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Found this on Yahoo
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The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is one of our nation's finest universities, ranking 30th in the latest U.S. News and World Report list of top schools and eighth on Forbes' list of top public colleges. And the bit of drivel above apparently earned an A-minus, according to ESPN.

Why? Simple. That paper was written by an athlete for a class specifically designed to keep them moving through the university.

"Athletes couldn't write a paper," Mary Willingham, a specialist in the school's learning-support system-turned-whistleblower, told ESPN. "They couldn't write a paragraph. They couldn't write a sentence yet." She said that some of the students were reading at a second- or third-grade level, which is considered illiterate for a college-age student. As Willingham notes, in the "AFAM" classes, players were notching As and Bs, but in actual classes such as Biology and Economics were receiving Ds and Fs.

The academic scandal at UNC has deep roots; hundreds of classes since the mid-1990s fell into a "no-show" category, classes made up primarily or completely of athletes who didn't even show up to class and yet earned an A. Such dry statistics generally receive a disbelieving shake of the head, but it's not until you actually see what kind of work these "students" were producing that you start to see the way a "student-athlete," and an athletic department, can game the system:


That paper doesn't even make it six words before its first error (the actual date of Rosa Parks' bus incident was Dec. 1, 1955), and the rest of the paper would make a fourth-grade Language Arts teacher burn through two red pens.

One of the key arguments of the NCAA and its defenders, or those opposed to paying players, is that the players are "receiving a valuable education." Giving an A-minus to a paper like this shows how false that premise can be.

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So I found this on Yahoo and of course it made me furious.

Last season UConn was banned from postseason play by the NCAA because of crappy academic scores from a couple years before. The new academic standards were put in place, yet held schools accountable for grades two years before the new standards were implemented.

And I always wondered how other basketball factories weren't dealing with this same problem. Well here it is. UNC, with their fake college majors for the basketball/football players, and accepting a paper like this one as an A-.

I taught freshman social studies, and if I was handed this as a "final paper", it would probably have gotten a D. That's 9th graders. I'd probably ask the student to work on it some more, may be even with me after class if they wanted. But this shows either A) Complete lack of effort or B) someone that has been pushed by in school systems, and continues to get pushed by through UNC. Chances are it's actually C) All of the above

It makes me sick that the NCAA would ban UConn's postseason last year, yet they have done absolutely nothing to UNC for their academic scandals. They were supposed to do an investigation into this with UNC, when they made up majors exclusively for their basketball/football players. Obviously it didn't work.

But don't worry folks, there won't be any action taken on this one. Why? Because UNC is a money making powerhouse for the NCAA. Even if their teams haven't been particularly good lately. The hypocrisy makes me sick. It's a business for the NCAA. They don't care about the "student" part in student athlete. And, if that's the case, screwem, more power to Northwestern Univ kids


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Lots of these athletes shouldn't be in college. Just pay them as a school employee, and call it a day. They're there to play sports anyhow.

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Lots of these athletes shouldn't be in college. Just pay them as a school employee, and call it a day. They're there to play sports anyhow.




Agreed. But don't punish the UConn Men's Basketball team while standing by, turning a blind eye to what's going on at UNC.

The rules are made for everyone. Even playing ground. Shame on the NCAA. Enforce them on everyone, not just one team.


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The NCAA being incredibly corrupt is nothing new.

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Lots of these athletes shouldn't be in college. Just pay them as a school employee, and call it a day. They're there to play sports anyhow.




I disagree. College athletics are one of the few driving forces behind these kids actually wanting to learn. They may only want to learn the minimum, which is why you need to make the minimum enough to actually help them.

That is why this UNC case is so grating to me. I think it's great that the NCAA put some teeth behind the academic reform w/ UConn (though I am not a huge fan of the particulars of how they determine the scores). But, this UNC academic scandal destroys any semblence of help.

Make real academic standards. They can be a bit lower than the general population of a school, that doesn't bother me, but they need to be real. If they don't hit them, then the coaches will strongly encourage these kids to go to JC to get their academics up (as they want the player). Some of these kids will be motivated to actually do it (not all of course).


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But don't punish the UConn Men's Basketball team




It went on for a decade at UCONN and you got a 1 year postseason ban.

I'd say you should be happy with that.



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But don't punish the UConn Men's Basketball team




It went on for a decade at UCONN and you got a 1 year postseason ban.

I'd say you should be happy with that.




I am not taking sides either way between the NC vs UCONN debate, but Petey youre coming across as someone with sour grapes.

The bigger issue is that this is being allowed to go on at all, not that one school got more punishment for it than another.

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But don't punish the UConn Men's Basketball team




It went on for a decade at UCONN and you got a 1 year postseason ban.

I'd say you should be happy with that.




What went on for a decade? Crappy academics? From what I remember, the NCAA changed the standard they held schools to, and they held old scores accountable to their new standard. How is that fair? How the heck were we supposed to know that the required APR scores were going to rise, and they would count scores from all those years before increasing the standard.

The mathematics aren't hard. You count future years to future standard, and past years to the past standard........


It's not like the NCAA punished UConn for 10 years of bad academics. There was four years of crapy academics, academics that were improving, and they came up with a new APR requirement and held the years before that requirement was made as the law, or whatever you want to call it.


UNC just blatantly gives their athletes BS grades. If we get punished for bad academics, they should get punished for BS academics. UNC's supposed to be number 30 on the top National Universities in the USA. (Link
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...hapel-hill-2974 )
And that's called an A- paper. That's ridiculous. These players must be going to a different college. That requires punishment. Just like UConn's. Maybe if we graded papers like this, we never would have had a bad APR. Post-season ban for them


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I will be very careful of what I say, because it could severely affect my career, and my future career plans, but as someone who has seen what she is talking about, I would agree she is spot on in many instances, but I will also say that the resources made available to athletes has had a very positive effect on many who would never have been able to get through college without it. The only problem is there is a fine line, and sometimes that line is crossed in the name of winning, and money.

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What does the NCAA have to do with a school choosing to allow players to get by on nothing?

The NCAA didn't tell UNC or UCONN to basically give their players a free pass. Those schools chose to do it..


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What does the NCAA have to do with a school choosing to allow players to get by on nothing?

The NCAA didn't tell UNC or UCONN to basically give their players a free pass. Those schools chose to do it..









I agree with many, maybe it's time to tear down the facade and have schools maybe start Life Skills diplomas. Just your bacis skills to keep the players who can't pass legit cirriculum and offer a degree to them that won't be worth much to the player once they get out of school, but does keep them in school and on the football/basketball teams. That way everybody knows the guy or gal is there to play a sport and aren't getting A's in courses legit students are having to work hard to pull a high C or B.


Maybe allow those schools to offer Associate Degrees over a 4 year timeframe.....just thinking out loud at this point.


It's a shame parents allowed their child to read at a 2nd grade level.


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What does the NCAA have to do with a school choosing to allow players to get by on nothing?

The NCAA didn't tell UNC or UCONN to basically give their players a free pass. Those schools chose to do it..




Fair enough, but UCONN got punished for academics and UNC isn't getting punished. That's been my complaint. Had we created BS curriculum and given our players BS grades, we never would have been banned from the tourney.

If the NCAA wants to do something about the academics, do something across the board, don't just attack UConn while giving UNC a free pass


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