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Just heard on NFL radio they were talking about his gang affiliations and some story that came out today about it. Nice timing... Gang Story Link
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
No surprise - he might get a one year Show me contract if nobody gobbles him up with some Moola n years on a contract. Which not sure anyone is going to do.
We'll know by mid week. If not gone he'll either wait till after the draft or sign a one year contract with a contender.
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
Teams that don't think they can get you once you're a free agent?
I am weary about a "gotta get this guy" - there is something going on here that we are not publicly aware of -- otherwise, he should have been tradeable for something.
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
Teams that don't think they can get you once you're a free agent?
I am weary about a "gotta get this guy" - there is something going on here that we are not publicly aware of -- otherwise, he should have been tradeable for something.
Agreed, I'd love to say "Go get this guy!" He's exactly the type of player that we need. But I'm weary, why would Philly release someone with his talent? He takes the top off the defense and is a darn good receiver either way. I'd probably rather have Sammy Watkins than him (cheaper for the first 5 years, and will be a better all around player), but DeSean wouldn't cost us a 1st round pick
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No thanks. From the reports the Eagles released him because of off the field stuff and rumored gang affiliation. With Gordon one tiny infraction away from a years suspension, we can ill afford bringing in a guy with such an attitude. I much prefer drafting a kid with a clean record instead of bringing in a disruptive voice in the wide receiver room. This guy is a much better fit in New England or even Kansas City where he'd reunite with Andy Reed. He doesn't fit here yet. One day, when our system has been in place for a long time and we have strong voices in our locker room, perhaps we can afford to take a chance on a guy like this. Not now though.
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
If you're a team who doesn't attract these types of players, why wouldn't you?
If you're the Eagles and you're going to "trade or release him", they likely would haven taken a very late (6th) round pick for him just to get something.
If we wanted Desean Jackson, we're not luring him here via free agency. Give up a 6th and forget about trying.
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
No surprise - he might get a one year Show me contract if nobody gobbles him up with some Moola n years on a contract. Which not sure anyone is going to do.
We'll know by mid week. If not gone he'll either wait till after the draft or sign a one year contract with a contender.
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In the case of Revis, we tried trading for him knowing if they couldn't trade him they would cut him. Because we knew he'd never sign here as a free agent.
Teams like the Browns have to make trades for players on the cutting list because we aren't an attractive destination for free agents. Hopefully, the new regime will eventually change that perception.
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His relationship with the Eagles has been strained for a little while now. Would not surprise me if the "leak" about gang affiliations came from them.
Now, as for not being traded, it is possible that his well known locker room issues made it to where no one would want to trade even a 6th or 7th rounder for the guy at his then over 10 million dollar price tag.
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I've not kept up with him.. I always thought he was a helluva player, what's the problem? Why would Philly cut him loose?
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The Bengals have been rehabilitation experts recently. I imagine if anyone is willing to pick him up it will be them. Green and Jackson would be horrific to cover.
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Now a floodgate of teams will likely be interested... we better be one of those teams.
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He and Gordon will be leathal. we need the weapons to keep our future QB healthy.
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and luk....
Part of the trade thing almost ALWAYS has a contract deal to be done. If he doesn't want to come here - implied on why to trade.
1. He will not negotiate a contract and it would be usually a one year thing n then he would hit FA - why give up a draft pick then.
2. If his agents advises you - don't trade for my client as he does not want to go there. You really want this problem child on your team not wanting to be here. Making himself a pain so he will be released.
I'm sure there are exceptions but I'm not sure this would be one of them.
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The end of the Jackson saga comes in the wake of a Friday morning NJ.com report claiming the Eagles have "serious concerns" about the wide receiver's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members tied to a pair of homicides.
The same report also questioned Jackson's attitude, work ethic, chemistry with coach Chip Kelly and penchant for missing team meetings to hang out with friends.
That's rather scary. He's a talent, but he also seems to have major concerns.
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I've not kept up with him.. I always thought he was a helluva player, what's the problem? Why would Philly cut him loose?
Never mind, I read the story,, dang,, Gang affiliations. too bad him and Gordon would have been tough to stop..
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The end of the Jackson saga comes in the wake of a Friday morning NJ.com report claiming the Eagles have "serious concerns" about the wide receiver's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members tied to a pair of homicides.
The same report also questioned Jackson's attitude, work ethic, chemistry with coach Chip Kelly and penchant for missing team meetings to hang out with friends.
That's rather scary. He's a talent, but he also seems to have major concerns.
No thanks, too many good wideouts in the draft.
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Part of the trade thing almost ALWAYS has a contract deal to be done. If he doesn't want to come here - implied on why to trade.
1. He will not negotiate a contract and it would be usually a one year thing n then he would hit FA - why give up a draft pick then.
2. If his agents advises you - don't trade for my client as he does not want to go there. You really want this problem child on your team not wanting to be here. Making himself a pain so he will be released.
I'm sure there are exceptions but I'm not sure this would be one of them.
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Schaub and Sproles would be recent exceptions. I think we did the same with Colt McCoy. Probably tried with Weeden.
Another bonus is you can also keep him away from your Division and Conference Rivals if you trade for him. I'd hate to see us miss a guy b/c we were trying to save a 7th round pick, then have him end up in Pittsburgh.
But if the contract is too steep and the player doesn't want to rework, that can always be a deal-breaker.
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nice unintentionally ironic post. at least i think it was.
bringing in jackson will be lethal, it will give us weapons.
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so rumored gang relations is enough to deter you guys? he's been in the league for six seasons, and hasn't been arrested, and the only reason the rumor is there is because of where he's from. questionable work ethic?
the guy averages a 1000 yard season. if thats "questionable"..then i dunno what good work ethic is.
thats dumb. richard sherman is from a rough hood as well...oh yea..some people on this board love calling him a thug...
sorry but i'm tired of winning the "good guy" award in cleveland. we have nice guys. even though when we had 2 divas, we ended up with the best record since 99. odd huh? i want some players with attitude. that dude is a baller.
man i hope the browns try to pick this guy up. talk about a nasty talent. pair him up with Gordon, cameron at TE and hawkins in the slot? straight up sick.
don't even need to entertain sammy watkins anymore. grab teddy and don't look back.
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So he grew up in Southern California and is friends with people that are in gangs? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked.
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nice unintentionally ironic post. at least i think it was.
bringing in jackson will be lethal, it will give us weapons.
u know what. i didnt notice that it came out like that lol. that was unintentional tho.
with these new allegations...im not so sure now. Gordon is doing good with stayin out of trouble and we dont need somebody who can potentially change that.
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I'd take Aaron Hernanzez if he helps us win.
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Do you really think Philly is dumb enough to cut him for just being friends with people? The reported criminal activity at a property he owns sounds a lot like the first few reports on Vick. I'm not saying it's going to turn out like Vick, but if Philly is willing to cut him there is more to it than friends.
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The end of the Jackson saga comes in the wake of a Friday morning NJ.com report claiming the Eagles have "serious concerns" about the wide receiver's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members tied to a pair of homicides.
The same report also questioned Jackson's attitude, work ethic, chemistry with coach Chip Kelly and penchant for missing team meetings to hang out with friends.
That's rather scary. He's a talent, but he also seems to have major concerns.
I realize we haven't seen anything from Pettine or witnessed his style of coaching, but I have this impression that he is not the type of guy who is going to take any type of misconduct from a player who is not all in with "the program".
I just don't believe Jackson is the type of player who will fit into a Pettine style of coaching.
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rumored gang relations involving a murder.....
Visions of the Hernandez debacle, anyone?
Nobody releases a player of his caliber lightly. I'm pretty sure that he isn't going to be a bargain - at any price.
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i'm from the hood in cleveland. i know gang members, some nasty ones.
should that stop me from getting a job?
you're knocking a guy because he knows gang members. half the people on this board knows gang members. and i'm sure you'd be pissed if your job fired you because of a rumor.
innocent until proven guilty. remember?
but i'm starting to think that the reality in this country is completely opposite. the moment theres a rumor, NOPE! that guy is guilty, he's a thug! he hasn't been arrested, he hasn't gotten into trouble, hell, the most problems he causes is being a typical diva superstar WR.
but nah, the rumor must be true. grew up in southern cal and black? you have to go out of your way to NOT know any gang members.
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If a company chooses to not employ you due to the company you keep, that is within their right.
And "innocent until proven guilty" has never applied to the court of public opinion -- Never will.
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Like someone else mentioned, you don't cut a guy just because, I think this thing runs deeper than what were hearing now
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If a company chooses to not employ you due to the company you keep, that is within their right.
And "innocent until proven guilty" has never applied to the court of public opinion -- Never will.
you're right about the company. that doesn't make it any less stupid.
my problem is people are so quick to judge. its crazy.
on a football note, i'm going to be highly pissed if we have a legitimate shot at him, but we decide not to pull the trigger, and he goes to another team in the AFC north and we have to see him twice a year.
every team has a good to elite WR1 in our division.
AJ green in cincy, torrey smith in baltimore, and antonio brown in pittsburgh. i dunno about you guys, but i'd like to be the team once in a while that has the best Tandem at a position in the division at the very least.
moral victories and good guys isn't gonna win us 10 games and fighting for a playoff spot.
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i'm from the hood in cleveland. i know gang members, some nasty ones.
should that stop me from getting a job?
you're knocking a guy because he knows gang members. half the people on this board knows gang members. and i'm sure you'd be pissed if your job fired you because of a rumor.
innocent until proven guilty. remember?
but i'm starting to think that the reality in this country is completely opposite. the moment theres a rumor, NOPE! that guy is guilty, he's a thug! he hasn't been arrested, he hasn't gotten into trouble, hell, the most problems he causes is being a typical diva superstar WR.
but nah, the rumor must be true. grew up in southern cal and black? you have to go out of your way to NOT know any gang members.
Swish, it's a risk vs reward kinda thing. Nobody (at least I don't think so) is going to invest millions of dollars in you. You aren't in the public eye like Djax will be.. Comparing yourself to him probably isn't fit really.
But that aside, do you want a guy that can't seem find a way to not fraternize with gang members? Ones that are suspected of a murder.
He's in Philly now, he's thousands of miles away from LA. He should be able to stay clear.
I don't wanna take a chance on him if I'm the Browns.
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i'm from the hood in cleveland. i know gang members, some nasty ones.
should that stop me from getting a job?
you're knocking a guy because he knows gang members. half the people on this board knows gang members. and i'm sure you'd be pissed if your job fired you because of a rumor.
innocent until proven guilty. remember?
but i'm starting to think that the reality in this country is completely opposite. the moment theres a rumor, NOPE! that guy is guilty, he's a thug! he hasn't been arrested, he hasn't gotten into trouble, hell, the most problems he causes is being a typical diva superstar WR.
but nah, the rumor must be true. grew up in southern cal and black? you have to go out of your way to NOT know any gang members.
Swish, it's a risk vs reward kinda thing. Nobody (at least I don't think so) is going to invest millions of dollars in you. You aren't in the public eye like Djax will be.. Comparing yourself to him probably isn't fit really.
But that aside, do you want a guy that can't seem find a way to not fraternize with gang members? Ones that are suspected of a murder.
He's in Philly now, he's thousands of miles away from LA. He should be able to stay clear.
I don't wanna take a chance on him if I'm the Browns.
i totally get that daman. i can't relate to him as far as job comparisons and spot light.
but the guy has been around gang members all his life. he makes millions of dollars.
six seasons, not one arrest. no trouble with the law except for being an ass hole. for somebody to be THAT associated with a gang, he surely would've pulled a adam jones or mike vick by now.
but he hasn't. there's a difference between knowing gangster and doing gang activities. some people need to remember that.
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i can tell. some of these guys who are against this are the same ones who wanted to trade Josh gordon away.
moral victories over talent. thats gonna get us to the playoffs 
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And "innocent until proven guilty" has never applied to the court of public opinion -- Never will.
you're right about the company. that doesn't make it any less stupid.
my problem is people are so quick to judge. its crazy.
on a football note, i'm going to be highly pissed if we have a legitimate shot at him, but we decide not to pull the trigger, and he goes to another team in the AFC north and we have to see him twice a year.
every team has a good to elite WR1 in our division.
AJ green in cincy, torrey smith in baltimore, and antonio brown in pittsburgh. i dunno about you guys, but i'd like to be the team once in a while that has the best Tandem at a position in the division at the very least.
moral victories and good guys isn't gonna win us 10 games and fighting for a playoff spot.
You do realize Gordon is one TINY infraction away from a years suspension? And you want to bring this guy in to the WR room? We don't need to bring distractions and bad influences into the WR group.. We need to surround Gordon with GOOD examples of professional conduct. Positive role models for him to emulate. If we didn't already have a problem child on the team, then yes I wouldn't mind taking a gamble on this one. Unfortunately, at this point we just can't take the chance on a disruptive voice in our locker room.
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Are you associated with gang members connected to a murder, and does your prospective employer know of this?
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