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one last thing before the thread locks up and starts anew. Before this Draft stuff all started...it was said several times after last years draft that this draft class for QB was going to be a strength...now as it gets closer to draft day - its a weak class. I just think that is kinda odd.
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Part of it is that everyone was expecting Mariota and Petty and perhaps a couple other underclassmen to come out and they decided to stay in college for another year.
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It's not a weak class. Not even close.
This class actually has some guys that will perform well in the NFL.
Watch and see.
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I think that Mariotta, Petty, and Hundley aren't even close to Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles.
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So Mel Kiper has Teddy as the highest rated QB on his board..
But now has Teddy as the 4th QB taken.. in the second round to Houston..
I don't even know how that makes sense.
Kiper is like that guy in the NCAA tournament that fills out 40 sheets then brags about the games he gets correct t and ignores all he misses.
He is all over the place then on draft day points to some nebulous statement form 6 months ago how he had that guy ranked right where he was picked.
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I think all of these guys have been all over the place.
Many posters have explained it better than I can, but it's all about drawing readers in. It's become nonsense.
The sad part is that the ill-informed posters on here take their latest decision as gospel.
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Keep in mind team scouts and GM 's have these guys rated differently than draft pundits,while they're all over the place, the teams know exactly where they rate.
I still like Bridgewater as my #1 QB.
Very methodical and cool under pressure.In fact that's where he stands out..many crush him as being Mr.Checkdown but he beats blitzes by going to the hot read , which he is supposed to do.
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Does he have the frame and the arm to be a franchise QB in the AFC North?
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Can we stop with this "in the AFC North" stuff?
Seriously. Were not this super tough nose run the ball down your throat division anymore.
Cincy is a passing team with a solid run game.
Baltimore has to build around their high priced QB and their defense has lost a lot.
Pitt has also become a passing team that just recently thought about going back to the run.
Even the actual toughest division in football. NFC West has good young passers.
If you can't play in cold weather you will have problems regardless of where you are drafted.
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The offenses has nothing to do with it lol 3 of the top 5 defenses are in the AFC North. NFC west has the other 2 top defenses.
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one last thing before the thread locks up and starts anew. Before this Draft stuff all started...it was said several times after last years draft that this draft class for QB was going to be a strength...now as it gets closer to draft day - its a weak class. I just think that is kinda odd.
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I could be wrong, but I don't remember this being said to be a strong QB class.. I do remember that it was said that overall, this is a much stronger class. But I just don't remember anyone ever saying this was a strong class for QB's specifically..
I could have missed it...
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You missed it.
Now, there are many saying that it is no longer strong, but before the season started..............it was widely pronounced that this was a strong qb class.
I still think it is, despite the naysayers.
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I think that Mariotta, Petty, and Hundley aren't even close to Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles.
Maybe, maybe not.
But all 3 of those guys were considered potential 1st round draft picks at one point. Removing them from the draft significantly weakens the draft. Add in the Mettenberger and Murray injuries and the Qb draft seems a lot weaker. Which addresses the original question.
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Yeah.................sorry, I was just adding my personal opinion on all of that.
I would much rather have the three guys I listed over the one-read qbs that we were talking about.
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one last thing before the thread locks up and starts anew. Before this Draft stuff all started...it was said several times after last years draft that this draft class for QB was going to be a strength...now as it gets closer to draft day - its a weak class. I just think that is kinda odd.
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I could be wrong, but I don't remember this being said to be a strong QB class.. I do remember that it was said that overall, this is a much stronger class. But I just don't remember anyone ever saying this was a strong class for QB's specifically..
I could have missed it...
It MAY have been said before Mariotta & Hundley decided to go back to school. And it became obvious Tahj Boyd wasn't all that . . .
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one last thing before the thread locks up and starts anew. Before this Draft stuff all started...it was said several times after last years draft that this draft class for QB was going to be a strength...now as it gets closer to draft day - its a weak class. I just think that is kinda odd.
jmho
I could be wrong, but I don't remember this being said to be a strong QB class.. I do remember that it was said that overall, this is a much stronger class. But I just don't remember anyone ever saying this was a strong class for QB's specifically..
I could have missed it...
It MAY have been said before Mariotta & Hundley decided to go back to school. And it became obvious Tahj Boyd wasn't all that . . .
Oh boy,, yeah, now I remember,, Mariotta was a guy that seemed to be getting lots of love., you know, I now remember that ...
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Ahh, the days when we expected to win and it wasn't brown colored glasses, we had that good of a team..
that was a time when "any given sunday" had meaning..
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Man those were fun days. We were never out of any game, and no lead was ever safe. lol
As an aside ......... I like the orange we used in those days so much more than the one we use today.
The helmet looked so much better. I hope we go even a little darker orange than that one.
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one last thing before the thread locks up and starts anew. Before this Draft stuff all started...it was said several times after last years draft that this draft class for QB was going to be a strength...now as it gets closer to draft day - its a weak class. I just think that is kinda odd.
jmho
I could be wrong, but I don't remember this being said to be a strong QB class.. I do remember that it was said that overall, this is a much stronger class. But I just don't remember anyone ever saying this was a strong class for QB's specifically..
I could have missed it...
It MAY have been said before Mariotta & Hundley decided to go back to school. And it became obvious Tahj Boyd wasn't all that . . .
Oh boy,, yeah, now I remember,, Mariotta was a guy that seemed to be getting lots of love., you know, I now remember that ...
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's
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I could have missed it... yep...lol 
Not going to search for articles but somethings I remember and those I don't stick in my head - I just totally forget...usually when my wife talks 
Anyways Thought a new Teddy thread would be up - hope this doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
But I've been thinking - the drop, all the good is there, its on film. The drop only cause its something I started to wonder about and worry about. His hands - although not Charlie Frye small but evidently is an issue for him as he wore those gloves throughout College. Then of course the pro day came. I heard two things. Of course the Gloves ( or lack of ) the 2nd an injured wrist. Not bad...but I've been wondering - what if it is that especially for us in late season when you have to win, is that an issue and will he drop because of that. Manziel on the other hand has enormous hands for his height which I do to but I'm much shorter than JM...lol
Well just thought I'd put it out there. People like Kiper and others had Teddy as the #1 QB like a lot of us...Now they got him dropping. Usually that is not from their own insight it is from info they are receiving around the NFL - not from teams in the hunt for QB but others. Like the Colts GM or 49ers, etc. So it might be true that Teddy will drop...I hope right into our arms as a steal???
If not then JM at 4??? We'll see...heck less than 3 weeks???
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So Mel Kiper has Teddy as the highest rated QB on his board..
But now has Teddy as the 4th QB taken.. in the second round to Houston..
I don't even know how that makes sense.
Kiper is like that guy in the NCAA tournament that fills out 40 sheets then brags about the games he gets correct t and ignores all he misses.
He is all over the place then on draft day points to some nebulous statement form 6 months ago how he had that guy ranked right where he was picked.
That sums things up about most of these guys pretty well.
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's either.
If you would have posted this last year, I would have agreed. Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones weren't exactly a gourmet buffet of quarterbacks.
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's either.
If you would have posted this last year, I would have agreed. Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones weren't exactly a gourmet buffet of quarterbacks.
I think that is the problem with this class..There are so many questions about who is the clear cut best, what gets lost is that several are better than almost any other regular year. This class is deep with QBs with high qualities at the position.
Bridgewater and Manziel are the top of the class and both are better imho than RGIII was coming out.
I really don't understand the obsession of some of the other prospects like Mack...Mack isn't even the best LB, let alone one of the top prospects..I simply don't get the infatuation after watching him on film.
The QBs on the other hand have me mesmerized with the possibilities.
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's either.
If you would have posted this last year, I would have agreed. Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones weren't exactly a gourmet buffet of quarterbacks.
I think that is the problem with this class..There are so many questions about who is the clear cut best, what gets lost is that several are better than almost any other regular year. This class is deep with QBs with high qualities at the position.
Bridgewater and Manziel are the top of the class and both are better imho than RGIII was coming out.
I really don't understand the obsession of some of the other prospects like Mack...Mack isn't even the best LB, let alone one of the top prospects..I simply don't get the infatuation after watching him on film.
The QBs on the other hand have me mesmerized with the possibilities.
Mack is the best ILB in the draft. This draft is very weak on ILB's so a team that needs a ILB will take him early.
IMO Bridgewater will be a bust. How does a top QB prospect blowup a scripted proday?
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's either.
If you would have posted this last year, I would have agreed. Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones weren't exactly a gourmet buffet of quarterbacks.
I think that is the problem with this class..There are so many questions about who is the clear cut best, what gets lost is that several are better than almost any other regular year. This class is deep with QBs with high qualities at the position.
Bridgewater and Manziel are the top of the class and both are better imho than RGIII was coming out.
I really don't understand the obsession of some of the other prospects like Mack...Mack isn't even the best LB, let alone one of the top prospects..I simply don't get the infatuation after watching him on film.
The QBs on the other hand have me mesmerized with the possibilities.
Mack is the best ILB in the draft. This draft is very weak on ILB's so a team that needs a ILB will take him early.
IMO Bridgewater will be a bust. How does a top QB prospect blowup a scripted proday?
LMAO, Listen to the talking heads much?
1) Mack has NEVER played ILB, how can you call him the best one in the draft?
2) 100% of his success comes from lining up on the right edge over the LT, he has moved to the left edge and stunted inside to rush and his success is nil.
I can't imagine what anyone is talking about when they say they can move him all over the field, Buffalo did and it didn't work very well...
It makes me wonder if many of you actually watch tape or anything, or just listen to national pundits spew their "news"
Bridgewater missed 2 passes badly out of 65, there were a couple of others that were a little wobbly...The rest were on target and on time...Did you even know that Bortles had a lower completion percentage at his pro day due to bad passes? Obviously not, because you are merely regurgitating what you heard someone on Sports Center tell you...
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I will chime in and say that I feel like this draft class seems to be very mediocre. I would say it's probably the weakest in terms of ...clear cut best QB that we have seen in a number of years with QB's either.
If you would have posted this last year, I would have agreed. Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones weren't exactly a gourmet buffet of quarterbacks.
I think that is the problem with this class..There are so many questions about who is the clear cut best, what gets lost is that several are better than almost any other regular year. This class is deep with QBs with high qualities at the position.
Bridgewater and Manziel are the top of the class and both are better imho than RGIII was coming out.
I really don't understand the obsession of some of the other prospects like Mack...Mack isn't even the best LB, let alone one of the top prospects..I simply don't get the infatuation after watching him on film.
The QBs on the other hand have me mesmerized with the possibilities.
Mack is the best ILB in the draft. This draft is very weak on ILB's so a team that needs a ILB will take him early.
IMO Bridgewater will be a bust. How does a top QB prospect blowup a scripted proday?
LMAO, Listen to the talking heads much?
1) Mack has NEVER played ILB, how can you call him the best one in the draft?
2) 100% of his success comes from lining up on the right edge over the LT, he has moved to the left edge and stunted inside to rush and his success is nil.
I can't imagine what anyone is talking about when they say they can move him all over the field, Buffalo did and it didn't work very well...
It makes me wonder if many of you actually watch tape or anything, or just listen to national pundits spew their "news"
Bridgewater missed 2 passes badly out of 65, there were a couple of others that were a little wobbly...The rest were on target and on time...Did you even know that Bortles had a lower completion percentage at his pro day due to bad passes? Obviously not, because you are merely regurgitating what you heard someone on Sports Center tell you...
I watched Bridgewater's pro day live. It was pretty ugly. I've also seen Mack play ILB creating havoc and making many Int's causing all sorts of distruction while clogging up the middle. Anyways it's just my opinion and I'll stand by it.
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JC: In no way do I think this means they are right, but TONS of these analysts are dropping Bridgewater...like, far down into the first. I know some of these private workouts have allegedly been bad (and of course his pro day), but man, you don't see someone falling down that far so fast.....usually, it's the other way around-- a player starts rising rapidly at this time. Personally, I still have him as the best QB but I'm no guru and also think Bortles could be the better option over the long term. But for those that follow watch the QB position closely, is this just overreaction to all the media stuff or are people just starting to get legit info on what may be concerning to teams? The only real free falls I have seen are during the actual draft (ex. Geno Smith, Aaron Rodgers)...not so much at this time of the year. It just feels kinda weird, I guess. 
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I don't know Irish. I am not a big, big arm guy. I don't think you need that, but I am a big, big spin guy. I think you need to spin the ball, especially in Cleveland, or any other outdoor stadium for that matter.
I don't think Ted gets enough RPM's on his ball. To me, he looks like a guy who is going to throw a lot of floaters that the winds catch..
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I tend to agree with this and other similar comments.
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Mark Dominik: Teddy Bridgewater’s problems go beyond Pro Day Posted by Michael David Smith on April 18, 2014, 5:43 PM EDT Former Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater’s draft stock has appeared to decline dramatically in recent weeks, as a disappointing Pro Day has led to talk that he’s not the potential No. 1 overall pick that he was proclaimed to be during the 2013 season. But one NFL personnel man says that in reality, Bridgewater’s stock was never that high to begin with. Mark Dominik, the former Buccaneers general manager who now serves as an analyst for ESPN, said on NFL Live that he doesn’t believe Bridgewater’s Pro Day is a problem so much as his skinny frame, as well as the fact that Bridgewater didn’t always look like an elite passer on tape. “There were things you saw on tape when you watched him,” Dominik said. “Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he’s a quality individual, he’s got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you’re judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you’re looking for. Dominik indicated that if teams with Top 5 picks like the Texans, Jaguars and Browns are interested in Bridgewater, their interest is in hoping Bridgewater falls all the way out of the first round and is still available early in the second round. That’s a long fall from where most people thought Bridgewater would be drafted. web page
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Does he have the frame and the arm to be a franchise QB in the AFC North?
This what he has to compete in the AFCN.
Smarts and instincts..dude watches film.
He goes through his progressions and knows his hot reads in against the blitz.
Aside from Bernie , the Browns haven't had a QB with that kind of mind.
Next he's methodical and cool under pressure.
He won't force a throw.
His weakness and main one is his accuracy over the deeper routes..
Under that he is extremely accurate.
His weight is no worse than Manziel's .
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The same Dominik that drafted Freeman?
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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In no way do I think this means they are right, but TONS of these analysts are dropping Bridgewater...like, far down into the first.
I know some of these private workouts have allegedly been bad (and of course his pro day), but man, you don't see someone falling down that far so fast.....usually, it's the other way around-- a player starts rising rapidly at this time. Personally, I still have him as the best QB but I'm no guru and also think Bortles could be the better option over the long term.
But for those that follow watch the QB position closely, is this just overreaction to all the media stuff or are people just starting to get legit info on what may be concerning to teams? The only real free falls I have seen are during the actual draft (ex. Geno Smith, Aaron Rodgers)...not so much at this time of the year. It just feels kinda weird, I guess.
As the draft approaches, I think that reality is just now starting to hit these folks. I've never had him very high at all and I think that the more and more people look at his tape, his performances (or lack thereof), the relatively low score on the Wonderlic test and so on, it all begins to add up to some of them.
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Mark Dominik: Teddy Bridgewater’s problems go beyond Pro Day
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 18, 2014, 5:43 PM EDT
Former Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater’s draft stock has appeared to decline dramatically in recent weeks, as a disappointing Pro Day has led to talk that he’s not the potential No. 1 overall pick that he was proclaimed to be during the 2013 season. But one NFL personnel man says that in reality, Bridgewater’s stock was never that high to begin with.
Mark Dominik, the former Buccaneers general manager who now serves as an analyst for ESPN, said on NFL Live that he doesn’t believe Bridgewater’s Pro Day is a problem so much as his skinny frame, as well as the fact that Bridgewater didn’t always look like an elite passer on tape.
“There were things you saw on tape when you watched him,” Dominik said. “Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he’s a quality individual, he’s got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you’re judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you’re looking for.
Dominik indicated that if teams with Top 5 picks like the Texans, Jaguars and Browns are interested in Bridgewater, their interest is in hoping Bridgewater falls all the way out of the first round and is still available early in the second round. That’s a long fall from where most people thought Bridgewater would be drafted.
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Someone needs to tell this guy that he's an idiot and that he needs to watch more tape of Bridgewater.
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I think many people have called him an idiot. Not only did he draft Freeman he traded us a 2nd for Winslow. Granted we took MoMass with that pick, but still.
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