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I wanted to start this thread because we have many individual threads talking about specific QB's of this draft. It seems like everyone brings in talk about a different QB than in the thread. Now we can do that here.
Personally, I don't think that any of these QB's are worth of a first round pick.
What are you thoughts?
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I like each QB for different reasons:
Bortles - Prototypical size; solid arm; can be elusive in the pocket
Manziel - Toughness; leadership; solid arm; the "it" factor
Bridgewater - Experience; accuracy; solid arm
However, I wouldn't draft any of them at #4. I think none of them are even CLOSE to franchise-QB ready right now ... I'd much rather select Watkins/Mack/Robinson/Clowney/Matthews at this point.
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1. Bortles-worth a top 10 pick
2. Manziel-top 10
3. Bridgewater-top 15
4. Carr-early 2nd
5. Murray-late 3rd
6. Garoppolo-late 3rd
7. Fales-5th
8. Boyd-5th
9. McCarron-I don't like McCarron, but I love when they show his girlfriend so I'd be ok with him for that reason. Also Bortles' GF is a showstopper too.
I think Bortles and Manziel are worthy of #4, and I'd be happy with Bridgewater as well. The best thing I see about Bortles is that he brought the players around him up to his level, the worst thing I fear about Manziel is that the talent around him may have made him look better than he really is. Not nearly enough credit is given to the supporting cast on the success of the QB. Gordon and Cameron can make an average QB look very good. On the other side of things if the Jags pick any one of these QBs they will fail and be called a bust. I'd also love Watkins, and I'd love trading down. And I could see focusing on the defense and building a truly scary D. We have the foundation to be successful in several different ways.
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Every deep pass completed by QBs- http://youtu.be/M0PKEvPbLVs
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Boy, Bortles and Bridgewater had a lot of wide open receivers. Seems like they both had the most trouble hitting them in stride. Carr had an awful lot of time on most of his throws. It's like he was standing upright behind the line at a carnival game. Manziel looked to be the most accurate, hitting guys in stride. He wasn't on the run scrambling as much as I expected. Based on those videos alone, Manziel won.
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Carr has the best deep ball when he's in a groove. So much pressure from his shoddy OL and zero RB protection probably negatively impacts his deep completion %. He was always throwing with a rusher in his face.
Teddy at 45-50+ yards struggles a bit but at 35-40 he is absolute money. Elite accuracy between and outside the hashes at the deep end of the intermediate range.
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1. Teddy value 1st round
2. Manziel value 1st round
3. Carr value 2nd round (but probably will go 1st depending on how fast the first two get taken)
4. Bortles value 2nd ( " )
5. Garapolo value 2nd - could sneak in the first if there is a run.
6. McCarron - 3rd probably will go in the 2nd.
I'll stop there.
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We kind of beat the quarterback topic to death in every thread but ok:
1. Bridgewater - The best quarterback in this draft. I could care less about the combine or pro day. Look at the game film for the last three years. Consistent production, consistent improvement. Natural instincts, mobility, vision, reads defenses, makes good decisions, accuracy, played in pro-set offense. Leadership qualities both on and off the field. His actions show his commitment to improve and his dedication to the game.
2. Garopollo - Natural passer. Played against inferior competition but dominated. Solid in all aspects of the game. Throws a beautiful ball and is very accurate. Has the best release of all QB's in this draft. Reads the field well and makes good decisions. Won the Walter Peyton award. Very intelligent but will force the ball on occasion. He is the type of guy that if given a chance to develop could be great.
3. Bortles - Has the prototype size. Tough player and a hard worker. Plays well under pressure. Good enough arm, can move. Not a finished product. Needs to learn more about playing quarterback. Has a good upside if brought along and coached well.
4. Manziel - The ultimate wild card. Undersized but I do not think it will play a part if he learns to protect himself. He must learn to play more behind the LOS. He has to learn to take what is there and not force things. He can not run the ball like he did in college. Must win with his arm and use his mobility to feed his arm. Has great upside if he learns to play within structure and dedicates himself to only football.
5. Carr - Great arm talent. Has a complete physical skill set. Played against inferior competition and rolled up gaudy numbers. Was a five year player. Rah rah leader. Mature and dedicated. Been around the game knows what to expect both on and off the field. Has to prove he can play under pressure. Has all the ability to play at a high level but lacks natural feel for the position.
t5. Mettenberger - Coming off an injury. Terrific arm talent. He can make every throw in the book. Big guy but lacks mobility. Prototype pocket passer. Played against top competition and won. If drafted to the right team with protection and weapons he could be a solid starter.
6. McCarron - Winner. Played against the best and won. He does everything well nothing great. Could be a solid starter but will not be the type of QB to carry a team. What you see is what you get. Low risk but not much upside.
7. David Fales and Aaron Murray - Producers. Both with similar skills. Terrific accuracy but lack some arm strength. Both guys forecast as system quarterbacks. They both can lead teams but are not dominate players. Good in all aspects but not great.
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We kind of beat the quarterback topic to death in every thread but ok:
1. Bridgewater - The best quarterback in this draft. I could care less about the combine or pro day. Look at the game film for the last three years. Consistent production, consistent improvement. Natural instincts, mobility, vision, reads defenses, makes good decisions, accuracy, played in pro-set offense. Leadership qualities both on and off the field. His actions show his commitment to improve and his dedication to the game.
2. Garopollo - Natural passer. Played against inferior competition but dominated. Solid in all aspects of the game. Throws a beautiful ball and is very accurate. Has the best release of all QB's in this draft. Reads the field well and makes good decisions. Won the Walter Peyton award. Very intelligent but will force the ball on occasion. He is the type of guy that if given a chance to develop could be great.
3. Bortles - Has the prototype size. Tough player and a hard worker. Plays well under pressure. Good enough arm, can move. Not a finished product. Needs to learn more about playing quarterback. Has a good upside if brought along and coached well.
4. Manziel - The ultimate wild card. Undersized but I do not think it will play a part if he learns to protect himself. He must learn to play more behind the LOS. He has to learn to take what is there and not force things. He can not run the ball like he did in college. Must win with his arm and use his mobility to feed his arm. Has great upside if he learns to play within structure and dedicates himself to only football.
5. Carr - Great arm talent. Has a complete physical skill set. Played against inferior competition and rolled up gaudy numbers. Was a five year player. Rah rah leader. Mature and dedicated. Been around the game knows what to expect both on and off the field. Has to prove he can play under pressure. Has all the ability to play at a high level but lacks natural feel for the position.
t5. Mettenberger - Coming off an injury. Terrific arm talent. He can make every throw in the book. Big guy but lacks mobility. Prototype pocket passer. Played against top competition and won. If drafted to the right team with protection and weapons he could be a solid starter.
6. McCarron - Winner. Played against the best and won. He does everything well nothing great. Could be a solid starter but will not be the type of QB to carry a team. What you see is what you get. Low risk but not much upside.
7. David Fales and Aaron Murray - Producers. Both with similar skills. Terrific accuracy but lack some arm strength. Both guys forecast as system quarterbacks. They both can lead teams but are not dominate players. Good in all aspects but not great.
Good post. I would agree with your comments on Bridgewater if he played against big program teams. His body of work is against BB schools.
Agree on Manziel. His talent is improvisation...which he did constantly. I don't want a QB that has to play school yard football to win. Not sure how he translates on the NFL field when chased and harassed by real talent.
Mettenberger and McCarron. Proven winners on the big stage, over many games, against big time programs, and against more future NFL players...and in pressure situations. Steals with later picks. Draft them both. Beef up the oline with earlier picks, and compliment with a top RB draft (Hyde). Take an A+ on the 2014 draft.
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The sleeper in this draft.
Former LSU quarterback Zach Mettenberger said he will throw on Pro Day
Zach Mettenberger's recovery from knee surgery continues on a roll. The former LSU Tiger quarterback confirmed on ESPN's SportsCenter Friday that he will throw at the LSU Pro Day on April 9.
"The doctors are thoroughly impressed with where he is and the progress he has made," said Mettenberger's representative Seth Katz. "He's weeks ahead of schedule and it's nothing surprising."
In a SportsCenter segment with ESPN's Sara Walsh and Kevin Negandhi, Mettenberger revealed that his rehab was coming along and that he would throw for the first time since injuring his knee in the Tigers' season finale against Arkansas. Mettenberger underwent surgery Jan. 2 to repair a torn ACL. He was on the ESPN campus for a day full of interviews and will cap it off with charity appearances, Katz said.
Mettenberger attended the NFL Scouting Combine two weeks ago but only for a medical evaluation and to interview with team representatives.
Not surprisingly, Mettenberger will not run the 40-yard dash at Pro Day and wouldn't have even if he was able, Katz said. It has not been determined if Mettenberger will participate in any other drills
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Mettenberger, as I have been saying from early on this year, is an injury waiting to happen. His front leg is too stiff. He is going to suffer one knee injury after another.
I would not even put him on my board.
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1. Blake Bortles - I just really love this guy. He has the size, the durability, the movement, the arm to become something really special. His footwork needs work and his accuracy is spotty at times, but he really can be the next great QB. I would take him with any pick we have.
2. Teddy Bridgewater - I've been back and forth with Teddy, but ultimately, I think he'll be a very successful NFL QB. I'm not sure he has the elite potential, but he definitely can be a franchise QB...if that makes sense? His accuracy is easily the best trait of his. He can move around the pocket in a throwing stance with ease. His biggest drawback is that he doesn't quite have the arm to be elite and sometimes passes float on him. Also, the whole gloves thing. Scary in an environment like ours where gloves can get slick. I would take him if Bortles was gone with any of our picks.
3. Johnny Manziel - I honestly do not know what to think about him. He's the ultimate gamble, the ultimate risk and ultimate reward. Sometimes he makes jaw dropping, game breaking plays. And sometimes he makes head banging, mind numbing plays. He's got the arm, he's got the mobility in spades, and he's got the ability to improvise. You don't have to read a defense well if you can buy time like Manziel can. However, his accuracy is spotty. And I think that's being kind. It's largely because of the style he plays, but he just won't be a high comp % guy in the NFL. I think I'd take him at 4, but I'd really have to ponder a trade down or take his WR, Evans.
4. Derek Carr - Derek is here because I just don't know where else to put him. I'm not in love with him but I'm not ready to condemn him. His offense he played in was awful, so it's hard to tell with him. He sometimes will shy away from contact, which isn't good. However, with a clean pocket, he's easily the best QB in this class. His arm is jaw dropping in both accuracy and strength. Guy can wing it. His reads are...so so, and much worse when under pressure. I just don't know what to think. I'd consider him at 26 but would likely pass. I would pick him up in the 2nd.
5. Tom Savage- Of the "sit and develop" guys, he's easily my favorite. He's got the arm, the size, and the value that I want in a QB in later rounds. He can make plays with his arm, but he can also make giant mistakes. His release is a little long, but he looks very coachable. Gil Brandt likes him too, and that's a positive in my book. I'd take him in the early 3rd.
6. Jimmy Garappolo *Did I get that right? Probably not*- JAG. His arm is average, his accuracy is average, his build is average, his ball placement is good, his release is his best trait. His ability to read a defense is suspect. I don't see it in this guy, though. Looks just...blah. I'd take him no earlier than the 5th round.
Not really high on any other QB. I'd take a flier on Logan Thomas just because he's so athletic and that could turn into something at another position if he's totally helpless. The rest are either backups or guys not worth wasting bandwith on.
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I would not even put him on my board.
I don't like Mettenberger much either because I think that he is a horrible decision maker. Frequently he tries to thread the ball between two defenders despite having a wide open receiver on the other side of the field.
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Mettenberger, as I have been saying from early on this year, is an injury waiting to happen. His front leg is too stiff. He is going to suffer one knee injury after another.
I would not even put him on my board.
I don't like Mettenberger much either because I think that he is a horrible decision maker. Frequently he tries to thread the ball between two defenders despite having a wide open receiver on the other side of the field.
Mettenberger is Byron Leftwich 2.0
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We have flogged this topic; call the ASPCA. I was impressed with the improvement Manziel showed, but he still has questions around his game. I am convinced, although I usually hate crystal ball arguments that declare the future as absolutes to suit their owners, that much of what made Johnny run and improvise, leading to his success probably will not translate to every Sunday in the NFL. His reputation is earned by his improv, instincts, and skill, and I take nothing away from that success. That said, he can be flushed, roll out, extend plays, things he is famous for doing. But the NFL players he will face can run him down, punish him, and play much faster. Can he adjust, adapt, and survive? Probably will. But I have real reservations about how well things go if these rogue play successes are taken away. Just too much compromising his game at four. Later, perhaps. But to hang the season on him, green while the adjustments and discipline are coming is just too chaotic for me.  
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LSU's Zach Mettenberger No. 2 quarterback in NFL draft, ESPN's Ron Jaworski says Draft opinions this time of year are a dime a dozen. But ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski, a former NFL quarterback, thinks former LSU Tiger Zach Mettenberger is the No. 2 quarterback in the draft and that goes against the conventional wisdom. Most analysts rate Mettenberger somewhere in the top 10. They recognize his improvement and strong throwing arm but at the same time know his mobility is a minus, not to mention the fact he's coming off knee surgery in January. But Jaworki puts him behind only Central Florida's Blake Bortles and ahead of Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel and Fresno State's Derek Carr. Most analysts have Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater in the top 10 and some in the top five, with Mettenberger more likely a Day 2 pick when the second and third rounds are held. Jaworski termed the former Heisman Trophy winner Manziel "a project" and said he wouldn't take him in the first three rounds. About Mettenberger, Jaworski said "when you watch him on tape, this guy has an NFL skill set" and that he has "very similar traits" to Baltimore Ravens quarterback and Super Bowl champion Joe Flacco. At least one scout said the Mettenberger comparison to Flacco fits physically but that Flacco is much more athletic. Mettenberger has yet to throw for the scouts as his rehab continues, but his moment is coming soon. He's already announced he's going to throw at LSU's pro day April 9 and almost certainly will be lined up for private workouts during the following month leading up to the draft May 8-10. http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/03/lsus_zach_mettenberger_no_2_qu.html
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I was reading something I agreed with the other day that basically said, most of the "Old school" analysts would love mettenburger, but this is the new NFL, you have to be able to run AND Throw.
Mettenburger is a throwback, guys who like the prototype will love him. I think he isn't very good. Accuracy, mobility, decision making all big time question marks, Cam Cameron did a really nice job calling plays where his reads were very easy, one, sometimes two progressions. He loves to lock on (like a lot of big arm guys do).
Above all that, there is his stiffness in the pocket and his knee concerns.
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You can not be a still target in todays game.
Aaron Donald a DT put down a 4.65 forty. Clowney a crazy 4.53.
If you are not fast you have to be at least be elusive. You have to be able to sense the rush. Move up, slide, pump fake, something to extend the play.
Mettenberger is coming off a torn ACL. Not good for a guy who was already slow footed. He is a tough kid and has a major arm. But he has not yet demonstrated the abilities to compensate for his lack of mobility.
I respect Jaworski but there is way that I see Mettenberger as the second best QB in this draft.
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Well ....I can see peoples' heads exploding if this were to happen ........ Will the Cleveland Browns pursue DeSean Jackson?: Hey Mary Kay! | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/will_the_cleveland_browns_purs_2.htmlHey Mary Kay: If the draft were tomorrow, who do you think the Browns would take at No. 4? -- Billy Y., Chicago, Ill. Hey Billy: I participated in a mock draft on NFL Network this week and the following players were gone: 1. Blake Bortles, 2. Jadeveon Clowney, 3. Sammy Watkins. Caught up in the euphoria of Johnny Manziel's sensational Pro Day Thursday, I was tempted to pick him at No. 4 for the Browns. But I get the sense that scouts and coaches are concerned about his durability, especially in the AFC North, where big quarterbacks reign. I went with Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr, who I've heard the Browns really like. He's got great arm strength and threw for more than 5,000 and 50 touchdowns in 2013. His stock is climbing, and the Raiders at No. 5 reportedly love him. No. 4 might seem a bit high for Carr, but if the Browns really like him, they won't be able to wait until No. 26.
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Well, since Mary Kay said it - it means there is no chance it will happen.
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People always say that ... until the things she says happen.
Now I think that this is just a guess, based on the fact that the front office reportedly likes Carr. (as has been reported not only by MKC, but by other local and national reporters)
It will be interesting to see how mock drafts change between now and the draft .....
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Mettenberger and McCarron. Proven winners on the big stage, over many games, against big time programs, and against more future NFL players...and in pressure situations. Steals with later picks. Draft them both. Beef up the oline with earlier picks, and compliment with a top RB draft (Hyde). Take an A+ on the 2014 draft.
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I would do this in a heartbeat.
Use the high picks on big talent - round out the defense, bolster the offense. Start Hoyer, groom these two.
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Jaws is the same guy who was saying what a good year Weeden would have under Norv.
Think about it..............he loves two guys w/good size and big arms and both are immobile and dumb as the day is long.
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1. Manziel
2. Bridgewater
3. Bortles
4. Carr
5. Mettenbuger
6. McCarron
7. Murray
8. Boyd
9. Thomas
I know Garoppolo probably falls somewhere in this list, but I have not seen enough of him, since he wasn't on TV at all last year..
The other guys I have a better feel for.
The first three are no doubt 1st round guys. Skill set and demand. I feel like Carr is one of those guys that can go in 1 or 2. I could see a team with an established QB maybe taking the chance on him (a la GB taking Rodgers)
If I wasn't worried about Mettenburger's knee exploding, I'd have him as a top 15 pick.
McCarron and Murray are both guys that I have a hard time projeciting at the NFL level. You can talk to me about winning in college and all that and I'll bring up the many failed QB's from big time programs..
Logan Thomas is the wild card. The guy obviously has God-given gifts, and lots of talent, but he needs the right situation. For his case, I hope he lands somewhere with established coaches and not a revolving door like we've had, or Oakland, Detroit, etc...
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Keeping it simple my ranking of this years draft QB (with some notes). Will probably change my mind 10 times between now and draft day  1. Bridgewater (cause of intelligence although hand size is a worry) 2. Manziel (well just because) 3. McCarron (the QB I actually want us to take. If we could get him in the 3rd round a steal. Maybe trade down in the 2nd round or use our 3rd round to trade up to mid 2nd. I think he is under-rated; 77TD 15INT says it all. Give him the supporting cast I think he is a winner (hence why mid to late 2nd round. Draft the supporting cast early). Makes few mistakes and can lead. And he has big hands.. yes I like my QB to have big hands  Also he wears a bow tie.. Bow ties are cool. More I think about it might move him up (off to watch some more vid - doesn't pat the ball before throwing) 4. Garopollo (Smart and quick release.. but small hands) 5. Mathews (project but like his dimensions) 6. Murray (was going to drop him down. Not sure he has much room to improve) 7. Morris (again love his size.. which in a project player I want) 8. Thomas (huge project but as a late round pick, whats not to love) And yes you may have noticed, I want nothing to do with Bortles or Carr. 
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Path to the Draft is a joke. Nothing more than a rehearsed script. The problem is when you air a show like that 5 days a week seven weeks before the draft you can't keep saying the same thing everyday.
So they stir the pot and make ridiculous statements. Like Charles Davis trying to make a comparison between Manziel and Tiger Woods. What? Get real please. Manziel is a two year college player who is sub 6' with question marks all over the place. Woods was and is perhaps the greatest golfer of all time.
Daniel Jeremiah a "former" scout. Now a TV talking head. Three weeks ago Bridgewater was his number one QB. The most NFL ready guy. Now he is behind Bortles and Manziel. His mock has Bridgewater going to the Browns with pick 26.
Pray tell what has happened? Has the game tape somehow changed? Has any more games been played? Didn't Bridgewater throw for over 400 yards his last game? Win the Bowl game and be the MVP?
Oh! The pro day. Really? The pro day? You mean practice? Practice?
Look this is not about dogging Manziel. But let's be real here. He is no way way a top ten prospect. You want to compare him to Luck or Griffin coming out of college? Luck a four year player who had every aspect of playing the position covered. Griffin 6' 2" with the best deep ball and world class speed and the numbers to back it up. A four year player with a Heisman who graduated with a 3.67 GPA.
Look at this draft and the players projected in the first round and tell me honestly that Manziel is ranked as a first rounder.
Bortles outside of his size what makes him a top ten prospect in this draft?
Does his game film support that? I don't think so. Most believe and the tape supports it. He is a developmental player. Top ten guys are suppose to be immediate impact players.
Carr, please show me something that makes him a first round prospect. He has the physical skills ok. He can throw ball very well ok. He is a five year player ok. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker ok. He is a rah rah leader ok. Now look at the tape and tell me how does it support a first round grade?
Garopollo played against inferior competition. Most of the game film looks like high school ball. He did dominate. He does have the physical and mental skill set. But it is a stretch to give him a first round grade playing for a mini school.
This draft is loaded with great players who carry a true first round grade. But outside of Bridgewater the other quarterbacks do not.
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Past drafts have debunked a lot of your arguments... Like being under 6' or playing against inferior competition.
You don't draft players on what they did or who they played against or what their numbers were, or their GPA...
You draft them based on their potential. Both Bortles, and Manziel have potential...
Yes, there is no Luck in this draft, which is becoming kind of a stupid talking point, but the NFL went on before Andrew Luck, and it will be there after. To be completely fair, there were times last year, where he didn't look like the great legendary quarterback we all think he's going to be.
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The top five players based upon production and forecasted potential to the NFL:
Clowney
Robinson
Watkins
Mack
Matthews
Tell me what quarterback was drafted in the "first" round who was under 6"?
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"You don't draft players on what they did or who they played against or what their numbers were, or their GPA."
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Really? So what criterion do you base "your" decision on?
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"You draft them based on their potential. Both Bortles, and Manziel have potential..."
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Good luck with that? Potential is based upon what exactly?
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People missed the boat on Russell Wilson because they were afraid of his height. Think if the draft could be done all over again, he goes in round 3?
What do I base my decision on? Nothing, because I don't make those decisions. In fact, I've said on this board many times, that I don't think there is anything harder in pro sports management than projecting QB's from college to pro. There is no exact science.
Can Johnny bust out and become a running joke? Sure, but guess what? All of these guys can. Those that think Teddy Bridgewater is immune to that scenario are smoking crack.
As far as potential being based on something. I base it on what I see. Quick feet, a strong arm, a sixth sense for the flow of the game. I think he's driven, and wants to get better. People assume because he's a bit of a playboy that he doesn't work hard. I think that's laughable.
He has flaws just like all these quarterbacks. I just see bigger upside. The NFL is about big plays now.
I don't base things on production in college. There are too many variables that come into play.
Level of competition should be taken with a grain of salt as well. Look no further than our own division. We play against 2 quarterbacks, both SB winners mind you, who played their college football at Delaware and Miami of Ohio. Not exactly the SEC.
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Honestly, whoever we draft at QB, we just need to sit them on the bench and keep them off the field for as long as possible. The longer they can stay on the sidelines and adjust to the NFL game, the much better chance of having success they will have.
The reason why so many of our QBs fail is because they AREN'T Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of the draft, and we throw them into the fire as soon as we possibly can hoping for a miracle. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft. They all have flaws. But I think any one of them might be able to do the job, IF they get time to learn the system and adjust to the speed of the NFL.
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Honestly, whoever we draft at QB, we just need to sit them on the bench and keep them off the field for as long as possible. The longer they can stay on the sidelines and adjust to the NFL game, the much better chance of having success they will have.
The reason why so many of our QBs fail is because they AREN'T Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of the draft, and we throw them into the fire as soon as we possibly can hoping for a miracle. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft. They all have flaws. But I think any one of them might be able to do the job, IF they get time to learn the system and adjust to the speed of the NFL.
I have to disagree a little bit. I think we've shortchanged ourselves. I brought up this point a few weeks ago, but I feel like every quarterback we've drafted with the exception of maybe Couch has been someone that the front office wasn't 100% on board with...
I'm pretty sure there was division on Weeden and McCoy...
I think if the Browns were 100% on board with Quinn, they would have taken him immediately instead of Thomas. I don't care how good we knew JT was going to be, you don't pass on a QB you are that big into...
Go through the list of our drafted QB's... You can just tell they were not fully on board with any of them...
I would tell Ray Farmer and his people the same thing. If you are not 100% bought into with any of these top guys, don't do it. I think having Brian Hoyer on the roster helps that decision even more. I want Manziel, but more than that I want them to draft the guy that they really want. I don't care who it is. I just want them to get their guy. If that means waiting another year, I can live with that.
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I have to disagree a little bit. I think we've shortchanged ourselves. I brought up this point a few weeks ago, but I feel like every quarterback we've drafted with the exception of maybe Couch has been someone that the front office wasn't 100% on board with...
It's going to be hard to get a consensus 100% pick, unless someone like Andrew Luck comes along. I don't think this year's draft really has a guy like that, otherwise we'd be hearing about the Texans taking him.
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"Think if the draft could be done all over again, he goes in round 3?"
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Unfortunately nobody is given a crystal ball.
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"Can Johnny bust out and become a running joke? Sure, but guess what? All of these guys can. Those that think Teddy Bridgewater is immune to that scenario are smoking crack."
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No kidding. all have the the "potential" to bust or succeed.
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Player evaluation obviously is not a perfect science.
The history of the draft proves that. However, it also proves many things like first round players have a much better % of success than players taken later.
The criterion involved in player evaluation must include all factors. Those factors are based upon the success of the past. That is why size for position, competition played against, number of years played in college, intelligence, character. As well as the physical tools required to play the position are all considered.
If Luck is a standard for quarterbacks then you measure against that. That of course does not mean that players like Manziel, Wilson, or Brees can not make it. It does have something to do with were they are drafted.
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I have to disagree a little bit. I think we've shortchanged ourselves. I brought up this point a few weeks ago, but I feel like every quarterback we've drafted with the exception of maybe Couch has been someone that the front office wasn't 100% on board with...
It's going to be hard to get a consensus 100% pick, unless someone like Andrew Luck comes along. I don't think this year's draft really has a guy like that, otherwise we'd be hearing about the Texans taking him.
I mean the obvious guys like Luck, Griffin, Newton, because of where they were picked.
But I also feel like, just based on track record, that everyone in the steelers front office was in on Big Ben. They liked the frame, the size, his potential, and what they wanted out of him... You can probably say the same for Flacco.
It doesn't always work out like that. Obviously the Patriots weren't 100% on Tom Brady. You can talk about good scouting on that one if you want to, but really, if the Pats had any inkling that he was going to be a guy to lead them to 3 Super Bowls, they wouldn't have waited until round 6... Probably good fortune there as much as good scouting, and obviously good coaching.
It's an investment. The Pats hit big on a low risk one with Brady. The Panthers hit big with a highest of risks on Newton... I feel like we have almost been playing the middle and not fully put our assets to the front.
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You can not be a still target in todays game.
Aaron Donald a DT put down a 4.65 forty. Clowney a crazy 4.53.
If you are not fast you have to be at least be elusive. You have to be able to sense the rush. Move up, slide, pump fake, something to extend the play.
Mettenberger is coming off a torn ACL. Not good for a guy who was already slow footed. He is a tough kid and has a major arm. But he has not yet demonstrated the abilities to compensate for his lack of mobility.
I respect Jaworski but there is way that I see Mettenberger as the second best QB in this draft.
"Mettenberger is coming off a torn ACL. Not good for a guy who was already slow footed. He is a tough kid and has a major arm. But he has not yet demonstrated the abilities to compensate for his lack of mobility."
Huh. I find it interesting that people are clamoring for Hoyer to be the starter when you can say the exact same thing about him that you said about Mettenberger, aside from having a major arm.
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Hoyer is not like Mettenberger.
He is a much smaller guy with mobility and experience in the league even though he has not played much.
Mettenberger is coming out of college with a torn ACL and zero pro experience.
I am not getting the comparison.
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I find it really hard to throw my support in for Johnny Football after his games against LSU. He finally faced a defense that wasn't scared about him running around and he floundered against them.
On the flip side I literally saw Tim Tebow do well against NFL defenses because the defense wasn't playing disciplined and got too caught up in Tim Tebow and not the play.
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You can not be a still target in todays game.
Aaron Donald a DT put down a 4.65 forty. Clowney a crazy 4.53.
If you are not fast you have to be at least be elusive. You have to be able to sense the rush. Move up, slide, pump fake, something to extend the play.
Mettenberger is coming off a torn ACL. Not good for a guy who was already slow footed. He is a tough kid and has a major arm. But he has not yet demonstrated the abilities to compensate for his lack of mobility.
I respect Jaworski but there is way that I see Mettenberger as the second best QB in this draft.
"Mettenberger is coming off a torn ACL. Not good for a guy who was already slow footed. He is a tough kid and has a major arm. But he has not yet demonstrated the abilities to compensate for his lack of mobility."
Huh. I find it interesting that people are clamoring for Hoyer to be the starter when you can say the exact same thing about him that you said about Mettenberger, aside from having a major arm.
+1 Who do you think is going to take more hits in the NFL? Manziel or Mettenberger?
I vow to smack everyone who says the importance of the running back is diminished in the NFL today.
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Throwing w/a stiff front leg is a recipe for disaster. Early in the season, I predicted that Mettenberger would suffer a knee injury. I almost hate saying that because it is gruesome, but the fact is that you can't stand like that in the pocket w/out getting blasted and suffering a knee injury.
Manziel's scrambling will cause him to get hit a lot. It's a concern. Gruden addressed it w/him. Hopefully, Manziel understands.
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Manziel will take the most hits cause Metlenberger will have a very short career due to the fact he locks his front leg when he throws. It is the single worst habbit to break a QB from, well that and patting the ball just before they throw lol.
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