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That might make some fans feel good, but isn't necessarily what's best for the team. A "bird in the hand" is the operative idea here. Mack's performance is known; there is no guarantee that his replacement will equal/exceed his level of play.
This process takes time. AFAIC, no news is good news. The time to start worrying about an instant replacement for Mack is when we hear of an offer by some other team. Until then, I'm planning to field Mack this year, while drafting his potential replacement this May.
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By the sounds of it, there's been nothing happening of any sort. Teams that "would be" interested would likely have popped up and acquired about Mack's services, but "seemingly" nothing or no one has. Why keep prolonging it? Just sign the stupid tag or don't.
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We can still draft a prospect - after Mack signs the Tender we could trade him to a team of mutual desire - where the Agent can work out a long term contract with said team (as they will only trade that 2nd round pick 2015 for a long term contract) 
If not we just develop that mid-late round pick. Have Mack for 2014 (he does not have cancer in him) and then see if he wants to sign long term next season.
jmho - no reason to release him, no reason to draft a Center high.
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Honestly, why would you sign now if you are Mack?
You are probably a little uncertain about the state of the team (you haven't really worked with the new coaching staff, or the new GM) - you may wait to hear a long term offer from a team you really like, or you may play out this next year at a yearly rate much higher than you will make on a long term deal.
I think its entirely possible that Mack plays this year on the tag, and then signs a long term deal -- if he likes the coaching staff, and the Browns' situation, then I don't know why he'd leave.
But there's so much uncertainty now, that signing a long term deal doesn't seem to rational...
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I think its entirely possible that Mack plays this year on the tag, and then signs a long term deal -- if he likes the coaching staff, and the Browns' situation, then I don't know why he'd leave.
Lyuok...I agree...Mack will take the 10 mill, waiting to see how the team develops before signing a long term deal.
This front office will not stop trying to get Mack signed during the season.
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Why keep prolonging it? Just sign the stupid tag or don't.
I totally get the sentiment, but that's not how things work.
As fans, we are allowed to react this way. As admin, they have to work within the parameters that are established. That means waiting.
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He probably wants to see how the draft goes too but I think it's mostly because not signing the tender gives him "some" leverage. He can hold out of OTAs and such. Given we are installing a new offensive scheme it'd be best if he was there but we can't penalize him because until he signs the tender he isn't under contract with us.
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That might make some fans feel good, but isn't necessarily what's best for the team. A "bird in the hand" is the operative idea here. Mack's performance is known; there is no guarantee that his replacement will equal/exceed his level of play.
There's no guarantee that Mack plays at a high level either. He obviously wants out of Cleveland. Comments by his agent and Mack himself prove it. If he wants to stay in Cleveland, he should have fired his agent. The fact that he didn't tells me that he doesn't want to stay and that he won't willingly sign any future contract offer from the Browns. We'll have him this year but not next (unless we pay him LT money) and if they do that, they will show how absurd they can be.
Personally, I don't want players on the team that don't want to be here and drafting his replacement is a good place to start.
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Replace Mack now, in the draft, and then give him his release by rescinding the transition tag and make him a free agent again. Some team will sign him, the Browns will save the $10 million cap charge and quite possibly get something in return for next year's draft.
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The "if he doesn't want to be here, then I don't want him here" argument is one of the worst arguments ever. Especially when you are talking about a high character guy like Mack. Especially especially when you are talking about a high character like Mack who would still be playing for a long term deal.
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Independent of what Mack decides to do I think it makes sense to draft a Center. No. 2 LT and No. 2 Center are glaring holes on the team's depth chart. At least have a contingency if Mack is reluctant to do a long term deal with the team. It also sends a very clear message that the team is serious about moving on, Alex, if you are unwilling to negotiate a multi-year deal.
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I agree. I wouldn't mind drafting a replacement. My feeling is it is going to be very hard to sign Mack at any point in the future unless it is under some tag amount. I would actively be seeking a way to trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I say 2nd because I think that might be possible this year. I doubt a team would trade off a 1st for a guy they could go after for free next year.
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Another opening at center has been filled... PFT: Broncos reach deal with center Will Montgomery web page
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Interesting idea on the trade. I like Mack, but If he doesn't want to be here, that would probably be our best route.
I could see us landing a 2nd rounder during the season if a contender has an injury and they can work a long-term deal with him.
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We could handle a Mack trade one of 2 ways.
We could make it known that we will allow him and his agent to work out a trade, and start working on contract parameters with their preferred team ....... or we could find a team that he wants to go to, who also wants to trade for him, work out the contract so that we pay a chunk of the front load this year while we have cap space, and make it possible for a team to trade for him. The 2nd option would obviously be more expensive as far as what we would demand in return for him, because we would eat a large chunk of his up front money.
Frankly I hope that we have a great year, that Mack likes the new coaching staff, and that he wants to remain a member of the Cleveland Browns for a long time to come.
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The "if he doesn't want to be here, then I don't want him here" argument is one of the worst arguments ever. Especially when you are talking about a high character guy like Mack. Especially especially when you are talking about a high character like Mack who would still be playing for a long term deal.
I don't know whether Mack is a high character guy or not. There haven't been an legal problems crop up with him. That doesn't mean that he's a high character guy.
I can certainly get behind the view of getting the best talent you can for your team but all things have a value to them. Right now, the value on Mack is a scoash over $10 mil under the transition tag placed on him. It's all he'll get if he signs the offer and I seriously doubt that he will receive any other offers that are better and if he did, I think the Browns would calmly say 'Adios.'
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I agree. I wouldn't mind drafting a replacement. My feeling is it is going to be very hard to sign Mack at any point in the future unless it is under some tag amount. I would actively be seeking a way to trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I say 2nd because I think that might be possible this year. I doubt a team would trade off a 1st for a guy they could go after for free next year.
We could only trade him if he signs the tag. The tag only means that he cannot sign with someone else for less. If he signs the tag before the draft, I would then look to trade him. If he doesn't sign until after the draft, I then trade him for draft picks over the next couple seasons.
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Guys were drooling over DeSean Jackson despite him missing meetings, being late for meetings, arguing w/coaches, dogging it during games because he was upset about his contract, etc................and Mack has never missed a game and perhaps not a snap, even though he had appendicitis, and we don't know if he has good character or not?
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Mack has played every snap since he's been in the NFL. He has never gotten into trouble off the field. He has never gotten into trouble on the field. He has never said anything negative about the organization. He does charity work off the field. He played the same week he got his appendix removed. He is high character.
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Mack is a high character guy.
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I agree. I wouldn't mind drafting a replacement. My feeling is it is going to be very hard to sign Mack at any point in the future unless it is under some tag amount. I would actively be seeking a way to trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I say 2nd because I think that might be possible this year. I doubt a team would trade off a 1st for a guy they could go after for free next year.
We could only trade him if he signs the tag. The tag only means that he cannot sign with someone else for less. If he signs the tag before the draft, I would then look to trade him. If he doesn't sign until after the draft, I then trade him for draft picks over the next couple seasons.
I understand that. He will sign the tag unless he just decides to quit playing football. That doesn't mean that signing the tag doesn't kick him in to a new contract with a new team.
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Mack has played every snap since he's been in the NFL. He has never gotten into trouble off the field. He has never gotten into trouble on the field. He has never said anything negative about the organization. He does charity work off the field. He played the same week he got his appendix removed. He is high character.
None of that points to whether he is a high character guy or not. And I don't accept the statement about him not saying anything that is negative about the Browns.
While that doesn't indicate that he is a bad character, it doesn't mean that he isn't either.
Would you say that Josh Gordon (college and NFL suspension) is a bad character guy? How about Greg Little (college suspension)? Joe Haden (NFL suspension)? Brandon Weeden (no suspension)?
Just something to challenge the viewpoint that 'bad character' doesn't necessarily mean the most obvious definitions assigned to the term.
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I understand that. He will sign the tag unless he just decides to quit playing football. That doesn't mean that signing the tag doesn't kick him in to a new contract with a new team.
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When you add the fact that he has never said something it leads you to believe he is high character.
I can't believe there is even a debate. What has Mack done other than go above and beyond with everything that's ever been asked of him?
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Mack is an outstanding player and leader. He's probably just sick of losing and doesn't have any relationship with the GM or Coach to lead to a long term contract.
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Last thing I say about Mack,
Mack is a very good one of the best Centers, we want him here, We want Mack as a Cleveland Brown for life.....
For the past 51 years I've been dedicated to the Browns, always will be, so it brings me alittle pain when a player who gets paid to be a Brown dosent want or we assume he dosent want to be part of my beloved team. Yes I'm seeing this one sided and one sided only, but thats the side I'm on, I'm a fan I dont want to worry about money or long term deals, I know it's part of todays game but some of us fans just want football,
If Mack dosent want to be part of this team than tell him agent we will release him from his contract and both sides can purse a trade, a trade both sides must agree on, sign & trade who cares, if Mack wants to go lets do our best to do this final gesture for him, he's given us 4 years and earned his FA,
Reguardless we need to draft a center in rounds 3 or 4 this coming draft, lets get him in now get a year under his belt and be able to step in next season, some people say we can waste a pick on a center for next year, Really, whats 1 pick out of 10, if we cant pick solutions for our problems with 9 other picks than we shouldnt be picking at all,
Mack, common We know you dont wanna say anything the press can turn upside down and make you look silly, but common dude you have to come out and say something real, look if you dont wanna be here, say it....Think about it YOU WILL NOT BE THE FIRST PLAYER WHO DOSENT WANNA PLAY FOR A CLEVELAND TEAM......Alex we will survive, come out and tell us you'll give us one more year and then you want traded,
Please remember and I say this with all respect, alex, your not Bigger than the Browns, I know thats not your intensions to be and your a class act, but dude, when the media starts writting, remember us Browns fans stick to our team, it's all we know it's who we are, it's hard for us to understand somebody not wanting to wear the Brown & Orange.
Alex good luck in whatever you do,
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Very well said, Clay. Likely the way most of us feel... 
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When you add the fact that he has never said something it leads you to believe he is high character.
I can't believe there is even a debate. What has Mack done other than go above and beyond with everything that's ever been asked of him?
He's been asked to negotiate a deal and hasn't. He's been given a transition tag offer sheet that he hasn't signed.
In interviews, he has said some unflattering things about the Browns. There is no doubt in my mind that when he said them he thought that he would get some kind of offer from other teams. He thinks too highly of himself. I wouldn't say that he's selfish. I would say that he's full of himself and is narcissistic.
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Mack has played every snap since he's been in the NFL. He has never gotten into trouble off the field. He has never gotten into trouble on the field. He has never said anything negative about the organization. He does charity work off the field. He played the same week he got his appendix removed. He is high character.
None of that points to whether he is a high character guy or not. And I don't accept the statement about him not saying anything that is negative about the Browns.
While that doesn't indicate that he is a bad character, it doesn't mean that he isn't either.
Would you say that Josh Gordon (college and NFL suspension) is a bad character guy? How about Greg Little (college suspension)? Joe Haden (NFL suspension)? Brandon Weeden (no suspension)?
Just something to challenge the viewpoint that 'bad character' doesn't necessarily mean the most obvious definitions assigned to the term.
I think all those things are part of being high character.. What has he ever said publicly that is negative about the Browns, Cleveland, the Fans or the Media? What did I miss.
Gordon, has character issues but they seem to be resolving themselves..
Little, has character issues but they haven't been any new incidents.
Haden, I don't think he has character issues, but I think he needs to smarten up a bit.
Weedon, I'm not sure how he got into the mix. To my knowledge, he's never been in trouble with anyone. So I see no signs of any outward character issues.
But I'll admit that what you see on the outside doesn't always reveal what a person is really like.
When it comes to Mack, it's extra hard to think of him with Character issues given his actions both on and off the field to date...
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I would say that he's full of himself and is narcissistic.
Because he wants to get paid as much as possible and play for a good team?
You are reaching.
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if Mack wants to go lets do our best to do this final gesture for him, he's given us 4 years and earned his FA,
No.
He has NOT earned his FA. The Cleveland Browns as an organization plays by the rules that were agreed to by the NFL and the player association. I expect Mack to be bound by those same rules... both in a practical sense and in spirit. If he wants to get mad at us for placing a transition tag that will pay him a crazy amount of money for 1 year of play then I say tough. Suck it up and get that hand in the dirt. If we decide to franchise him next year... tough. Take your huge paycheck, shut up and play your heart out.
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Dangit! Every time this discussion continues, the thread bumps & I think something's happening.
Can we let it rest for a while?
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He's been asked to negotiate a deal and hasn't.
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He has NOT earned his FA. The Cleveland Browns as an organization plays by the rules that were agreed to by the NFL and the player association. I expect Mack to be bound by those same rules... both in a practical sense and in spirit. If he wants to get mad at us for placing a transition tag that will pay him a crazy amount of money for 1 year of play then I say tough. Suck it up and get that hand in the dirt. If we decide to franchise him next year... tough. Take your huge paycheck, shut up and play your heart out.
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Myself, I don't care if Mac wants to play here or not now that he's been franchised. Suck it up big boy, Take your 10 mil and play ball for the Brown's
Also I don't remember any fans here posting that they wanted Dawson traded and gone when he said he wanted out.
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Nothing is going to happen until After the draft.
Doubt if any team makes him a contract offer.
He'll sign after the draft so we don't just trade him to Buffalo or somewhere cold...lol 
But outside of some very old or some very 2nd tier guys - I think all will slow to a crawl until after the draft.
don't worry 99% sure he will be a Brown for 2014...
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Because he wants to get paid as much as possible and play for a good team?
You are reaching.
No, because he thinks that he's worth more than he actually is.
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He's worth what the market dictates. The market says he is worth at least $7 million per year.
He just doesn't want the money from us. We have sucked his entire career and have fired everyone several times. I can't blame him.
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When you add the fact that he has never said something it leads you to believe he is high character.
I can't believe there is even a debate. What has Mack done other than go above and beyond with everything that's ever been asked of him?
There should not be a debate. It's just anarchy causing anarchy. He loves him some attention.
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No offer yet, but Browns center Alex Mack visited Jaguars Posted by Darin Gantt on April 5, 2014, 5:11 PM EDT Alex Mack AP The Browns bought themselves the chance to match any deal for center Alex Mack when they used the transition tag on him. Now, they might have to see how much they value him. According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Mack visited the Jaguars last night. He hasn’t signed an offer sheet yet, but it’s an obvious display of interest. The Browns would have the opportunity to match any deal for Mack, though they’d get no compensation if they didn’t. The Jaguars have had an aggressive offseason so far, but this would be their boldest move yet. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...isited-jaguars/
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Come on, Alex put your signature on an offer. That will move this impasse toward its inevitable conclusion. 
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