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Social conservatives 1, strippers 0 Posted by Aaron Marshall April 17, 2007 12:41PM A bill that would effectively end the strip club world as we know it in Ohio passed the Senate Tuesday afternoon in a 24-8 vote. Senate Bill 16 was proposed by an initiative petition filed by the Citizens for Community Values, a Cincinnati-area group that successfully pushed the gay marriage ban in Ohio. The bill was approved 7-1 Tuesday morning by the Senate's State and Local Government Committee. The bill would put in place a 6-foot rule separating patrons and performing strippers and cause adult clubs without liquor licenses to close at midnight. Those with liquor licenses could keep serving alcohol after midnight, but no performances would be allowed. The committee vote wasn't without intrigue, as several conservative Republicans on the committee appeared to be struggling with supporting the bill. "Why haven't I heard from any community in any part of the state asking me to pass this bill?" said Sen. Tom Niehaus, a Cincinnati-area Republican, after listening to an argument in favor of the bill from Barry Sheets, a Citizens for Community Values member. Sen. Larry Mumper, a Marion Republican, said he didn't understand the pressing need for the bill since state lawmakers passed House Bill 23 last year, which gives townships the authority to further regulate strip clubs. "I'm at a loss to understand why Senate Bill 16 is on the floor when you have these tools at hand, " said Mumper. Yet when push came to shove, both Mumper and Niehaus voted against postponing indefinitely or tabling the bill when they could have joined the three Democrats on the nine-member panel to kill the legislation. "I thought they were going to go our way," said Luke Liakos, a disappointed strip club owner from the Dayton area. "This is a bill to put us out of business, that's all there is to it." Liakos was one of a handful of club owners to testify against the bill. The unexpected committee drama - most insiders had pegged this bill for certain passage in the Senate given Senate President Bill Harris' strong support of it - overshawdowed some colorful testimony from a former Cleveland stripper and club owner against the legislation. Angelina Spencer, executive director of the National Association of Club Executives, asked lawmakers if they would be issuing "double length yardsticks" to police officers asked to enforce the 6-foot rule. "We should not be exhausting ourselves - going around in circles - debating the issues of adult entertainment because one theocratic organization demands that you do their bidding, their way," she told the lawmakers. "Now that is morally reprehensible." Sheets was the only person to testify for the bill at the hearing. He said the restrictions are needed because of negative "secondary effects" of strip clubs such as high crime rates, declining property values and urban blight. Specifically, he said the 6-foot rule is to protect female strippers from being pawed by patrons and to limit drug transactions between strippers and patrons. "This is the final piece of the puzzle we need," said Sheets. The lone Democrat who voted against the bill in committee, Sen. Shirley Smith of Cleveland, said the four strip clubs in her poverty-riddled district don't cause problems. "I have not, to my knowledge, received even one report of any problem at these places," she said.
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Exactly...there are about a hundred bigger issues in Ohio right now.
Outside of that though, I think it's for the best. Those places are just nasty.
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Those places are just nasty.
Then don't go to them.
I can understand that sentiment if they're right in the middle of something, a la the Guiliani Times Square clean up...but in Ohio, the majority of strip joints aren't in the middle of suburbia. They're generally condensed to certain areas...and if they're not, then the constituents of that district can make their voices heard and oust it.
I think strip clubs are nasty, too...that's why I don't go to them...but I don't care what they do in there. The stripper's placement to the patron makes no difference to me...that's just six more feet they have to be apart until they leave in his truck to do blow...not helping anything.
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The Bouncers Union of Ohio is going to be all over this.
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Legislating morality ? What another crock !! Fat assed housewives are about the only ones ardently opposed to strip clubs being in existence . They can't stand the fact that Earl would choose the stripper bar over an evening spent in the trailer with his behemoth sized wife. I personally don't get the whole desire to throw away my money just to peek at what I can get for free at home but if people want to do it so freakin what ? Let's all sit around on Friday nights and crack open the Good Book and have a scripture reading for giggles. We have people blowing us up, shooting us up, drugs running rampant, wars springing up , the healthcare system in the crapper , and this is the one thing that we have to get resolved ??? Wow.
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Huh?  I'm not a strip club regular.. but I've been to a few.. when GM forced me to go with him..  But the places I've been have been so tightly regulated.. the thing says it's to protect the girls from being "pawed"? The ones I've been to, if you raised your hand to touch a girl, some 250 lb guy broke it off at the elbow.. and drug transactions? Where exactly is a stripper going to hide drugs or large amounts of money? And who is going to execute a drug transaction with a bunch of people watching? I look for every reason to support social conservative issues but this is just idiotic. I don't know... maybe the few I've been to were just higher end and there really is a problem with others... but for the life of me I can't see where this serves any purpose at all. If they want the strip clubs gone, in my opinion, they should just man up and try to pass legislation to ban strip clubs instead of this backdoor attempt (no pun intended.. ) at making them unprofitable...
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In other news... Pacman has announced that he will not be visiting Ohio any time soon.
Can Pacman make it rain from 6 feet away? What will Chris Henry do with his time off now? So much intrigue.
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Ya well I may have had to drag you in there, but you had to drag me out
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Unless your John Holmes, lap dances are out of the question now ....
Damn that guy has been dead for some time now....I wonder how they ever got his casket shut?
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That's what I was thinking ... the bad news just keeps coming for Chris Henry.
Not really!
He can cross the bridge into Kentucky in five minutes!
Which is really all they're doing here. Pushing money out of Ohio and into Ky,Mich,and Ind.
Forcing their morality on others. Both partys do it. That's why one is just as bad as the other. Just pick your poison.
Flynt will just laugh at them and build strip clubs JUST across the state line in all directions and rake it in as usual. Only all the tax money will be paid to other states and Ohio will lose the revenue.
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We have jobs leaving the state, we have people going hungry, we have kids without any kind of medical insurance, we have entire families living in dispair,,, and these MORONS are worried about STRIPPERS?
How out of whack do your priorities have to be to think like this?
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most insiders had pegged this bill for certain passage in the Senate given Senate President Bill Harris' strong support of it
See what happens when we elect car dealers instead of qualified people to be our leaders...
I don't give a tiny rat's bottom about stripclubs, but I cannot understand why a law like this would have any type of priority at all... 
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J/C.... I'm not what you would call a strip club regular, but I have been known to be inside one of these establishments for a special occasion (bachelor parties, friend's b-days). Usually once maybe twice per year tops. I have 2 of these establishments within 1 mile of my house (that I purchased, I do not rent) and quite frankly, I don't mind them there. They bring good money into the neighborhood. I don't notice additional crime and they actually seem to add police presence to my neighborhood, further reducing crime. Seriously, why do our legislatures continue to complain about the lack of sustainable jobs in the state, the falling tax revenue, and the exodus of tax base. All the while promoting our neighbors by sending businesses out of state by restricting them on moral grounds (casinos, strip clubs). This is what the gerrymandered congressional districts continue to wrought on this state. These guys don't ever have to actually worry about answering to the voters of this state, so they don't speak for the people of this state. They do what they want and never address the causes we, the people, actually care about. Sad state politics today. 
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Sheets was the only person to testify for the bill at the hearing. He said the restrictions are needed because of negative "secondary effects" of strip clubs such as high crime rates, declining property values and urban blight. Specifically, he said the 6-foot rule is to protect female strippers from being pawed by patrons and to limit drug transactions between strippers and patrons.
Sheets is a moron who should be banned from life. First, strippers grinding on a guy doesn't cause crime. Second, they don't pass the drugs threw dances. If a girl is dancing for a guy privately, typically half the money goes to the club; the drugs are passed "non-challantly" by the dealer walking by and dropping it in their lap as most guys aren't observant enough to see it-- the money is exchanged later on. This rule will be ignored and then overturned as it's an ignorant rule made by an ignorant moron who is clueless in the world of life. People like this are the same people who go home and watch the movie Braveheart and rave about what a great movie it is.
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First, strippers grinding on a guy doesn't cause crime.
Uhh... paying for sexual favors is a crime. I think that's pretty much a borderline sexual favor...
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You say that like there's something wrong with it .......  lol
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Sheets was the only person to testify for the bill at the hearing. He said the restrictions are needed because of negative "secondary effects" of strip clubs such as high crime rates, declining property values and urban blight. Specifically, he said the 6-foot rule is to protect female strippers from being pawed by patrons and to limit drug transactions between strippers and patrons.
Sheets is a moron who should be banned from life. First, strippers grinding on a guy doesn't cause crime. Second, they don't pass the drugs threw dances. If a girl is dancing for a guy privately, typically half the money goes to the club; the drugs are passed "non-challantly" by the dealer walking by and dropping it in their lap as most guys aren't observant enough to see it-- the money is exchanged later on. This rule will be ignored and then overturned as it's an ignorant rule made by an ignorant moron who is clueless in the world of life. People like this are the same people who go home and watch the movie Braveheart and rave about what a great movie it is.
From a Real Estate perspective...you are wrong here. Strip clubs drasticly hurt the areas they are in and here is why. Commercial businesses don't want to be near them and Residentials don't either. They do hurt property values and the quality of projects/redevelopments that can be done in an area.
Directly do they increase crime? Not really but there is demand-issue at play...when no one wants to be next or near a certain property-land fill, strip clubs, junk yards, ect; properties decrease or don't appreciate that only a certain 'kind' of tenant occupies land/lives which attracts the crime issue.
There are exceptions to the rule but probably for every 1 strip club that isn't in a depressed area, I can give you 20 or 30 that are.
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We have jobs leaving the state, we have people going hungry, we have kids without any kind of medical insurance, we have entire families living in dispair,,, and these MORONS are worried about STRIPPERS?
How out of whack do your priorities have to be to think like this?
now that's what I was wondering!?? ....stupid politicians...all of them 
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Sheets was the only person to testify for the bill at the hearing. He said the restrictions are needed because of negative "secondary effects" of strip clubs such as high crime rates, declining property values and urban blight. Specifically, he said the 6-foot rule is to protect female strippers from being pawed by patrons and to limit drug transactions between strippers and patrons.
Sheets is a moron who should be banned from life. First, strippers grinding on a guy doesn't cause crime. Second, they don't pass the drugs threw dances. If a girl is dancing for a guy privately, typically half the money goes to the club; the drugs are passed "non-challantly" by the dealer walking by and dropping it in their lap as most guys aren't observant enough to see it-- the money is exchanged later on. This rule will be ignored and then overturned as it's an ignorant rule made by an ignorant moron who is clueless in the world of life. People like this are the same people who go home and watch the movie Braveheart and rave about what a great movie it is.
From a Real Estate perspective...you are wrong here. Strip clubs drasticly hurt the areas they are in and here is why. Commercial businesses don't want to be near them and Residentials don't either. They do hurt property values and the quality of projects/redevelopments that can be done in an area.
Directly do they increase crime? Not really but there is demand-issue at play...when no one wants to be next or near a certain property-land fill, strip clubs, junk yards, ect; properties decrease or don't appreciate that only a certain 'kind' of tenant occupies land/lives which attracts the crime issue.
There are exceptions to the rule but probably for every 1 strip club that isn't in a depressed area, I can give you 20 or 30 that are.
This wasn't a petition against a strip club wanting to open so your point doesn't fit this thread (it's a very valid point, but changing the rules does not change the property value).
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Uhh... paying for sexual favors is a crime. I think that's pretty much a borderline sexual favor...
criminal.
Don't matter, it's not a crime. It's always amazing to me - Braveheart is one of the most disturbingly violent movies ever made and it wins an oscar. A girl rubs on a guy who's lonely and everyone gets up in arms over it. Now THAT is sick.
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From a Real Estate perspective...you are wrong here. Strip clubs drasticly hurt the areas they are in and here is why. Commercial businesses don't want to be near them and Residentials don't either. They do hurt property values and the quality of projects/redevelopments that can be done in an area.
that's BS...there's two stripclubs in one of the most heavily used commercial areas of Columbus (Sawmill)...there's also a lot of residential property nearby, and the two communities nearby are two of the more upscale in the city (Dublin and Upper Arlington)...
it may be true for some places, but it ain't a rule...
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Like I said, give me one or two where this isn't the case and I will give you 20-40 where it is the case. I bet if you took a tally of all the topless in Cleveland, far more than half of them would be in 'lower class' neighborhoods.
And Soup it DOES apply to clubs currently open; I see companies ALMOST every day who avoid leasing or buying a building because it is close to a strip club.
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Like I said, give me one or two where this isn't the case and I will give you 20-40 where it is the case. I bet if you took a tally of all the topless in Cleveland, far more than half of them would be in 'lower class' neighborhoods.
And Soup it DOES apply to clubs currently open; I see companies ALMOST every day who avoid leasing or buying a building because it is close to a strip club.
Those are companies that don't know how to schmooze clients.
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Like I said, give me one or two where this isn't the case and I will give you 20-40 where it is the case. I bet if you took a tally of all the topless in Cleveland, far more than half of them would be in 'lower class' neighborhoods.
And Soup it DOES apply to clubs currently open; I see companies ALMOST every day who avoid leasing or buying a building because it is close to a strip club.
When YOU buy a house CLOSE to a strip club,why should YOU have the right to force them out? That's the point! If they're moving INTO your neighborhood,you can petition the zoning commission.
But why in the world do people who moved to WHERE THE STRIP CLUB IS,have a right to in turn blame the strip club for their decision?
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Here's some pretty good quotes Soup "If the human body's obscene, complain to the manufacturer, not to me." "Murder is illegal. But, you take a picture of somebody committing the act of murder and they'll put you on the cover of Newsweek. You might even win a Pulitzer Prize. And yet . . . sex is legal. Everybody's doing it, or everybody wants to be doing it. Yet, you take a picture of two people in the act of sex or just take a picture of a woman's naked body and they'll put you in jail." "The majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper." "Politics is my hobby. Smut is my vocation." "That's 'Mr. Smut Peddler' to you!"  Larry Flynt.............
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Strip joints are very plentiful here in Tampa that is for sure! They are all over the place............just a mile or two from Raymond James Stadium there are at least ten just in that one area. Been years since I walked into one of those places........some of the bigger ones charge a twenty dollar bill just to get in the damn door................through the years of living here................they put the 6 feet rule into effect..........the police enforce it for six months............it goes away (well is ingorned) for awhile and then the cops come in and make arrests like crazy! These places are next to community colleges...............next to fancy resturants...........all over in this crazy town! I do know that once inside these places anything goes............you got the money...............you get what you want..............just like what did they used to call them................whore houses!
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Pit, you are exactly right about people CHOOSING to move into an area.
But that is avoiding what I was saying. Strip clubs, 99% of the time, hurt the real estate value and/or demand of the areas they are in, pure and simple and that was what I was contending.
You are arguing apples and oranges with me.
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Pit, you are exactly right about people CHOOSING to move into an area.
But that is avoiding what I was saying. Strip clubs, 99% of the time, hurt the real estate value and/or demand of the areas they are in, pure and simple and that was what I was contending.
You are arguing apples and oranges with me.
Nope!
But the fact is,every business that IS openned must be in a business district,not a residential neighborhood. They must be approved through the zoning board and apply and recieve a business license.
There ARE procedures to follow. If people don't wish to live in neighborhood that HAS a strip club,don't MOVE there. If you do,don't try make your new home an imposition on people who have done business there for years.
You see,I've seen the effects of what people who use your line of thinking can do to a community. I've seen small towns with average Joe's owning homes and raising families. I've seen these same communities build huge,new expencive homes.
Then,those wealthy people use your logic. They say that the "older part of town is holding property values down".
So what do they do? They make it a "historical district". They pass zoning ordinances that make it virtually impossible to afford to follow these codes for average Joe. Special lighting,paints and wood must be used. No more vinyl siding like the community could use for decades.
So they price people out of town. The same people who helped the town flourish and prosper. The same people who put their kids through school in that community. They have families and roots. But often times I've seen elderly people who are retired,who worked their whole life to build their families and pay for their homes,be treated like second hand citizens because of such thinking. The people with six kids who finaly could afford to get out of the city and their kids in decent schools,are uprooted again because of the greed of others. Instead of those who move to this community having respect for those people and leaving them be? Now,instead,they wish to erradicate their kind from what was once a warm and welcoming community.
As Flynt says ...............................
"The majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper."
You can't let other peoples selfishness infringe on legal business. You can't make a legal business illegal by infringing on the rights of others. You're promoting selfishness as some moral code of conduct. I'm disclaiming that.
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