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Is that the same crystal ball that says we'll win the AFC North every year? 
don't think so. I didn't lend him mine. 
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don't think so. I didn't lend him mine.
You can buy them for $1.99 off the shelf at Wal-Mart.
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I wasn't saying we shouldn't resign him, in fact I put a price on him $5M. I also said that with our current salary cap I am happy with the transitional tag. Just long term I wouldn't be looking at much more than $5M a yr guaranteed. I just don't believe a centre is worth much more than this.
Just to be fair, how did you arrive at 5mil?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/687866...ter-sources-say
IMO Kalil is a beter C than Mack. Maybe I undervalue Centres, but with Greco as a backup, I don't think we have to overpay at the Centre position. Also as I said in my original post I would still look at a OG/C in the 3rd round.
I just dont see it as a need position. While we have the cap I have n/p with the $10M for Mack next yr. We have cap to burn so use it. But if he is still unwilling to sign for around the $5M a year mark (ok bump this up by a mill or 2.. I was probably being a bit mean), I don't believe he is worth $10M+ which is what it seems like he is wanting.
I still think he is above average... not elite, hence what i would be willing to pay.
But again only my opinion, not going to be upset for people to disagree
Forget Greco,, he's not half the center that Mack is. You named 1 center in the league that you feel if better than Mack.. Maybe he is.. For this discussion, I'll just agree.
That would mean that 30 other Centers aren't as good as Mack.
And to me it does appear that you are undervaluing Center. By a bunch..
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Forget Greco,, he's not half the center that Mack is.
I haven't seen him play there...have you. Do you realize the skill set to play Center is less than any other position on the OL. The big thing about Center is the communication and read skills to make Line calls. Did you know in 2012 Greco was put in at LG and he was making the Line calls cause Mack was still struggling with it in our new offense?
As good? I don't know I would have to see him actually play the position for a year or a half season at least before I make the statement like that above.
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So how much is it worth to pay a guy who will be involved in about every offensive play? Mack is worth serious money, for a short term and more long term. Very durable. Greco is not an answer. Load him up with incentives and reachable escalators. Hope he signs it for chemistry purposes before camp. 
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I haven't seen him play there...have you. Do you realize the skill set to play Center is less than any other position on the OL.
To be fair, no, I haven't. But I'm sure the powers in Berea have and the Tagged Mack in an effort to keep him. That speaks volumes
I don't think I agree with you about the skill set for Center. He's in on every Offensive play, he calls out the D and has to block his butt off.
So, I don't agree with that at all..
My point is, you don't get a talent like Mack all the time. Pay the man..
I think a lot of the problem with the money stuff is perception. You look at past Centers and you see one that makes 7 mill and you say, hey, we aren't going to pay more than that.. Truth is, we will. We'll need to to keep Mack. And that will happen on no small part due to the increase in CAP.
CAP increases and in turn so do player salaries. Just the natural thing to happen.
it could be that 9 million is the new 7 million
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He's in on every Offensive play So's the rest of the OL...lol 
Did you mean touched the ball every O rep?
As mentioned Greco was used all be it a half of season to make the line calls. That was with Mack at Center.
I am not sure you are grasping the meaning of "SKILL SET" - What you do with that skill set is another thing. Not saying its the least important...just stating the skill set needed to become a center is not that great.
The more I look at this upcoming OL class in the draft - there are some solid depth in it. But If we upgraded both OGs and lost Mack...Greco would be just fine.
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Did you know in 2012 Greco was put in at LG and he was making the Line calls cause Mack was still struggling with it in our new offense?
you have anything besides your word on that? any link at all?
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You are going to have to prove that to me.. I don't believe that for one second Eo... sorry man, but that doesn't sound right at all..
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Don't have to prove anything - Just my memory as that did stick in my head cause I was not too keen on Greco it was there that I started to look at him in a different light. So I got too guys wanting proof in an article...shall I write one or ask a 15 year old to do so this way its in print for you doubters.
I can care less if you believe me or not...it didn't last long cause Greco was not in permanently. One game it happened all the time??? I just remember that fact cause as an OL nut it was important to me.
Now pblack is going around dissing me saying things about Lava and me about Mack...not so much you Daman just that you would prefer some "PRINT" that's ok but pblack you are on a mission to discredit me still with Lava and now Mack for a guy who knows nothing about football but I see how it is.
Oh and before I get post about being condescending and all that garbage...pblack has been going around trying to discredit me about OL for two days now. On a subject I am pretty well versed on and know what I'm talking about. I remember a lot of things regarding the OL...most of you remember about WRs and RBs me I remember about OL.
Is it earth shattering that he made the Line calls or not. Its been done before. I think Steinbach made line calls at one time???
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Is it earth shattering that he made the Line calls or not. Its been done before. I think Steinbach made line calls at one time???
Please don't think I was dissing you also Eo.. it's just that I don't ever remember hearing that Greco called any plays. In fact, one of the things that is so important about retaining Mack is his intellect. He's a smart kid.. Both everyday smart and football smart. Which is why I questioned why anyone would have Greco calling plays. that's not a knock on Greco. Just makes me wonder.
As for Steinbach, I don't remember who was the Center at the time. Might have been Hank Fraley,,, (although he was a pretty good center so I'm not sure why someone else would need to call the plays)
However, I do remember hearing of Stienbach calling plays. In fact, he was like a Backup Center and LT as well I think right? Here is something to consider
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Prior to the start of free agency in 2007, the Browns re-signed Fraley to a four-year contract for an undisclosed amount.[2] He made his 100th NFL career start versus the Buffalo Bills on December 16.
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But I do remember it being said that Steinbach called plays, I just don't remember when it was,.
As for Greco, That I just don't remember that ever being said.
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It doesn't make much sense for teams to go to the effort to work out his contract for us.
My feeling is this is heading to him signing the tag and we then end up trading him to a team who wants him and can work out a deal less than the tag amount. I don't think Mack wants to be in Cleveland.
If he and his agent don't want to work with us to get a long term deal in place by the time June hits, I say float this idea and cut our losses.
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I guess it's not all that surprising.
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It doesn't make much sense for teams to go to the effort to work out his contract for us.
My feeling is this is heading to him signing the tag and we then end up trading him to a team who wants him and can work out a deal less than the tag amount. I don't think Mack wants to be in Cleveland.
If he and his agent don't want to work with us to get a long term deal in place by the time June hits, I say float this idea and cut our losses.
Agreed, the longer this goes on the more I think he doesn't want to be here.
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the funny part out of this ordeal is that just about 1/2 to 2/3 the NFL teams could offer him a deal that could pry him away from Cleveland. updated cap space numbers http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/1 Oakland Raiders 49,700,199 2 Cleveland Browns 43,391,892 3 Jacksonville Jaguars 33,579,142 4 New York Jets 30,940,386 5 Cincinnati Bengals 28,248,669 6 Miami Dolphins 22,524,693 7 Philadelphia Eagles 20,969,382 8 Green Bay Packers 20,382,386 9 Seattle Seahawks 20,382,088 10 Minnesota Vikings 17,570,959 11 Indianapolis Colts 16,576,217 12 Buffalo Bills 15,497,915 13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14,652,042 14 Dallas Cowboys 14,066,297 15 Houston Texans 13,629,432 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 13,585,426 17 St. Louis Rams 12,925,758 18 Baltimore Ravens 12,236,973 19 New York Giants 11,029,591 20 Atlanta Falcons 10,614,756 21 Carolina Panthers 9,775,547 22 New England Patriots 9,657,504 23 Tennessee Titans 8,659,203 24 Arizona Cardinals 8,524,734 25 Washington Redskins 8,177,837
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The Browns would be wise to figure out their stance at the end of free agency and give players such as Gordon, Cameron, Haden, Mack, Sheard ETC. extensions that are all front loaded into this year to eat up as much space as possible and open up space in the future.
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I don't know man. In the end they would be looking at money we could match. It's not like some team is going to give him 13 mil a year for 4 years.
The more I think about it, I think I would call the agent now and tell him we would be open to trading him once he signs the tender. Tell him to find the team and the deal he likes with a 1st rounder sent to us next year. If they can get it done before this years draft, we'll take a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.
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I don't know man. In the end they would be looking at money we could match. It's not like some team is going to give him 13 mil a year for 4 years.
The more I think about it, I think I would call the agent now and tell him we would be open to trading him once he signs the tender. Tell him to find the team and the deal he likes with a 1st rounder sent to us next year. If they can get it done before this years draft, we'll take a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.
That is kind of how I feel especially if he doesn't want to play here.
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the funny part out of this ordeal is that just about 1/2 to 2/3 the NFL teams could offer him a deal that could pry him away from Cleveland.
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http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/
1 Oakland Raiders 49,700,199
2 Cleveland Browns 43,391,892
3 Jacksonville Jaguars 33,579,142
4 New York Jets 30,940,386
5 Cincinnati Bengals 28,248,669
6 Miami Dolphins 22,524,693
7 Philadelphia Eagles 20,969,382
8 Green Bay Packers 20,382,386
9 Seattle Seahawks 20,382,088
10 Minnesota Vikings 17,570,959
11 Indianapolis Colts 16,576,217
12 Buffalo Bills 15,497,915
13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14,652,042
14 Dallas Cowboys 14,066,297
15 Houston Texans 13,629,432
16 Pittsburgh Steelers 13,585,426
17 St. Louis Rams 12,925,758
18 Baltimore Ravens 12,236,973
19 New York Giants 11,029,591
20 Atlanta Falcons 10,614,756
21 Carolina Panthers 9,775,547
22 New England Patriots 9,657,504
23 Tennessee Titans 8,659,203
24 Arizona Cardinals 8,524,734
25 Washington Redskins 8,177,837
And then we match it and they have just negotiated the contract for us..LOL Sounds like a plan!
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If Mack is a Brown this year he has some serious PR damage control he needs to do. Going out and seeing what you can bring in on the open market is one thing; his attitude throughout this ordeal is another.
Jimmy doesn't play.
I've updated my position on this. He can be replaced. Alex, if you don't want to be a part of this then get the &^%$ out!
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I've updated my position on this. He can be replaced. Alex, if you don't want to be a part of this then get the &^%$ out!
Can't you see he's trying? Do you think he asked to be tagged? I've been saying it all along that I thought Alex didn't want to remain here and that the Brown's tag limits his possibilities so much, it's basically forcing him to remain here.
Get mad at the Browns for trying to kill a guy's chances of moving onto another team, not the guy that has played hard and been pretty calm/docile about this situation that he likely didn't want/ask to be in in terms of being tagged. He'd likely done already have his locker cleared out, his bags packed and heading off to his new team if it weren't for being tagged by us. Now he's finding that no teams will want to even look at him cause the associated tag.
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If Mack is a Brown this year he has some serious PR damage control he needs to do. Going out and seeing what you can bring in on the open market is one thing; his attitude throughout this ordeal is another.
old...has Mack said one word publicly?
I believe the only one talking is his agent, who has been desperately trying to negotiate via the media with no takers....but I have not heard a word from Mack.
Mack's agent might have a PR problem..but I don't hold it against Mack for what his agent says.
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old...has Mack said one word publicly?
I believe the only one talking is his agent, who has been desperately trying to negotiate via the media with no takers....but I have not heard a word from Mack.
Mack's agent might have a PR problem..but I don't hold it against Mack for what his agent says.
He's been quoted in a few articles Mac.. But he hasn't really said anything telling.
But yeah, his agents have a PR problem if he comes here to play.. They have been taking this to the streets instead of keeping it in house where it belongs. If the intent all along was to stay here, then I'd think they'd be quiet.
So to me, it's saying, he wants out.
Someone else brought it up I think, but my twist on it is what happens if another teams wants him, makes him a reasonable offer, he accepts and we agree NOT to match if said team gives up its first round selection this year or next?
I know a team that would do that... the Colts LOL. Only this time, they'd be getting a player that will actually work out well.... 
NOTE: With the colts it would have to be next years 1st round pick.
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I don't know man. In the end they would be looking at money we could match. It's not like some team is going to give him 13 mil a year for 4 years.
The more I think about it, I think I would call the agent now and tell him we would be open to trading him once he signs the tender. Tell him to find the team and the deal he likes with a 1st rounder sent to us next year. If they can get it done before this years draft, we'll take a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.
I guess I'm looking at it from... we "could" match the offer but It is also based on the fact that we would still want him at somewhere around 8 mill a year. His agent is doing more damage than he is helping Mack's situation. I would think that we would likely just let him go and we would receive compensation in next year's draft. We probably could find a similar type center in the 3rd or 4th.
there also has been lots of talk that he's had contact and negotiated with several teams like Indy. It just all fell apart before a deal was stuck or he visited anywhere.
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I seem to remember hearing something about the Cap space this year being carried over to future years for the length of the new CBA. Not sure at all, just some vague recollection.
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Jimmy doesn't play.
I've updated my position on this. He can be replaced. Alex, if you don't want to be a part of this then get the &^%$ out!
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Its ok Daman.
Prove it or not it doesn't really matter. I remember and it wasn't a lot just a few games. But at the time he was the most experience in Shurmur's offense. He's always been spoken of as very intelligent and not talking where he was well read in Dante's work. If for some reason we do lose Mack I am pretty sure he can still jump in. I am almost certain Mack will sign the tender and we got a year to win him over and sign him long term. But Greco is not a bad alternative even if its temporary. I'd rather keep continuity as long as they can execute the new system and blocking schemes. That is the most important thing for me with Mack staying. He goes you got Greco moving - Lava gone the entire Interior and their OT partners all changing up. Right not we will have Pinkston taking Lava's spot. We might make an upgrade from the draft or have some talent to develop that is more ready than Gilkey who is still far off and now he has to learn an entirely new system and blocking scheme.
OL needs continuity. Most important.
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The poor, poor millionaire. They are willing to pay him top dollar or at the least a deal that will make him rich the rest of his life. I'll trade places any day. ANY day.
The Browns drafted him, trained and deveoloped him and want to keep him around and pay him well. Sorry but Mack has nothing to complain about.
I also dont think he is upset.
He will start receiving offers soon. Teams just didn't want to make bid that tied up their available cap to MAYBE get him. Once FA settles down a bit there will be some teams ready to make him a serious offer.
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I'm confused by something.
How in the hell can anyone compare Greco to Mack and further more, how can anyone say they'll get a guy as good as Mack in the draft in the 3rd of 4th round. I've now heard that several times.
If the latter were true (the part about the 3rd or 4th round), why would anyone ever pay Mack the big bucks to get him. Why would any ever pay a Center that kinda money ever. Why would there ever be a Center making 5 or 6 or 7 million a year?
Let me say this so it's out of the way, yes, you can get one that's pretty good in any round or off the UDFA list. It's just not guaranteed like some seem to think.
We have actually been luck around here since 2007. We've had Fraley and Mack. But we shouldn't take that for granted.
If the Browns really feel as some folks do, (and I suspect they do not) then why even bother with the tag.. Just let him go or better yet, franchise him with a 1st round tag and trade him.
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I'm confused by something.
How in the hell can anyone compare Greco to Mack and further more, how can anyone say they'll get a guy as good as Mack in the draft in the 3rd of 4th round. I've now heard that several times.
If the latter were true (the part about the 3rd or 4th round), why would anyone ever pay Mack the big bucks to get him. Why would any ever pay a Center that kinda money ever. Why would there ever be a Center making 5 or 6 or 7 million a year?
Let me say this so it's out of the way, yes, you can get one that's pretty good in any round or off the UDFA list. It's just not guaranteed like some seem to think.
We have actually been luck around here since 2007. We've had Fraley and Mack. But we shouldn't take that for granted.
If the Browns really feel as some folks do, (and I suspect they do not) then why even bother with the tag.. Just let him go or better yet, franchise him with a 1st round tag and trade him.
Guess I will start by answering this.
What I was saying that Mack WAS worth $5-$$7M a yr, just not the $10+M I think he agent is wanting. As I have previously started, I believe Mack is above average, but not in the elite category to warrant a $10M plus a yr long term contract.
2nd I think we have a more than capable backup at C in Greco, if Mack does decide to sit the year out, and we can get a backup to Greco/future starter in the 3rd round.
Now no one is saying Mack is a bad C. I think it comes down to how much you value the Centre position and are willing to pay compared to other positions.
Now maybe we are all just arguing over semantics and around the edges 
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The Browns drafted him, trained and deveoloped him and want to keep him around and pay him well. Sorry but Mack has nothing to complain about.
Unless we need to apologise for him having to play in Cleveland -- I guess.
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I'm confused by something.
How in the hell can anyone compare Greco to Mack and further more, how can anyone say they'll get a guy as good as Mack in the draft in the 3rd of 4th round. I've now heard that several times.
If the latter were true (the part about the 3rd or 4th round), why would anyone ever pay Mack the big bucks to get him. Why would any ever pay a Center that kinda money ever. Why would there ever be a Center making 5 or 6 or 7 million a year?
Let me say this so it's out of the way, yes, you can get one that's pretty good in any round or off the UDFA list. It's just not guaranteed like some seem to think.
We have actually been luck around here since 2007. We've had Fraley and Mack. But we shouldn't take that for granted.
If the Browns really feel as some folks do, (and I suspect they do not) then why even bother with the tag.. Just let him go or better yet, franchise him with a 1st round tag and trade him.
Guess I will start by answering this.
What I was saying that Mack WAS worth $5-$$7M a yr, just not the $10+M I think he agent is wanting. As I have previously started, I believe Mack is above average, but not in the elite category to warrant a $10M plus a yr long term contract.
2nd I think we have a more than capable backup at C in Greco, if Mack does decide to sit the year out, and we can get a backup to Greco/future starter in the 3rd round.
Now no one is saying Mack is a bad C. I think it comes down to how much you value the Centre position and are willing to pay compared to other positions.
Now maybe we are all just arguing over semantics and around the edges
what the heck lol. I like Greco but to say he is anything more than a very average guard is wrong. he struggles with the bull rush to much to be anything but average. now I just cant see him at center because the 3/4 nose tackles would eat him up for a snack.
as for as mack? I think the guard play and the different offence the 5 years he has been here has held him back from being one of the true elite centers in the nfl.
naw anybody that says "very little drop off between Greco and mack" just doesn't know what he is talking about.
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If Mack is a Brown this year he has some serious PR damage control he needs to do. Going out and seeing what you can bring in on the open market is one thing; his attitude throughout this ordeal is another.
old...has Mack said one word publicly?
I believe the only one talking is his agent, who has been desperately trying to negotiate via the media with no takers....but I have not heard a word from Mack.
Mack's agent might have a PR problem..but I don't hold it against Mack for what his agent says.
Come on Mac.....don't play dumb. Agents only refelct the instructions of their client. If Mack said get a deal done with Cleveland, a deal would be done.
Trust me, part of a agents job is to be a buffer for his/her client. It's a part of the job to take the flak. Don't think the agent is dictating the road to take. This is wage negotiations.....not some criminal case where you can bet the lawyer is telling the client what to say, what not to say, and when to STFU and let me do my best.
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what the heck lol. I like Greco but to say he is anything more than a very average guard is wrong. he struggles with the bull rush to much to be anything but average. now I just cant see him at center because the 3/4 nose tackles would eat him up for a snack.
as for as mack? I think the guard play and the different offence the 5 years he has been here has held him back from being one of the true elite centers in the nfl.
naw anybody that says "very little drop off between Greco and mack" just doesn't know what he is talking about.
lol I think we are agreeing to some extent.
I didn't say there was little drop off between Mack and Greco. I said Greco was a capable C... ie an average player but not terrible, who can fill a hole. Of course I would rather have Mack. Although as stated I don't see him as dominating at his position.
My point was on pay. This is based on MY value of the position and Macks ability. I am saying that $5-$7M a year seems about right. So say a four year contract at $25M with maybe $10-15M of that guaranteed. I just don't value the C position at say four yrs $40M, $20-$25M guaranteed. Also since other teams seem not to be knocking down Macks door to sign him.
Again my intent wasn't to knock Macks ability, but rather looking at his salary expectations. But then again I am an armchair general manager
As for 3rd round Centres this draft, Swanson is projected as a 3rd round prospect, if Mack wants out I would be happy to draft him and have him sit behind Greco for a year.
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I recall hearing this same information about Greco and the line calls.
As far a resolution for this free agency situation with Mack. I would explain to Alex that the team wants to resign him but that we need to get a deal before the draft. If he's unwilling to except a long term offer his option would be to play under the transition for 2014. Inform him if this happens we will draft his replacement this year and he can pursue other options in 2015.
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