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Razor:

You have been pimping Jimmy G. all along and I applaud you for it.

The first time I saw was very late in the whole process. I had spent the majority of my time studying the other guys. That includes many beyond what is considered the top three. David Fales, Carr, McCarron, Arron Murray and Mettenberger.

The game film on Jimmy G. was very limited and it looked like high school tape. The fields looked like high school fields.

I watched him at the Senior Bowl practices. The more I saw the more I liked.

If he had gone to one of the "Football Mills" he would not have been underrated.

He really reminds me of Aaron Rodgers. I am not one to usually make comparisons to other players because I believe every guy is different. But in this case I do see similarities. Not quite as mobile but the way he throws. He has that classic delivery not unlike Luck as well.

He played against inferior competition but he dominated. He has the skill set that you look for in a NFL quarterback.

Bridgewater is still the top guy in this draft and if he is there at four I would take him.

If however, Bridgewater is gone I would have no problem coming away with Watkins and Jimmy G.

I might sound crazy, but I really believe that Jimmy G is the second best QB in this draft after Teddy.

Well I do not think that is crazy in the least.

I totally agree.

Like I said if he went to one of the football schools he would be rated much differently.

From what little I have seen of him, Garappolo certainly appears to have some plus level ability as far as accuracy and ball placement.Beyond that .... I really don't know.

I have stated before the only QB I want at #4 is Bridgewater.

However, if all the reports are true (about the lack of Browns staff at Bridgewaters Pro-day, not interviewing Manziel etc), I am starting to think we will not be taking a QB in the first 2 rounds, if any at all.

I am starting to believe, that Farmer will try to fill all roster positions this year then go all in for one of the top QB prospects next year. So I guess in answer to the OP .. my QB plan B is to ignore this year, and do whatever it takes to get Mariota, Winston, Petty or Hundley next year (depending who comes out).

PS. yes read the reports we are interested in Carr... but please no IMO he is a Weeden .

I'm not absolutely married to any particular approach to building the team. So I've been all over the place in terms of how the draft may go. I'm more interested in getting as close to what Farmer may actually do than what I think he ought to do. I'm also aware of some of the team needs that haven't been addressed. So for what it's worth her's my latest draft solution.

4 Sammy Watkins, WR. He prevents teams from rolling coverage to Gordon. Adds explosiveness to the offense. Offers insurance if Gordon self-destructs

26. Bradley Roby, CB. Can play man coverage which is something Pettine wants. Will make the normal rookie mistakes but likely to be available at this slot and fits the man-to man scheme.

35 Brandon Thomas, OG. Shows ability at OG/OT, known for good footwork.

71 AJ McCarron, QB. Winner on a big stage. He epitomizes what Farmer describes game manager who can win with good players around him.At this draft slot not a huge investment. If it doesn't workout it won't devastate the club.

83 Marcus Martin, C. One of several good Center prospects. If Mack won't sign here long term he starts in 2015.

102 Anthony Jonhson, DT. Solid DL against SEC caliber opponents effective run stopper and some pass rush.

123 Preston Brown, ILB. Downhill ILB who is not a drag down tackler. Can learn from Dansby.

133 Isaiah Crowell, RB. On talent alone maybe the best RB in the draft. Browns take the risk on his sketchy past.

164 Antone Exum, DB. Big corner decent speed experience at Safety. Future FS?

195 Avery Williamson, ILB ran a 4.6 at combine. Needs to be coached up on dissecting plays but has the physical tools.

I can get on board with this, players may change based on availability but by position is spot on. Good job

Morris has a live arm, however he can't read coverages. They actually simplified the offense for him halfway through the season.

It amazes me how so many people STILL don't understand the importance of reading coverages. It's called football smart. And no................it has nothing to do w/the Wonderlick.

Roby at 26 is a reach of epic proportions. And I'm osu guy. Watched a lot of him. Man to man coverage he is TOAST. I actually think the opposite of him as you do. Can't cover. Can hit and miss too though. Better in zone with action in front of him.

But that's just my take on him. Not trying to bash on anyone, unlike some other losers on here.
Go Browns

To help get this back on track, it's kind of crazy to see how far Kenny Guitton has dropped.

I love Ohio State. I hate how every year posters rag on Ohio State fans who back Buckeye players. They say we only do so because we are homers.

Well.............I think Roby sucks. I agree w/you that he can't play man. He is strictly a zone corner. He is dime corner at best.

Extremely overrated player.

I take it as a backhanded compliment that you guys are only skewering my Roby pick.

Well ....... I would be stunned if we draft 2 OL with our top 4 picks.

Better? lol

1.Bridgewater
2. Bortles
3. Manziel
4. Garoppolo
5. Carr
6. Murray
7. Mettenberger
8. Fales
9. Shaw
10. McCarron
11. Thomas
12. Morris

My thoughts FWIW,

Quote:

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1.Bridgewater
2. Bortles
3. Manziel
4. Garoppolo
5. Carr

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Solid man.

Now. We need to determine our target at QB. This is the frustrating part.

Are we going with a Top 3 QB at 4 or are we waiting until 26 for a Garrop or Carr?

We need a CB regardless of how much so many fall over for Skrine. The dude is not a press cover corner. I'm reading it's just a matter of time before we sign Moats for the other ILB spot. We need him.

This brings 2 scenarios into play. Moats being signed.

Teddy, Bortles, Manziel QB
Kyle Fuller CB
Jordan Matthews WR
OG in 3rd round

Watkins WR
Kyle Fuller CB
Garrop, Carr QB (Move up from 35 if need be)
OG in 3rd round

Those are the 2 scenarios I'm struggling with because we have no idea what Farmer deems to be our QB target.

I DO SEE one of those scenarios playing out. Either one is top notch and they can stop the draft right there as far as I'm concerned.

Well.............I think Roby sucks. I agree w/you that he can't play man. He is strictly a zone corner. He is dime corner at best.

So I see you have become a Michigan fan...lol

For the record I'm not stuck on Roby either. I think Breeland is one alternative but I couldn't bring myself to draft him at 26.

Some to the stuff I've read about Fuller says he can't play man any better than some posters say Roby plays man. I'm no scout so...

Say one or more of the QBs (Manziel, Bridgewater, and/or Bortles starts falling). At what point do you try and trade up from our second first rounder? Also, what do you give up?

If one or more of these QBs gets passed the Vikings at pick eight they could seriously fall. The next picks would go:

9. Bills (Manuel)
10. Lions (Stafford)
11. Titans (???)
12. Giants (Manning)
13. Rams (Bradford)
14. Bears (Cutler)
15. Steelers (Roethlisberger)
16. Cowboys (Romo)
17. Ravens (Flacco)
18. Jets (???)
19. Dolphins (Tannehill)
20. Cardinals who I would say would definitely take one of the QBs if available.

If one of the QBs was available at pick nineteen I would give up our second rounder, the earlier of the two thirds, and the earlier of the two fourths

If you're willing to trade up from 26 for one of these QBs, I think you have to take him at 4. It's too important.

If we stick to our board strictly then we likely won't be taking a QB at pick four. The mid to late teens are where the QBs are likely ranked.

j/c

There is one scenario not many have talked about when drafting a QB. Browns could trade up after they take their fourth pick. Bridgewater might drop into the teens.

Reading is overrated....

lol but was just made

anyways i dont think its very likely at all to happen. would cost more to moe up from 26 to 15 than to move up from 4 to 1

none of these qb's are worth that.

Here is my list of prospects in order, where I would take them at earliest, and why.

Teddy B - Considered the most pro-ready QB in this draft by virtually any expert you ask. Has great mobility if needed, but only runs as last resort as he'd rather pass. Has very good accuracy and a solid arm. He won't throw in 60 yards in the air, but he can place in 30-40 yards with accuracy which to me is more impressive than a 60 yard jump ball. If he's there at 4 and Clowney is gone I would be ok with taking him there, though would likely still rather have Watkins.
Manziel - Widely considered to be the QB with the highest ceiling and could be the biggest playmaker. He is also thought to be the one who is most liklely to be injury prone due to his size and his style of play also means he has a high likelyhood of being a bust. While he definately has a top-5 upside, the risk of both injury and bustability makes me shy away from him at 4, if he were there(which he won't be) at 26, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Bortles - The most protypical speciman we have in this years draft. Physically everything about the kid screams Pro QB. However his mental toughness is a question mark in my eye. The kid didn't play at a good school and didn't face much pressure. I also noticed accuracy issues at times(granted I only watched the kid play twice). If he was there(once again won't be) at 26 I'd take him, but I don't want to use the 4 on him, he reminds me a lot of Tannehill, not a bad QB but I don't think he'll ever put it together to be an elite guy and if I'm drafting you at 4, you better have elite potential.
Carr - Considered by most as the 4th QB. I would disagree with that as I think both Mettenberger and Jimmy G are better prospects and it's close for 6th between he and Murray, but due to health questions on Murray I will give Carr the 6th spot. I would not draft Carr untill our 2nd 3rd rounders at earliest, I would rather wait untill even later in the 4th to feel real comfortable with the pick. Seeing as how he's projected as a late 1st rounder, that to me feels like an extreme reach and I don't like it.
Mettenberger - I believe Mettenberger will end up being a very good if not great QB in this league. I would have him right up there with Teddy B if not for his injury. His size, accuracy, mobility, and heart make this kid a very attractive pick. I am higher on Mettenberger than most of the experts. I would go as high as our 2nd rounder to take him if necessary and we hadn't taken another QB by then, even though most experts have him as a late 2nd/early 3rd guy I don't think any team would regret spending an early 2nd on him in 5 years.
Jimmy G - This kid is the great unknown. I have never seen this kid play a game so I can't comment much, but I've watched some of his highlight footage. The kid looks like a playmaker but his mechanics didn't look sound. Mechanics don't have to be perfect to succeed in this league, but the issues I saw with his footwork do worry me. If we get to the 3rd rd and still don't have a QB and Mettenberger is gone, then I would be ok with Jimmy G even though he has a 4th rd grade.
Murray - Could be the value of the draft. He would've been a borderline 1st rounder if he hadn't gotten hurt and now the mocks I see have him going between rds 4-6. Consdiering I think Jimmy G would still be there in the 4th, I would take Murray unless Jimmy G was gone in the 4th. I would take Murray in the 5th even if we have already taken another QB just as a project and insurance.
Boyd - He's almost been forgot about, and I've seen some mocks not even have him being drafted. You could grab tahj in the late 6th or 7th round and have somebody with solid upside(career backup with a ceiling of borderline starter) for basically a hill of beans. I don't think Tahj Boyd will ever be a franchise guy, I don't even think he has the ceiling to be that guy. He does however have solid backup written all over him, and I would be ok with him starting a game or two in a pinch if our starter couldn't go.

Here's a more extreme example.

Would you do the following:

Take Watkins at 4, and then make the mega-tradeup with Oakland.

#26, #35, and a 2015 1st for #5

I'm not sure that I wouldn't do that in this draft. Especially now that rookie contracts are relatively cheap.

4 - Sammy Watkins, WR
5 - Teddy Bridgewater, QB
71 - Chris Borland, ILB
83 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB
100 - Cyril Richardson, OG
121 - Craig Loston, S

(going off CBS draft for rankings on the lower picks).

We give up a bit there - but if you love Watkins, and think Bridgewater is a franchise QB, do you do it?

If Bridgewater is a franchise QB, you take him at 4. It doesn't matter how much you love Watkins. And you especially don't take the risk that Oakland just takes him.

I don't think you do. If this draft is as deep as they say it is, why would you be giving up picks? We need all the picks we can get. JMHO

I don't know ... the more I read about the issues of all the top Quarterback options. The more I'm willing to just sit back and take Watkins at #4, then take whoever drops into our lap at #26 or even in the second round. If we're going to draft a project to sit behind Hoyer for a year or more, then there's no sense in over-drafting one. There's only around 8 teams that need QBs, and there's about 8 quarterbacks that I've seen mentioned as anywhere between first and 3rd rounders. Might as well load up on offensive weapons, and get your project QB with a later pick.

I don't think we should be trading up at all. This draft is so deep, we can sit on all of our picks and draft 7 picks in the first four rounds that have a decent chance at starting.