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Daryl Smith is an aging, but quality ILB. Keeping him was a good move for the Ravens. It's not a difference maker type move, but they didn't create an additional hole. They gave Pitta a 5 year, $32 million contract. Pitta will be 29 when the season opens. His contract includes an $11 million signing bonus, and $16 million in guarantees. He has 122 receptions, 1244 yards, and 11 TD in his 4 year career. He does appear to be on the rise though .... so it's probably a solid deal for the Ravens. They did a nice job in keeping their kick returner as well. I agree that the Ravens dis a solid job of keeping their players. Who have the Browns lost? We let DQ walk, and replaced him with an upgrade. (within the defense we run) We let Ward walk and replaced him with a guy I think will be an upgrade in the defense we run. Other than that, we lost Lauvao. Anyone else? Let's look at our free agents: Davone Bess. Released Billy Cundiff: Re-signed Alex Mack: Tendered at $10 million + Willis McGahee: Dumped Shaun Lauvao: Signed a huge deal with Washington. I think that's it. You placed a lot of importance regarding the Ravens on them re-signing players. Who should we have re-signed? Bess? McGahee? Lauvao? Cundiff? Oh, we did. Mack? We tendered him, and will likely re-sign him, at least for this year. Ward? Obviously the staff liked Whitner more in this defense. That's it for our free agents. You use the fact that the Ravens re-signed their free agents, but we really only had 2 of any note ..... Mack. who was tagged, and Cundiff, who we re-signed. I cannot figure out what you want Farmer to do. You don't want him signing bums ..... but you don't want him handing out big contracts ...... but you don't know why we are sitting on cap space ....... but you don't know why we didn't throw lots of money at the opening round of free agent OL who got big bucks ........ I look at the players the Ravens signed, and the only one I really would have had an interest in for the Browns, for the deals they signed, would be Monroe. I think that he is a very talented guy, and I wish that Banner would have been able to pull off the trade for him last year. This really concerns me, and makes me happy that you're not in charge: Quote:
We neglected servicable, low price vets
Serviceable, low priced vets are low priced for a reason. They are just good enough to get you beat.They might fit a defense in among high end starters, but you certainly do not want to make a team out of the,. I'll use Moats as an example. Moats had 54 tackles last year. (and 24 of those were assists) No sacks, no INT, no fumbles forced or recovered .....
In short, he was on the field for the Bills. He was somewhat OK, but not a difference maker in any way, shape, or form. He is the kind of player a team tries to replace, and lets walk in free agency. You thought that we should have signed him ... but why? What would he have brought to the 3-4? What skills and abilities would he have brought to the Browns, that would improve the team? I swear that if Craig Robertson were a free agent on another team, some people would wonder why we didn't bring him in, because he is a veteran we could have signed.
Anyway, I said it before, and it still stands. We'll see what happens with the rest of the off-season. I refuse to get all worked up over 2 weeks of the off-season. I think that Farmer made solid moves, replaced a couple of guys who the coaches evidently felt needed replaced, and filled a couple of holes. We'll fill more holes in the rest of free agency, in the draft, and with cuts/trades after the draft.
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I think you're not very familiar with their roster. They have Matt Elam at SS, who was their top pick last draft and started 15 games. They signed FS D.Stewart as a stop gap solution in order to not go into the draft with a huge hole there. He's been a spot starter in STL and is 25yo. At worst he's an acceptable (read: AVG to below AVG) starter if no upgrade is found through the draft, at best he's a good 3rd S to have on the roster.
C was BY FAR their biggest problem as mid rounder Gradkowski didn't turn out as planned. The AVG Zuttah is a stop gap upgrade.
WR a need? They have Torrey and Steve Smith as starters and Jacoby Jones and Marlon Brown as backups. I think they're as deep as any team at WR in the NFL
They are blessed with a GM that recognizes needs and uses any possible way to fill those needs while tight roping with the cap. He's an artist. He still manages to get high comp picks every draft because he sells high and buys low.
The Ravens have had the most comp picks since they were intodruced. The Browns the lowest. Think about it...
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You, again, missed my point...I'm satrting to think you do it on purpose?
I did NOT put importance of the Ravens re-signing their own guys, that was to another "missed point" response by Dawg??, who said they didn't fill many needs.
My point was clear enough imoh: the difference in FA philosophy. They had plenty of needs and little cap room and they managed it perfectly. They had 5-7 gaping holes at starting positions when FA started and filled most of them with only 12mil, thanks to smart low price, good value signings, re-signings and trades. They used FA to fill out their depth chart although being cap strapped.
We still have blanks left all over the place and had and have much more money which we simply didn't use smartly.
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His comments about the Ravens roster read to me as if he is the one who is familiar with the Ravens roster and YOU are the one who is unfamiliar...or are desperately trying to push your agenda.
Your FIRST words in response to his post were an attempt to slam/damage his credibility in regards to his knowledge of their roster... focus on what he said and you will see that he knows what he's talking about.
So typical of your posts.
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Elam played FS last year and Stewart has only 19 starts in 4 years and in that time he has 1 int and 1 FF. If you consider that starting material then Robertson is a good enough ILB for us and Gipson is more then adequate at FS, areas i believe you said needed upgrading.
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Elam will be moved to SS though, he played there because they had Ihedgibo who's a SS only and they had no FS. It was a mis-evaluation of Elam's talent. I said pre-draf that he's a SS only too, but somehow many thought he'd be a FS.
Whle Ozzie did a mistake there, he adjusted quickly. Elam is now their projected SS, that's why they signed Stewart and let Ihedigbo go. Yes, Stewart is in the same fringe category as Gipson, but my point is that when you have no Gipson on the roster at all, it's smart to sign one.
We have proven bums at ILB2, FB, WR2, not fringe. Robertson, Obi and Little were among the worst starters at their position, yet we did nothing. We didn't bring in "a Stewart", that's my point. When you have nothing at a position, you hedge your bets before the draft
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Following that "logic" you would not have signed Dansby or G.Schwartz or Munnerlyn or Rhinehart or Slauson just one year ago, because all those guys signed those "low price" deals but are AVG or much better starters. They are there EVERY offseason and the risk is next to minimal. If they don't peform you can still play your rookie, but if you don't have those, you end up playing Cousins at OG, Owens at CB2 (because your ook sucks) and McGahee at RB...and you start another season 2-6. Great 
You need those guys to complement your core players. We had 6 AllPros, but we still only won 4 games because we had as many AllCrapPros and ANY team is only as good as their weakest links. Ozzie gets it, Reese gets it, Elway gets it...you and many others on here and Farmer imho DON'T
We got beat time and again the same way...come from behind style by WR2 and RBs vs ILB2, because we had bums at CB2 and ILB2 and because we didn't have any kind of run game to milk clock in the 4th...those were our weakest links, even worse than overall QB play. We led how many games at half or in the 4th? Enough to have a .500 record if we didn't have total bums at those positions because management didn't do their jobs...
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The Ravens have had the most comp picks since they were intodruced. The Browns the lowest.
I have no idea what that has to do with Farmer???
I don't think there is a serious Dawg here who doesn't respect Ozzie as a good - great GM. But I don't see him running rings around Farmer. I do see that he has an advantage in FA because the Ravens have stability and we do not.
but I see Farmer pretty much filling every hole that we had...except for ILB depth. And we still have the draft and a recourse to dip back into the FA market after the draft n solidify competition for the roster. Not much is going to be done from now to the draft by most teams. I'm sure nobody is perfect not even Ozzie - but he's done pretty well for himself so far this off season. Now we got the draft to see how this plays out.
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Winning Teams are built through winning drafts.
Losing Teams are built through losing drafts.
Farmer is going to draft the best he can either way. As long as he doesn't give up picks for a tagged/tendered guy, it won't hurt our draft.
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Do you really believe we are going to the super bowl this year? If not do you think we have a better chance of going 2 or three years from now with young O-lineman who we have to pay less, or older O-lineman who will eat up more of the cap when we are close to the cap limit?
Asamoah, Beadles, and Schwartz were not all that expensive, bro. They are all capable zone blocking guys.
Look, I see what is happening here. It's the alternating regime war. Everything that Banner did was bad, thus, everything that these guys do is good. I am not saying you feel that way, but sheesh, just read this thread.
We can't ever seem to have an honest discussion on this board. Heck, we now have guys even saying that they were okay w/TJ Ward being allowed to walk. What? I was getting killed by dozens of posters about that. I can't remember people backing me up, yet now they were always good w/it. Oh well.........
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I was good with H&H...not so good with LomBanner...and now it's the good guys turn again. I have more belief in Farmer/Pettine than the previous crew as I find them more to my "management style" which is the (upper) FO setting the vision/ strategy and letting the guys you hired employ the tactical end. No more micromanagement by self-styled Little Napoleons. I've said my piece; end of rant...
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And there you go..................It's not about examining the facts. It's about defending preconceived notions. Damn the truth!
It's old...........
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The fact was that the previous regime was dysfunctional, inept, and gone after only one year. I am more optimistic than the new guys will perform more efficiently and at a higher level of professionalism. You asked for honesty; I laid it out there...
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I appreciate your honest opinion, but I really wish that we could just discuss each move on its merits instead of either demeaning or lauding each move based on whether or not we hate a particular FO or we have hitched our wagons to another FO.
I got too many things going on to worry about such nonsense at this point.
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... Who should we have re-signed?
Mack? We tendered him, and will likely re-sign him, at least for this year.
Ward? Obviously the staff liked Whitner more in this defense.
Hopefully will get Mack on a long-term deal. Good O-lineman are obviously in demand everywhere. Maybe if the offense clicks, he'll stay. Probably need a playoff win to convince him there might be a future here (and a stellar rookie season by a new QB in the draft). Otherwise, he'll look for better prospects on a playoff team.
Don't know if Whitner will upgrade or equal Ward. Wait-and-see. Maybe Ward was making noise that he wanted out (to a playoff team) so they went with Whitner? 
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Mack? We tendered him, and will likely re-sign him, at least for this year.
Ward? Obviously the staff liked Whitner more in this defense.
Hopefully will get Mack on a long-term deal. Good O-lineman are obviously in demand everywhere. Maybe if the offense clicks, he'll stay. Probably need a playoff win to convince him there might be a future here (and a stellar rookie season by a new QB in the draft). Otherwise, he'll look for better prospects on a playoff team.
Don't know if Whitner will upgrade or equal Ward. Wait-and-see. Maybe Ward was making noise that he wanted out (to a playoff team) so they went with Whitner?
All I know is that Ward (and his agent) was making noise about wanting to be the highest paid Safety in the NFL prior ro free agency, so maybe the Browns felt that a contract of that type was what it would take to re-sign him, and did not feel that he was worth it.
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Do you really believe we are going to the super bowl this year? If not do you think we have a better chance of going 2 or three years from now with young O-lineman who we have to pay less, or older O-lineman who will eat up more of the cap when we are close to the cap limit?
Asamoah, Beadles, and Schwartz were not all that expensive, bro. They are all capable zone blocking guys.
Look, I see what is happening here. It's the alternating regime war. Everything that Banner did was bad, thus, everything that these guys do is good. I am not saying you feel that way, but sheesh, just read this thread.
We can't ever seem to have an honest discussion on this board. Heck, we now have guys even saying that they were okay w/TJ Ward being allowed to walk. What? I was getting killed by dozens of posters about that. I can't remember people backing me up, yet now they were always good w/it. Oh well.........
Speaking for myself, anyone can go back and read what I said about Ward prior to us signing Whitner. I think that it is fairly consistent with what I am saying today.
As far as the 3 OL you mentioned, IIRC, all signed with the only teams they visited when free agency opened. It sure seems like each had a destination in mind, and weren't necessarily looking to shop their way around the NFL. Who knows why guys sign on the 1st day (or even before) without even taking a look around. Maybe their agents talk to certain teams the player likes to get a feel for what they see his player as being worth, and the top estimate is where they start. If they get a deal they like, they take it. I would opine that perhaps Mack wanting out affected the opinion of the Browns among OL in the league. Who knows? Anyway, it sure seems like, for whatever reason, that the Browns didn;t have, or take a shot at those 2 guys. We;ll probably never know for sure why, or why not.
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Geoff New Giants guard Geoff Schwartz peeled back the curtain to reveal the story behind how he signed a four-year, $16.8 million deal last week -- from his account for Bleacher Report, it sounds like the Giants knew they wanted him immediately. On March 8 as he was taking part in his parents' brunch for out-of-town wedding guests right before he was getting married, the Giants called at "literally 9 a.m. and 30 seconds" right as the negotiating window opened up, Schwartz said. Other teams called, and at 10:15 a.m., he ranked teams Nos. 1 to 7 based on various criteria. But one priority stuck out: "In my mind, it was all about the money, so I disregarded most of those criteria and sequenced by money," he wrote. "I'd waited so long for this opportunity. My first thought was: 'Let's get the most money possible just to show everyone who doubted me.' " Though his father talked him out of that, March 11 arrived with two offers, one of which came from the Giants that he and his agent "thought was great." His physical took five minutes -- good news, Giants fans! He's healthy -- and after fixing his hair, he signed his contract. "What a relief. It's over. All the stress, worrying, anxiousness ... it's all gone," Schwartz wrote. "I've worked through three surgeries within 13 months, all the rehab, all the missed playing time...for this moment. I can finally relax for a second. Enjoy it. I'm now a member of the New York football Giants."
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Free agencyScott Pioli’s influence as Atlanta Falcons’ assistant general manager was quickly felt. Two of Atlanta’s free agent priorities were defensive end Tyson Jackson and offensive guard Jon Asamoah. Pioli selected Jackson with the third overall pick in the 2009 draft and Asamoah in the third round in 2010 as the Kansas City Chiefs’ general manager. -------------------------- Only thing I could find about 2 of the 3 linemen you guys are talking about.
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I understand what your saying about hedging your bets what i don't get is your love for what the Ravens did and your hatred for what the Browns have done. The Ravens sign a bum to fill their hole at S yet you slam the Browns for not upgrading Robertson at ILB. What do you want the Browns to do, sign someone just for the heck of it even if the player is a bum? Even with that signing the Ravens still have a huge hole at S.
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I just want to say something here ...... I don't know how Farmer will turn out as GM. None of us do. However, in phase 1 of his 1st off-season, with little time to actually prepare for being THE decision maker, I like the way he has started. I think that he has upgraded 4 spots, and that's a good start. I have said that I see the off-season in 4 stages. Stage 1 if the frenzy as soon as Free Agency opens. Stage 2 is Free Agency after the insane deals die off. Stage 3, the most important IMHO, is the draft. You can include the signing of UDFA in this stage. Stage 4 is the period after the draft, leading up to the season. Veterans get released, and others are traded. Often value can be found in this stage of the off-season. We once added Jamir Miller, for example, in this manner. All of these stages have value, and all have pitfalls. In stage 1, it is easy to overpay for players. In stage 2, it is possible to overestimate the value of a player, and consider a position filled, when, in fact, the same hole as before the player was signed still exists. Obviously we all know the potential pitfalls of the draft. Stage 4 can bring value, or weigh a franchise down by claiming a bad contract. We are through stage 1, and now are into Stage 2. The draft isn't until May, and the season doesn't open until September. We have a long, long way to go, and I would guess that hundreds of players will change teams between now and the start of the season. June 2 is usually a time to watch as players with big contracts, who can see their bonuses split over 2 seasons, can be released after this date. Following the draft, overpaid veterans, "busts", veterans on the downside of their career, has beens and never weres will all be cut. One team's trash will become another team's treasure, and some of those garbage bin bargains will turn out to be key players for their new teams. My point in this semi long winded essay is that we are still really, really early in the process, and we will see all kinds of personnel changes between now and the start of the season. Farmer is new at his job, and personally, I like what he has done so far. Is he perfect? Nope, However, no GM does everything I would like to see. Does that make me right and them wrong? Of course ..... but probably not.  I am willing to give him a shot, just like I did Banner and Lombardi last year. We'll see how he does. However, some people trying to bury the guy 2 weeks into free agency is something I just don't get.
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I agree with you. I think they've done a good job so far. Like you said, it's their first offseason and still have the draft, and cuts to go through. Sure there's some things I wish they would've done differently, but hard to know why some of the outcomes happened.
Like it's been said, we really don't know who they contacted and etc besides doesn't matter now. I'm always one that is for the wait and see approach with a new regime. Should be a really interesting draft.
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This draft is supposed to be a very deep draft, and with 7 picks in the top 4 rounds, we should be able to not only find our QB of the future, but also starters at ILB, CB, (or, at least strong competition for Skrine in year 1) and G ....... and maybe even WR2. (given the depth of this draft at WR)
We should also be able to find a quality RB for depth as well.
We also, having 10 picks, have the ability to move around in the draft.
I saw one mock that had us trading down with the Bills, picking up their #9 along with their 2nd round pick. If it looks like Bridgewater or Manziel is going to drop, that might be an option. Imagine if we could grab Bridgewater or Manziel at 9, then take that 2nd round pick from the Bills, and combine it with our 26th overall, and move back up to 10-12 for another premium player.
Could be interesting. It will be interesting to see how Farmer plays the draft. Given that this is his 1st draft, it's impossible to know how aggressive he'll be. I do think that we are in a good situation to fill a ton of needs with highly rated players.
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You can find 4-5 starters in this draft for sure....mid/long term, but to bank on it from day one and push a handful of rookies onto the field just because you have bums as alternatives is another 2-6 start and wasted season, I guarantee you that and that's my problem with "phase 1", what phase one btw? FA is as good as over, 90% of the decent/good guys are signed. People have more hope for a 4th rounder to start now than any FA left, what does that tell you about "phase 2 and 3"?
We, again, did not enough in FA. I'm lamenting this fact since Heckert's last FA. It's the 3rd straight offseason that we sit on a pile of money, our GM getting prospect happy and we're won 5 and 4 games in those seasons despite having developed a bunch of AllPros. Riddle me this !
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I've read you post "another 2-6 start" a few times now.
We were 3-2 last year. And have only started 2-6 once since 2007.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Thanks for the correction. Maybe you can also tell us how many times our season was over before November since 2007, because that was my point...in case you missed it.
A plethora of rooks and UDFA also cripples you at the back end of a season, as we were allowed to witness last season, but we've lost many close early season games too over the years, because we were too inexperienced.
Farmer and a lot of posters on here already are all prospect happy again because we have 10 picks. During the last season all were so excited how those 12 UDFA rooks might develop into something great. You realize that we can't fit all of them onto the roster.
I feel somewhat dirty arguing this, since I used to be the prospect happy guy around here, and there is (and was) a time and place for that, but our current roster and cap situation is not that of a team looking to break in another dozen rooks. We need experienced starters, more than just a couple we brought in and NOT another boatload of rooks.
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Well ill go with what you say...
Because you obviously know what Farmer is going to do before he does it.
And because you disagree with what hes done, that obviously means he doesn't know what he's doing.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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have guys even saying that they were okay w/TJ Ward being allowed to walk. I know I liked Ward a lot and thought he was a very good 2nd round pick. But if you examine the facts and not go by emotions and I'm saying any dawg...but by the facts alone as you asked for. The move was a good one for the team.
You yourself brought up what you saw in deficiencies regarding Wards Game. I personally think he's a little better in coverage than most give credit for. But his game showed up last year (ergo Pro-Bowl) due to the defense that we were playing where he would be in the box for a hight % of plays. I even saw him line up as our ILB on more than one occasion. We instead brought in a SS that calls Cleveland his home. But he also has very good tackling ability against the run but had shown a vast improvement on his coverage skills last season and made himself better. This is a fact and only due to the defense that I can only PRESUME we will run it benefited us. This is why I embrace the move. Not a Ward is no longer a Brown so he sucks.
The guys I think possibly suck I do state that is so after they leave. Also on more than one occasion I have told you that you were correct about the player in your negative insights. But not Ward. I still think in the CORRECT ROLE for him he can be an very good player. I don't think that role is being sought for him in our new Scheme...and its not prevalent in too many schemes.
jmho - possibly you meant your criticism for others but I clearly fit that bill - so thought an explanation was in order
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We need experienced starters, more than just a couple we brought in ...
I'm certain that this is not what you mean by the above, but the implication is that you want to build through FA, not the draft. I'd prefer to "gain" experience (with drafted players), rather than "buying" it. One of the (few) things I liked about Banner was that he wanted to build for long-term success. You don't achieve that goal with FA rentals...
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I just want to say something here ......
I don't know how Farmer will turn out as GM. None of us do. However, in phase 1 of his 1st off-season, with little time to actually prepare for being THE decision maker, I like the way he has started. I think that he has upgraded 4 spots, and that's a good start.
I have said that I see the off-season in 4 stages.
This was an excellent post. Reasoned, balanced and informative. Including the parts I didn't quote!
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You yourself brought up what you saw in deficiencies regarding Wards Game.
I think you are misunderstanding me. I have zero problem w/Farmer letting Ward walk. I thought the guy was tremendously overrated. I think Whitner is a similar player, but he is an upgrade. I actually applaud Farmer for the move.
What's killing me is how almost everyone slammed me for criticizing Ward, yet now they are saying it was a good move to replace him w/Whitner. What?
I simply want honest debate. I am so sick and tired of the regime wars. Guys who hated Mangini automatically loved H and H and then they hated Banner and now they love Farmer. The opposite is also true.
There is one guy who was going to quit watching the Browns if we let DQ walk. This was when Banner was in charge. He loved Ward. He might have been his biggest fan. Now, it's all okay. It's because Banner was an idiot and Farmer is the god-send.
I've got too much going on to deal w/nonsense like that. I just want honest evaluations of every move. I am so tired of every move either being bad or good. I believe Farmer has made some good moves thus far and some bad moves. I believe the same was true for Banner.
But, what do we get. The majority of posters thought every move Banner made was awful and are not defending every move that Farmer makes. Can't we just be honest and stop playing these stupid games?
I know it won't happen, but I felt the need to say it. It's so deflating to read these biased posts over and over and over. Forget honest debate. We all gotta think the same way and if you disagree w/even one move, you are clueless.
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Yeah well I've been a Browns football Slut and loved everyone... 
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we need to call you door knob,,, everybody gets a turn.
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ehhh just call me the blooper...
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But, what do we get. The majority of posters thought every move Banner made was awful and are not defending every move that Farmer makes. Can't we just be honest and stop playing these stupid games?
I'll disagree with that, most people were mostly shocked with the Richardson trade at first, but a majority felt like it was a great move, being a little hesitant to be ok with trading the #3 pick barely a year later is an acceptable reaction.
Some people though like to point out that we traded Trent and "then" our running game sucked. But can anyone honestly say it would of been better with Trent? The Colts are basically lying to their fan base saying they'd do the trade over. He got benched for DONALD BROWN..
I liked what Mangini was building, we had a tough team, not the most talented obviously, but I HATED what he did to the 09 draft, even just getting a 1st for dropping back 12 spots makes that somewhat ok to deal with, regardless of who he drafted...
I liked most of Heckerts picks, but felt he reached way too often (Hardesty, Rich, OMGWEEDEN) but I also think he was handicapped by Holmgren. Then they both panicked and ruined the 2012 first round... Also, I don't know what's worse, wasting a year on Mangini, or hiring Shurmur..
Then Haslem bought the team and everyone overreacted to the loss of Heckerts, only because he had been the best GM since we came back, which shows how bad it's been...
I think Haslem got stuck with Banner, he's a new owner and didn't really understand what was going on, and Banner had way too much power, He did have some good moves, swapping a 4 and 5 for a 3 and 4 in a deep draft, getting anything for Richardson, etc. I just honestly don't think he was qualified to run the football side.
Farmer has come in, and really hasn't done much for people to love or hate him as much as they do. I just know I like the setup of our FO more now than I did before, and Farmer is a guy league wide that is respected.
The common theme for any of these Regimes, is that none of them found a QB. I've always said whomever is our coach/GM when we do find the QB, regardless of how good they are, will be proclaimed great/geniuses, just because they finally lucked into someone that's good, when no one else did...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Thanks for the post, but it is NOT my wish to compare regimes.
My request is that we finally drop the alternating regime game. I just want us to evaluate each move these guys make individually and honestly instead of either loving every move or hating every move.
Is that too much to ask?
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