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Brian Hoyer prepping for Cleveland Browns' QB race
Brian Hoyer, almost six months removed from tearing his ACL, said he is on track to meet his mid-April goal to participate in the Cleveland Browns' offseason workouts.
The top quarterback on the Browns' depth chart told WKRK-FM on Sunday that he has to meet with doctors one more time to get medically cleared. Hoyer said he wanted to show the new staff he was healthy before the 2014 NFL Draft.
"I saw the opportunity that presented itself," Hoyer said. "I knew we had a minicamp before the draft and I really wanted to push myself to be able to participate as much as I could. With the new staff and GM, (I wanted) to show these guys that I'll be ready to go."
Hoyer is the only quarterback on the Browns' roster to start an NFL game. The 28-year-old knows he's likely to have competition from a rookie.
"It's inevitable," Hoyer said. "In this league, there's constant change. Just by the sheer numbers, someone's coming. Where that might be, no one knows."
Hoyer, who said he welcomes competition, believes he'll have the leg up on any quarterback drafted, whether it be in the first or fifth round.
"You just have to control what you can control," he said. "To look over your shoulder, I don't know what to look over my shoulder at right now, so who knows how it will shake out."
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I'm glad you threw this thread up because I was just on my way todo so...
Hoyer just oozes with confidence and it sounds like, since there is one more checkup to get medical clearance - he'll be and is ready to rock come offseason workouts and thereafter.
IMO, it'll be hard for whoever else is at QB to beat out Hoyer if he continues off where he did his short showcasing last year, given, the competition is fair and legit and in true "may the best man win" fashion.
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I don't know if Hoyer is anywhere near a long term answer but for what it's worth, I felt better with him under center than with either Weeden or Campbell..
I cannot put my finger on why I felt that way. Looking at his career so far, there isn't anything there that should make me feel that way.
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He said todo not TOTO LOL
I know. I wasn't talking about the dog. I just wanted to know if it was a Quote from The Wizard of Oz?
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im glad to hear hoyers knee is rehabbing well, and love his motivation.
but im not sure theres a ton Hoyer can prove to them in april, whether his knee is 110% or not. Hell, even if he never injured his knee, but instead only had a chance to start the last 2 games, and played the exact same as he did.
I cannot imagine our coaching staff and front office teetering back and forth between wanting to get a franchise qb early, or not getting one. I think they recognize the severity of the situation, and how important it is not only to our success next year, but also how important it is to them if they want to keep their jobs.
They know how important the QB position is. Because of that, i dont think there is anything Hoyer can show them, in April, that will change their mind about drafting a QB, or where they draft one.
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IMO, it'll be hard for whoever else is at QB to beat out Hoyer if he continues off where he did his short showcasing last year, given, the competition is fair and legit and in true "may the best man win" fashion.
I disagree. I think it will actually be difficult for Hoyer to beat out whomever we bring in.
My reasoning is this:
What makes Hoyer a good QB? We have too small of a sample size, but from what we did see, his strengths werent prototypical size, great arm, extremely accurate, or any of those things. What made Hoyer look as good as he did for those couple games was his HEART and his QUICK RELEASE.
fast forward to july and august camp. This is when the team is trying to get down the playbooks, iron out a ton of kinks, and see how the rosters and depth charts will get made up.
At that point, i dont see Brian Hoyer's strengths (release and making plays when the game is on the line) showing up. The QBs are wearing red jerseys, theres no pass rush, etc. In the summer, guys like weeden look the part. Weeden wasnt panicing in the pocket in july and august. His head wasnt going blank and he wasnt clenching his butthole freaking out anticipating getting hit.
In a "fair" QB competition-- Hoyer still loses out, because in july he just cannot show his strengths off like a QB with an arm can.
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I know. I wasn't talking about the dog. I just wanted to know if it was a Quote from The Wizard of Oz?
What's unusual about that?
Sorry that was me,
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My reasoning is this:
What makes Hoyer a good QB? We have too small of a sample size, but from what we did see, his strengths werent prototypical size, great arm, extremely accurate, or any of those things. What made Hoyer look as good as he did for those couple games was his HEART and his QUICK RELEASE.
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In a "fair" QB competition-- Hoyer still loses out, because in july he just cannot show his strengths off like a QB with an arm can.
If Hoyer came in and played like he did, what do you think he'd do with some more experience? I thought Hoyer was fairly accurate from the most part. Weeden had "prototypical" size as you suggest, but I don't recall Hoyer having any balls being batted down like Brandon did. You mention arm, I don't recall Weeden (with his big arm) - making the offense move or provide any type of spark like Hoyer did.
You said he looked good cause he played with HEART and QUICK RELEASE, which yeah I couldn't possibly agree more... but what you failed to mention is that he showed some IQ out there and was able to make those quick releases cause he had an idea of what the defense was going to do and what it likely would give up or give a weakness to exploit. He showed you the ability to extend plays with his feet too and he was the best pocket passer we've seen of the other qbs. Weeden and other big arm qbs can't do a checkdown pass if their life depended on it. I don't think Hoyer has a cannon, but I don't think arm strength should be a major if much of a big concern. He's made great throws including some deep out routes, which is one of the hardest to throw and if my memory serves me, he was accurate.
However, if Hoyer loses out then I am not going to get mad and i'll view whoever beat him to be hopeful if the competition was fair. If this happens, then I am also happy with Hoyer as a backup. Either or, it's a win-win really.
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I thought ball placement was Hoyer's best attribute which is an indicator of a good QB. His completions are usually on the money. He puts the ball in a place where the pass catcher can make a play. Its not something that Weeden or Campbell did well.
The reason he was successful in the short term was that his passes moved the offense. We had players playing better with him on the field. He improved the offense, and gave it confidence.
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My reasoning is this:
What makes Hoyer a good QB? We have too small of a sample size, but from what we did see, his strengths werent prototypical size, great arm, extremely accurate, or any of those things. What made Hoyer look as good as he did for those couple games was his HEART and his QUICK RELEASE.
I think the single biggest thing that made Hoyer look so good is Weeden.
Granted, Hoyer's quick release really helped things, but man, I can't help but feel that so much of the hype & hope attached to him is simply the result of the stark comparison between his play and Weeden's
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My reasoning is this:
What makes Hoyer a good QB? We have too small of a sample size, but from what we did see, his strengths werent prototypical size, great arm, extremely accurate, or any of those things. What made Hoyer look as good as he did for those couple games was his HEART and his QUICK RELEASE.
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In a "fair" QB competition-- Hoyer still loses out, because in july he just cannot show his strengths off like a QB with an arm can.
If Hoyer came in and played like he did, what do you think he'd do with some more experience? I thought Hoyer was fairly accurate from the most part. Weeden had "prototypical" size as you suggest, but I don't recall Hoyer having any balls being batted down like Brandon did. You mention arm, I don't recall Weeden (with his big arm) - making the offense move or provide any type of spark like Hoyer did.
You said he looked good cause he played with HEART and QUICK RELEASE, which yeah I couldn't possibly agree more... but what you failed to mention is that he showed some IQ out there and was able to make those quick releases cause he had an idea of what the defense was going to do and what it likely would give up or give a weakness to exploit. He showed you the ability to extend plays with his feet too and he was the best pocket passer we've seen of the other qbs. Weeden and other big arm qbs can't do a checkdown pass if their life depended on it. I don't think Hoyer has a cannon, but I don't think arm strength should be a major if much of a big concern. He's made great throws including some deep out routes, which is one of the hardest to throw and if my memory serves me, he was accurate.
However, if Hoyer loses out then I am not going to get mad and i'll view whoever beat him to be hopeful if the competition was fair. If this happens, then I am also happy with Hoyer as a backup. Either or, it's a win-win really.
I dont disagree with you on a lot of that-- but again, i dont think those things you mentioned about hoyer show up in camp.
1) his football IQ may be pretty good, but hey three 3 INTs his first game, and if i remember correctly 1 or 2 of them were simply because he didnt read the zone, and was baited pretty badly. but for arguments sake, ok lets say he does have a really good football IQ. i dont think that gets used as much during camp as it does during the season.
2)Arm and Size. Weeden doesnt matter in this at all any more. The fact is, he doesnt have a rocket arm, and he doesnt have prototypical size by any means. He didnt show me the ability to extend plays with his feet, because when he did he tore his ACL...
3) His ability to throw a checkdown isnt going to wow coaches in camp. imo. Yes, i like a QB who can do that, but in camp its not going to win a job. The QB isnt worried about getting sacked in summer like he is during the real thing, so i dont see a checkdown battle winning it for any QB.
Again, im not knocking his game, im just trying to show why i dont think he is a very impressive QB in July and August, when the decision on who should start is taking place. I have concerns about Carr's heart and will, for example. But, im better a guy like Derek Carr is going to look REALLY GOOD in the summer, when he isnt worrying about taking a sack. He instead throws a ton of pretty passes, and no one really looks at the guy (like hoyer) who puts the heat on when the games on the line. Guys like hoyer get overlooked in camp because the things they do best are not whats being looked at most closely during the summer.
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I think the single biggest thing that made Hoyer look so good is Weeden.
Granted, Hoyer's quick release really helped things, but man, I can't help but feel that so much of the hype & hope attached to him is simply the result of the stark comparison between his play and Weeden's
Weeden made average look great. That's exactly what we saw.
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I know. I wasn't talking about the dog. I just wanted to know if it was a Quote from The Wizard of Oz?
What's unusual about that?
Sorry that was me,
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It'a all greek to me
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5 TD's and 3 picks? He has a lot to prove.
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I don't know if Hoyer is anywhere near a long term answer but for what it's worth, I felt better with him under center than with either Weeden or Campbell..
I cannot put my finger on why I felt that way. Looking at his career so far, there isn't anything there that should make me feel that way.
Guess we'll see
I can tell you why. He got the ball out quickly and he knew where he was throwing the ball when he threw it.
The team played better with him as QB and the team won every game that he started. It's not hard to understand. It's not like he lit up anyone with 450 yards passing. That's not his game. He simply played good sound football and his teammates responded. The team won just a single game after he went down. One.
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I think the single biggest thing that made Hoyer look so good is Weeden.
Granted, Hoyer's quick release really helped things, but man, I can't help but feel that so much of the hype & hope attached to him is simply the result of the stark comparison between his play and Weeden's
lol, sadly this is very true. It wasn't so much that Hoyer was that good, just that the fans wanted anyone but Weeden (and Campbell wasn't as exciting to watch as Hoyer either).
That's how I was. Hoyer was something new, he had a very different style than Weeden, different background, and he also had the local boy allure. He didn't have much of a chance to play, but he did pretty well.
The one thing I do think Hoyer definitely has going for him, and I hope Petitine recognizes this. The guy came in mid-way through training camp. He might look better with a full set of OTA's and a full camp.
But I wouldn't let Hoyer keep us from drafting a franchise QB, that's for sure. But I also wouldn't just hand our franchise QB the reins. I do think Hoyer deserves a fair chance to show what he can do.
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My reasoning is this:
What makes Hoyer a good QB? We have too small of a sample size, but from what we did see, his strengths werent prototypical size, great arm, extremely accurate, or any of those things. What made Hoyer look as good as he did for those couple games was his HEART and his QUICK RELEASE.
I think the single biggest thing that made Hoyer look so good is Weeden.
Granted, Hoyer's quick release really helped things, but man, I can't help but feel that so much of the hype & hope attached to him is simply the result of the stark comparison between his play and Weeden's
I don't see much hype about him. I see hope, but no hype. I actually don't know of anyone that is saying "HE's the MAN'! I hear a whole lotta HOPE that he is. I hope so also.
But then I always root for the hometown kid.. Nothing wrong with that.
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5 TD's and 3 picks? He has a lot to prove.
He has to prove he can do the job consistently. The three picks were in a single game and the team WON the game. How many games has Brandon Weeden or Jason Campbell won after throwing 3 picks?
I will say this much, if Hoyer hadn't gone down with an injury, the team likely would have been in the playoff hunt (if not IN the playoffs) last season. The team finished 4-12, but was 3-2 after the Buffalo game where he was injured. There were 11 games to follow and if the team goes just 6-5 in those games, they end with 9 wins. If they manage to go 7-4, they are certainly in with 10 wins.
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He has to prove he can do the job consistently. The three picks were in a single game and the team WON the game. How many games has Brandon Weeden or Jason Campbell won after throwing 3 picks?
I will say this much, if Hoyer hadn't gone down with an injury, the team likely would have been in the playoff hunt (if not IN the playoffs) last season. The team finished 4-12, but was 3-2 after the Buffalo game where he was injured. There were 11 games to follow and if the team goes just 6-5 in those games, they end with 9 wins. If they manage to go 7-4, they are certainly in with 10 wins.
OK, I stand corrected, there is some hype
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Hoyer's ability to process information quickly is what separated Hoyer from our other two QBs last season. Hoyer's pre-snap reads were outstanding..his ability to read the defenses and know where to go with the ball.
Browns fans were not accustom to see that kind of play out of the QB position. We see veteran QBs like Manning and Brady play the game with that type of anticipation, but I can't think of one Browns QB (since 99) who showed the ability...until Hoyer got a chance to start.
I hope he can pick up where he left off before the injury...and stay healthy.
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Is that a quote from The Wizard of Oz?
He said todo not TOTO LOL
I know. I wasn't talking about the dog. I just wanted to know if it was a Quote from The Wizard of Oz?
What's unusual about that?
Sorry that was me,
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It'a all greek to me
Oh sure, now you want to bring the Greeks into the comment.. Geesh
The bigger questions is, why is Daman throwing up thread and why was Dawg_LB about to?? Is it an eating disorder of some type? My advice: Daman & Dawg_LB, stop eating thread.
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The ideal scenario would be that Hoyer somehow proves that we don't need a new starting QB in minicamps and we draft someone else.
I don't see anyway that can happen.
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well, i guess the FO see's hoyer as hopefully the starter, baring a complete takeover from a rookie QB. it appears we didn't even attempt to sign some of the FA Qb's out there. so there's that.
man nothing would be better than seeing a local kid lead us to a playoff appearance. one can only dream.
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What's unusual about that?
Sorry that was me,
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Oh sure, now you want to bring the Greeks into the comment.. Geesh
The bigger questions is, why is Daman throwing up thread and why was Dawg_LB about to?? Is it an eating disorder of some type? My advice: Daman & Dawg_LB, stop eating thread.
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im glad to hear hoyers knee is rehabbing well, and love his motivation.
but im not sure theres a ton Hoyer can prove to them in april, whether his knee is 110% or not. Hell, even if he never injured his knee, but instead only had a chance to start the last 2 games, and played the exact same as he did.
I cannot imagine our coaching staff and front office teetering back and forth between wanting to get a franchise qb early, or not getting one. I think they recognize the severity of the situation, and how important it is not only to our success next year, but also how important it is to them if they want to keep their jobs.
They know how important the QB position is. Because of that, i dont think there is anything Hoyer can show them, in April, that will change their mind about drafting a QB, or where they draft one.
He can show he has a grasp on the new playbook. This is a completely different offense from last year. If we draft a QB at #4 then Hoyer is just stop gap if that. You don't draft a QB that high and sit him for years.... If we wait until #26 or the 2nd round then Hoyer has a chance to become the starter if he can play at a high level in our new O. How we draft will tell a lot about Hoyer's future with the Browns. If they think Hoyer can play in this offense then they probably will wait to take a QB. If they think he's strictly backup material then look for them to take a QB at #4.
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He threw those three picks the first game he was thrown into which I am sure he wasn't even aware he was going to play. Keep in mind also if my memory serves me, Jason was taking all the reps that weren't given to Weeden with the number ones too, so he had limited, if any, practice time with the starter group. JMO Quote:
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he was thrown into which I am sure he wasn't even aware he was going to play. Keep in mind also if my memory serves me
Not thrown in there - He new early on in the week well we can assume he knew cause it was announced to all of us by mid-week he was starting and Campbell being by passed. He was there for the weekly game plan and preparation. Which too many just don't consider as value. Its part of Leadership and why he was 3-0.. He got the team to prepare correctly and once he got his first hit in - He was more comfortable the 2nd game as was the team.
It is this reason I think he will be the starter going in....regardless of #4 or 26 or 35 pick...Can he be beat out by the rookie? Sure but I doubt it. At least not the first several games. Maybe somewhere down the road and Hoyer is doing shaky results.
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Not thrown in there - He new early on in the week well we can assume he knew cause it was announced to all of us by mid-week he was starting and Campbell being by passed.
Actually you're 100% right. I was thinking Weeden hurt his thumb and Hoyer came into the game. Duh, memory took a big dump on me there ha ha ha... thanks bro for the correction.
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and why he was 2-0
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Fixed it for you.
Seriously... I like Hoyer but it really bothers me when peeps try to say Hoyer was 3-0. No he wasn't. He barely played in that 3rd game and we were losing when he got hurt! It's cheap to try to give him credit for that win. Even if it's technically accurate to say "we won all 3 games that Hoyer started"..... it's just significantly misleading to anyone that doesn't know the truth.
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It's cheap to try to give him credit for that win.
So we must give Weeden credit for that win. Sounds only fair...
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It's cheap to try to give him credit for that win.
So we must give Weeden credit for that win. Sounds only fair...
As much as folks dislike that idea, yes, we do. HE won that game, not Hoyer.
I know that will stick in a bunch of folks' craw, but it is what it is. Anyone can slam a guy, but you gotta give credit where it is due, too.
Just like Gordon's big games (the back-to-back 200+ yd games) came with Weeden at the helm - not Hoyer or Campbell.
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Weeden did have a couple nice throws in the 2nd half of that game and I completely agree that he deserves credit for that win even though the official NFL statistic gives it to Hoyer. Then, that game ended and he showed the 1st half of that game was more indicative of his normal skillset 
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I dont disagree with you on a lot of that-- but again, i dont think those things you mentioned about hoyer show up in camp.
Sorry man, but this doesn't make any sense to me. If BH can't impress anyone in camp then what makes you think anyone else can? Unless I'm missing something, BH has the bigger edge on any comp. simply by being here last yr. and having pretty good tape to go by. I have to agree with Daman that you just knew we are a better Team with BH in there than anyone else. It's gonna be hard to replace that with a Rookie. Like you said, It's gonna be hard to impress anyone unless you go head to head and no one is going to get to do that until pre-season.
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and why he was 2-0
Fixed it for you.
Seriously... I like Hoyer but it really bothers me when peeps try to say Hoyer was 3-0. No he wasn't. He barely played in that 3rd game and we were losing when he got hurt! It's cheap to try to give him credit for that win. Even if it's technically accurate to say "we won all 3 games that Hoyer started"..... it's just significantly misleading to anyone that doesn't know the truth.
I'm not saying that he deserves it, but in the 'record books', he goes down as a 3-0 QB.
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As I said earlier, technically that is correct but the reality is that he did not win that game. That's not a knock on Hoyer... it's just a fact.
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