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I won't be upset if we draft Teddy but I worry about Warm weather QBs playing in Cleveland. I know Bernie played at Miami buy he grew up in Youngstown. Can anybody tell me how many warm weather QBs with small hands and not great arms made it in cold weather cities?.......with outdoor stadiums?
Are you saying he's a warm weather QB. Kentucky isn't exactly Florida. It's 37 degrees there right now at least. Now it might never be Cleveland in December (or hopefully January) cold, but what college kids really play in that besides Big 10 Schoolers? Louisville Kentucky isn't exactly Phoenix Arizona...... I imagine the Syracuse Football Team practices in November in that Dome of theres, so that's the only one I can think of that can compete. Besides MAC teams and WAC teams.
According to mapquest it's an hour and a half southwest of Cincinatti. It can't be that much warmer there........
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I saw part of it this morning before work. I just watched the 4 minute video that CHS posted. I would love to see the entire thing. Other than the glove conversation, it was fascinating.
Did you guys notice how comfortable he was as soon as Gruden asked him to go to the chalkboard? Did you see how impressed Gruden was? The kid is unbelievably football smart. I also like how he is always smiling. Great personality.
I have to say that I disagree w/Mourg about all the air under his passes. I am not saying he has the biggest arm, but it is better than adequate. I have posted numerous articles and quotes that have addressed this concern. I wonder if people skip over these articles and videos and just stick w/their opinion w/out examining the evidence?
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I must've missed the part where he got put on the board. Here is a link to an interview about Bridgewater. Gruden interview
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Thanks for the link.
Look back to CHS's link. Gruden and Teddy begin by talking about the gloves. Right after that, JG puts Teddy on the chalk board. It's pretty cool.
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First, I'm not a QB guru by any standard and I've just started watching some video on the QBs...watched some on Bridgewater today.
I do have concerns after watching the quality of the defenses TB played against last season and during his career at Lousville.
In his 2013 regular season, Bridgewater played against only 4 teams that had a winning record...1 team with a 6-6 record ...7 teams with losing records.
Bridgewater's stats are definitely padded/inflated due the level of competition he played against and that fact should be considered when judging his talent level.
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I wonder why people don't mention how he lit-up Florida last year in the bowl game when talking about the quality of competition? They had the best defense in the country that year.
People criticize Teddy for playing against inferior competition, but do not say that about Jimmy G?
Wonder why?
I hope this isn't racially motivated.
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The one issue I havehad with Bridgewater is the amount of air he puts under all of his throws. You can do that in a dome but you cant do that in the AFC North in Nov and Dec. It is why Andy dalton is a top top 10 QB in sept and oct and a bottom 5 QB in Nov, dec and Jan.
If I am the Jags or Texans I would strongly consider Teddy. I just dont know what kind of value I could put on him for the bad weather browns. touch thrower with a ton of air under the ball just isnt a good choice for this team.
You dont have to have a great arm but you need a capable arm.
Mour, I'm not quite sure what you're seeing here that indicates arm strength that is less than NFL caliber. I see the exact opposite.
Honestly, how many QB's in this league have a gun for an arm? Maybe 2 or 3?
I'm going to throw something at you. Why has Peyton Manning had incredible success in Indy in a DOME, yet he totally falls apart when in weather below 40 degrees? And he does fall apart.
Also, the Manning in his 20's had a solid arm, but it is nowhere near that today. Yet he still wins.
Arm strength is probably THE MOST over-rated thing in any QB.
As Vers has said, I'd take the SMARTS to be able to decipher what you're seeing on the field over arm strength EVERY TIME.
And Kosar never had more than an average arm. He had SMARTS.
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The one issue I havehad with Bridgewater is the amount of air he puts under all of his throws. You can do that in a dome but you cant do that in the AFC North in Nov and Dec. It is why Andy dalton is a top top 10 QB in sept and oct and a bottom 5 QB in Nov, dec and Jan.
If I am the Jags or Texans I would strongly consider Teddy. I just dont know what kind of value I could put on him for the bad weather browns. touch thrower with a ton of air under the ball just isnt a good choice for this team.
You dont have to have a great arm but you need a capable arm.
Mour, I'm not quite sure what you're seeing here that indicates arm strength that is less than NFL caliber. I see the exact opposite.
Honestly, how many QB's in this league have a gun for an arm? Maybe 2 or 3?
I'm going to throw something at you. Why has Peyton Manning had incredible success in Indy in a DOME, yet he totally falls apart when in weather below 40 degrees? And he does fall apart.
Also, the Manning in his 20's had a solid arm, but it is nowhere near that today. Yet he still wins.
Arm strength is probably THE MOST over-rated thing in any QB.
As Vers has said, I'd take the SMARTS to be able to decipher what you're seeing on the field over arm strength EVERY TIME.
And Kosar never had more than an average arm. He had SMARTS.
With an average arm and below average running skills, Kosar was a top flight NFL quarterback because of "smarts". Bernie could read defenses better than most and also audible with uncanny results.
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Leftwhich had a big time hitch in his throwing motion...really not much of a comparison except for the color of their skin. Bozoism at their best 
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"Did you guys notice how comfortable he was as soon as Gruden asked him to go to the chalkboard? Did you see how impressed Gruden was? The kid is unbelievably football smart."
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It is so clear to see how this young man get's it. Hard to understand how so many others don't see it.
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It is so clear to see how this young man get's it. Hard to understand how so many others don't see it.
I'd have to go and check, but I believe that when Colt McCoy sat down with Gruden, he was comfortable and looked football smart as well. Not sure what that says,.
I just checked for that Video but ESPN says it's no longer available.
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Colt ran a spread in college, we brought him in as tried to make him a prototypical QB. So let's see, undersized, didn't really have the arm, drafted in the 3rd round and expected to start on a very bad football team.
Even the smartest QB couldn't win in that situation. It takes guys coming from the spread time to adjust, that's why guys like Luck and Bridgewater so thought so well of, they already run the offense most teams run in the NFL.
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I wonder why people don't mention how he lit-up Florida last year in the bowl game when talking about the quality of competition? They had the best defense in the country that year.
People criticize Teddy for playing against inferior competition, but do not say that about Jimmy G?
Wonder why?
I hope this isn't racially motivated.
vers says..."I wonder why people don't mention how he lit-up Florida last year"
It might be because your definition for "lit-up" is 20-32 for 266 yds 2 td 1 int.
TBs performance against the Gators was not a bad game, but he didn't "light up" the Gators in the Sugar Bowl.
I have no need to "hype" Bridgewater's performance because I don't have a favorite QB and I don't have a man crush on any of them. I'm trying to be objective, looking at all the QBs I review with the same degree of skepticism.
My opinion of Bridgewater's performance in the Sugar Bowl...it was average, with a lot dink and dunk type passes.
I just started looking at QBs...so try not to take my comments personally.
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Colt ran a spread in college, we brought him in as tried to make him a prototypical QB. So let's see, undersized, didn't really have the arm, drafted in the 3rd round and expected to start on a very bad football team.
Even the smartest QB couldn't win in that situation. It takes guys coming from the spread time to adjust, that's why guys like Luck and Bridgewater so thought so well of, they already run the offense most teams run in the NFL.
And I won't argue that, but the comment was about how smart Teddy is and all I'm saying is, so was Colt..
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...and a gazillion of failed overachievers...Ken Dorsey, Gradkowski etc etc
The truth is you need a good mix of both talent and intangibles. If you severly lack in one of them, chances are you'll never make it.
That said, I like Bridgewater's mix. He's still the best bet at QB, but I'm not enamoured with any of them in this draft. I do like Murray later, but he may have to be redshirted next season anyway. He'd be a good stash guy, if they want "to find out" about Hoyer.
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I think his knee is another big reason. Most probably he will get IRed this season, similar what the 49ers did with Lattimore.
Not sure he'll get drafted in the top 4 rounds because of this
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Exactly, which is why I put very little weight to that interview. FYI, Gruden had a lotta nice things to say about McCoy as well.
I put about as much weight on these interviews as I do on a Pro Day.. Both can mislead you.
I'd think you can learn more by interviewing a guy (I mean the team, not someone else, that way you can ask pointed questions knowing what you need to hear), watching game film with him and before he comes in and putting him through drills designed to show you what he will do in your system.
That to me would tell you what you need to know. then you test it against other guys and go full speed ahead for the guy that you feel fits best.
And yeah, that may not be who everyone thinks is the best QB in the draft.. And it wouldn't mean that the best in the draft is a bad QB, but again, you are looking for the best fit for your team.
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You can ignore...pay attention - to be honest it doesn't matter.
There is no blueprint formula in evaluating QBs.
You get the rare no Brainers. Manning n Luck, I thought RG3 was up there. Kelly (Buffalo) I'm sure some more.
But for the most part the rest has been a see saw of successes and failures.
Smart Dumb...Marino was suppose to have had a low Wonderlick score.
In college there is almost not many reasons to go further than one read. So whether they are in a one read offense or not they don't get much experience in progressions. Window to throw is different. Complicated defenses...There just is no comparison from college to NFL. So anyone who says they KNOW FOR SURE...there is no track record. You can see special though in film and live.
I do know that actually we are blessed because at the time WE sent OUR Asst. GM to actual games and he would spend the week days attending practices watching the preparation and execution of the game plans.
He went to almost all the QBs we got on our Radar.
Now he is the GM and he is not the guy reading somebody elses report and having to trust them. HE IS THE GUY. I think this puts us in maybe a seat to MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION ONCE AND FOR ALL.
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I don't have an argument with that at all. It's just that I think a face to face meeting with the guy coupled with film study with the guy and drills meant to simulate what it is you will ask him to do are probably the best way to get a feel.
And I doubt that you will hit it right everytime. To me, that's just the best way to decide who best fits what you want....
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You missed the point. Not a just a matter of looking comfortable.
It was clear when he went to the board that his grasp of the game is at high level.
He was aware of not only the progressions but of the situational adjustments. You can tell when confidence in knowledge meets the opportunity to explain oneself.
Bridgewater's knowledge of offensive philosophy translates to his execution on the field.
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I keep seeing that Teddy has a great understanding of the game, and that might be true.
But you still have to have the physical tools to succeed in the NFL, and I'm not sure Teddy has it.
You have to have at least some kind of combination of both.
If you have all the brains and none of the tools, you end up like Colt McCoy.
If you have the tools and don't have the brains, you have JaMarcus Russell.
I don't see NFL tools in Bridgewater, regardless of how high his knowledge of the game is.
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To me, the point is this...........................Teddy Bridgewater can beat you w/his intelligence, arm, and athleticism. And his greatest attribute is his football intelligence. Fortunately, his physical skill set does not prevent his football intelligence from being a huge factor.
But does he have the arm strength and mechanics to spin it in the windy, cold environment of Cleveland? Does he have the body size and strength to take NFL hits every Sunday? I'm not saying he doesn't or can't. But those are questions that need answered before drafting him. He's smaller body wise than Colt McCoy and he couldn't stay healthy. And while I'm a believer that a massive arm isn't necessary to succeed in Pro-football, in Cleveland you do need enough arm to cut through the heavy winds we see here from late fall onward.... This isn't the South where the weather rarely plays a factor.
If we take Bridgewater we'll have to hope those things don't become a problem. And that is fine. We need a QB and taking a chance on one isn't a bad thing. But it sure would be nice if there was a SURE thing QB for us to draft just once. Not a "hope he can over come" QB. There is no "sure thing" QB in this draft. More's the pity.... Peace
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But does he have the arm strength and mechanics to spin it in the windy, cold environment of Cleveland?
If the Browns bring Bridgewater in for a work out, hopefully they insist that it be outdoors and I would hope the Browns pick a day when it's cold.
Same goes for all the QBs the Browns might be interested in.
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You missed the point. Not a just a matter of looking comfortable.
It was clear when he went to the board that his grasp of the game is at high level.
He was aware of not only the progressions but of the situational adjustments. You can tell when confidence in knowledge meets the opportunity to explain oneself.
Bridgewater's knowledge of offensive philosophy translates to his execution on the field.
I really wish you could watch the Gruden Interview of McCoy..., You would find that he had a great grasp as well... Very solid...
What I'm saying, and this is a point you missed, is that it's a piece of the puzzle.. Not the whole puzzle.
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The truth is you need a good mix of both talent and intangibles. If you severly lack in one of them, chances are you'll never make it.
That said, I like Bridgewater's mix. He's still the best bet at QB, but I'm not enamoured with any of them in this draft. I do like Murray later, but he may have to be redshirted next season anyway. He'd be a good stash guy, if they want "to find out" about Hoyer.
Those overachievers all failed because they had subpar arms. Not even close to average/adequate.
Question is: does Teddy have enough arm. Always hard to tell on TV/videos but I think he does.
You don't need a super strong arm to QB in bad weather. Anderson had a much stronger arm than Kosar but Kosar threw a much better windy day pass.
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Thanks. I can't believe some of these guys are comparing Teddy's arm to Colt's.
Really?
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I honestly believe that Colt's arm never recovered from the bowl game injury. I wonder how he could have done had it not been injured.
Though thinking about it, Colt's biggest problem was leaving the pocket too soon. And when he did, he scrambled the wrong way more times than not and ended up running into a rusher. Then he would panic and make a horrible throw.
Maybe it wasn't his arm that was the issue.
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I was gonna compare his arm more to Ken Dorsey but decided to be nice.
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He did leave the pocket too early, but his arm was an issue. I never thought it was good---even before the injury. Colt was also very weak. Never forget the time he ran into one of the coaches during a preseason game his rookie year. The coach didn't move, Colt fell backwards on his butt.
Colt could make plays, though. He was a winner. Just didn't have the physical skills to get it done in the NFL. The Teddy/Colt comparison is pretty dumb.
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"I don't see NFL tools in Bridgewater, regardless of how high his knowledge of the game is."
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What are you looking for that you do not see?
Accuracy, poise, touch, ball placement, mobility, vision, reading defenses, timing, toughness, leadership.
What games did you watch? Provide some examples of what you did not see, in what games?
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I've commented on this multiple times.
Bridgewater doesn't drive off his back foot. He makes throws off his front foot constantly, and doesn't have any 'zip' on his ball. The ball floats to his receivers.
He got away with it in the AAC, but in the NFL, a split second in the ball getting to a receiver is the difference between a completion and a pick.
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"Bridgewater doesn't drive off his back foot. He makes throws off his front foot constantly, and doesn't have any 'zip' on his ball. The ball floats to his receivers." =================================================
You do not make reference to where and when. There is not a quarterback I have ever watched that at times( because of necessity) that does not throw off his back foot, or for that matter is not required to throw off multiple platforms.
So in essence you are saying "arm strength" ? Correct?
I can point to any number of throws that Bridgewater has made where he delivered a fastball when required.
In addition, arm strength is over rated because you can compensate with anticipation and timing. Manning and Rivers are two current players that compensate their arm strength. I can name many others.
In the end it all about results. Watch the tape. Look at the stats. What was the impact on the game by the quarterback?
Really I do not know what else Bridgewater can do that he did not do in college both on and off the field.
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I did not cite certain examples, because it is a common occurance.
You might be able to show me a "number of throws" -- Those "number of throws" are the exception, not the norm.
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...to Ken Dorsey.
There, I finished the sentence.
Do you honestly think that Ken Dorsey has a stronger arm than Teddy Bridgewater? Or are you just that desperate for attention?
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I was being facecious. I do seriously question his arm strength, but I was exaggerating a bit 
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As I have stated several times before the only QB I would take at #4 is Bridgewater. I like his smarts and think his arm is ok. For those that don't like Bridgewater, which QB would you take at #4... or #26 for that matter.
I have no problems with you pointing out Bridgewaters weaknesses, but if not him then who?
(Btw, I am also not against NOT taking a QB in the 1st round, and taking one in the 3rd and going all in next year for a QB. But if we do take a QB early IMO only Bridgewater is worth it)
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Translation: I really haven't watched him, but I am not going to do any research because it might make me change my opinion and that is unacceptable.
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