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Usually when something like this happens the team knows way more than the rest of us. Look for something bad to come out soon.

because we done such an epic job of doing that already right?

you guys keep saying we need positive examples of professionals. bess was suppose to be that....that went well.

you know who's a positive influence on players? GOOD ones, ELITE ones. winners. you and others keep saying he's a distraction, but desean will have a fresh start at whatever team he goes too.

Gordo is a grown man, he didn't pop hot during the season with bob marley on the team, but now we worried he's going to go from smoking green to robbing people because of a rumor from a guy whos never been in trouble?


we signed a Safety that called himself Hitner, yea, thats crazy positive, right?

i need to calm down about it, its really not that serious, but man, it hits home when people are so quick to judge based off of rumors and where a person is from. the man has done nothing remotely close to criminal activity.

I live in the suburbs of L.A. In high school I was "affiliated" with people who were in gangs (where I live it is all Crips, go ten minutes west to Pasadena and it is all Bloods). By "affiliated" I mean that I was friends with people who were in gangs. That doesn't mean you are in a gang or even participate in any gang activity.

DeSean Jackson has literally done nothing off the field that compromises his on field performance.

Jackson has even gone on "The View" to support a kid that was bullied and has supported an Anti-Bullying campaign (Link).

I would sign Jackson right now, no problem. We could probably even get him on the cheap because of the stories out there right now.

j/c

Dear GM,

For the love of all that is holy, please get me a receiver.

Sincerely,

Cam Newton

jc

What do people think the odds of him coming here would be? How 'bout zero... Pro-bowl head cases don't go to teams like the Browns, they go to teams like the Patriots. A team like the Pats will sit him down, read him his rights and let him know that he would be on a short leash. If the Browns FO did that he would stick a finger in their faces. THEY can afford to play the risk/reward game, WE cannot. They can explain that he is in a dangerous position and how lucky he would be to land on his feet there (and they would be very accurate). When they do that, he will scare himself into believing it's true and sign on the dotted line. If we tried that approach he would laugh in our faces. Generally players like this go to a team that doesn't need them as much as he needs the team. If the situation blows up in NE its "oh well, we tried"... If it blows up in Cleveland its "OMG, what a disaster, what the hell were we thinking???" Besides that, there are leaders on other teams that are cemented in stone, ours aren't yet set in paper mache, can you really allow something that shows all the signs of toxicity to permeate your team/ locker room?

DJ is a superstar on the field. You can say they are just "rumors" but they've been going on for years. A team knocking on the door of "contender" would never release a player of this caliper without a little more substance than we might read in a twitter feed.

Sign him to a contract with low guarantees and an out if he gets into any trouble.

Fine. Lets sign him to a big contract, ALL guaranteed money. On one condition. He bunks with Gordon in Camp. I want those two attached at the hip. Since Jackson is such a fine upstanding individual I want his attitude and work ethic rubbing off on Gordon. The more asshats in our locker room the better. We could be the new Bungles.

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At 3-5, the Philadelphia Eagles' lofty Super Bowl expectations are very close to going up in smoke. A microcosm of their problems has been wide receiver DeSean Jackson who has performed well below the level many thought he would.

Now, after showing up late to a team meeting on Saturday, Jackson will be deactivated by head coach Andy Reid for Sunday's game against the Arizona Cardinals. Despite Jackson's struggles he is still a big part of Philadelphia's offense and his presence will be missed

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There's no doubt that the guy is talented. And because of that he's not going to come to a team like the Browns and on the cheap, So those of you who think the Browns are going to get him for cheap are delusional.

He's got 'Raiders' written all over him.

Just say 'No'.

We remain the Browns Faithful. What could possibly go wrong? Let's tempt Fate and trust to our lock.

j/c

the big question is "why did Philly just cut him? and, why did they do it now?"

the now part is what is bugging me. it doesn't help them today more than 2 weeks ago when it would have been more beneficial for him (start of FA like we did for DQ). that gives the organization some good will among players that they will do right by them.

so, what was the trigger point? why did they cut him now? why did they cut him at all? whoever signs him better hope that they get the real answers to those questions.

all that being said, he will likely have multiple offers and I highly doubt he would choose us even if we are one of them. so, nothing for us to discuss firmly here.

lets wait in see if handcuffs is not in his near future, am thinking the eagles are trying to get away from him before they arrest him. For something there more to this story am sure of that wait in see if there more to come

Potential Landing Spot for Jackson. Glad to see Cleveland isn't one of those locations....


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We first heard the Eagles were ready to move on from DeSean Jackson on March 18. At the time, many wondered why the Philadelphia Eagles would be willing to give up on him for only a mid-round pick.

It turned out that the Eagles couldn't get anything for him. Philadelphia's release of Jackson Friday was a surprise because of the timing, but perhaps it shouldn't be. Eagles general manager Howie Roseman and coach Chip Kelly had four days in Orlando at the NFL Annual Meeting to test the market. Jackson's salary ($10.5 million) and off-field issues made him untradeable.


That doesn't mean he'll be lacking for suitors as a free agent. Jackson is coming off the best season (1,332 yards) of his career and has breathtaking speed. His attitude and off-field connections will be investigated, but he's never had a problem with the law in his career. Plenty of less talented players with bigger concerns have big contracts in the NFL. Talent wins out.

Jackson might not be a classic No. 1 receiver, but he's undoubtedly one of the best deep threats in the league. He'll get a solid deal, even if it doesn't equate to $10.5 million in 2014. Here are some sensible landing spots:

1. Oakland Raiders: At 27, Jackson would be much younger than most of the free agents that general manager Reggie McKenzie has signed this offseason. The Raiders need explosive playmakers and have salary cap room to burn. Jackson went to nearby Cal. Most importantly, Oakland is the team most likely to give the type of contract Jackson will desire.

2. New York Jets: The Jets shouldn't stop with Eric Decker. They were tied closely to Tavon Austin in last year's draft and have been tied to other similar speed merchants in this year's crop. Owner Woody Johnson sounded intrigued about Jackson in Orlando, Fla., at the NFL Annual Meeting, although it doesn't sound like a move that general manager John Idzik would make. Jackson would qualify as an aggressive bid to change their passing game.


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3. San Francisco 49ers: They 49ers were tied to Jackson by multiple reports. They inquired with Philadelphia about Jackson in a trade, but there weren't interested at Jackson's price, according to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport.

Now the 49ers don't have to give up anything in a potential trade. They desperately need some speed at wide receiver. Their salary cap situation is a concern, but this is a front office not afraid to make bold moves.

4. Kansas City Chiefs: Salary cap room is the major problem here, but Jackson would fit on the team perfectly. Andy Reid knows Jackson's strengths and weaknesses. Kansas City needs receivers after losing out on the Emmanuel Sanders sweepstakes.

"I have nothing but good things to say about the kid," Reid said this week. "I did draft him. I had a great relationship with him. when his father passed away, that was a hard thing for him to go through at a young age. They were best friends.

"I've experienced life things with him. He was great for me when I was there."

If the Chiefs could make the money work, this makes a lot of sense.

Long shots

5. New England Patriots: CSN Philly reported that the Patriots inquired about Jackson. Then again, as Rapoport points out, the Patriots inquire about everyone. They are a "due diligence" type of team.

The Patriots aren't afraid to take big swings, but the reports of Jackson's off-field associates should scare them away. It's also a crowded position in New England with Danny Amendola still around.

6 & 7. San Diego Chargers and Seattle Seahawks: We're throwing these long shots into the mix because Jackson would fit both offenses well. The Chargers are one wide receiver away from an extremely dangerous offense. The Seahawks, tied loosely to Jackson in one national report, crave big plays and have a surprising amount of cap room. Perhaps Jackson would be willing to rehabilitate his value on a winner.

8. Carolina Panthers: We initially hesitated to even mention the Panthers because the Charlotte Observer reported last week that they wouldn't be interested. Their cap issues seem too severe.

Still, coach Ron Rivera indicated on Friday that the Panthers would have some interest. His vertical speed would fit well with Cam Newton's big arm.

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so, what was the trigger point? why did they cut him now? why did they cut him at all? whoever signs him better hope that they get the real answers to those questions.

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These are successful people (NFL offices, coaching staffs, management).

One thing I try to do (and I've noticed that people who impress me do this) is when making a decision about anything, having a reason for what I do. When I'm at my work, loading/unloading 175,000 barrels of petroleum product, and I go turn a valve, turn on a pump, whatever it is that i'm doing, I try to have a reason.

I assume there has to be an answer to why the Eagles are cutting him now. That's what I'd want to know before signing him

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'DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles'

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html

By Eliot Shorr-Parks & A.J. Perez/NJ.com
on March 28, 2014 at 12:05 PM, updated March 28, 2014 at 4:49 PM

NOTE: This story has been updated from its original version that was published shortly before the Eagles released DeSean Jackson.

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PHILADELPHIA -- Over the past several weeks, the Philadelphia Eagles reportedly had shopped wide receiver DeSean Jackson.

On its face, the decision to trade one of the NFL's most talented players seemed curious: At 27, Jackson is coming off one of the best seasons of his career -- 82 catches for 1,332 yards and nine touchdowns. Plus, he's a playmaker who could have been expected to thrive for seasons to come in head coach Chip Kelly's fast-paced offense.

Yet the Eagles' apparent decision to jettison Jackson likely had little to do with his performance on the field or a big-money contract that was slightly squeezing the team's salary cap.

Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it originally was Jackson's off-field behavior that concerned the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly were the original reasons for his fall from grace, sources told NJ.com.

And when the Eagles looked more deeply into why Jackson was missing meetings, they found that his friends were becoming a more powerful -- and negative -- influence in his life.

Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010.

STATEMENT: JACKSON SAYS HE'S NEVER BEEN A GANG MEMBER

Ever since New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was arrested and charged with first-degree murder last summer, NFL franchises have been reevaluating how closely they needed to watch their players away from the field. And what Eagles executives saw in Jackson, a six-year veteran, was apparently a potential blight on the brand and a bad influence in the locker room.

Before Jackson was released, a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: "They are concerned about having him around the younger players."

THE FIRST SIGNS

DeSean Jackson was nowhere near the scene of the crime when, on Dec. 29, 2010, 14-year-old Taburi Watson flashed a rival gang sign at two men as he rode his bicycle through South Los Angeles.

The men, reportedly members of the Crips, responded to the teen's provocative gesture by shooting him multiple times, police said. Paramedics pronounced Watson dead at the scene.

"DeSean Jackson was not part of the case," Jane Robison, a spokesman for the LA District Attorney's Office, told NJ.com. "He was not a charged defendant. He was not a witness."

Jackson was, however, associated with Theron Shakir, one of the two men charged with the murder. Along with co-defendant Marques Binns, Shakir is a purported member of the Crips. In addition, Shakir, known as "T-Ron," is a rapper who recorded for Jaccpot Records, a label owned by Jackson. The two were close enough that they appear together frequently in photographs -- including pictures posted by Jackson to Instagram while Shakir sat in jail awaiting trial for the teen's execution.

The caption? "Free Trezzy #Real1 #Jaccpot"

Acting on unspecified information that Jackson might have knowledge of Shakir's activities on the night of Watson's murder, LAPD detective Eric Crosson said he interviewed Jackson on the phone in late 2011. Crosson wouldn't reveal details of that conversation, but he described Jackson as "cooperative at the time."

Crosson also told NJ.com that he reached out to the Eagles by phone in early 2011 -- even before he interviewed Jackson -- as a courtesy to alert them to Jackson’s connection to an alleged killer. He never received a response from the team, he said.

The following year, the Eagles signed Jackson to a five-year, $48.5 million contract extension.

When contacted by NJ.com on Wednesday, the Eagles issued a statement that they had "no comment at this time," and team officials would neither confirm nor deny whether anyone in the front office had spoken to Crosson about Jackson’s ties to a homicide suspect. On Thursday, a source in the organization said current front-office members had been unaware of Jackson's links to an alleged killer.

Shakir, who was, in fact, acquitted of Watson's murder and a related gun charge in January 2013, spent more than a year in jail awaiting trial. (Binns was convicted and sentenced to 15 years to life.) In a photo apparently taken shortly after his release, Shakir is shown still wearing his L.A. County Jail T-shirt while someone who appears to be Jackson holds up a Jaccpot chain.

At least one person close to Jackson believes the troubling associations date back to the mid-2000’s, when his father, Bill, was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

"The loss of his father was devastating for him," Raul Lara, Jackson's former football coach at Poly High School in Long Beach, California, told NJ.com. "When his dad passed away, I think DeSean started to hang around some not-so-good people."

ANOTHER BAD CONNECTION

A little over a year after the rising NFL star was interviewed by police about his connection to Shakir, Jackson's name once again made its way onto the desk of Detective Crosson.

This time, Jackson's name surfaced as part of an investigation into a 2012 gang-related murder that occurred outside a South Los Angeles business where a party had taken place. The building was owned or leased by a member of Jackson's family, police said.

During a search of the building, Crosson told NJ.com investigators found several documents belonging to Jackson, including a car title, a gun permit issued in New Jersey and credit-card receipts.

After discovering the documents, Crosson said he made multiple attempts to contact Jackson by phone, but never was able to connect with the wide receiver. Crosson added that Jackson was never considered a suspect in the crime.

Despite Jackson's name having come up in connection with two gang-related murders involving Crips, Crosson said police have no hard evidence that Jackson is a member of the gang, which was formed in the late 1960’s and has an estimated 35,000 members across the country. Crosson said, however, the Jackson routinely flashes Crip gang signs in photos on social media -- and even on television during an NFL game.

"You don't want to see anybody throwing up gang signs like he did in the Redskins game last year," Crosson said. "Those were neighborhood Crip gang signs and he flashed them during a game. He may not be affiliated with the gang, but they don't [ordinarily] take kindly to those not in the gang throwing up those gang signs."

Last season, Jackson appeared to throw up the hand gesture in the face of Washington Redskins defensive back DeAngelo Hall after a reception in the Eagles' season-opener. Jackson also can be seen contorting his fingers to make a "C" -- another Crips sign -- in a music video he shot with former fellow Poly High student Snoop Dogg. Jackson flashed it yet again while wearing an Anaheim Angels hat on Instagram.

Even the name of Jackson's music label, Jaccpot Records, has not gone unnoticed by authorities. Police brought it up to Jackson, Crosson said, when he was interviewed in the investigation of the Watson homicide.

The two C's in Jaccpot, cops believed, were symbolic. Crips avoid putting a "C" next to a "K" because in gangspeak, that stands for "Crip Killer." Crosson said Jackson explained the spelling by saying the Internet domain name for Jackpot "was taken."

"DeSean Jackson is not a gang member," said EAG Management CEO and founder Denise White, Jackson's agent. "He's far, far from it."

White, who would not make Jackson available for an interview, offered no further comment.

CLEAN RECORD?

Despite his connections with reputed gang members and police interest in talking to him in connection with two homicides, Jackson’s supporters say he has otherwise comported himself as a model citizen.

Through court records, however, NJ.com uncovered a previously unreported arrest that occurred in September 2009. Jackson was pulled over for having illegally tinted windows, police said, and during the course of the traffic stop, officers said they discovered marijuana in the vehicle.

Jackson was arrested for possession of marijuana while driving, disturbing the peace and operating a car with materials that obstruct or reduce a driver’s view, according to court documents. The marijuana and illegally tinted windows charges were dropped as part of the plea deal and Jackson pleaded guilty to a disturbing the peace charge in April 2010.

Both the Eagles and a spokesman for the NFL, reached Thursday, declined to comment on the arrest.

Since joining the Eagles in 2008, Jackson -- a three-time Pro Bowl player -- has been an active member of the Philadelphia community and has been involved in several charities. He has been particularly active in campaigning against youth bullying.

Lara, his former high school coach who now is head coach at Warren High School in Downey, Calif., said Jackson has been nothing but friendly when the wide receiver has visited Poly High during NFL bye weeks. Lara added that Jackson has even been willing to bring his anti-bullying message to Warren.

"As a player, he was a great kid for me," Lara said. "I didn't have any issues. I loved his leadership. He had a chip on his shoulder and, as a coach, you like to see that in a great athlete. He had something to prove.

"I was a little worried about him after his father passed. I know his mother tried to get involved [in his life], but I haven't seen any indication [Jackson is involved with gangs] outside of him starting up his rap label. Athletes like to portray a tough image with gangsters and whatever else. Maybe he's playing into that. That's a part of him that I never really saw."

Jackson was actually a crime victim earlier this year as burglars made off with an unknown amount of cash, an estimated $125,000 in jewelry, and two handguns from his South Philly home. Jackson disputed reports that $250,000 in cash was stolen from a safe inside the house and offered a $50,000 reward for information on the crime.

When asked about Jackson’s status at the NFL owners' meetings Tuesday in Orlando, Fla., Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said Jackson is "still under contract for us" and "until there's anything to report on our players, that's where we are now."

Head coach Chip Kelly also dodged questions regarding rumors about trading or releasing Jackson, saying on Wednesday, "I like DeSean, but we're always going to do what's best for the organization."

Follow Eliot Shorr-Parks and A.J. Perez on Twitter at @EliotShorrParks and @AJPerezSports



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I'm torn on him.

He's an awesome talent, has proven he can score a ton of TDs, and can even be used on special teams. It would eliminate the need for a WR in the draft. But at the same time, I think he's drama that doesn't need to be a part of this team. He'll want to be paid like a #1 WR and we already have that on the roster. He'll want to be treated like a #1 WR and we already have that. The minute the guy doesn't get enough looks his way, he'll start complaining and will soon become a distraction. He has a track record-- of both being productive and being a head case. Now, this gang stuff.....

Again, I don't know.

'DeSean Jackson throws up Crips gang sign at DeAngelo Hall'

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/desean-jackson-crips-gang-sign-deangelo-hall/203386

He signed a 5 year deal with the iggies in 2012, in January of this year, two years in, he's already lobbying for a new deal. He's skips meetings to be with his "friends", and his friends are of questionable flavor.

Yeah, lets bring this kid in so he can teach Gordon the ropes...

j/c

I won't judge Jackson but others have brought up what concerns me.

I saw on NFL Live that attorneys for the Eagles have made it known that nobody in the Eagles FO can say anything about Jackson fearing litigation.

So what is it the Eagles know that they can't say?

I'm far more concerned about the circumstances of his release and what they can't say than anything. As many have eluded to, I think there's a lot here we don't know.

JMHO

JC

His YPC is right there with Gordon. We'd have 2 of the top 5 in that category and we wouldn't have to use any picks on WR.

The only risk is cap room. we have plenty of that, and every offer thrown his way will have safeguards on behavior.

I don't know that he'd sign here, but I can't imagine ignoring proven talent then using a #4 pick on a WR. If that's our approach, we don't deserve a franchise QB.

For me, it all comes down to this: Why in the world would the Eagles release him if there wasn't a real problem? I can't get past that.

The only person who should be on the phone with this guy is Bill Belichick.

And he's got to think twice after Aaron Hernandez.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't inquire about him unless I have a good foundation in place in terms of system, locker room, and winning.

He's also now a one year deal guy for a long time.

DeSean Jackson, who has never actually done anything illegal, is a bad influence on Josh Gordon?

Armonty Bryant was caught selling drugs during his college team's practice, is a good influence?

Joe Haden (like Gordon) was suspended for for using illegal substances, is a good influence?

Desmond Bryant Hulked a stranger's door off its hinges while drunk, is a good influence?

Greg Little gets several traffic violations (a problem he shares with Gordon), is a good influence?

Josh Gordon is a grown man. He can make decisions on his own. If he is going to screw up again he is going to do it on his own, no matter if Jackson is on the team or not.

What's the point of bringing in players like Dansby and Whitner as veteran leaders if we can't bring in troubled players like Jackson (who has never actually got in trouble)?

Did you happen to miss this quote?

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Before Jackson was released, a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: "They are concerned about having him around the younger players."

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J/C


I may be wrong, but don't gangs usually frown on people flashing their sign who are not members? I know the local gangs here will beat you to a pulp for flashing their sign..Just saying.

He is denying that they released him due to being in gang related activities. Well where is the proof that he was with a gang? Need to find proof.

I hope we do our due diligence both ways, and make a decision on whether or not to offer him a contract accordingly.

Frankly him showing up late for team meetings, and such, concerns me as well. If a player cannot work within the structure of the team, that does scare me.

I look at Josh Gordon as an asset we to to protect and grow, I don't see how adding a character like Desean Jackson does that.

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Josh Gordon is a grown man. He can make decisions on his own. If he is going to screw up again he is going to do it on his own, no matter if Jackson is on the team or not.

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There is such a thing as a bad influence. Not just NFL players, anyone. You hang around less than reputable people, you should not be surprised if bad things happen.