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My view is that he'll be cut during in the preseason.
Why is that? He was playing very well before that blood clot.
He was playing better than Lauvao.  And that doesn't mean that he's going to get his chance to play again.
Greco was doing a fine enough job at LG last season and Gilkey got his shot at RG towards the end of last season. My guess is that they put the best players on the rosters at those spots in those spots. With that said, we will probably draft an OG in the draft somewhere.
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No, but I'm pretty sure those that do have actually watched the film and see these guys play. That's all it really takes.
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My guess, and that's all it is, is that Pinkston is cut before the season starts.
Well my guess is that if that happens, we will have depleted anything that remotely resembles a starting RG on the current roster.
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No, but I'm pretty sure those that do have actually watched the film and see these guys play. That's all it really takes.
They can watch the tape after viewing them do their drills with their own eyes. 
But, still, Lauvao was allowed to walk because... he sucks ass! How he managed to get a 4-year contract ($5 million guaranteed) from Washington is beyond me. They must be really desperate and their fans must be anxious.
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Well my guess is that if that happens, we will have depleted anything that remotely resembles a starting RG on the current roster.
But Pinkston isn't a RG. He played the LG position before having his blood clot issue and Greco took over and got an extension through the 2017 season. Maybe he can adjust and play RG, but he's going to have plenty of competition for the job. He may be able to stay on as a back-up, but I doubt that he gets a starting OL spot. My guess is that he gets jettisoned.
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This is for other posters other than anarchy. I really think we need to upgrade our guards and possibly our RT, but Pinky's physical skill set is actually better suited to playing RG than LG. With that said, I just don't see the athletic guards on our current roster who will fit in w/our new zone blocking scheme. Greco had the best feet of the bunch, but I think he is 6'5." He isn't as agile as you typically want your guards to be in a zone blocking scheme. We are hurting on our OL right now. But, let's bring in more RBs and WRs.
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I saw Pinkston got in probably the best shape of his life after the clot. I also believe that he made Lava expendable as I saw much better movement in Pinkston last season in his come back.
We are not in dired straights with the OL...no where in URGENT NEED. I sure as heck hope we invest in the draft then we have dug a hole cause we really don't have any depth. Gilkey needs a heck of a lot of work still. Lava was decent those who thought he was garbage just sorry then you just don't know. He got picked up fast - I don't think he was good for the Outside Zone scheme we will implement. I think a healthy Pinkston is probably better than Greco - but that's just me. Neither is a Bum and can start with most teams.
We needed a starting RB n we did get one.
We needed a slot WR and we did get one.
We did not need a starting RG we got Pinkston penciled in there. Yes, I do expect some investments in the draft. But not do to Urgent need. Just BPA stuff.
To expect Pinkston to be cut...sorry anarchy only if we draft a couple of OGs and he proves to still have Physical issues.
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I just have to ask, who on our roster as it stands do you actually feel is athletic enough to give Pinkston a run for his money in regards to starting?
In the zone blocking scheme, I believe Pinkston by far is the only one capable of having any impact. Power and strength alone simply won't cut it in this system.
It would be nice if you were correct about this, but the footwork and athletic ability to play in the zone blocking scheme is something we are sorely lacking in with the current crop of G's on our roster.
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I just have to ask, who on our roster as it stands do you actually feel is athletic enough to give Pinkston a run for his money in regards to starting?
In the zone blocking scheme, I believe Pinkston by far is the only one capable of having any impact. Power and strength alone simply won't cut it in this system.
It would be nice if you were correct about this, but the footwork and athletic ability to play in the zone blocking scheme is something we are sorely lacking in with the current crop of G's on our roster.
I think any and all remaining players not already securing a spot will be fighting for their jobs. This includes Pinkston. Maybe all you gurus out there know everything about it and I'm wrong, but I don't think Pinkston is a sure lock for anything. I actually think he's the least of the players on the OL likely to be kept. I'm not sure if Faulk will be able to go this year or not, but I if he cannot, he'll would probably be jettisoned too. If he can't recoup in two years from a knee injury suffered in college, it'll mean that he probably wouldn't be able to play at a high level.
As for the guards we currently have playing zone blocking scheme, I certainly think that Greco can handle it. The others are yet to be seen. With the addition of Tate, I absolutely think that Gilkey's ability to block his man relentlessly as a positive. Taking his man and driving him out of the play. That should help open holes for Tate.
I have no reason to think that Gilkey wouldn't win the job outright, although, if they aren't sure that he can do the job, drafting a capable prospect would certainly make sense.
Let me ask you, what has Jason Pinkston done to earn his salary up to this point? What did he do to earn a 150% increase in his pay? If he gets cut, he earns a $47k check and nothing more. They'd save $1.389 mil of cap space by cutting him.
I know, you (but not just you) have this undying loyalty to anyone that puts on a Browns uniform, whether they deserve it or not.
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Really I have no more loyalty to any of our players than they have to us. Which is basically zero when someone else shows them dollar signs. I'm simply looking at the skill set needed to play the zone blocking scheme. It involves footwork and lateral movement to succeed in. Pinkston at least has some of that while the others are more power with almost no athleticism or footwork in their resume'. Sort of how we needed to make changes both last year and this year so that the players matched the D, so it is with the OL players matching the scheme. It's really that simple. And I understand your comment about Greco. He is already penciled in, as the roster stands now, at starting at the LG position. That would leave the only other G on the roster with any footwork or lateral movement being Pinkston. It has nothing to do with fan loyalty and everything to do with the skill set it takes to play in this blocking scheme. I guess I do have a some fan loyalty to Joe Thomas. But I think he's earned it.
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Really I have no more loyalty to any of our players than they have to us. Which is basically zero when someone else shows them dollar signs.
I'm simply looking at the skill set needed to play the zone blocking scheme. It involves footwork and lateral movement to succeed in. Pinkston at least has some of that while the others are more power with almost no athleticism or footwork in their resume'.
Gilkey has the footwork for it. He's just stronger than most guards so that's how they play him, pure road grader stuff. He's better than the others in this regard and he's tenacious about it. Frankly, I think he gets pigeonholed because of that. He's so far better at it than others that they look past his ability to zone block.
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Sort of how we needed to make changes both last year and this year so that the players matched the D, so it is with the OL players matching the scheme. It's really that simple.
Pettine has already said that they'll use players with all skill sets and scheme fits. I don't mind having versatility on the field one bit.
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And I understand your comment about Greco. He is already penciled in, as the roster stands now, at starting at the LG position. That would leave the only other G on the roster with any footwork or lateral movement being Pinkston.
We simply disagree. I think that Gilkey's abilities are better than Pinkston's in any scheme you wish to state. Again, Gilkey is so far superior at road grading that his abilities in zone-blocking are overlooked. Furthermore, Gilkey can pull too.
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I guess I do have a some fan loyalty to Joe Thomas. But I think he's earned it.
I have no loyalty to any player. I have a team to cheer for, not a player. Not even Joe Thomas.
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That would certainly be a big name signing, if Farmer and Co. can pull it off.
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I thought for sure the words DRC and Pettine exchanged meant no DRC for CLE.
I guess I would be happy to be wrong? Isn't this guy known for his inconsistent play? Am I confusing him with one of the other Rodgers / Cromarties in the league?
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Just to clarify, Antonio Cromartie was a CB with the Jets, who was just released. He is 29. He has about a hundred illegitimate kids running around.
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a CB most recently with the Broncos. He is 28. He is extremely talented, is a big CB (6'2") has elite speed, but isn't the best tackler in the NFL, and can be a bit of a head case at time, leading him to be ..... *ahem* ......... inconsistent, to be kind.
I would still take him for the right contract. He has shutdown talent.
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Just to clarify, Antonio Cromartie was a CB with the Jets, who was just released. He is 29. He has about a hundred illegitimate kids running around.
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a CB most recently with the Broncos. He is 28. He is extremely talented, is a big CB (6'2") has elite speed, but isn't the best tackler in the NFL, and can be a bit of a head case at time, leading him to be ..... *ahem* ......... inconsistent, to be kind.
I would still take him for the right contract. He has shutdown talent.
The 2 guys are cousins.
Just to make it more confusing - they are both 6'2"
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j/c Seeking his third-team in three years, Rodgers-Cromartie already reportedly turned down a six-year offer worth $54 million from Denver, where he played in 2013. But Dell reported that the deal included only about $5 million guaranteed. Rodgers-Cromartie, who will be 28 in April, was set to make about $10 million the first year, Dell noted. In Cleveland, Rodgers-Cromartie would form a formidable duo with fellow Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden. Profootballfocus.com has Rodgers-Cromartie ranked as the NFL's fifth-best cornerback and Haden No. 18. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_browns_have_reported.html
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Just to clarify, Antonio Cromartie was a CB with the Jets, who was just released. He is 29. He has about a hundred illegitimate kids running around.
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a CB most recently with the Broncos. He is 28. He is extremely talented, is a big CB (6'2") has elite speed, but isn't the best tackler in the NFL, and can be a bit of a head case at time, leading him to be ..... *ahem* ......... inconsistent, to be kind.
I would still take him for the right contract. He has shutdown talent.
The 2 guys are cousins.
Just to make it more confusing - they are both 6'2"
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Hope we sign this Cromartie. I'm surprised Denver couldn't offer more guarenteed.
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Hope we sign this Cromartie. I'm surprised Denver couldn't offer more guarenteed.
I'm not, i think he gets too much love on this board. He's solid, but not elite...he bites ALOT and gets burned, but when he's focused he can be great..his problem is he believes the hype. I think a guy like pettine will provide Joe with the most growth since he's been in the league..I think he will love playing in this defense...having a solid S behind him with ball skills will help him out alot. He can take more chances I think. but getting DRC would be huge for this defense..we'd have a pretty strong backfield. Just need to get the front 7 after the QB
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I'd love the move primarily because DRC (just like Revis) would be a perfect fit opposite Haden. Doesn't make sense to have CB1 be a man guy and CB2 be a zone guy.
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If nothing else, Cromartie would push Joe Haden to be even better. I'd like to see him here. I think Skrine would work harder too. Joe has been the number 1 here without challenge, this would be a challenge to that. Skrine will have to fight for the 3rd spot and not have a spot just handed to him.
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Big Apple-themed battle shaping up for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. His visits with # Jets & # Giants have ended & talks with both are ongoing
Ian Rapoport ‏ @ RapSheet 2m
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is still in NY/NJ until tomorrow, and at this point, # Jets & # Giants are in play. The # Browns are lurking, tho
Ian Rapoport ‏ @ RapSheet 35s
If DRC played for the # Jets, they could utilize him man-to-man. Would be fun to watch. With # Giants, they had a sophisticated plan on usage
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This explains a lot per roto and AP: Colts owners Jim Irsay has been arrested on DUI and drug possession chargers. Irsay was booked around 3am Monday morning in Carmel, a suburb of Indianapolis, and his bond has been set at $22,500. Other than that, details are still emerging. The colorful and outspoken Irsay has been with the Colts since 1982 and took the team over from his father in 1997.
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I have no reason to think that Gilkey wouldn't win the job outright
I'm all for kids developing. But Gilkey when he took the field last year was pretty HORRIBLE, I mean very bad and lost. How do you go from there to you thinking he's going to win the job outright? I hope he progresses and will compete. But that is a big leap from what he showed last year. He has potential...but he is far away from developing into a starter.
You never know - year two can have big leaps in progress. But to count on it???
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Oh Geez... Ya know,, a guy that wealthy can afford to throw a party at his house, catered by the finest restaurant in the area, Bring in all the booze and drugs and women (if that's the desire) he wants. Pay body guards to protect him then party like it's 1999... But Nooooooo, let's get drunk, drugged up and drive a car around like a baffoon...geez
Why do people do this stuff?
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Oh Geez... Ya know,, a guy that wealthy can afford to throw a party at his house, catered by the finest restaurant in the area, Bring in all the booze and drugs and women (if that's the desire) he wants. Pay body guards to protect him then party like it's 1999... But Nooooooo, let's get drunk, drugged up and drive a car around like a baffoon...geez
Why do people do this stuff?
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Oh Geez... Ya know,, a guy that wealthy can afford to throw a party at his house, catered by the finest restaurant in the area, Bring in all the booze and drugs and women (if that's the desire) he wants. Pay body guards to protect him then party like it's 1999... But Nooooooo, let's get drunk, drugged up and drive a car around like a baffoon...geez
Why do people do this stuff?
Or a limo with a driver.
Yup, that too... I don't get it.. Do they think they are above the law?
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Wow, I am stoked to hear we are at least "lurking" at DR Cromartie!!!
I won't lie, I was all aboard the "Trade for Revis" bandwagon. Just the image of Revis and Haden was SICK!!! But now, if we don't sign at least one more corner, we will almost be forced to take 2 in the draft. I feel one is a foregone conclusion. But if DRC can come in, then we are drafting for the future, and hopefully won't be forced to play the rookie other than in spot duty!!!
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We may be lurking, but I doubt he leaves NYC. Sounds like that is where he wants to be.
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