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If he DOES want to be here, why hasnt he signed his 10 million dollar tag?
Why would he?
Once he signs the tender, then any potential negotiating on a long term deal with anyone but the Browns is over.He then has only one negotiating partner.
I think that he wants a long term contract more than anything. He wants the guarantees that come up front on such a deal. If he can't get that, then he'll sign the tender. No way does he walk away from a $10 million single year payoff.
Maybe, at that point, the coaching staff convinces him that we are on the right track. maybe it takes going into the season to make that happen, and maybe he signs a new deal later in this season ....... or, maybe he doesn't, and takes his chances.
Face it, since Mack was drafted, he has played for Mangini, Shurmur, and Chud ........ and if he comes back it will be his 4th head coach in 5 seasons. I can see how that would wear on a player. We need to get the coaching aspect under control, so that we have some stability there. Only then can players feel like we are actually building something. If we win some games, and appear like we're on the right track, then maybe Mack settles back into a comfort zone. If not, then he almost certainly never will.
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49ers signed their one year stop gap center.... Cook. Mack will sign, advise Browns NOT to tag him next year and the 9ers will get him. I would tag his arse anyway and work out a deal with them.... all JMHO.. wouldn't want to be accused of fabricating a pontification 
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Mack will sign, advise Browns NOT to tag him next year and the 9ers will get him. I would tag his arse anyway and work out a deal with them.... all JMHO.. wouldn't want to be accused of fabricating a pontification
ooops... lol wrong cook, man it must be getting late
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The Browns can tag him for as many years as they want, as long as they don't use a tag on anyone else.
However, we will have Haden coming up next year, and he is a franchise tag candidate ..... and then later we'll have Gordon and Cameron as well. We'll almost certainly need that franchise tag.
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I thought you could only tag someone for two years in a row? Or is that just franchise?
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I thought you could only tag someone for two years in a row? Or is that just franchise?
I believe that you can franchise someone indefinitely ... it just becomes ungodly expensive.
The 1st year is the tender. The 2nd year is at least 120% of the 1st year tender. The 3rd year is an average of the top 5 contracts in the NFL. (not just at the player's position) It becomes cost prohibitive, unless you have a top 5 QB.
That's why we tagged Dawson 2 years in a row, then let him leave. He would have required an average of the top 5 NFL contracts in order to franchise him for a 3rd year.
So, as I understand it. with the transition tag, we would likely have to give Mack a 120% raise over this year's tag amount to apply the tag for next year, and to do so for a 3rd year would require another 120% contract, or an average of the top 10 contracts in the NFL, all contracts, not just players at the same position, whichever is greater. (and that would include QB contacts)
Edit: For Franchise players, the % increases to at least 144% for a 3rd consecutive tag.
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Dumb comment by an agent... really dumb.
Do you know who Marvin Demoff is?
Yeah, what's the difference? Are you trying to tell me that smart people that are good at what they do never make dumb comments?
Look, if he pulls it off and Mack leaves, then I'll have to eat a little crow, but I think I'll be dining on Filet..
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you can franchise for I think 3, but that third year is killer money.. Not sure about the Transition Tag
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My 98 cents change... lol 
How long...June or July. Miss OTA's could very well be - We can see how a few other look snapping and shot gun. As long as he is in by training camp.
Sit out the season...I doubt he turns up his nose and gives up 10 mil. After we visited him in Calif. he stated that it won't be bad staying at Cleveland as he previously thought. He liked the approach to him and it OPENED the DOOR...a crack or more? But its opened. He will sign the Tag and be in training camp. Next year same ordeal. Well he will have a year to get into the team and the new coaches if we show some success and stability. He just might sign.
And again I'll repeat this. If the worst happens. Center is not the rarest position out there. I don't wish to change Centers but its not like losing a QB, Left Tackle, Edge Rusher extraordinaire, Cover Corner...Center is not a rare breed.
We get him for a year - give him reasons to stay - if he still wants to leave - Franchise tag him and then trade his rights to somebody else for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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What I'm saying us that I fail to see how Demoff's comments are 'really dumb'.
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“I’m confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by the Browns—and would be in full compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement,’’
What, exactly, is 'really dumb' about that statement?
What would you have done or said differently?
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Are you trying to tell me that smart people that are good at what they do never make dumb comments?
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“I’m confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by the Browns—and would be in full compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement,’’
What, exactly, is 'really dumb' about that statement?
What would you have done or said differently?
can you think of one deal that we CAN'T match? I mean, we can all come up with deals that the Browns won't and shouldn't match.. Like, 25 mil a year for 10 years. If the Browns matched that, I'd call them idiots and so would you right?
As for what I would have done, I'd have kept my mouth shut and done my freakin job.
That's what!
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Just draft Marcus Martin in 2nd Round. He can play LG in 2014. Kick Mack to the curb after this coming year and he moves into C position for 2015.
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“I’m confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by the Browns—and would be in full compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement,’’
What, exactly, is 'really dumb' about that statement?
What would you have done or said differently?
can you think of one deal that we CAN'T match?
Where in the above quote does Demoff claim that he can strike a deal the Browns can't match?
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That's what!
He's an agent. Running his mouth is a big part of doing his job.
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“I’m confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by the Browns—and would be in full compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement,’’
What, exactly, is 'really dumb' about that statement?
What would you have done or said differently?
can you think of one deal that we CAN'T match?
Where in the above quote does Demoff claim that he can strike a deal the Browns can't match?
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As for what I would have done, I'd have kept my mouth shut and done my freakin job.
That's what!
He's an agent. Running his mouth is a big part of doing his job.
Yours isn't' the only place to see what the agent said
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/
There are other articles on here where he's quoted as saying he can craft a deal that the Browns can't match. If you JUST look at your one quote, I'd be wrong, but I've read others including the one I linked to above.
As for being a load mouth, if you can't back it up, its DUMB
Now, can you think of any deal the Browns can't match. The only team with more cap space than us is the Raiders and they are probably crazy enough to offer a deal we WON'T match.. But CAN'T is a different story.
I stand by my comment that its a dumb comment.
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Just draft Marcus Martin in 2nd Round. He can play LG in 2014. Kick Mack to the curb after this coming year and he moves into C position for 2015.
Welcome to the board! are you a refugee from the Browns main site?
I don't know who Marcus Martin is, but if he's as good as Mack and you can assure me that we can get him, that makes a lotta difference. But, given your saying he's a second round pick and he's someone who's name isn't on everyones tongue (not that that actually matters that much) I'd guess he's not as good as Mack.
Am I reading you right?
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IMO, Marcus Martin is a decent center who had the game of his life against Notre Dame's Stephen Tuitt, which made ND homer Mike Mayock decide he was the best center in the draft. Really he's probably about the 5th best center with his main advantage over the other guys being that he played in what is referred to as an NFL offense.
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I don't know who Marcus Martin is, but ...
...maybe you should check out the draft eligible centers. They are (in no particular order):
- Travis Swanson, Arkansas, 6-3, 310
- Weston Richburg, Colorado St, 6-4, 300
- Bryan Stork, Florida St, 6-4, 306
- Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3, 310
- Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma, 6-3, 302
And of course, they're not as good as Mack, as they haven't played one snap yet. You gave the rook a bit of a rough ride, D-M-H...
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My thoughts on Martin was that he started as a Guard and moved to Center last year. His skill set is reminiscent of Mack's according to some scouts. By drafting him this year to play LG and keeping Mack for this year, we have improved our OL and have Mack's replacement for next year, assuming Mack still wants out. The idea is to find someone in the draft, with upside, who can play both G and C, ultimately. Here is the link to Martin. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851125/marcus-martin
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... find someone in the draft, with upside, who can play both G and C, ultimately...
You may very well be right, Wolf. Why could it not be part of Farmer's plan? We simply don't know...
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Yours isn't' the only place to see what the agent said
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/
There are other articles on here where he's quoted as saying he can craft a deal that the Browns can't match. If you JUST look at your one quote, I'd be wrong, but I've read others including the one I linked to above.
The above link does not contain any quotes or statements from Demoff claiming that he could craft a deal that the Browns couldn't match.
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...maybe you should check out the draft eligible centers. They are (in no particular order):
- Travis Swanson, Arkansas, 6-3, 310
- Weston Richburg, Colorado St, 6-4, 300
- Bryan Stork, Florida St, 6-4, 306
- Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3, 310
- Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma, 6-3, 302
And of course, they're not as good as Mack, as they haven't played one snap yet. You gave the rook a bit of a rough ride, D-M-H...
Oh I didn't mean too at all.. Just pointing out that you can't always get the guy you want when you want him so you almost always have to take him higher.. But, then you get beat on for taking a guy too early.
Anyway, the point really was that there is no guarantees that you get that guy, and there are no guarantees that he'll be anywhere near as good as Mack.
So, better the bird in hand than any in the Bush
Wolf, I meant you no harm....
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/
There are other articles on here where he's quoted as saying he can craft a deal that the Browns can't match. If you JUST look at your one quote, I'd be wrong, but I've read others including the one I linked to above.
The above link does not contain any quotes or statements from Demoff claiming that he could craft a deal that the Browns couldn't match.
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Like I said, there were several other articles where something like this was quoted
"I'm confident we can craft a deal that the Browns Can't match"
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/
There are other articles on here where he's quoted as saying he can craft a deal that the Browns can't match. If you JUST look at your one quote, I'd be wrong, but I've read others including the one I linked to above.
The above link does not contain any quotes or statements from Demoff claiming that he could craft a deal that the Browns couldn't match.
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Like I said, there were several other articles where something like this was quoted
"I'm confident we can craft a deal that the Browns Can't match"
If there are several, could you provide at least one?
The first paragraph does not quote Demoff saying that he can craft a deal the Browns can't match. That is the author, Josh Alper, saying that. If you click the link that says 'he was confident', you will be taken to a Mike Florio piece, which cites the original Demoff quote that reads:
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/
There are other articles on here where he's quoted as saying he can craft a deal that the Browns can't match. If you JUST look at your one quote, I'd be wrong, but I've read others including the one I linked to above.
The above link does not contain any quotes or statements from Demoff claiming that he could craft a deal that the Browns couldn't match.
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Earlier this week, Browns Center Alex Mack’s agent Marvin Demoff said that he was confident that he could put together a deal for his client that the Browns, who placed a transition tag on Mack, wouldn’t be able to match.
Like I said, there were several other articles where something like this was quoted
"I'm confident we can craft a deal that the Browns Can't match"
If there are several, could you provide at least one?
The first paragraph does not quote Demoff saying that he can craft a deal the Browns can't match. That is the author, Josh Alper, saying that. If you click the link that says 'he was confident', you will be taken to a Mike Florio piece, which cites the original Demoff quote that reads:
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Nit picking much.. There are many,, Go look
Here's one..
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers
that took me about 3 seconds.
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Not to nit pick, but the actual quote from Demoff from your link is as follows....... Quote:
"I'm confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by the Browns -- and would be in full compliance with the collective bargaining agreement," Demoff said Monday night.
Sadly writers often times title stories to attract readers. Not that the title truly reflects what was said.
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Sadly writers often times title stories to attract readers. Not that the title truly reflects what was said.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter, making comments like that to me is just dumb..
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Where's all the offers that his agent was gonna craft for him? My guess is he signs the tag within one week and fires his agent immediately after doing so. It's obvious that he wants out but it's looking more and more like we're the only team that's really interested. It will be nice to have him back for a year but definitely not worth $10 million+. Hopefully he just realizes that he's stuck with us and signs a fair three year deal.
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I don't know where the offers are, but I do know there is still time. His agent, as much as I think the comments were dumber than a box of rocks, is still a damn fine agent.
I doubt he fires him.
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Unless the agent is out playing hockey.
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Sadly writers often times title stories to attract readers. Not that the title truly reflects what was said.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter, making comments like that to me is just dumb..
Furthermore, when he says anything in relation to a client, he IS speaking FOR that client. It's up to the client to set it straight and Mack never did. Therefore, it's as good as if it came out of Mack's own mouth. Period.
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Nit picking much.. There are many,, Go look
Here's one..
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers
that took me about 3 seconds.
This link also does not contain any quotes from Demoff claiming that he can strike a deal that the Browns can't match.
The last two links you've provided have both cited the same quote that I've posted.
I'm going to go ahead and assume at this point that you don't know what you're talking about.
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I might be in blasphemy territory here, but I don't get all the A. Mack love. Yes he is an above average Centre. But I don't think he is in the elite territory. With our salary cap I understand using the transition tag... but we have a good backup Centre, and good centres can be found in the 3rd to 4th rounds of the draft. Keep him for a year, and if he still wants to go, or wants more than $4-5 mill a year, let him go.
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I might be in blasphemy territory here, but I don't get all the A. Mack love. Yes he is an above average Centre. But I don't think he is in the elite territory. With our salary cap I understand using the transition tag... but we have a good backup Centre, and good centres can be found in the 3rd to 4th rounds of the draft. Keep him for a year, and if he still wants to go, or wants more than $4-5 mill a year, let him go.
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Actually, Mack is pretty far about average.. Name 4 centers in the NFL right now that are better?
He was drafted by us. He's home grown so to speak. You can't keep spending 1st round picks and not keep the ones that worked out. He, JT, Haden are the only guys taken in the first round by us that have performed well enough to make it to the ProBowl. We've not had much luck with that so when we get one, we can't let them just walk away.
It's very important for us to hang onto Mack and sign him to a long term deal. It sends a message. We'll have to deal with Haden next year and I don't want to see a redo of the Mack thing. And I don't want to have to choose between Mack and Haden next year either. Besides, Mack will cost more next year.
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I wasn't saying we shouldn't resign him, in fact I put a price on him $5M. I also said that with our current salary cap I am happy with the transitional tag. Just long term I wouldn't be looking at much more than $5M a yr guaranteed. I just don't believe a centre is worth much more than this.
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Name 4 centers in the NFL right now that are better?
I can't even name 4 centers in the NFL right now.
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Am I trying to be a better person?
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I wasn't saying we shouldn't resign him, in fact I put a price on him $5M. I also said that with our current salary cap I am happy with the transitional tag. Just long term I wouldn't be looking at much more than $5M a yr guaranteed. I just don't believe a centre is worth much more than this.
Just to be fair, how did you arrive at 5mil?
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I wasn't saying we shouldn't resign him, in fact I put a price on him $5M. I also said that with our current salary cap I am happy with the transitional tag. Just long term I wouldn't be looking at much more than $5M a yr guaranteed. I just don't believe a centre is worth much more than this.
Just to be fair, how did you arrive at 5mil?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/687866...ter-sources-say
IMO Kalil is a beter C than Mack. Maybe I undervalue Centres, but with Greco as a backup, I don't think we have to overpay at the Centre position. Also as I said in my original post I would still look at a OG/C in the 3rd round.
I just dont see it as a need position. While we have the cap I have n/p with the $10M for Mack next yr. We have cap to burn so use it. But if he is still unwilling to sign for around the $5M a year mark (ok bump this up by a mill or 2.. I was probably being a bit mean), I don't believe he is worth $10M+ which is what it seems like he is wanting.
I still think he is above average... not elite, hence what i would be willing to pay.
But again only my opinion, not going to be upset for people to disagree
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You all need to relax. Mack's agents are taking him for a ride, filling his head with big promises and that bubble he's in will soon burst. Mack will find that his best days as a Brown are still to come and he will sign long term.
I know all of this because I borrowed the boards crystal ball to take the guess work out of the Mack situation...
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Is that the same crystal ball that says we'll win the AFC North every year? 
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