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Do all of your drug stores, churches, doctors and hospitals live outside a 10 mile radius to you? Do you drive? Do you know how long 10 miles is?
Also, if you require something then you should front the cost. That should be common sense in today's government world.
Once every four years and you can't find a ride? Also there are plenty of services out there for disabled/elderly individuals. I build the vehicles that transport them.
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Excuses excuses excuses.
Somehow those people are able to go to the grocery store, right?
If they live so far away from a place to get an i.d. - which they'd need to do once every 4 years...........how do they do they do anything outside of their house? Eat out, get groceries, see a doctor, go to church, go to a drugstore, watch their kid or grandkid in sports, buy clothes.............shoot, how do they even get to a voting place????
No, man, the excuses on this one aren't flying. A state i.d. card is good for 4 years - in Ohio at least - and costs all of $8.50 .
I don't buy this excuse crap other than to say some people don't want mandated i.d. checks at voting places because it would make it tougher to fraudulently vote.
Hey, all the stuff I listed is something these people are somehow able to do about once a week - yet they can't find the time, or $8.50, to get a state issued i.d. card once every 4 years? Trust me, that's just stupid - especially since they can somehow get rides once a year to go to the voting places.
I agree. You can't even buy ClaritinD without an ID. I guess poor people don't have allergies. Maybe those Acorn drivers that pick bums up off the streets to vote should take them to get IDs first. CHS, this might be a good charity for you to start. I'm sure you'd get plenty of conservative donors to get the poor IDs to vote.
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The deal is that Government sanctioned ID's can be hard to come by with the rules needed to acquire it and with the cost.
No, no they're not.
Take you birth certificate and/or SSN card/green card up and get your driver's license/state ID.
All done, and not expensive at all.
If it's not that simple for you, you're doing something wrong.
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Do all of your drug stores, churches, doctors and hospitals live outside a 10 mile radius to you? Do you drive? Do you know how long 10 miles is?
Also, if you require something then you should front the cost. That should be common sense in today's government world.
In ohio, it's $8.50. In Alabama, it's $23.50 for 4 years. http://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/id-cards.php
In Georgia, it's $20 and it's good for 5 years. http://georgiadriverslicenses.org/licens...ampaign=Georgia
Excuses more excuses.................Oh, but in each state, you need to show a birth certificate and proof you are who you say you are. Perhaps that's the hangup???????
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Are you comparing your situation to theirs when saying all of this?
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Are you comparing your situation to theirs when saying all of this?
No. I'm saying the "troubles" people have getting identification are blown out of proportion and stupid lies that some want to cling to, even though proven wrong, in order to somehow justify not identifying themselves when they vote.
Closest place to me to get my drivers license is basically 13-14 miles away. I somehow manage to make it every 4 years. Oh, that's right, I can drive, my bad. My voting station is about 4 miles away - but, that's right, I can drive.
Hey, to register to vote, I had to drive. How is it some people can get out to vote every year, but can't manage to get an i.d.
I've shown, the i.d. isn't that tough to get, and it's not expensive. And further more, for the poor, their are plenty of places that will drive them to the polls, free of charge, in order to vote.
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"Why can't the people who own cars drive?"
That is what you're saying. You're using your experiences and putting them onto people without taking their lives into account. It'd be hysterical if so many people didn't do it.
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"Why can't the people who own cars drive?"
That is what you're saying. You're using your experiences and putting them onto people without taking their lives into account. It'd be hysterical if so many people didn't do it.
 Are you drunk?
Yeah, I'm using my experiences. I'm also NOT using my experiences. A state i.d. card is NOT hard to get, and it is NOT expensive. Boom - your whole theory is blown up. Period. End of discussion. Unless voter fraud is something you are for. If that's the case, I can see why you keep struggling with the facts.
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"Why can't the people who own cars drive?"
OH, by the way, I never said that. But, thanks for playing.
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"Why can't the people who own cars drive?"
That is what you're saying. You're using your experiences and putting them onto people without taking their lives into account. It'd be hysterical if so many people didn't do it.
Why do liberals make excuses about ID's?
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I don't think you read my post saying that it's easy to get. If it was easy to get 10% of the population who doesn't have them, would have them. You haven't actually disproved anything, you just said "excuses" and dismissed the facts. Which, helps rationalize for you, but it doesn't make logical sense.
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what about voting by mail?
No ID verifying those ballots. It has become very popular, particularly in the rural (GOP) areas.
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Sorry, the facts speak for themselves. State i.d.'s are easy to get, and inexpensive to get........and they last for years. You can't argue that.
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No they're not.
No they're not.
Yes they do.
Glad we could agree on one thing. Now it's time for you to agree on the rest.
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No they're not.
No they're not.
Yes they do.
Glad we could agree on one thing. Now it's time for you to agree on the rest.
They ARE easy to get, for citizens of the u.s.
They ARE inexpensive - especially when you consider most of the people that "can't afford them" also have cable, buy groceries, etc etc etc. Sorry man, if you can't swing $8.50 once every 4 years, or $20 once every 5 years..............hey, that's on you.
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Sorry, the facts speak for themselves. State i.d.'s are easy to get, and inexpensive to get........and they last for years. You can't argue that.
I agree with you. For 99% of us, its not hard.
But if they aren't free, then essentially you need money in order to vote. Any person without money would lose their right. I think states would have to make ID's free, or we'd be setting a precedent that puts the dollar before the vote.
What about voting by mail and absentee voting?
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They're easy to get for those who have cars. Not for everyone.
They should be free, if required. But depending on the income they're not affordable to some.
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NAACP requires marchers protesting North Carolina voter ID law TO SHOW PHOTO ID Hypocrites
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NAACP requires marchers protesting North Carolina voter ID law TO SHOW PHOTO ID
Hypocrites
So damn ironic, isn't it? Plus, you have to have an i.d. to buy a gun (legally, that is), have to show i.d. to go to a doctor, or get a prescription................but to show an i.d. when voting? yeah, that's just too much to ask.
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Yeah, I found that really odd and funny. At first I thought they had a reason behind it, but some googling found that they didn't. Just real bizarre stuff.
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I also remember that a Pennsylvania lawmaker said "With this law [Voter ID] Romney will win Pennsylvania."
In other words, without the dead, fake and multi votes, Obama would have lost PA. 
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From 2000 to 2012 there have only been 663 incidents of voter fraud.
Yet during that time span there have probably been 1,000,000 people who have shoplifted but only 100,000 who have been arrested for it 
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What about voting by mail and absentee voting?
Anyone????
We need to take the fight to The Heartland. Make all of these country boys drive to town and show I.D.
In terms of aliens...Texas even allows votes from outer space. They claim its for the astronauts, but we know they want the alien votes. Sorry NASA, get your I.D. and get in line.
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Frankly, I see no reason not to expect a voter to prove his/her identity.
Want to work legally? 2 forms of ID please.
If you go to the hospital, you have to show ID.
Want food stamps? Bring ID.
Cashing a check? Better have ID.
I cannot imagine how a person could live and interact in this country without an ID. However, expect a person to show some, hell, almost any kind of ID, and that is somehow unreasonable, racist, and/or fascist. Ridiculous.
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Frankly, I see no reason not to expect a voter to prove his/her identity.
Want to work legally? 2 forms of ID please.
If you go to the hospital, you have to show ID.
Want food stamps? Bring ID.
Cashing a check? Better have ID.
I cannot imagine how a person could live and interact in this country without an ID. However, expect a person to show some, hell, almost any kind of ID, and that is somehow unreasonable, racist, and/or fascist. Ridiculous.
X 4.
Don't know how it works everywhere, but in Ohio, if you want an absentee ballot, you have to provide an address, a name, and an I.D. - drivers license number, or social security number (at least the last 4 of the ssn), proof of residence, etc.
I think don is grasping at straws. Shoot, my bank asks me for i.d. when I go to a different branch than normal just to deposit money. DEPOSIT money. Can't do anything without an i.d............yet some want you to be able to vote without identifying yourself?
Look, it's already been proven that getting an i.d. is simple, easy, and affordable...........but some still don't want you to have an i.d. to vote?
I wonder why?
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Frankly, I see no reason not to expect a voter to prove his/her identity.
Want to work legally? 2 forms of ID please.
If you go to the hospital, you have to show ID.
Want food stamps? Bring ID.
Cashing a check? Better have ID.
I cannot imagine how a person could live and interact in this country without an ID. However, expect a person to show some, hell, almost any kind of ID, and that is somehow unreasonable, racist, and/or fascist. Ridiculous.
X 4.
Don't know how it works everywhere, but in Ohio, if you want an absentee ballot, you have to provide an address, a name, and an I.D. - drivers license number, or social security number (at least the last 4 of the ssn), proof of residence, etc.
I think don is grasping at straws. Shoot, my bank asks me for i.d. when I go to a different branch than normal just to deposit money. DEPOSIT money. Can't do anything without an i.d............yet some want you to be able to vote without identifying yourself?
Look, it's already been proven that getting an i.d. is simple, easy, and affordable...........but some still don't want you to have an i.d. to vote?
I wonder why?
because both parties use the fraud to gain votes. its retarded, and id cards should absolutely be shown to vote.
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in Ohio, if you want an absentee ballot, you have to provide an address, a name, and an I.D. - drivers license number, or social security number (at least the last 4 of the ssn), proof of residence, etc.
Shoot, my bank asks me for i.d. when I go to a different branch than normal just to deposit money. DEPOSIT money. Can't do anything without an i.d............yet some want you to be able to vote without identifying yourself?
Look, it's already been proven that getting an i.d. is simple, easy, and affordable...........but some still don't want you to have an i.d. to vote?
I wonder why?
I said I'm fine with ID if its free. I want the same standards for all votes and all ballots.
To get a postal ballot, the only ID needed in Ohio is a utility bill.
In FL you need a picture I.D. to vote at the polls. If you vote by mail, again a utility bill is fine. DL# is optional on the ballot.
I bet fraudsters prefer to show up in person and stand in line when they break the law, rather than drop it in a public mailbox at 3 AM
Would your bank let me wire money from your account to Somalia by mailing in a utility bill?
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Look, it's already been proven that getting an i.d. is simple, easy, and affordable
You saying, "excuses" does not disprove the fact that it's not simple, easy or affordable.
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Look, it's already been proven that getting an i.d. is simple, easy, and affordable
You saying, "excuses" does not disprove the fact that it's not simple, easy or affordable.
Well, if what you mean is "they don't come to my house to give it to me for free", I guess you're right.
In Ohio, if somehow managing to save $8.50 over the course of 4 years, and then getting a ride, for free, with proof of being a resident - a legal resident - if that's too tough for you, perhaps you need to re-evaluate some things.
If you can't drive, I guarantee you can call one of probably several state, county, or city gov't. offices and arrange for transportation.
Enough of this "I can't get it, it's too expensive" crap. Check out the list I posted above. It is NOT expensive. And it is NOT hard to get.
Get an i.d. You can't go to the doctor without one. You can't write a check at a drug store or grocery store without one.......why should you be able to vote without one?
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Oh, no, I read it. And I debunked it. Apparently you haven't read my links.
Hey, if someone can't go 10 miles (what was it, 500,000 people?) once every 4-5 years, and spend $8.50 to $23.50 once every 4 to 5 years, is that really a problem? I'll bet many of those people can get out to buy groceries, right?
I'll bet, for those that can't make it, someone would take them to get their i.d. card. Perhaps a county agency, a state agency, a city agency, or even a church. Hey, community organizers thrive on this, don't they?
How do any of these people get social security, or welfare checks, or drugs............how do they function without an i.d.?
Oh, they can't, that's right. But asking to see an i.d. at the voting booth is an intolerable injustice?
Dude, read the links I provided. Getting a state i.d. is easier than you can believe. It's simple. 10 mile rule my ass. If they live 10 miles from a place to get an i.d., they live 10 miles from a place to buy groceries.
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Grocery stores are not located outside of a time mile radius. Think about that. DMV's are not as popular as Grocery stores or pharmacies believe it or not. You clearly have not read the report, because you're trying to argue against maps.  There's one of the images in there so you can actually look at it while you scroll down and continue to Glenn Beck away.
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If it is really that much of an inconvenience to get an ID every 4 or so years it is no wonder our country is such a mess. Talk about lazy, I think that may be next to the definition in the dictionary. Good lord. It astounds me people can even defend this. I seriously have no hope for this country.
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When your DMV is only open on the 5th Wednesday of the month, yes. I'm not opposed to having an honest talk about this -- in fact, I welcome it. However, at the current time it's just trying to make voting hard for people who vote Democrat.
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Give it up dude. From your link, which I HAVE read - and it sounds like excuse making really: "V     k      k  p. A     k ,          pp  —       — q  pp  p ID.
Hey.....they may may have to miss work to get a state i.d. card?????? How in the hell are they working if they DON'T have i.d. ??????
Answer? If they are working without a driver's license or a state i.d. - well, you do the math.
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Eh, that didn't work.
Let me type it out for you.
"Voters may have to miss work, or arrange for childcare to make the trip. And even if they can make it there they may not be able to afford the costly supporting documents, such as birth certificates or marriage licenses."
What a bunch of bull!!!!!
Again - once every 4-5 years? $8.50 to $23.50, once every 4-5 years? And "they may have to arrange for child care? "
What the hell is going on in this country?
If they can get to work, they certainly can find a way to get an i.d., can't they? Especially since an i.d. is required to work!
I've read your little link. I don't think YOU have read it.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
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Ah.....that little tidbit is enlightening.. It came from you, not me.
So, those that tend to vote democrat........wait, I thought it was too tough for them to vote - it cost too much to get an i.d...............dude, you're spinning in circles chasing your own tail, and it shows.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
Hell yeah, I'm all for free state i.d's. That way, I won't have to pay the $30 bucks or so for my drivers license. After all, I have to have it, right? Let someone else pay for it.
Also, these people that don't have cars? Well, they don't pay insurance on cars - and that damn well isn't fair that I have to pay insurance and they don't. So, insurance should be free also - or, at least make someone else pay for it.
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