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I'd say two Super Bowl rings makes him elite. Twice as many as Peyton, and unlike his big brother, has never lost a Super Bowl.
Not many other NFL QB's have gone 2 - 0 in championship games.
When Giselle complained about "Tommy's" receivers not making catches, Eli was putting the ball on the hands of his receivers at full speed.
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I'm not saying that's the case, but it is a possibility. Dude had 5 straight seasons with a QB rating north of 90 before last season. Probably only a handful of other QBs have done that over the same time
I'm torn on Schaub myself. In a perfect world I would sign him after he gets cut and STILL draft a QB at 4, but I know that won't happen. If it's either/or, then I'd prefer QB at 4, but that also depends on what's available...not an easy decision for any GM and even moreso for a first timer
Dude also had what? Five straight games with a pick six? He also bombed the final 4 games of last year which helps houston lose the number 1 seed that year... He's never had an arm and can't extend a play.... He's an average to above average qb whose numbers IMO are inflated....
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My Lord! I thought you might be dead after hearing the Campbell got axed or that you were trying to get in contact with Mary Kay on a cover for why you both thought that Campbell was worth a damn. Glad to see you didn't voluntarily take a header down a flight of stairs or anything. 
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I would have rather kept Campbell than TRADE for Schaub.
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Dont want either. Campbell is afraid to throw and Schaub should be.
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Bro, did you see that they didn't even send anyone to watch Teddy's pro day today?? Lol. Accompanied with the news we might actually give up value for Schaub.......not having loads of confidence in these guys at all.
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Bro, did you see that they didn't even send anyone to watch Teddy's pro day today?? Lol. Accompanied with the news we might actually give up value for Schaub.......not having loads of confidence in these guys at all.
Farmer was there.
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Cool. Thanks Pdawg....I read that on twitter and lost hope..lol....what I get for believing what I read on twitter.
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In case someone wants the link... Still waiting on the forty time for Preston Brown, but the linebacker did improve his vertical jump (34.5 inches) and bench press (26) marks from the combine. Brown met extensively today with Cleveland Browns general manager Ray Farmer and Indianapolis Colts general manager Ryan Grigson. http://walterfootball.com/proday.php
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Matt Schaub on his career has completed 64% of his passes for 7.6 yards per attempt, 130 TD and 84 INT.
... By that logic, Eli Manning is a "washed up QB" too.
Eli is also a year older.
And Eli has two more SuperBowl rings. 
But the logic is that you're only as good as last year so he's obviously terrible.
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I am not a big fan of "pro" days ,,, scripted throws ultimate comfort zone etc... I think more can be gained by bringing them in to Berea and looking at them there instead.
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And that is the problem with his workout. By all accounts it wasn't very impressive.
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From the new here in San Antonio they pretty much said that Teddy stunk the place up and it may hurt his draft status. Of course they are really pimping the local hero Johnny Football as the savior of the Houston Texans. They even have billboards up saying to draft him. I'm not sold on either one. News here says the Texans can hold onto Matt until September if they want and it won't cost them any more than if they cut him today.
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j/c...are we still treating this "serious possibility" from a Bozo as an event about to happen? Again it is in the realm of a Definite MAYBE. The only thing valid is that Kyle Shanahan is our new OC and he coached Schaub in a similar offense that he will run here.
Bozo's are trying to put their Logic into a story. Key word here is Story...do we have any tweets from Schaub? Do we have any knowledge of Talks going on with Farmer.
Has their been a remote indication that Kyle has requested Schaub to come here?
Can it happen...as we know anything can happen. But we are reacting here as if it has happened or that there are valid signs that it will happen. All we got are Bozo's trying to add two n two...all to often they have it coming out to 3 or 5...
As for the question regarding Hoyer. I don't think there are many saying put all the eggs in that basket. But the kid was 3-0 as a starter. He looked impressive in executing the offense. The team believed in him. He showed a quick release and he grew by leaps and bounds from his first start to the 2nd which was a tougher defense. He is a local and believes in the Browns - Leadership skills are there. He made all the throws and was accurate. His foot work was sound and he looked off his primary quickly n didn't lock on. He is relatively young. The cleat caught in an awkward slide but its been long enough to that he ready to play football again.
Schaub on the other hand lost his team and confidence in himself as well. He struggled in an offense that he was well versed in. If we brought him in - I am not sure at what capacity. But I see no indications from our staff or FO in wanting him.
Is it because we are waiting for him to be released? Will we sign him to a 2 year back up contract? With a rookie QB on the roster he can jump the #2 anytime so the Numbers for depth are pretty meaningless. We saw Hoyer jump the veteran #2 last season.
I just don't see us remotely interested. I'm not Internet surfing experienced as most of you but I haven't read a valid article where we showed interest. Is there any outside of BOZOS saying we're interested???
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I would say there would be at least "remote interest" stemming from the Shanahan connection, the fact that we currently only have one QB, and logic dictating that having a veteran on the roster who knows the system would make sense. Not that I'm advocating signing Schaub, the Texans are probably going to hang onto him as long as possible to see if they can work a trade. I don't want to over pay for a backup, and I certainly am not sold on his "abilities". However, I would be surprised if the FO wasn't at least discussing the possibility. If they are actually in talks with the Texans, it's doubtful we'd hear about it at this juncture.
Someone mentioned Fitzpatrick... that is a somewhat intriguing possibility.
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We have two QB's, Tanney and Hoyer.. not that it matters LOL
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If the FO and coaching staff have deemed it necessary to get another veteran QB on the roster. I agree with you Schaub would have to be in consideration but I doubt we are even discussing with the Texans cause it would have to be as a FA with a new deal and no loss of a draft pick - cause we are looking for a veteran back up.
There is the old adage...if you have a true QB competition (not talking Rookie vs. Hoyer) but (Schaub vs. Hoyer) it is not that healthy and the adage continues with THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A QB.
I don't mind one in camp...but Schaub has some self issues....this won't come up throwing in shorts in camp so he will look good - he know the system its against competition that his troubles will show up.
It all depends on what we need to fill. Campbell shoes as the veteran back up. But not close to the contract we would inherit in a trade.
jmho. I still say this is BOZO driven. But you never know.
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'Is Texans QB Matt Schaub still an option for the Cleveland Browns?: Hey Mary Kay!' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/is_texans_qb_matt_schaub_still.htmlBy Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on March 20, 2014 at 5:51 PM, updated March 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Hey Mary Kay! Hey Mary Kay: Is Texans quarterback Matt Schaub still an option for the Browns? -- Scott B., Rocky River, Ohio Hey Scott: Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan still likes his former Texans quarterback, but Houston isn't willing to part with him right now even though he's due to make more than $10 million in 2014. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle says a report that the Texans are currently shopping Schaub isn't true. The situation could come down to draft day, when the Texans and Browns have to decide what they're going to do at No. 1 and No. 4 respectively, and what that means for Schaub and Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer. Ironically, Shanahan likes Schaub and Texans coach Bill O'Brien likes Hoyer from their days together in New England. Will they wind up trading places? .... (More Browns-related Q & A at the above link.)
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The Texans just signed Ryan Fitzpatrick to a two year deal. So I don't see a role for Hoyer if they traded for him.
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Well, Fitz could be the back-up.
I truly hope Mary Kay's article is BS and that we aren't seriously considering trading Hoyer for Schaub.
Man, almost all of the news and rumors I hear from Berea is ignorant. Hopefully, it's just a big smoke screen, but this sure reminds me of the year we took Leon over Rodgers.
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At the time taking Edwards over Rodgers was the right decision. Maybe you wanted Rodgers, I don't know. But I am guessing if you polled most front office people at the time the overwhelming majority would have taken Rodgers.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I don't agree w/that. There was a huge argument about who should be the first overall pick. Some argued for Alex Smith. Many others said Rodgers was the guy.
I remember arguing vehemently w/posters that we should NOT take Leon and that we should take either Rodgers or Smith, depending on which guy was not drafted first overall.
This draft reminds me of this one.
It also reminds me of the previous year when I argued strongly for Big Ben. We moved up to take K2. I liked K2 way better than the Leon pick, but I wanted that franchise QB.
Well, we are still looking and a good portion of the fan base wants to pass on a qb again and take yet another receiver.
It's almost surreal.
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To an extent, the Browns themselves make the appearance of wanting to possibly pass on QB. Ray Farmer was the only noted person to attend Blake's pro day. I don't think we've have anyone at any of the other pro days.
Sounds like they're not thinking heavy on QB, JMO
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Good for you for being right (seriously). But there is a reason Rodgers fell. Front offices didn't like him.
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A lot of people had issue with his size. Just another example of evaluators putting physical appearance ahead of brains when judging a QB.
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Rodgers is the best QB I have ever seen.
With that said, I think he benefited from sitting for several years and he had a giant chip on his shoulder from falling in the draft.
If we draft him he most likely starts relatively soon (I think we had Trent Dilfer on the roster) and doesn't have the chip on his shoulder.
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I don't agree w/that. There was a huge argument about who should be the first overall pick. Some argued for Alex Smith. Many others said Rodgers was the guy.
I remember arguing vehemently w/posters that we should NOT take Leon and that we should take either Rodgers or Smith, depending on which guy was not drafted first overall.
This draft reminds me of this one.
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you and I have agreed many times in the past on drafts. I know for a fact you and I were going against a lot of people about many of the previous bad picks.
For some reason you and I have had a huge difference of opinions on Bridgewater and Ward.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Good for you for being right (seriously). But there is a reason Rodgers fell. Front offices didn't like him.
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You won't admit to it, but those are enormously contradictory statements.
The reason he fell was because of his physical stature, odd ball placement, and underwhelming post season performances. Well, there was another reason. Some teams like Cleveland and Miami decided they didn't really need a QB.
Look, it's a bottom line business. Just how did it work out for all the teams that passed on him? GMs make mistakes all the time. Timid, Big Money, BQ, Leon, TRich, Weeden, etc. Please, don't act like these guys are so great.
All positions can bust. Many good players can bust. I've been wrong many times. I could have sworn that Skip Hicks was going to be an excellent back. I thought Elton Brown was going to be a great OG. I thought Clausen was going to be a good qb.
Saying Leon deserved to be drafted over Rodgers because the latter had flaws is uneducated. Leon had a more red flags than almost any player I have seen in recent history.
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you and I have agreed many times in the past on drafts. I know for a fact you and I were going against a lot of people about many of the previous bad picks.
For some reason you and I have had a huge difference of opinions on Bridgewater and Ward.
It's cool. I have no problem w/us disagreeing. It can help spark debate. Let's just play fair.
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To an extent, the Browns themselves make the appearance of wanting to possibly pass on QB. Ray Farmer was the only noted person to attend Blake's pro day. I don't think we've have anyone at any of the other pro days.
Sounds like they're not thinking heavy on QB, JMO
Farmer was at Bridgewater's as well. I haven't read any reports on Carr's yet.
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you and I have agreed many times in the past on drafts. I know for a fact you and I were going against a lot of people about many of the previous bad picks.
For some reason you and I have had a huge difference of opinions on Bridgewater and Ward.
It's cool. I have no problem w/us disagreeing. It can help spark debate. Let's just play fair.
cool man sounds good 
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I didn't know this. This actually does kind of make me feel better. Would be feeling close to 100% if at least Kyle were in on them as' well but Farmer is better than no one...
Really, I'd take Hoyer and any later round QB over the possibility of trading for Schaub or anything like that. He looks like he's playing in a sea of lava last season. Preferably, I'd take Hoyer and any top rated qb (Teddy is my hope) over anything or any other scenario.
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I still like Schaub. He had a down year but still about what we had at qb. Less td than campbell receiver could have ran the wrong route, or had it bounce off the receivers hands into the arms of a defender (I believe Little had that happen?)
If hes cut and would be willing to sign here to be a veteran mentor, I am all for it. I liked what Hoyer brought to the table but we need to remember a couple things.
1) it was like 2.5 games, then he got hurt, very small sample size.
2) Hoyer didnt exactly light up his previous stops
3) We dont know really if the regime sees him as anything and
4) Does he fit, or does Shanahan think he fits into the new offense.
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Signing him as a FA and trading for him are two completely different animals.
Also, please consider that once a QB loses his confidence....well, he is lost. See Jake Delhomme.
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Signing him as a FA and trading for him are two completely different animals.
Also, please consider that once a QB loses his confidence....well, he is lost. See Jake Delhomme.
Agree 100%. I wouldn't mind bringing Matt in to see what he has if he's a free agent.... No way I'd trade for him.... Guy seems to be on the downhill... Has no confidence... No mobility... And no arm....
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I don't think we've have anyone at any of the other pro days.
Sounds like they're not thinking heavy on QB, JMO
They did have Farmer at the Louisville pro day. He just wasn't there to see Bridgewater. He was there to see the cornerback Pryor. 
In regards to not thinking heavy on QB, I don't get that impression at all. They will draft one and Bortles intrigued Ray Farmer enough for him to talk to Bortles and schedule a private workout for the Browns in Berea.
That tells me that they're, at least, intrigued by Bortles. Of course, it could all be a smoke screen, but if that was the case, why invite him to a private workout. Why not just say something glowing about Bortles' pro day performance and that he's going to be a good QB in the NFL and that the team might be willing to take him if he's available at #4.
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A lot of people had issue with his size. Just another example of evaluators putting physical appearance ahead of brains when judging a QB.
6'2, 223# Nothing to worry about with either his height or his weight. Same height as Bridgewater but about 25-30# heavier on the playing weight.
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