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Just for PPE: PFF H2H TJ vs Whitner

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What jumps out is the % of snaps in the box. Ward's 66% to Whitner's 21%.


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https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/443784462120132608/photo/1

What jumps out is the % of snaps in the box. Ward's 66% to Whitner's 21%.




He was essentially a linebacker. Which would be great, say in 2005. It's a passing league....

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Guess that explains wht the $5.5 price tag.

Seems wierd, Denver's run D was pretty good last year if Zi remember correctly wasnt their problem in pass defense?

Guess Talib takes care of that for them. Still the TJ signing seems to be a bad fit for the Broncos, that money might have been better spent keeping their WR, but then they are a superbowl caliber team so I can assume they know what they are doing.

Doesnt effect me at all really.


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btw...Manning only has so many years left in him...then they become very mediocre. They are going for the gusto and all in for SB run!


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the core of that team won a playoff game with Tim Tebow at QB. it was one of the reasons Peyton picked them in the first place.


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There is a 5PM press conference to introduce the newly signed players.


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Is Revis going to be there?

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Only if he can get to town, agree to a contract, pass the physical, and sign the papers before 5pm.


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That sounds reasonable.

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I will say this......Whitner sounds very impressive in this press conference.

Intense. Smart. Passionate.


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You bet. I wouldn't be stunned if Peyton plays on after this season. But I'd be mildly surprised. Had they won the SB I'm 99% sure he would have retired this year.

Same goes for Tom Brady. I have to imagine he's playing year to year as well. Patriots only have so much time with Brady.... and perhaps Bill Belichick too....


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I forget who it was (former player), but before the game someone asked them if Manning should retire...

They basically said that unless Manning can go into the game, win or lose, and say yes I'm ready to be done... Then you should keep playing...

"Riding off into the sunset" only works when you're a washed up player barely hanging on...



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Transcript from introductory news conference with new Browns players Dansby, Whitner, Trufant
By Nate Ulrich Published: March 12, 2014

The Browns introduced three free-agent signees today at their headquarters: inside linebacker Karlos Dansby, strong safety Donte Whitner and cornerback Isaiah Trufant. Here is a transcript from the news conference:

Opening statement:

GM Ray Farmer:“We’d definitely like to stay on course with what our plans are in free agency, of adding the right kind of guys to this team to demonstrate the type of toughness, leadership and consistency in play that we’re looking for. There are three guys standing off to my right in Donte Whitner, one of Ohio’s own; Karlos Dansby, coming to us from the Arizona Cardinals; and Isaiah Trufant coming to us from the Jets.

“Now, I’m going to excuse myself because there is more work to be done.”

On how special it is returning to Cleveland:

Whitner: “It’s a very special moment. It’s not often that you get to play high school, college and the National Football League in the same state, and now I have this opportunity. I know the history of this city; I know the history of this football team. I know it recently hasn’t been good, but I know with a lot of hard work, a lot of good leadership and a lot of good football, physical football, we can change this thing around. My No. 1 thing was to come back home to really help the city, but another thing is I have two small children – a 6-year old and a 7-year old. Being on the West Coast, I couldn’t spend a lot of time with them. Now, I get an opportunity to spend a lot more time with them, and I get an opportunity to be home around my family. I’m looking forward to it.”

On how to excel playing inside linebacker, with the experience playing both inside and outside linebacker:

Dansby: “Just try to raise the play of the guys around me. That’s what I’ve been able to do everywhere I’ve been over my career. That’s what I am known for, is just trying to raise the play of the guys around me. If I’m able to do that, then I have a lot of success as well.”

On if last year was his best in the NFL:

Dansby: “Last year was definitely my best year in the NFL by far. I was able to, like I said, raise the play of the guys around me. It gave me the opportunity to play at the level that I needed to play at. Here, I feel like it is going to be the same type of situation. The Browns have got a strong front, [defensive] line; we’ve got the hard hitter in the back end (pointing to Whitner), just to ensure everything over the top. Like I said, we keep adding pieces and pieces. I think we’re going to do something really special this season. I didn’t have any choice; I had to come.”

On trying to replace former Browns LB D’Qwell Jackson:

Dansby:“He’s got a strong reputation around here. The guy had a stellar career here. I’m just coming in trying to do my part. It’s a new era. It’s a new day. Like I said, I was chosen. I’m coming on a mission, and that’s to win. That’s all I know how to do is win.”

On what he can bring to Cleveland with his winning experience, including three NFC Championship game appearances:

Whitner: “First and foremost, leadership within the locker room. Whenever you come from a winning organization and you come to a team that hasn’t really had that winning success as of late, you really have to change the culture, you have to change the mindset and you have to change the feel within the locker room. I believe with us three, along with some other guys who have already been here – you have (DB) Joe Haden and you have a bunch of different guys who have played football here and are top-notch guys in the National Football League – we can get this thing turned around. On the defensive side of the football – all three of us play defense – it starts with being sound fundamentally, first and foremost, understanding the game from a mental aspect. Then, it starts with being physical. Are you a defense that is feared by offenses around the National Football League? That comes with being physical each and every play. That starts with the defensive line getting after the quarterback; it starts with the ‘backers fitting and hitting guys and getting guys on the ground; and then it starts with the safeties and the corners by really adding that dimension that guys don’t want to see. They don’t want to come across the middle when you have guys like that. It’s going to start with that, being a physical football team.”

On if he came close to signing with Cleveland earlier in his career:

Whitner: “No, I haven’t really. Before this time, I haven’t really heard anything from the Cleveland Browns. Everything happens for a reason. The last time I was on the market, it was three years ago; it was the lockout and it was really a buyer’s market. I had an opportunity to take a short-term deal, go to San Francisco and really, really learn how to win football games. Now, I’m back home. Everything happens for a reason. I’m glad that I’m here now.”

On being reunited with Head Coach Mike Pettine:

Trufant: “At the Jets, I was typically a backup guy and a special-teams guy. We’d get tossed in here and there in some packages and whatnot. The scheme, I feel, will benefit what I do, and that’s with my speed and quickness and things of that nature. Pettine, he’s a great coach, and I’m excited to play for him.”

On the durability to stay healthy the past four years after sustaining injuries early in his career:

Whitner: “Over my career, I’ve only missed 12 games in [eight] years so I don’t know if that’s a durability issue or not. One time, I fell on my shoulder and it popped out. I don’t think it’s durability. I think sometimes it’s the luck of the draw. Sometimes you hit somebody wrong or somebody hits you and you get an injury, but I’ve never had any – knock on wood – major injuries and had to have any surgery or anything; just small things. Twelve games in [eight] years, I’ll take that.”

On how quickly the Browns can turn things around:

Whitner: “It depends on when we all get together. It all comes down to learning and understanding the defense, first and foremost. Then, you want to understand what offenses like to do against our scheme. Once you figure out what offenses like to do against our scheme, it’s easy to go in there, study and work as a unit. I believe we can get it turned around immediately. When I came to San Francisco three years ago and arrived there, we didn’t have a good defense. We had good pieces on the defense, but until they brought Vic Fangio along as defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach Ed Donatell and you start putting it together, that’s when you start to build it. Once we get everybody together and really understand what we have to do and what teams want to do, then we can build and win immediately.”

On if he can bring the same intensity he played with in Arizona last season:

Dansby:“I think I might double my output here, just by the positioning of myself in this scheme. I think it’s one of the better schemes in the NFL, if you ask me. Like I said, I’m on a mission. I’m on a mission to try to be the best player I can be. That’s the mission I was on last season and I came close; I came real close. Playing at the toughest position in the NFL, and you get a chance to dominate at that position, it says a lot about you as a person, as character, and as a player. In the process of doing that, you’re raising the play of guys around you. It says that you’re a special person. You’re a special player. Like I said, I’m trying to double my output here, make the guys around me better, and try to win a lot of ball games, and try to be one of the best teams in the NFL.”

On whether they feel collectively like this can be a dominant defense in 2014:

Whitner:“That’s what we believe. That’s why we came here. That’s why we teamed up together. Hopefully we get a few more pieces. Then it comes down to knowledge and technique, and going out there and playing physical on each and every snap. I believe we can do it. We have the right pieces. Now we have to come together and put a lot of hard work in.”

On Whitner’s reaction from friends and family to his homecoming:

Whitner:“It’s been pretty crazy. Every body’s pretty much excited. I probably have about 115 text messages that I haven’t answered yet. I haven’t really seen anybody from my family since I got in here. I got in late last night, had dinner with a lot of the guys, and then bright and early we had to be here (for physicals). Once I leave here today, I’ll probably see a lot more of my family members, some of my family members, and they’re very excited.”

On Whitner’s Twitter account:

Whitner: “It’s still blowing up. I think my phone is going dead because of it. But I get a lot of people from San Francisco saying congratulations, some that don’t like me anymore, and then you get a lot of Browns fans making their pictures, photo cropping the new Browns jersey, a lot of fun things. So, yeah, Twitter is still going crazy right now.”

On leaving San Francisco:

Whitner:“It was difficult. When you build a relationship with so many people and you have a lot of fun winning football games, put so much hard work, sweat and tears into it, it was bittersweet. But now you have to move on. This is a business, and it’s all about wins in the National Football League. Nobody over there in San Francisco is going to feel sorry for me if I give up a touchdown, or if we play them and they beat us, so I can’t feel sorry for them. I’m ready to embark on this new journey and I’m ready to win some football games in Cleveland. I know the fans here are top-notch fans, and they deserve a winning season, they deserve to get to the playoffs and they deserve winning football. And that’s what we’re here for.”

On whether Whitner will try to convince the Browns to sign former Ohio State teammate Ted Ginn Jr.:

Whitner:“Truth. I’ll have to tell the truth about that, I sent the guys over here a text message the other day and told them to look at him. I know he’s still a speed guy. He can take the top off the defense. He has a chip on his shoulder also. Plus, he’s a Cleveland guy. And he feels the same way I feel about this city, the Cleveland Browns winning, and I know for a fact that he would like to be a Cleveland Brown. If everything goes well, hopefully he’s here.”

On Dansby’s reaction last night when new teammates Jabaal Sheard, Josh Gordon and Joe Haden picked him up and flew with him to Cleveland:

Dansby:“It was a sweet moment. It was surreal. I’m a Brown now. Like I said, I’m embarking on this mission, trying to chase our destiny. I think there’s something special about this city. I don’t know what it is yet. I’ve been out on the West Coast, I’ve been down South; I was born down South. I’ve never been in this kind of weather, this kind of element before, so it’s brand new to me. I’m taking a leap of faith. I really believe there’s something special going on here. That’s the reason I’m here and I’m going to make the most of this opportunity. I’m going to maximize.”

On whether Trufant thought about signing a free-agent contract like this while working hard to make the NFL:

Trufant:“Well, on the journey I’ve taken, you always want to shoot for the stars. Starting out on my journey, I wasn’t highly sought after, through high school to have only one scholarship offer, which was a partial scholarship to Eastern Washington. And I feel I made the most of that. No NFL offers right out of college, so I did the Arena2 League, the AFL (Arena Football League), the UFL (United Football League), and finally got into the NFL in 2010 with the Jets. So, it’s been a ride, I’m enjoying it, and I’m excited to be a Brown now.”

On what Whitner’s homecoming means to the Cleveland-area kids and community:

Whitner:“Now I have an opportunity to go back and give them an opportunity to touch me. They can see on TV, ‘Oh, he came from Glenville (High School); he’s from Cleveland.’ But when you’re playing in the same city, and you know about the inner-city kids, and you come from being one of those kids, it’s just a 20-, 30-minute ride to get to them and speak to them and talk to them, and let them really see you, and you give them your time, it really means a lot. The City of Cleveland is not doing too well right now. There are a lot of inner-city things that are going on, and I feel like I can be an influence on some of these kids, a lot of these kids, actually.”

On whether Dansby will reach out to other players and recruit them to the Browns:

Dansby:“I don’t know, if Coach (Pettine) feels like there are some guys out there that I know. Like I said, guys may hit me up and say, ‘I want to go on this journey with you.’ They know what kind of guy I am, what kind of player I am, and what I put into this game. The way I approach this game is different. It’s totally different, and I think it’s special. I’ve been touched. I’ve got a gift, and they know I’m going to put everything I got into it.”

On whether Dansby talked to any other teams before signing with Cleveland:

Dansby:“No, not at all. That’s the crazy part about it. Like I said, I had to take a leap of faith. I believe something’s going on here. Coach Pettine has come in here and, like I said, it’s been a two-year process between me and him, to be honest. In Buffalo, he wanted me in Buffalo (in 2013). Once I got the call, I was like, ‘I’m on my way.’ Things happen for a reason. I don’t know why, but I’m here and I’m going to show out. I’m having fun. I’m loving it.”

On whether they feel any trepidation about signing with a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2002, and year after year feel the same:

Whitner:“Yeah, it probably feels like the same, but us three, we weren’t here. The mindset that we’re going to bring to this football team, the toughness, the physical nature that we’ll bring, I don’t believe that was here. I know T.J. Ward was here; he’s a very, very physical guy, so it’s going to be big shoes to fill. But, from my point of view, wherever that ball is, and I know these guys feel the same way, somebody’s going to get hit. You’re going to have a feared defensive unit out there. And if you have a feared defensive unit, guys that don’t give up the big play, that tackle well, get off the field on third down, get after the quarterback, you always have a chance to win the football game. That’s all we can control. And maybe a little bit of special teams but that’s all we can control, and you have an opportunity to win.”

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Hitner had an awesome conference IMO. Well spoken, determined and sounds like he'll be a great off-field player for the city of Cleveland! Welcome back home Hitner!

"From my point of view wherever that ball is, and I know these guys feel the same way, someone is going to get hit." - Donte at today's introduction


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i like whitner. i guess i just wished we kept ward. but i think Bess and the rest of the league ruined it for me.

i keep thinking of that Webb dude from baltimore...i'm just scared we end up with a S as soft as him. i'm glad it didn't happen.


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I was SO impressed by all 3. I have to congratulate all on a great press conference. Hope their determination to succeed carries over to the field.

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i keep thinking of that Webb dude from baltimore...i'm just scared we end up with a S as soft as him. i'm glad it didn't happen.




Webbs a cover corner if I am not mistaken. Not many of them are thumpers. I would like Webb as our CB2 though.

I get where your coming from. Whitner not going to disappoint you in that department. Dude will lay the wood.

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Webbs a cover corner if I am not mistaken. Not many of them are thumpers. I would like Webb as our CB2 though.

I get where your coming from. Whitner not going to disappoint you in that department. Dude will lay the wood.




he's a CB? ahhh ok my bad. i guess then, just he worries me about DB's in general, that Webb guy. i mean...the denver game, and then against us.

i'm glad we are still all about hitters in the secondary. Skrine, Haden, and now Whitner, all can and will lay some slobber knockers.


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Finally had an opportunity to listen to the presser where Whitner was introduced (Dansby and Trufant as well)

Ya know,, I know it's a bit ordinary.. everyone always says the right thing in these pressers..

Something about Whitner was just a little different. Can't put my finger on it..I liked what I heard.

Also liked Dansby as well.. Trufant is laying low. he's not a significant signing.. so we'll see.

I found out something new.. Pettine wanted Dansby in Buffalo last year.. Went after him and didn't get him.. Now he has him.

Just another interesting thing I guess.


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Agree. Don't know if I have ever heard a presser where the guy doesn't say the right things. What hit me with Whitner was his talk about the community. He gets it. That's what I loved about Cribbs. He knew what it meant to be a Brown.

I found it interesting what he had to say about Ginn. Ginn would be a nice pickup although he is just a better version of Benjamin.

With Dansby he was a little to me oriented for my taste. I do hope his confidence and swag is contagious. The D could use some of that. I love his attitude toward being the best player in the league. He was disappointed about not being named DPOY. While I will miss DQ and Ward I am excited to see these two play next year.

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A pretty cool 1-on-1 interview with Whitner.

Sounds like the guy is pretty pumped to be back home and wants to improve the Browns and the Cleveland Community.

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I agree. However, I will say I enjoy watching Whitner's passion about coming home to Cleveland.

But yes, I'd prefer Ward. It's funny in an interview with Whitner, he commented that Pettine told him he was gonna be blitzing more often than he ever did before (not verbatim, but the interview is on the Browns' site)...I thought that was a strength of Ward. Not saying that Whitner is bad at that, but Ward was elite being around the LOS.

It's interesting to see the usage of Whitner. Talk around this board was he was chosen over Ward because of his coverage ability, which may be true. But if the comments from Whitner are accurate, Ward seemed like a fine solution to that.

Oh well. Whitner is a Brown, a Cleveland native, and a very good safety. I root for him to be a dominant force in the secondary.


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Another very important under-discussed thing to consider when comparing Ward-Whitner is experience and development.

Ward has been in the NFL for 4 years, Whitner has double as much with 8 under his belt.

Ward steadily improved in both run and pass. Going from solid to elite in the former and from bad to meh to at least AVG/above AVG vs the pass. He was rewarded with an AllPro selection for this.

Whitner was considered a freelancing SS who sucked in coverage for pretty much 6+ seasons. He himself credits Fangio telling him exactly that to his face, that he sucked in coverage and needed to get better...well, to his credit, he did last season, but his track record and "development curve" is more up and down.

With that said. Who's to say that Ward can't improve even MORE vs the pass. He's already elite and much more consistent vs the run than Whitner and he has more prime years left than him.
The more I think about, the more I consider this swap a lateral move at best. Long term this could come back to bite us as soon as Whtner hits that 10thyear 30yo mark and loses a step. The contract structure speaks volumes: Farmer left himself a real possibility to cut him after 2 seasons. So woth that the question becomes...

...was two more season at Whitner's peak worth it over 4-5 of Ward's who should have more upside left?
I think Dansby over DQ was a no brainer, especially in this scheme. Maybe the scheme will help out here too, but I'm not sure we'll looks smart with this swap 2 years down the road...and if Ward keeps collecting AllPro votes, we'll look stupid anyways


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Don't like this move. Should have paid Ward




That's easy to say when we don't know what happened. By all accounts it looks like Ward took less to go with Denver, He did not want to be here unless we made him the highest paid safety. Just like Mack, If they don't want to be here......See Ya.


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Would'a Could'a Should'a. From everything I've read Ward not only bolted, It looks like he signed the first offer that came his way. Dude is gone, Don't let the door hit ya......Screw him, he didn't want to be here.


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Very good points.


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Doesn't matter what you think might happen in a yr. or two. What part of "doesn't want to be here" don't you understand?


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I don't think that anyone will argue with you that Ward is better than Whitner. In a vacuum, yes... we downgraded.

Also, for a moment, let's not consider whether or not Ward wanted to be here. Everything he put out in the media indicated he preferred Cleveland, but hey, you never know.

In Pettine's scheme, as I've heard, Ward would not have been as effective as he was under Horton. Supposedly, Pettine wants 2 safeties that can both cover and stop the run (vs a SS and a FS). Given that, I suppose it makes sense to not pay a guy that's elite, but doesn't really fit the scheme all that much. While it would be great to keep Ward, it seems that Whitner fits the scheme a little better.

On the flip side, I think it puts pressure on Farmer to get us some more CB help. I think they know this, as they went after Revis. If free agency and the draft passes and we don't have a definite #2 CB, then I'll be mad. I'm not aware of any plugin #2 CBs still in the FA market, so I think we should expect to take a corner high'ish in the draft. I love Skrine, and he definitely showed up this past season, but I think he definitively proved that he's a BA #3 corner with the ability to spot-start at #2.


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I don't agree that Ward is better than Whitner.

I think they are very similar players, but Whit is better in pass coverage [although he isn't great at it] and he whiffs less. He is a better open field tackle, but not as dynamic close to the LOS as Ward is.

Whit got more money than Ward. Despite all the accolades from some, I know what I saw and money talks.

And where is all this talk about Ward not wanting to be here coming from? Is there an article w/quotes from Ward about it? Or, is it just an excuse for the Browns paying more money to another player?

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. but Donte said he is going to be blitzing a lot. Is blitzing safeties common in Pettine's defense anyone who watched the Buffalo games?

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