NFL defenses. The sophistication, deception, and speed are things they have never experienced in college. Watching from the sidelines for a year or more is a good thing for most of them.
If the team knows they are not going to compete for a playoff spot and they have a rookie QB drafted high; then they feel let him learn. Live ammo is the best teacher.
The Browns can compete. This free agency (with their cap space), this draft,
( with it's talent and depth). The fact they have Hoyer and can bring in a guy like Schaub the Browns can win this year. Not talking Super Bowl but a team over 500 which means a possible playoff spot.
Haslam wants results now. He knows they have to find a long term QB solution. But he wants the team to win this year. Farmer, Pettine and the team know that to be true.
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I have mixed feelings on Schaub. Pretty decent career. Some very nice years. Not sure he's the answer but not sure he isn't either. I guess it comes down to what we have to do to get him.. I've always maintained that we need a Veteran on the staff.. Hoyer and a Rookie and Schaub. We could do a helluva lot worse. And we have! 
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I agree Bone....it is about winning now.
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Cleveland sure loves its washed up scrubs. Anything to keep them from getting hurt by investing in a high pick QB.
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if Pettine believes Sanchez can be successful in any regard I think he'll be here. We have connections to both he and Schaub, so if we like them at all we'll get them.
I have seen a lot of Sanchez he sucks dont even go there 
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I'd rather bring Delhomme and Jeff Garcia out of retirement than this guy.
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I'd love it. Until he proves otherwise, last year is the anomaly. His time under Little Shanny should not be discounted.. and between him and Hoyer, we'd be set at the position well enough to let whichever young kid we draft sit and get used to the game before we ruin him.... even if we take a kid at #4 overall.
Even just giving a drafted QB ONE year to sit would be a major improvement over anything we've tried thus far.
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Imho, you can't draft a QB at 4 when you sign Schaub. I'd love them to do it, but it won't work on so many levels: PR, fan perception, locker room. Too much trouble
If we sign Schaub, we probably are looking at the likes of Garoppolo, McCarron, Murray etc to groom, while Schaub and Hoyer battle it out short/mid term
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If we sign Schaub, we probably are looking at the likes of Garoppolo, McCarron, Murray etc to groom, while Schaub and Hoyer battle it out short/mid term
Bingo. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the plan without signing Schaub.
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IMO, if your chief concern when making these types of moves is PR and outside perception, then you're in the wrong job.
The ONLY thing to worry about is the locker room and as long as Shaub would know his place coming into it, I don't see the problem.
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btw...Serious possibility. Is that the same as a Definite Maybe???
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Imho, you can't draft a QB at 4 when you sign Schaub. I'd love them to do it, but it won't work on so many levels: PR, fan perception, locker room. Too much trouble
If we sign Schaub, we probably are looking at the likes of Garoppolo, McCarron, Murray etc to groom, while Schaub and Hoyer battle it out short/mid term
Agreed - we may also decide that the top 3-4 QBs available next year are all better than the top 3-4 this year, and we instead want to position ourselves to be at the top of that draft.
i.e. we start Hoyer - if he's the answer, then great. If he's not, we will be mediocre this year, and then can draft a top QB next year. In that case, I could see us taking another big trade back that gets us a 2015 first round pick.
These aren't necessarily incompatible either - you could get a 2nd/3rd round QB in this draft, and still set yourself up for the possibility of getting a first round QB next year.
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IMO, if your chief concern when making these types of moves is PR and outside perception, then you're in the wrong job.
The ONLY thing to worry about is the locker room and as long as Shaub would know his place coming into it, I don't see the problem.
That's where the problem is though: I don't think Schaub would want to come here if we say we draft a 4th overall QB breathing down his neck and the rook probably does not like it either having a guy like Schaub in front of him, who could delay his NFL career by some years if he gets back to form.
From a GM perspective of team and roster depth/competitiveness standpoint I'm totally with you, but it's a lot of mental stress for both QBs, the fans and coaches. As a GM, I don't think you put your coaches and the locker room in the best possible position to succeed. Lots of potential for a "divided" locker room, media and fanbase...not that we aren't used to that 
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No, it's more along the line of a "Possible For Sure Maybe" followed quickly by a "Kinda Sorta Possibility"
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My guess if we are looking at Schaub is that either they don't like the top QBs available in this draft or they don't think the guy(or guys) they like will be there when they pick. Also it may be to costly to trade up. I have no problem bringing Schaub in to compete with Hoyer for the starting job as long as they still take a QB later in the draft to develop.
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People need to let me know that Mary Kay Cabot sourced this story. I am now convinced we won't sign Matt Schaub.
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IMO, if your chief concern when making these types of moves is PR and outside perception, then you're in the wrong job.
The ONLY thing to worry about is the locker room and as long as Shaub would know his place coming into it, I don't see the problem.
That's where the problem is though: I don't think Schaub would want to come here if we say we draft a 4th overall QB breathing down his neck and the rook probably does not like it either having a guy like Schaub in front of him, who could delay his NFL career by some years if he gets back to form.
From a GM perspective of team and roster depth/competitiveness standpoint I'm totally with you, but it's a lot of mental stress for both QBs, the fans and coaches. As a GM, I don't think you put your coaches and the locker room in the best possible position to succeed. Lots of potential for a "divided" locker room, media and fanbase...not that we aren't used to that
I follow where you're coming from, but I guess I just view it as a Rivers/Brees or Rodgers/Farv-uruhr situation. The only difference is that they are coming in at the same time.
You tell Shaub that whatever rookie we bring in is sitting come Hell or High Water for the first year, so all he needs to do is beat out Hoyer. After year 1, though, it's game on... if the rookie wins, he wins. If Shaub holds him off, he keeps his job. Where the rook is drafted should mean nothing, because if he can't take the job, he doesn't deserve to get it.
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Schaub couldn't beat out Case Keenum last year when he came back to health. He's not beating out a rookie nor Hoyer this year.
I want to stay away from Schaub. The good news is that I think we will.
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