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j/c JANITOR BECOMES TOP EXECUTIVE, THANKS TO FLAMIN' HOT CHEETOS Richard Montanez was working as a janitor at a California Frito-Lay plant when he called up the company's CEO to see if he could pitch his own idea for a new snack food he had already been testing on his family and friends. The CEO invited Montanez to pitch his Flamin' Hot Cheetos to the marketing team and two success stories were born that day. Montanez is now PepsiCo North America's Executive Vice President of Multicultural Sales and Community Activation, and Flamin' Hot Cheetos are still bestsellers. He says his greatness is his courage. Montanez never attended high school. Read more: http://www.catcountry1071.com/onair/todd.../#ixzz2wWjYuvZN
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Good for him.. two things.. first, one exception does not invalidate the general rule and two, PepsiCo North America's Executive Vice President of Multicultural Sales and Community Activation .. I have no idea what the EVP of multicultural sales and community activation does, but I'm guessing it doesn't exactly make him the CFO. 
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I just couldn't resist throwing that one out there. 
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Don't worry Oober.....some of us understand what you are saying and know you aren't putting anybody down.
It's a strange world we live in where the janitor is seen as the person who works hard and the CEO is seen as the person who does jack.....LOL
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Don't be so sure. I have worked for a couple of guys who hand all their work to those under them to do while they sit on their ass and do nothing. It happens every day. I can honestly tell you I have never worked for a boss who worked more hours or worked harder than i do, and for years when I was the boss nobody under me worked more hours than me or worked harder than I did.
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Well, we did (and still having) a major discussion that you only need to work hard and take the opportunities that were granted to you to succeed.
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I agree with you about socio-economics playing a factor on what kind of opportunities a person will have. I'm a big believer in working hard, but some kids are screwed from the beginning. Most of them come from broken families, and live in cultures that don't value education, hard work, obeying the law. Sure some make it out, due to having a mother/father, or mentor steering them in the right direction, but many times, they follow down the wrong path. Go to any inner city school system, and most of them are broken, and you would be lucky to have a 50% graduation rate. The parents just don't give a damn. That is a lot to overcome, when you are a kid looking for guidance in your life.
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I agree with you about socio-economics playing a factor on what kind of opportunities a person will have. I'm a big believer in working hard, but some kids are screwed from the beginning. Most of them come from broken families, and live in cultures that don't value education, hard work, obeying the law. Sure some make it out, due to having a mother/father, or mentor steering them in the right direction, but many times, they follow down the wrong path. Go to any inner city school system, and most of them are broken, and you would be lucky to have a 50% graduation rate. The parents just don't give a damn. That is a lot to overcome, when you are a kid looking for guidance in your life.
So what is the solution to change this seemingly never ending cycle?
If we make no changes, then nothing will ever change.
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I agree with you about socio-economics playing a factor on what kind of opportunities a person will have. I'm a big believer in working hard, but some kids are screwed from the beginning. Most of them come from broken families, and live in cultures that don't value education, hard work, obeying the law. Sure some make it out, due to having a mother/father, or mentor steering them in the right direction, but many times, they follow down the wrong path. Go to any inner city school system, and most of them are broken, and you would be lucky to have a 50% graduation rate. The parents just don't give a damn. That is a lot to overcome, when you are a kid looking for guidance in your life.
I agree with that, but that doesn't mean there are not opportunities for these kids. It is a huge problem (one I mentioned earlier in the thread). It boils down to parents giving a damn. It is that simple IMO. Now, getting the parents to give a damn is no so simple.
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I agree. I think it starts with better parenting and education. You have too many people having kids, that have no idea how , or what it takes to raise a kid. They're more interested in living the single life than taking care of their kids It happens generation after generation.
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In terms of the Black community, the destruction of the 2 parent family has happened in what .... the past 50 years? It wasn't that long ago that a 2 parent family was the norm in the Black community. (and the White community as well, for that matter) Today, I just found a report from the Census, and 55% of Black children live with one parent. 31% of Hispanic children live with 1 parent. 21% of Non Hispanic White children live with one parent, and only 13% of Asian children live with one parent. https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p20-570.pdfIf we compare those stats with the trends in standard of living, education, and so on ..... I think that it's clear the effect this trend has on children.
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Sorry, but this is a load of crap. I have no doubt that there are bad bosses out there, but to take the exceptions and assume that's the rule is silly.
All of the bosses I had worked their tales off...
And the comment about the CEO not wanting to do what the janitor does is dumb. The CEO has infinitely more responsibility than the janitor, and the janitor (except in extremely rare exceptions) does not have the ability to do what the CEO does. I can explain to you why this is, if you like.
I never said anyone was "bad." Had I said that, I would also consider it a load of crap.
I consider my experiences as anecdotal, that's why I disclosed them as mine. Same applies to your bosses. Thanks for sharing! But neither establishes the rule/exception.
I understand ability/responsibility and how it applies to pay/duties. My janitor comment was in response to "works harder." Per the post I was replying to: If a CEO earns 1,000 times the janitor, does he/she work 1,000 times harder?
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Sorry, but this is a load of crap. I have no doubt that there are bad bosses out there, but to take the exceptions and assume that's the rule is silly.
All of the bosses I had worked their tales off...
And the comment about the CEO not wanting to do what the janitor does is dumb. The CEO has infinitely more responsibility than the janitor, and the janitor (except in extremely rare exceptions) does not have the ability to do what the CEO does. I can explain to you why this is, if you like.
I never said anyone was "bad." Had I said that, I would also consider it a load of crap.
I consider my experiences as anecdotal, that's why I disclosed them as mine. Same applies to your bosses. Thanks for sharing! But neither establishes the rule/exception.
I understand ability/responsibility and how it applies to pay/duties. My janitor comment was in response to "works harder." Per the post I was replying to: If a CEO earns 1,000 times the janitor, does he/she work 1,000 times harder?
If that is the only criteria, then no. But it is probably 1,000x the stress, responsibility, and consequences of mistakes. Then add in supply and demand of capable and willing people.
If suddenly no one wanted to be a janitor, the pay to be one would go up, as places that needed them would have to pay more to entice people to do the job.
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If that is the only criteria, then no. But it is probably 1,000x the stress, responsibility, and consequences of mistakes.
I understand the first two, but what exactly are the consequences of mistakes that CEO's make? We just saw that a company (or groups of companies) can precipitate an economic meltdown yet not face jail time. Many of these companies still handed out at least some bonuses during the downfall, and any CEO's of companies that got eaten were probably still got at least some severance. Take a look at Detroit. How many of the CEO's that were the head of the car companies during their patchy stretch a few years back faced any consequences when their companies almost went under? Did they get canned? Sure. But they still collected decent severence pay and are probably back at the grind in some capacity elsewhere in the country. CEO's are like headcoaches, paid well for a short amount of time, get paid after they're fired, and keep getting recycled through again and again. Look at how many times teams look at the same retread coaches thinking, "this is the time this guy will get it right." Chances are that won't be the case, but everyone always seems to think that a coaches past mistakes, past biases, will suddenly disappear with their team. It never happens.
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It doesn't have much to do with who works harder, it has to do with the amount of responsibilty one has and the skills need to do the job.
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In my line of IT work, I know people who work a Hell of a lot less, a Hell of a lot less energy/passion/production - and they make MORE than me.
It also has to do with being able to pick the right company/job if you wish to flourish.
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If that is the only criteria, then no. But it is probably 1,000x the stress, responsibility, and consequences of mistakes.
I understand the first two, but what exactly are the consequences of mistakes that CEO's make? We just saw that a company (or groups of companies) can precipitate an economic meltdown yet not face jail time. Many of these companies still handed out at least some bonuses during the downfall, and any CEO's of companies that got eaten were probably still got at least some severance. Take a look at Detroit. How many of the CEO's that were the head of the car companies during their patchy stretch a few years back faced any consequences when their companies almost went under? Did they get canned? Sure. But they still collected decent severence pay and are probably back at the grind in some capacity elsewhere in the country. CEO's are like headcoaches, paid well for a short amount of time, get paid after they're fired, and keep getting recycled through again and again. Look at how many times teams look at the same retread coaches thinking, "this is the time this guy will get it right." Chances are that won't be the case, but everyone always seems to think that a coaches past mistakes, past biases, will suddenly disappear with their team. It never happens.
Consequences doesn't mean jailtime. It could be loss of job, wages, etc.
In the typical scenario, the CEO must meet profit expectations , productivity numbers and such.
The recent debacle is the exception, not the rule, and there are many more CEOs in the world than what were involved in the recent events.
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Don't be so sure. I have worked for a couple of guys who hand all their work to those under them to do while they sit on their ass and do nothing. It happens every day. I can honestly tell you I have never worked for a boss who worked more hours or worked harder than i do, and for years when I was the boss nobody under me worked more hours than me or worked harder than I did.
I understand that....I generally put in 65 hours a week back in the day so I know about hours....I am just saying it is crazy to think the janitor.....nothing wrong with that.....is worth more or works harder then the CEO.....I don't buy it.
Maybe in a small company, usually run by the child or grandchild of the owner.
Usually it is the grandchildren when thigs fall apart. The Grandparent starts a business. His or her kids see how hard their parents worked to make it work....the kids ended up living the good life and work the business just a little bit less, and the grandchildren who had the silverspoon from birth so to speak seek to sell the business. They just want the money.
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I am just saying it is crazy to think the janitor.....nothing wrong with that.....is worth more or works harder then the CEO.....I don't buy it.
I don't know if anyone thinks the janitor is worth more. My statement on the janitor was that the typical CEO wouldn't do that job.
Its 5 PM, some kid diarrheas all over the bathroom. Janitor is clocking out after his 40 hrs. Salaried CEO is leaving with him.
The CEO's job is to keep costs low: Does the typical CEO clean the diarrhea? Or pay the janitor OT?
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I am just saying it is crazy to think the janitor.....nothing wrong with that.....is worth more or works harder then the CEO.....I don't buy it.
I don't know if anyone thinks the janitor is worth more. My statement on the janitor was that the typical CEO wouldn't do that job.
Its 5 PM, some kid diarrheas all over the bathroom. Janitor is clocking out after his 40 hrs. Salaried CEO is leaving with him.
The CEO's job is to keep costs low: Does the typical CEO clean the diarrhea? Or pay the janitor OT?
It all depends - but I think you're mixing 2 things. You speak about a CEO - generally CEO's don't have kids using the restroom at work.
Regardless - if you're talking fortune 500 type ceo - they don't work 40 hours a week. Plus, cleaning up bathrooms isn't their job. That's what janitors are for - and believe me, I'm not belittling janitors in ANY way. (quick note: 17 1/2 years ago, when I got married - I paid for a honeymoon to Hawaii - flights, hotel, food, and everything we did in Hawaii - by being a night time janitor on top of my full time job.)
Regardless - if the ceo stays and cleans it up - he doesn't get paid more. If the janitor does, he gets o.t. Plus, it's his job.
Now, at home later that night, does the janitor worry about how he's going to keep everyone employed? Or does he clock out, go home and relax knowing he put his time in. His decisions don't affect 50, 500, 5000 employees.
I only add that because my wife has a job that requires 40 hours a week. Clock in, clock out, forget about work till the next day. I have a job that is with me pretty much every waking moment. I make more than she does. I have more stress, as well.
Look, the world needs plumbers, ceo's, ditch diggers, doctors, factory workers, insurance companies, teachers, welders, construction people, etc etc etc.
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My point is that many bosses and executives consider themselves to be "above" the jobs of many of their understudies. Even if it saves the company money or helps the business. Many won't do the dirty jobs that pay a fraction of their salary.
Again, I'm not saying it's bad. And I understand why it is this way. I'm just saying that's how it is.
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Consequences doesn't mean jailtime. It could be loss of job, wages, etc.
In the typical scenario, the CEO must meet profit expectations , productivity numbers and such.
The recent debacle is the exception, not the rule, and there are many more CEOs in the world than what were involved in the recent events.
How is that different from any other person that works for a living? If anyone makes a mistake, they risk losing those very same things as a consequence. My point was that stress and responsibility are greater for a CEO than a Janitor, but the consequences are the same. That's the thing they have in common.
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We're told: You work harder you get paid more.
Its increasingly become: You work harder I get paid more.
Productivity is soaring. profits are soaring. the gap between rich and poor is soaring. wages are stagnant.
A "good" CEO rewards investors when you work harder. Not you.
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Now, at home later that night, does the janitor worry about how he's going to keep everyone employed? Or does he clock out, go home and relax knowing he put his time in. His decisions don't affect 50, 500, 5000 employees.
Or does he sit at home, thinking of how to eliminate jobs, while increasing production, or outsource them overseas to maximize profits for the shareholders?
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Now, at home later that night, does the janitor worry about how he's going to keep everyone employed? Or does he clock out, go home and relax knowing he put his time in. His decisions don't affect 50, 500, 5000 employees.
Or does he sit at home, thinking of how to eliminate jobs, while increasing production, or outsource them overseas to maximize profits for the shareholders?
Some certainly do. I worked for one of those types - he seemed to enjoy the power of being able to ruin peoples lives.
Quick story about him. I was at a client that I had worked for and had billed in excess of $1,400,000 over the course of 3 years. I of course made nowhere near that; I was salaried and put in about 60 hours per week. I was consistently the #1 or #2 billing consultant in the practice. This client is rather large, so the CEO came to visit the customer and the director there wanted to introduce me to him - I'd not ever formally met him as I worked out of Columbus and the company was based in Phoenix. He wanted to let the CEO know how much they liked me and what a fantastic job I was doing and that they were lucky to have me as an employee. This director spent a lot of time talking me up and then pulled me into his office to introduce me - when I walked in, the director talked me up a little more and introduced me to him - he didn't even get out of his chair or shake my hand. The funny ending to this is that the director was so ticked about how he treated me he took the guy to lunch at Arby's - he said it was as if he'd never been to a fast food restaurant in his life. 
I quit about a year later and work for myself now. Best move I ever made.
I've ranted about public companies on here many times. I'm not a huge fan of how they work, but do understand that in the end they answer to the shareholders who want increased profits every quarter. I really dislike when a company makes a billion dollar profit in a quarter, but then lets people go because they were supposed to make 1.1 billion and their stock tanks.
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dont you just hate it when there PROJECTED income is 1 billion above last years income then they throw a fit and act like they lost their shirt because their increase in income was only 750 million above last years income 
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dont you just hate it when there PROJECTED income is 1 billion above last years income then they throw a fit and act like they lost their shirt because their increase in income was only 750 million above last years income
J/C ..... there is a huge difference between income and profit.
If I double my income, but quadrupled the number of outlets I have, then you bet I'm going to be concerned.
I do believe that business has a responsibility to reinvest in the lives of those who support it .... but business also has a responsibility to make a profit. I don't know that we have a right to tell business what they can make, as far as profits go. If I come up with a great and glorious new invention that no one can possibly live without, then I have a right to sell it for whatever I want.
People buy up iPhones even though there are much cheaper options that will largely do the same thing. Apple makes a ton of money every year. Few people complain, even though Apple makes obscene profits, and make their products in China .... but then again ... they are a "cool" rich company.
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Apple is actually making a laptop in the USA now. I think its the high-end MacPro . But, yes, they rely on China for so much labor. And much of their recent profit increases is actually reducing their tax burden through accounting and offshore tax havens. Many companies are investing more in tricky accounting than actual technology or production. I sold my IBM shares after finding out they were laying off tech employees and hiring lawyers/accountants. We also have to keep in mind that shareholders can file lawsuits when executives raise wages.  Its part of our system. Labor is cyclical. I think in another decade (as Boomers retire in mass) many companies will be scrambling.
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