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Not only am I observant but I am also informed.
That's a matter of your own opinion. That is, in itself fine. Let's see, I say that I'm also observant and informed. You see how that works?
I'm aware that my viewpoint isn't popular here with anyone else.
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You see when I state an opinion I like to back it up with information to prove the point. I look at what the player did on the field, during a game, against competition. That kind of illustrates the point.
Okay, let's back it up with facts.
Fact #1: Teddy Bridewater lighter than a high school cheerleader.
Fact #2: His passing skills are over-rated. He doesn't have a strong arm and the passes he throws in college are turnovers in the NFL and quite possibly Pick 6's.
Fact #3: He's completed a bunch of passes (here's a clue, lots of college QBs have done it this year) with few interceptions. So, they are all Top 3 QBs in the draft.
Fact #4: At his pro day, a scripted drills display, he performed badly. No other QB, with the eyeballs on them, have performed this badly.
Fact #5: A report my Mortensen states that he's performed badly in his private workouts. Let's say you dismiss this statement, you must then exclude the statement of his agent to be 'informed'.
Fact #6: Bridgewater has been downgraded by most NFL teams. Many had him not in the first round (in mid-Janurary) per Daniel Jeremiah and nothing has improved that situtation in the past 3 months.
Maybe Mortensen is off his rocker, but if asked to believe him or Bridgewater's agent about Bridgewater's performances, the smart money believes Mortensen.
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Your opinion is of course - yours. But then again your opinion doesn't quite hold water when it appears it is based upon very little. As most of the posters on this board have concluded.
*shrug* My opinion isn't trying to hold water. It's just my statement describing my own views based upon my own observations. I don't really take much into account about what I read. In the Mortensen-Bridgewater's agent battle, I don't really care one way or the other. Anyone will know that I never liked Bridgewater from the start and Mortensen's report wouldn't influence me in any way. It seems to me that the people that are offended by Mortensen or question it are those that like Bridgewater and they take it as a personal attack on their view, which is often just someone else's view that they adopted as their own.
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With the exception of Flacco, I believe its a reasonable statement to say that only Elite NFL Quarterbacks win the Super Bowl.
Does Teddy have what it takes to win 4 straight games in the playoffs? Can he win a Super Bowl? Obviously, we are just talking gut feelings, but you watch enough pro football for decades and gut feelings can be accurate.
Watched him on the Gamechangers episode last night.
For me, good isn't good enough. The question to me is, can Teddy become an Elite NFL Quarterback? Can he lead a team to the Super Bowl and win it? I don't think so, but if we draft him I really hope he proves me wrong. In order for me to consider him Elite, he has to perform to the standard of Aaron Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, even Wilson, Luck, or Eli. IMO he doesn't have it. He has done some really good things as a college QB, run a pro-style offense, and he does read defenses well. But, I'd bet he doesn't end up being an Elite NFL QB.
I hope he proves me wrong.
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With the exception of Flacco, I believe its a reasonable statement to say that only Elite NFL Quarterbacks win the Super Bowl.
I wouldn't even say with the exception of Flacco.. for a few games during that playoff run Flacco played as well as any elite QB.. which speaks to your point, you don't have to be an every day elite QB, but you have to be able to play like one for a few games back to back.
The truly elite are the ones that do it year after year after year..
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In order for me to consider him Elite, he has to perform to the standard of Aaron Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, even Wilson, Luck, or Eli. IMO he doesn't have it.
It is kind of ironic that your list includes late first rounders, second rounders, a third rounder, a 6th rounder... so obviously most people didn't think they had it either.... It will be interesting to watch it unfold, I just hope we get it right...
I will say this, whoever lines up under center next year for the Cleveland Browns has BY FAR the greatest chance to succeed of any QB we've had here since the early 90s... nobody has lined up with as much talent around him as we have right now... so to all of those who said build the team first then get the QB, I think we have done a pretty good job of that... now it comes down to coaching and the QB...
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I find it highly questionable that you think he's clueless about how he feels, but yet your feelings seem to mean more. Just because you like the way you grade out players, but don't like the way he does it, does not mean your right and he's wrong, just means you look at things differently 
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With the exception of Flacco, I believe its a reasonable statement to say that only Elite NFL Quarterbacks win the Super Bowl.
I wouldn't even say with the exception of Flacco.. for a few games during that playoff run Flacco played as well as any elite QB.. which speaks to your point, you don't have to be an every day elite QB, but you have to be able to play like one for a few games back to back.
The truly elite are the ones that do it year after year after year..
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In order for me to consider him Elite, he has to perform to the standard of Aaron Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, even Wilson, Luck, or Eli. IMO he doesn't have it.
It is kind of ironic that your list includes late first rounders, second rounders, a third rounder, a 6th rounder... so obviously most people didn't think they had it either.... It will be interesting to watch it unfold, I just hope we get it right...
I will say this, whoever lines up under center next year for the Cleveland Browns has BY FAR the greatest chance to succeed of any QB we've had here since the early 90s... nobody has lined up with as much talent around him as we have right now... so to all of those who said build the team first then get the QB, I think we have done a pretty good job of that... now it comes down to coaching and the QB...
You're right, Flacco's run was nearly perfect. Who could have seen that coming?
If I speak from gut feeling, then people will have a problem with it. They should.
I don't think our Super Bowl winning, elite, QB is in this draft. Just a feeling I've had all along. I know, I know, we must have our guy now! We must go out and get our guy now! Even if "our guy" isn't going to end up Elite, or win us a Super Bowl.
Once again, whoever "our guy" is, I sure hope he proves me wrong.
You're last paragraph is spot on also. If we were to draft someone like Hyde and he were to turn out really productive, then it would be comparable to the Bernie/Kevin Mack years.
Lots of talent, time to get it done.
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If I speak from gut feeling, then people will have a problem with it. They should.
If you speak from the gut, people will have a problem with it... if you post stats, people will have a problem with it... if you say it's "I know what I see" perspective, people will have a problem with it... that's just how it goes. 
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I don't think our Super Bowl winning, elite, QB is in this draft. Just a feeling I've had all along. I know, I know, we must have our guy now! We must go out and get our guy now! Even if "our guy" isn't going to end up Elite, or win us a Super Bowl.
And that's the problem, even if we go with Hoyer and he plays reasonably well, we are 7-8 win team.. which is never going to put us in position to draft the next Andrew Luck or Jameis Winston or whoever that next sure QB is...... my guess is that there is a super bowl winning QB in this draft, maybe not a Joe Montana or Tom Brady type but one of these QBs will win a super bowl, I just don't know which one or for whom. 
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What happens if Hoyer plays well enough to get us to the Playoffs?
Is it a bad thing because we can't get our Elite QB in the next draft or is it a good thing because we got to the Playoffs?
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I have no problem with anyone who states their opinion. That is what this forum is about.
However, in the light of having a discussion about any topic the point is to try and back "your argument" with information to prove the point. Kind of like a court room.
If you have followed this discussion on Bridgewater you can read the argument. I have provided links to film. Articles written by credible sources ( at least from people who have a pro football background. People who have been GM's like Casserly and Poilan.
Stats that back up the argument from games played.
Am I right? Maybe. But at least there is information to back it up.
On the other hand what anarchy has provided are personal statements he tries to pass as fact:
Fact #1: Teddy Bridewater lighter than a high school cheerleader.
Fact #2: His passing skills are over-rated. He doesn't have a strong arm and the passes he throws in college are turnovers in the NFL and quite possibly Pick 6's.
Fact #3: He's completed a bunch of passes (here's a clue, lots of college QBs have done it this year) with few interceptions. So, they are all Top 3 QBs in the draft.
Fact #4: At his pro day, a scripted drills display, he performed badly. No other QB, with the eyeballs on them, have performed this badly.
Fact #5: A report my Mortensen states that he's performed badly in his private workouts. Let's say you dismiss this statement, you must then exclude the statement of his agent to be 'informed'.
Fact #6: Bridgewater has been downgraded by most NFL teams. Many had him not in the first round (in mid-Janurary) per Daniel Jeremiah and nothing has improved that situtation in the past 3 months.
You tell me if you find this enlightening:
" Fact #1: Teddy Bridewater lighter than a high school cheerleader."
" but I'll contend that your boyfriend was never as high on the draft boards of teams as you would like to think."
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What is that based on?
Bridgewater has been rated as the top quarterback in this draft before the college season began. He did nothing during the playing season to change that other than prove it. The numbers and the film back it up.
Yet anarchy runs around spouting personal attacks and garbage to try and prove his personal agenda.
As stated I have no time for people like him.
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Cleveland is an underdog city. (Has become one)
Hoyer is (somewhat) of an underdog. And, he's an Ohio guy.
If he gets us into the playoffs, 90% of us will take a bullet for him.
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Bone, after you read those "Facts" you should have just stopped responding. If those "facts" aren't a blatant attempt to get under your (our) skin, I don't know what is.
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IF we think that Bridgewater will fall past pick 9 and go with Robinson at 4, then I hope we call the Lions and offer 26+35 and some change for their 10 as the Titans at 11 are a real possibility (and Rams at 13 maybe too). That's a scenario I'd be happy with, getting two of my top5 prospects
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Legit question without any harshness to it Django- Why would we draft someone to play RT at #4? He may be BPA there but with the new rookie salary scale, doesnt it make a little more sense to go to a more needs-based draft approach?
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the thinking would be that Joe is getting up there and might be time to start grooming his replacement.
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the thinking would be that Joe is getting up there and might be time to start grooming his replacement.
By the time Joe Thomas retires, Robinson will be close to the age Thomas is now.
Then are you going to draft his replacement cuz he's 'getting older'?
Seems pretty silly to me.
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It's a scenario that won't happen anyway, because if you like Teddy enough to burn some picks to go to 10, you'd just draft him at 4, end of story. As for Robinson, I'd play him at OG in his first season and depending on Schwartz' 2014 either let him there or move him over to RT. I'm not enamoured with this idea, but I don't think we have the luxury to afford it. Also, I'm not in love with any other pick but Teddy at 4 and I'm 100% sure that we have to go QB with that pick no matter what...it'd just be nice to have two top 5 guys and only way of that happening is if Teddy falls, which now seems more likely than Robinson falling out of the top 9...it was just wishful thinking 
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This was my thinking as well. Robinson has played G and I believe at a high level. Schwartz I don't believe has ever played G, so why try to move him over, when you can go with a plug & play guy like Robinson. But, like you I don't think we get the chance.
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is it a good thing because we got to the Playoffs
PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS? 
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It so so obvious to me how clueless you are that it is not worth the time to respond too.
I find it highly questionable that you think he's clueless about how he feels, but yet your feelings seem to mean more. Just because you like the way you grade out players, but don't like the way he does it, does not mean your right and he's wrong, just means you look at things differently
You don't have to butt into it. However, I will add that I've seen posts that say "watch the tape" and I've read that enough here to feel like I was at every game Teddy Bridgewater ever played just by osmosis of seeing that phrase enough times. It's like I'm living Teddy Bridgewater's life vicariously via astral projection. 
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Kind of like a court room.
I see. I'm on trial and you're the judge, jury and executioner, right?
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Did you read anarchy's "facts?"
They aren't even close to factual.
Sheesh................I can't believe you guys are accepting all his BS. He's making stuff up to draw attention to himself. And in the off chance hie is right, he will say, "I told you so" for years. If he is wrong, it will be forgotten.
He won't even study game tape or breakdowns. He just chose a stance out of nowhere. And you are defending him?
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I just hope you guys have male cheerleaders these days.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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He is one of the most football intelligent QBs to come out in years. He has been compared favorably to P. Manning and Rodgers in that regard.
This one got me to thinking.
I have to assume that a 'QB's Club' of some sort exists. You know- that private fraternity of guys who talk, but NEVER talk outside the club. Let's face it: the NFL is a pretty small professional pool. All these guys know each other- and they all talk, from time to time. I;m sure that the conversations they have would be truly eye-opening to the rest of us.
I know I'm part of one such fraternity in my job... and the stuff we say about guest soloists, conductors, and players in other groups would shock the general public! And most of the time- we're right. (Like Ol' Pap Will Sonnett used to say: "No brag- just fact.")
What interests me is what Peyton, Aaron, Tom and Drew might say about this next class of QB's...
...over beers in one of their man caves...
...when nobody else can hear.
Noone knows the job like someone who's DONE the job. I may not be able to predict a successful NFL QB prospect, but I can smell a musical hack a mile off, with no trouble. I'm sure these guys can, too.
I'd love to pick their brains on things like this... Peyton, in particular. He's about as no-nonsense as they come- and knows what the essential elements are. I'd expect him to be able to dissect a QB- ANY QB- and be 80-90% accurate in his assessment.
I'm sure that if we were flies on the wall at a gathering like that, we'd hear some very eye-opening assessments about ALL the upcoming candidates.
Pros have their own criteria... and I'd trust their opinions more than any sportscaster, local/regional/national writer, or some Kiper-esque on-screen 'draft guru.'
Dangit, Vers... see what you done did here? By invoking the exalted names of Peyton and Aaron, you've made me want to know what Peyton and Aaron actually think about Teddy.... something I'll never get to know! 
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Sheesh................I can't believe you guys are accepting all his BS.
I don't accept his BS any more than I accept yours.. I've just said that he has a right to have an opinion. If he wants to call it "facts".. oh well.
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He won't even study game tape or breakdowns.
Is this a requirement to having an opinion?
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Dangit, Vers... see what you done did here? By invoking the exalted names of Peyton and Aaron, you've made me want to know what Peyton and Aaron actually think about Teddy.... something I'll never get to know!
Other than casually watching a bowl game or watching a game against their alma mater if it happened, I seriously doubt any of those guys could give you an intelligent answer about these young quarterbacks for one simple reason... they don't care.
I would be very surprised if any of these guys wasted their time studying college QBs enough to even have an opinion beyond what you or I know. During the season they are way too busy to devote any time to actually studying college players beyond watching their old teams play and in the offseason, they are working out, playing golf, doing charity events, not studying the next crop of young QBs.. The closest you will get are the opinions of Aikman, Jaworski, and other retired NFL QBs who now have time, and get paid, to monitor such things..
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For me, good isn't good enough.
Ron Wolf who I quote a lot. He stated (maybe not word for word).
A good QB will get you into the post season.
A GREAT QB will win you a Championship.
I like Teddy a lot and I do think he can be GREAT. Also why I like JM.
Carr? Is he a Marino? or is he an O'Brien?
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Is this a requirement to having an opinion?
Is that a serious question? Do you think just deciding to not like the guy because he was the one w/the early hype is a good reason for hating on that particular player. No facts at all other than he was hyped? Seriously?
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Yep, it's a serious question. I don't know why he doesn't like Teddy, don't really care.
I've read a lot of guys who played the game at the NFL level and/or study tape for a living who have serious reservations about Teddy but when they bring them up, they are just blowhards who are after hits on their websites so their very informed opinions are quickly dismissed...
So somebody who doesn't study film has his criticisms of Teddy dismissed because he didn't do the film study...
The guy who did do the film study has his criticisms dismissed because he must have some ulterior motive...
The guy who watched some games and says Teddy just doesn't pass his eye test has his opinion dismissed because he hasn't looked at the stats...
The guy who posts another QBs stats and they look similar to Teddy's just doesn't understand the style of offense or the level of competition...
Basically you are going to dismiss anybody who raises any concerns at all about Teddy Bridgewater... we all get it.
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It's pretty simple with Vers--
If you form an opinion based on what you saw when you watched him play that differs, then you're doing just that, you're stating your 'opinion'
If you form an opinion based on what you saw when you watch him play, and it's the same as his -- Then you 'studied the film' and are presenting 'facts'
I think Teddy is slow to go through progessions, I don't think he drives off his back leg and lacks zip on the ball. His ball floats on him. I think a lot of those completions against the AAC are INT's in the NFL because they have no zip.
That is information I gathered, on my own, by watching him play. Yet Vers has constantly told me that I 'don't know what the hell I'm talking about' and that my observations are opinions, while his are facts.
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I don't dismiss him (Bridgewater), but I have to say that I have a problem with a grown man being called "Teddy". Come on man - you're 22 - it should be "Ted".
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Boy, you crazy.
Nice images but don't blame him because when he sees Bridgewater, he sees this:
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Yeah, but "John Football" doesn't sound as cool lol.
I can hear the public address announcer at the stadium now, "HERE'S JOHNNY." 
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