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I'm not a gun owner, I'll never be a gun owner. And I don't mean to sound snide in saying the following question, I simply cannot understand the other side of the argument on this question, why are assault weapons needed? I get hunting requires some gun use, I understand some people want to have a personal gun for home safety. But I cannot understand why someone would feel the need for an assault weapon. Again, I'm not trying to sound snide, I'm simply trying to comprehend that side...
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here is a good site.....it is set up by the goofballs who want gun control....but it gives a good idea of the laws in various states.
Just click a state to see the current laws and note the grade given by state.....IMO states with a F are good...Ohio rates a D-....Tennessee a D+, so Ohio is more gun friendly than Tennessee..Alabama is an F...maybe I will move there. 
Just don't sign up for any of their anti-NRA stuff...just use the site.
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/
here is another great site for gun owners and potential gun owners.
http://www.packing.org/
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I'm not a gun owner, I'll never be a gun owner. And I don't mean to sound snide in saying the following question, I simply cannot understand the other side of the argument on this question, why are assault weapons needed? I get hunting requires some gun use, I understand some people want to have a personal gun for home safety. But I cannot understand why someone would feel the need for an assault weapon. Again, I'm not trying to sound snide, I'm simply trying to comprehend that side...
Why would anyone need a Mustang, or a Corvette, or any car that goes over the speed limit? Its all about personal choice, and your right to buy what you want.
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If it is a home defense weapon you want then you really can't go wrong woth a good old 12 Ga. It may make a mess if you were to ever use it indoors but the sight of that big bore looking down on you would be enough to make even the hardest core criminal blink . There is zero chance you miss him inside of 10-15 feet with a Turkey load of .000 buckshot . That is my primary load of choice for my home defender. JMHO.
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Aren't there somewhere in the area of 100 million firearms in this country ? How would they plan to fight that number ? Aside from that gunowners have something even more powerful than a gun ....a vote and the politicians know it.
Even non-gunowners have a vote.... Its just a shame that so few people bother to exercise that right.
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I can't even tell where he's from... is that a city in Ohio or an abbreviation that means he's on lithium?
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Not a gun owner, but for the most part, I'm not bothered by my law-abiding neighbor owning one. I'm kinda with logdog on the subject of assault weapons... but that's for another post. I actually wanted to share a home security tip that was sent to me just today, by Betsie K-9- a "quiet Dawg Talker," good friend, and non-gun owner. It's for guys like us. Daman- you might want to consider this one, too: __________________________________________________ HOW TO INSTALL A HOME SECURITY SYSTEM 1. Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men's used size 14-16 Work boots. 2. Place them on your front porch, along with several empty beer cans, a copy of Guns & Ammo magazine and several NRA magazines. 3. Put a few giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazine. 4. Leave a note on your door that reads: Hey Bubba, Big Jim, Duke and Slim- Went to the gun shop for more ammo. Back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls -- they jumped the mailman this morning and messed him up pretty good. I think Killer stayed out of it, but it was hard to tell from all the blood. Took an hour to clean up the mess. PS - I locked all four of 'em in the house. Better wait outside. seeya soon.
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It's Lithium. He's just a rookie. Tyler will get bhim on stronger stuff before you know it.
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I think he's a she, by the way.
Which ever. They'll never know trhe difference on Lithium.
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I just have to supply a thought for Riddler.
The citizens of the US have a right to keep and bear arms due to our constitution. This was added to the constitution because of the failure of our first government, and due to the british during the revolutionary war. The british saw to it that they'd remove guns from the homes of colonists, to keep the colonists from fighting them. The first government, the Confederate States of America, was removed by the citizenry for being ineffective.
We have a right to keep and bear arms so that if all other means fail, we citizens will be able to remove a failed government, or defend ourselves from an invading power (ie. failed government). As we had to fight oppressors for innitial control of our country, the guns we used became part of our country.
The people of England were considered subjects long before they were citizens, and their government learned long ago that helpless people were controllable people. This is the same story for Australia that started as a penal colony, and needed only the people in control to have the guns.
As a strict counterpoint to the gun debate; guns don't kill people, but they do make it much more efficient. I believe if this wacko had the time, he could have just stocked up nitrate fertilizer over a couple years and still have had an efficient method of killing people. I don't recall a single gun being fired by the wacko in Oklahoma City.
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I don't recall a single gun being fired by the wacko in Oklahoma City.
But the wacko's in Waco used a damned TANK!
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For me that question hasn't been answered. Why is this such a prevalent occurence in the US??
There is only one way to put a dent in this kind of violence. Make it LAW that if a kid in school gets mouthy with a teacher he is disciplined with the paddle, if he lays a hand on a teacher the teach has free reign to beat the student to a pulp. The problem with this country is that lawyers took away an adults right to teach respect. Many of you will cry about my method - look in the mirror - you are responsible for the lack of respect in this country. Lawyers and Democrats have made it so that if you are under 18 you can do anything you want without punishment. Lawyers and Democrats made it that if you committ a crime "it's society's fault, it's okay you weren't loved enough as a child so we'll let you slide." Let people slide long enough and soon they will fall.
I grew up with guns. My Dad would clean them in the living room (when he wasn't cleaning them they were under lock and key). He would let us hold them and taught us about them. We could point it at the TV and were always told, "Point it at me, your brother or mother and I'm going to hit you with it." Let me tell you, the last thought on your mind is to joke with them. Never once did he have to even threaten to hit us because we were raised with respect.
Try that nowadays and the kids first thought is "I'll sue you, you can't touch me." Yeah, I just went on a soap box, but it all boils down to respect and discipline. Due to lawyers and Democrats, neither exist anymore-- hell, you aren't even allowed to spank your child anymore - how ridiculous is that.
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why are assault weapons needed?
Any weapon is a assault weapon. And anything can be a weapon. Two hammers can make a pretty good weapon.
This guy used two 9mm handguns...those aren't assault weapons in most people view, but they sure worked.
What you need to get is people are the problem. A gun is nothing more than a tool. A chainsaw in a crowded room could be a big problem for the people without the saw if someone wanted to use it as such.
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This guy used two 9mm handguns
One was a 9mm semi-auto hand gun and the other was a 22... just FYI... doesn't matter much because I still think he legally had a right to have the guns... but in no way to I believe that he had a right to use them in this way
only way you can change the law to make it better in this situation is if they required a psych eval before buying a gun...
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Actually, ballpeen, the reports I have seen as of late say the guy had a 9 mm, and a .22 caliber handgun.
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OK....one was a .22....my mistake....at any rate, neither one is what most would call assault weapons.
Plus.....put them in the nightstand or in a closet, they just lay there. They don't crawl out and start shooting.
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The problem with regulation is that it really only affects law abiding citizens. Criminals don't abide by laws as it is---why would they abide by new laws?
Exactly!!! We already have multiple laws that were broken in this case. The first one would be: murder. See, that is against the law. Who honestly thinks that more laws dealing with guns is going to stop something like this from happening?
The guy broke the current laws, as criminals tend to do. What's breaking one more law going to do to stop them?
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You all will probably think pretty negatively of this. But they need to have a universal medical database with our health records in it. And then in order to purchase a gun, it should run a mental health check. If you turn up with a mental health problem from that database, then no guns for you. Period.
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OK....one was a .22....my mistake....at any rate, neither one is what most would call assault weapons.
Plus.....put them in the nightstand or in a closet, they just lay there. They don't crawl out and start shooting.
Personall, I'd rather get shot with a .44 as it'll go in and come out in a straight line. That .22 will hit you in one spot and come out after ricocheting inside your body and tearing it up. Either way though, you are 100% correct. We need PEOPLE CONTROL, not gun control.
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You all will probably think pretty negatively of this. But they need to have a universal medical database with our health records in it. And then in order to purchase a gun, it should run a mental health check. If you turn up with a mental health problem from that database, then no guns for you. Period.
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Won't prevent purchase of illegally sold guns. Also, people who do this typically don't let anyone in close enough to them to know if they are mental.
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Not sure what kind of .22 you shoot, but I haven't had one come out of even a ground hog, let alone a person. and a .44 going clean through? Perhaps, at close range, and with a round nose. And even with a hollow point, at close range, perhaps. But a 22 going through someone? I just haven't seen it, but I haven't seen everything.
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Not sure what kind of .22 you shoot, but I haven't had one come out of even a ground hog, let alone a person. and a .44 going clean through? Perhaps, at close range, and with a round nose. And even with a hollow point, at close range, perhaps. But a 22 going through someone? I just haven't seen it, but I haven't seen everything.
i've never hunted, but I've heard .22s can/have done that. (If they don't come out they aren't always exactly where they hit). Haven't shot a rifle or handgun in years. Now, when I get the chance, I just go clay pigeon shooting with my Dad with a 1936 Winchester side-by-side. (Yes, I'm aware it's not made for that - but it's the most beautiful gun there is, I just like shooting it)
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I'm saying the gun dealers could run a mental health background check before they sell a gun to anyone, if they had that sort of database in place. Sure, it won't stop people from buying on the black market, but it would help at least. Anyways, I hate guns. I will not date a guy who owns guns. That's just me.
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I'm saying the gun dealers could run a mental health background check before they sell a gun to anyone, if they had that sort of database in place. Sure, it won't stop people from buying on the black market, but it would help at least. Anyways, I hate guns. I will not date a guy who owns guns. That's just me.
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Please don't take offense to this. You'd be best to get yourself over that hate. It'd be much wiser (if you plan on having kids/have kids) to learn about them and teach your kids about them. Rather than have them "hate" them if they respect them and know about them then if they got caught in a situation where their friend has a gun and says "look" your child will be smart enough to know how to put the safety on and show the gun respect and take it to proper authorites so nothing stupid happens. People fear what they hate, fearing a gun leads to panic. Respecting it leads to a smart choice. Again, please don't take offense to this, it's just a suggestion.
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I'm not offended. I've been around guns. I shot guns. I just don't want that any part of my life. I don't have to force myself to like guns because someone else likes them. Nor do I have to date men who feel the need to keep guns around. There are plenty who don't see the need for it also.
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I'm saying the gun dealers could run a mental health background check before they sell a gun to anyone, if they had that sort of database in place. Sure, it won't stop people from buying on the black market, but it would help at least. Anyways, I hate guns. I will not date a guy who owns guns. That's just me.
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While I understand the sentiment you have, I question the "worthiness" of it. Let's face it, people don't go into buy a gun and say "by the way, I have a mental disorder", do they?
As it is, there is already a background check. If you are a felon, you cannot buy a gun (legally, that is). What I'm trying to get at, and probably not doing a good job of it, is: what sort of mental illness disqualifies a person from getting a gun? And how does that enhance the system already in place?
For example: this student at VT - he didn't have a mental disability - (that anyone knows of, at least).
Bottom line is, he broke the law. The current law that is in place. You could've added 10 more laws, and he would've broken them, and the only person you effect with the law you support would be the person legally buying a gun - and the only affect on him/her would be an added cost.
We have enough laws, what we need to do is stop people from breaking the laws in place (which will never happen), so the next step is enforcing the laws. No matter what you do, something like this can happen, and it doesn't take guns. (Bath, Michigan, for example - more people killed than at VT, and not a single gun used).
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Either I am not good at explaining or everyone is mis-reading my posts. I am saying that if our medical community got their butts together, they could come up with some sort of universal medical database for medical records. Then the gun shops could run a background check on mental health history. I know this fantasy land dreaming. But it *would* be cool for various reasons, and not just gun control.
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Bottom line is, he broke the law. The current law that is in place. You could've added 10 more laws, and he would've broken them, and the only person you effect with the law you support would be the person legally buying a gun - and the only affect on him/her would be an added cost.
Not really eager to get in the gun control debate regarding the VT incident - it's not what we should be focused on...but for the record the kid bought the guns legally.
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Except that it's 'illegal' and 'unethical' to have those records released... all they'd be able to see is if someone went to see a pysch or not... not what was actually found.....
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Either I am not good at explaining or everyone is mis-reading my posts. I am saying that if our medical community got their butts together, they could come up with some sort of universal medical database for medical records. Then the gun shops could run a background check on mental health history. I know this fantasy land dreaming. But it *would* be cool for various reasons, and not just gun control.
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I get what you are saying, problem is - we'd all have to have psych tests for this to be effective, then they wouldn't let me own a pencil let alone a gun
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Not really eager to get in the gun control debate regarding the VT incident - it's not what we should be focused on...but for the record the kid bought the guns legally.
Good, he bought them legally. And? We should ban guns because a person bought them legally, and used them in an unlawful manner? Is that what you are getting at? I hope not.
After all, what about the car that was bought legally, but had a drunk driver kill someone? Or how about that car, that was bought legally, and the driver was speeding and caused an accident that killed someone - should we ban cars, as well?
How about all those cheeseburgers that were legally bought, and caused the driver of a legally purchased car to have a heart attack, which caused the car to hit a school bus killing "X" number of kids - should we ban cars and cheeseburgers?
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- should we ban cars and cheeseburgers?
Cheeseburgers don't kill people, people kill cheeseburgers.
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You just entirely side-stepped the question. Actually, since we're on the topic, one of the guns that was used was a semi-automatic with an extended clip, a gun that was just recently legalized by the expiration of the 1994 assault weapons ban. What, legally, does a person need that gun for that a normal 9mm wouldn't do? Personally, guns like that seem to be more about the machismo factor than actual use, from anything that I have read on the topic.
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