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Wouldn't be surprised if Desean Jackson was leaning toward the Redskins more as a "screw you" to the Eagles.
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Richard Sherman wrote a good article about this today. I’m not going to tell you that DeSean Jackson isn’t in a gang, because I can’t say unequivocally that he isn’t. I can’t tell you whether his friends have done the things police have accused them of doing, because I wasn’t there. I can’t tell you what DeSean does with his time, because we play football on opposite ends of the country. I can only tell you that I believe him to be a good person, and if you think, say or write otherwise without knowing the man, you’re in the wrong. And if it’s true the Eagles terminated his contract in part because they grew afraid of his alleged “gang ties,” then they did something worse. [Editor’s note: Jackson has agreed to terms with the Redskins.] I look at those words—gang ties—and I think about all the players I’ve met in the NFL and all of us who come from inner-city neighborhoods like mine in Los Angeles, and I wonder how many of us could honestly say we’re not friends with guys doing the wrong things. I can’t. I grew up in Watts, and I played baseball with DeSean in elementary school on a team coached by his father near Inglewood. His father, Bill, picked me up from elementary school 30 minutes away from his home for practice and games because my parents both worked and didn’t finish until later, and I wanted to play baseball with some childhood friends. Bill was a great coach, and a great man. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2009, the summer after his son’s rookie season. DeSean and I didn’t hang out then like we did as kids. Those men with DeSean in the social pictures and the police reports weren’t his closest friends in childhood, but when his father died and few people were there for him, they were there. When a tragic event like that happens, the people who are around are the people who are around, and they were there for him. I can’t change who I grew up with. What I can do is try to educate them, help them and keep them out of trouble. Was DeSean supposed to then say, “Thanks guys, but now that I’m a millionaire, please leave me alone”? Even if he wanted to, he wouldn’t have. In desperate times for people who come from desperate communities, your friends become your family. I wouldn’t expect DeSean to “distance himself” from anybody, as so many people suggest pro athletes ought to do despite having no understanding of what that means. Going to college and playing in the NFL creates a natural distance, but we can’t push people away just because they’re not as successful as us. I can’t change who I grew up with, but what I can do is try to educate them on the right way of doing things, help them when they need it, and try to keep them out of trouble. There is, of course, a tipping point. There have been times when I realized that someone can’t be helped, because they continue doing the wrong things. Typically, the only time I cut someone off is when they’re in jail, because I can’t help them there. And if they’re accused of a crime, as DeSean’s friends have been, should that reflect poorly on me? Consider that for every several guys I try to help who end up dead or in jail, there’s another person I was able to rescue from a similar end. Should I give up on everybody out of fear of being dirtied by the media? Sorry, but I was born in this dirt. NFL teams understand that. The Seattle Seahawks get it. The Philadelphia Eagles apparently do not. This offseason they re-signed a player who was caught on video screaming, “I will fight every n—– here.” He was representing the Philadelphia Eagles when he said it, because, of course, everything we do is reflective of the organization. But what did they do to Riley Cooper, who, if he’s not a racist, at least has “ties” to racist activity? They fined him and sent him to counseling. No suspension necessary for Cooper and no punishment from the NFL, despite its new interest in policing our use of the N-word on the field. Riley instead got a few days off from training camp and a nice contract in the offseason, too. Commit certain crimes in this league and be a certain color, and you get help, not scorn. Look at the way many in the media wrote about Jim Irsay after his DUI arrest. Nobody suggested the Colts owner had “ties” to drug trafficking, even though he was caught driving with controlled substances (prescription pills) and $29,000 in cash to do who-knows-what with. Instead, poor millionaire Mr. Irsay needs help, some wrote. But DeSean Jackson is the menace, right? He’s just as bad as those guys he parties with because he threw up a Crip sign in a picture and he owns a gangsta rap record label. If only all record label owners were held to this standard, somebody might realize that Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg weren’t the bosses behind NWA. Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were. But go ahead and judge DeSean for the company he keeps. While you’re at it, judge me, too, because I still live in Los Angeles, and my family does, too. We didn’t run from where we grew up. We aren’t afraid to be associated with the people who came up with us. We brought some of our money back and started charities and tried to help out a few guys who were with us when we were nobodies. I won’t apologize for that, and I suspect neither will DeSean when he’s back on the field doing what he’s always done: grinding through adversity. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/02/richard-sherman-desean-jackson/?eref=sihp
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Dang, Richard Sherman is an intelligent man. He uses logic and reason while speaking eloquently. My respect for him just grew immeasurably.
The only thing I will say is this: I don't hole the gang ties against Jackson. I don't know if they are true or not. I also understand that where you grew up is important. What bothers me is that Jackson was dogging it when Philly didn't redo his contract a couple of years ago, and that he missed meetings, and that he was late for meetings, and that he argued w/coaches, and that his former teammates aren't saying good things about him.
Sherman is right in what he said, but I wouldn't have signed Jackson for the reasons I stated and the gang crap would have had nothing to do w/it.
One more thing.....................I bet that Sherman doesn't miss meetings and isn't late for practice. I bet he NEVER dogs it on any play. I doubt he is disrespectful to his coaches.
There is the difference.
But again, I appreciate his effort at defending Jackson. Very impressive.
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Well, he signed for 16 million guaranteed, so he's a "Redskin". Though the league is putting pressure on the team to change the name and logo. They could always go with a white helmet and a big blue C as the logo and all blue uniforms. As it stands I can't see his Crip posse digging his new RED colors. See over there red don't go, some places red is all they know...... He better not show in his hood in a Skins jersey.
And before you go off that he says he's not in a gang... I have to ask why he's flashing gangs signs on the field then.... member or hang-around he's throwing Crip signs on the field of play.
Maybe, the Skins will get four good years from him. But I'm damned glad we didn't attempt to sign the guy. To me, that's bad Karma.... and we sure don't need that here.
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I think people forget that Sherman graduated from Stanford. They just look at the fact he grew up in Compton, has dreads and is extremely vocal. He is a very intelligent guy.
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I don't know how many arguments I got in right after the NFC Title game...
"Thugs" don't graduate with a 3.9 from Stanford...
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nah... he a "thug."
...and I don't appreciate folks like you trying to muddy the waters with facts and stuff-
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Jackson says it hasn’t been decided whether he’ll wear No. 10
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2014, 5:16 PM EDT
Most Redskins fans are happy about the arrival of receiver DeSean Jackson. Many may not be happy about the number he possibly will wear.
The thousands of Robert Griffin III jerseys sold in the last two years could quickly become irrelevant, if Griffin surrenders No. 10 to Jackson. The way Jackson describes the situation, it’s at least a possibility.
“I definitely am familiar on the No. 10 [worn by] Robert Griffin,” Jackson said on a conference call with reporters, via Tarik El-Bashir of CSN Washington. “We’ve talked about it a little bit. But that isn’t a decision that’s been made yet so far.”
It’s a decision that will need to be made sooner rather than later, since Nike will want to know the number to put on the burgundy “JACKSON” jerseys that soon will be for sale.
“Maybe by the time the season starts we’ll know,” Jackson said. “Maybe RGIII will wear No. 3 and I’ll try to get in [No.] 10. We’ll see how it goes, though. You never know.”
Jackson laughed when he talked about Griffin wearing No. 3. For the folks who have bought all thought RGIII jerseys — and for Nike, which surely has many of them in unsold inventory — it’s no laughing matter. Even if Griffin is willing to change numbers, the topic is likely a non-starter for the NFL.
From Jackson’s perspective, those who think the kid doesn’t get it will be inclined to point to his failure to say anything other than “there’s no way I’m taking Robert’s number” as proof of that proposition.
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I don't know how many arguments I got in right after the NFC Title game...
"Thugs" don't graduate with a 3.9 from Stanford...
In March 2013, Sherman went on to ESPN First Take, where he argued with Skip Bayless. Sherman told Bayless "I'm intelligent enough and capable enough to understand that you are an ignorant, pompous, egotistical cretin. I am going to crush you on here because I am tired of hearing about it." He also claimed that he was "better at life" than the First Take analyst.
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j/c "Commit certain crimes in this league and be a certain color, and you get help, not scorn." He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card. Riley Cooper? If he were a black man and said/did the exact same thing, we'd have never seen that video clip. Irsay not being scorned? Please. If Desean were a white guy with "supposed" gang ties who also flashed gang signs while at work, I guess it would have never been reported. 
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It'll be funny if RGIII changes #s because of him. Robert said that Jackson is "my kind of guy" lmao...
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Fans everywhere please calm down. Not changing my # @DeseanJackson10 will kick off his new beginning with us in a new one #HTTR
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He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card.
Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
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I don't know how many arguments I got in right after the NFC Title game...
"Thugs" don't graduate with a 3.9 from Stanford...
In March 2013, Sherman went on to ESPN First Take, where he argued with Skip Bayless. Sherman told Bayless "I'm intelligent enough and capable enough to understand that you are an ignorant, pompous, egotistical cretin. I am going to crush you on here because I am tired of hearing about it." He also claimed that he was "better at life" than the First Take analyst.
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I am suddenly a bbig fan of Sherman, lol! 
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He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card.
Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
You see this in a lot of the political threads.. I read until I got to this one comment I thought was stupid or disagreed with so I stopped reading..
I tend to disagree with Sherman on his take on punishment/scorn in the NFL for one reason.. they are two different things. Punishment is handed out by the league and from what I've seen, is pretty fair.. scorn is from fans, millions of them, who approach each issue with their own individual biases and those who yell the loudest seem like the majority..
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He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card.
Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
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This little tidbit in his closing remarks didn't help much either.
"Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were."
I'd say the race card became central to his point...defeating the message that I heard...a message that I am tired of hearing.
He had the chance - and has the ability - to really make a point. Which he did..his point being that if Desean were not afircan-american this would be a non-issue.
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So I'm going to assume you agree with his point, that if Jackson were white, it would be a non issue...
Which makes your blanket statement of him losing "All credibility" that much more awkward...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card.
Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
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This little tidbit in his closing remarks didn't help much either.
"Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were."
I'd say the race card became central to his point...defeating the message that I heard...a message that I am tired of hearing.
He had the chance - and has the ability - to really make a point. Which he did..his point being that if Desean were not afircan-american this would be a non-issue.
It wasn't playing of the race card, it was rebuking the use of a stereotype with another one.
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So I'm going to assume you agree with his point, that if Jackson were white, it would be a non issue...
Which makes your blanket statement of him losing "All credibility" that much more awkward...
His point is that the coverage of Desean was racially motivated...that's simply BS...not awkward.
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Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
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This little tidbit in his closing remarks didn't help much either.
"Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were."
I'd say the race card became central to his point...defeating the message that I heard...a message that I am tired of hearing.
He had the chance - and has the ability - to really make a point. Which he did..his point being that if Desean were not afircan-american this would be a non-issue.
It wasn't playing of the race card, it was rebuking the use of a stereotype with another one.
I'd say the stereotype is in regards to where he grew up...the race comments were playing of the race card. We don't have to agree...that's just the way I saw it.
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He lost all credibility with me right there. He wants to be a beacon of light for players from disadvantaged backgrounds...writes and speaks very well...and in the end falls back on the race card.
Wow.
All the points he made are now invalid because of the one you quoted?
mmmmmm... OK, I guess...
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This little tidbit in his closing remarks didn't help much either.
"Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were."
I'd say the race card became central to his point...defeating the message that I heard...a message that I am tired of hearing.
He had the chance - and has the ability - to really make a point. Which he did..his point being that if Desean were not afircan-american this would be a non-issue.
It wasn't playing of the race card, it was rebuking the use of a stereotype with another one.
I'd say the stereotype is in regards to where he grew up...the race comments were playing of the race card. We don't have to agree...that's just the way I saw it.
It was contrasting the "hip hop thug" stereotype with "top level executive businessman" stereotype, and the only allusion to race at all was that the guy he used to reference that sterotype happens to be white... .BUT, he also happens to be the guy he was already discussing previous to carry a point.
Race wasn't brought into it until you wanted to see it, at least not as a main point.
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To Purple, Clem, PDR, DCDawgfan, and others... I want to establish gray as the color for sincerity: I'm proud to be a part of a community where there is some measured, thoughtful and balanced response on issues of race. Never having met any of you I imagine there are one or more white brothers among you. That tells me that there is hope for continued advancement on issues of race in America. Open and honest communication is the only way for America to ultimately reach its stated ideal. In the meantime lets continue to find commonality where we can. I'm not naive enough to believe we will always agree. But we can attempt to understand each other, that's a foundation. Go Browns! 
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"Commit certain crimes in this league and be a certain color, and you get help, not scorn."
You don't think he brought race into the discussion...I do based on his own comment above. Simple as that. I think it tainted his entire message from being about where DJ is from to being about his race.
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Back to the thread...Players Union is going to investigate the Eagles for leaking out possible UNTRUTHS to devalue the player.
We'll see what becomes of this. I'm sure D/Jackson is not the best team mate. But I wonder how much of this is College Coach Player relationship compared with NFL.
If the Eagles start losing For some reason I think there will be problems in Philly.
Winning everything is great. I see this with Disciplinarians.
Saban went south fast cause Miami didn't win.
Mangini with Jets and players didn't complain cause it was Mangenius - then the next season they lost and all heck broke loose.
Carrol is one of the few who has done well. Spurrier couldn't handle it.
But I'm wondering how much is Kelly got a different system that all is good as long as they win???
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one of my pet peeves is when people lump all college coaches into the same bucket. Saban as a HC (disciplinarian and controlling every detail of the organization) is so, so, so completely different than Carroll (players coach, everything about competition and mixing in fun and levity wherever he can) that it is ludicrous to compare the two guys. and, that is not even to say that one style is better than the other. I think it has largely to do with circumstance at either level. but, just airing out my grievance here. thanks for reading 
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I hate when people use Saban as an example of failed college coaches.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how good of a coach you are, if you don't have the right QB, you're going to be limited.
Saban went 15-17 in two years in the NFL with Gus Ferotte, Sage Rosenfels, Joey Harrington, Dante Culpepper, and Cleo Lemon all starting games for him.
Think Saban couldn't have succeeded if the team doctors would have allowed him to sign Drew Brees?
Then people point to Pete Carroll as a success story.
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Well I'm glad I can be somebodies pet peeve or hate...lol 
My point is the organization is a little different from college coaches.
When stated Saban went south fast it was with his willingness to coach at the NFL compared with college.
As for Carrol I think the fact he was an NFL HC before college has helped him a lot in his transition. Kelly has no NFL experience. Regardless of disciplinarian or players coach... its probably done differently. And its pure speculation on my part.
More wondering what will happen if they start losing.
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We should have obtained Desean Jackson no matter what the cost.
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We should have obtained Desean Jackson no matter what the cost.
Too many question marks. Might end up being nothing, but I thing you gotta look at that and say buyer beware.
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also, take a look at Miami before and after Saban. he got the absolute most out of that roster.
and, oh yeah, he pushed hard for Drew Brees but ownership & the doctors said no.
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