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If Clowney is there, I take Clowney. I would not move down at all, there is absolutely no reason for it. Anyone we want to "Move down for" we can use our 26 pick to package and move UP for them.
No more waiting for next year. I am sick of going to games, spending hundreds of dollars to watch a crap team get their ass kicked with the hopes of "Next years draft".
Every other team is going all out and we're hoping for next year...again, I'm sick of it.
LMAO. I feel your pain man. WE ALL DO.
Clowney at 4? I take that deal with Atlanta and grab our QB at 6 for an extra 2. Why? I think Clowney is an all about ME type of player. He reeks selfishness in all interviews. I DO NOT LIKE THIS DUDE. If he goes to Houston #1, Mr. Watt is going to light some electricity under his ass and straighten his "Look at me" attitude out real quick.
I'm with VERS. I HATE Clowney.
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why do we always want to trade down?
why can't we finally start taking elite playmakers with the picks we have? i want elite 1st round and 2nd round talent who can push to start day one. i'm personally sick of the trading back game for next year when we still suck THIS year.
If we trade back, I don't want it for next year. I want it for this year.
First, if we trade back from #4, I only want it a few picks and pick up a 2nd rounder. If we mobe back 3 picks, I want to Brows to have 3 targets they would be happy with so we are sure to get one of them.
Then use the added 2nd to move up from 26.
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From what I gather it would take multiple trade down scenarios to accomplish and nearly impossible to achieve.
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If we can trade down and get future picks and/or more picks in the first three rounds of this draft we have to do it. This draft is deep enough where we should be able to get several starters.
Also, I'm not in love with anyone we would be taking with the fourth pick. It would be really great if we could trade to the 8-12 range and draft Gilbert or Dennard.
I like Mack. I also wouldn't be upset with Clowney if he's there and Mack isn't. I wouldn't be upset with either of the OTs or Bortles either. If the Browns are sold on Derek Carr at #4, I can't say that I'd be upset.
I'd be a little shocked, quite frankly, if they drafted any QB at #4, but that's a different discussion.
I don't like any WR at #4. The class is so deep, you don't have to take one at #4. If you ask me, that would be a wasted selection.
I'd be quite satisfied if the Browns traded back. I'm going to state something that I'm sure everyone will disagree with (and I'll take some laughs over) and it doesn't bother me.
I wouldn't be so upset if they even traded completely out of the first round (yes, I know, they have two first rounders) and acquired more selections this year and next and even in two years out (or even three years). Pile those picks up. Acquire 15 picks this year, accumulate 15 for next season and even tack on some for two drafts out.
OK, first and foremost...#4
IF they are not in love with a QB, then I would agree 100% with a trade down. If they can pick up another 2nd rounder, I would be all for it. No single player in this draft (except imho Manziel, Bridgewater and Watkins) to advance this team as much as moving down 2-5 spots STILL getting a talent that would be on par with what you take at #4 (unless you take one of the 3 I mentioned above) and then this talent rich deep draft, adding another stud in the 2nd round. Those two players could potentially vastly improve any other single player taken at #4.
Now, as far as the far-fetched trade out of the first round scenario...
Are you out of your freaking mind?
This is the deepest talent draft in 20 years...Future picks? What good does future picks do 2 years from now when you can get 2 in this years draft that would "most likely" be better than a top 5 in years and still be 2 years behind in their development over that better player?
Look, this is "THE DRAFT". For whatever reason, the stars came together and all of these underclassmen had an epiphany to get a head start on that second contract. One problem they probably didn't anticipate was that everyone else had the same idea. So now we have guys who were expected to go top 15-20 who will be available in the 2nd round, guys who expected to go in the 2nd round available in the 4th round and it just keeps going for 7 rounds...
Don't be surprised if teams are getting starters well into the 6th round of this draft. Now, I am not saying the entire 6th round will be equal to a normal 2nd round...But the odds of a top tier talent sliding there are greater with the sheer number of highly talented individuals.
I'm not sure the subsequent draft prospects will chance it like this class did...
Once they see teammates that were talking about being high picks go two rounds lower than expected, their outlook WILL change.
We need to use as many resources as possible to get as many of this years draft in house. Then you can begin your attack on the future draft pick arsenal starting in 2015.
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From what I gather it would take multiple trade down scenarios to accomplish and nearly impossible to achieve.
It's so ridiculous the only explanation I can come up with is trolling, so I won't feed into it.
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Are they really "losing favor" though? Do we KNOW that?
Mike Zimmer of Minnesota puts out that Johnny Manziel has a lot of "flags" so OBVIOUSLY theres noooo way Minnesota is ganna draft him at 8...right?
See what I mean?
I have no idea what any teams board looks like.. just stating that in the national media among former players and people who get paid to follow such things, the QB class in general is seeing the top 3 slide back closer to the next group as far as draft slotting... obviously one or more of them will get drafted high.. maybe it will be a wise pick, maybe it will be a reach.. no way to know yet.
But go look at the Andrew Luck draft.. he started at the top and people actually tried to find weaknesses, things to ding him on and they couldn't.. this group isn't even close to that. Each one has some fairly big ???? about them and now that the QB love fest is over, they are starting to be discussed...
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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle, one of the most respected NFL writers in the country and a guy who is as plugged in to the team he covers as anyone in the business, projects Manziel to the Texans with the first overall pick in the draft.
I'm beyond okay with that. Johnny Football and it makes Bridgewater just a few steps closer to being able to acquire (hopefully).
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At this point we can probably get Bridgewater at 26.
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OK, first and foremost...#4
IF they are not in love with a QB, then I would agree 100% with a trade down. If they can pick up another 2nd rounder, I would be all for it. No single player in this draft (except imho Manziel, Bridgewater and Watkins) to advance this team as much as moving down 2-5 spots STILL getting a talent that would be on par with what you take at #4 (unless you take one of the 3 I mentioned above) and then this talent rich deep draft, adding another stud in the 2nd round. Those two players could potentially vastly improve any other single player taken at #4.
And you think Manziel, Bridgewater or Watkins improve this team? Okay. That's safe for you. That's what all the morons have kept saying. Manziel and Bridgewater aren't first round talents. Watkins is a WR in a class that goes 4 (or 5) rounds deep. Why take one at #4? That makes no sense at all. Not even if he's a clone of Josh Gordon but without any suspension concerns.
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Now, as far as the far-fetched trade out of the first round scenario...
Are you out of your freaking mind?
I never stated that it was likely. I don't think it's very possible at all. From your perspective, I must be out of my mind.
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This is the deepest talent draft in 20 years...Future picks? What good does future picks do 2 years from now when you can get 2 in this years draft that would "most likely" be better than a top 5 in years and still be 2 years behind in their development over that better player?
Yes. Future picks. How are we in position to get the players that you're talking about? You get them by accumulating selections in future years. And you even state above that this is the 'deepest talent draft' in 20 years (I don't necessarily agree with the 20 years part of your assessment), but still this is, as you say, a 'deep talent class'. Why not trade back to get superb talent (which will be there in the 2nd round) and accumulate selections in the deal(s)?
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Look, this is "THE DRAFT". For whatever reason, the stars came together and all of these underclassmen had an epiphany to get a head start on that second contract. One problem they probably didn't anticipate was that everyone else had the same idea. So now we have guys who were expected to go top 15-20 who will be available in the 2nd round, guys who expected to go in the 2nd round available in the 4th round and it just keeps going for 7 rounds...
You know that you're arguing against your own viewpoint, right?
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Don't be surprised if teams are getting starters well into the 6th round of this draft. Now, I am not saying the entire 6th round will be equal to a normal 2nd round...But the odds of a top tier talent sliding there are greater with the sheer number of highly talented individuals.
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I'm not sure the subsequent draft prospects will chance it like this class did...
Once they see teammates that were talking about being high picks go two rounds lower than expected, their outlook WILL change.
We need to use as many resources as possible to get as many of this years draft in house. Then you can begin your attack on the future draft pick arsenal starting in 2015.
We can do that in this draft and still have plenty of selections to have made in future years.
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At this point we can probably get Bridgewater at 26.
Or in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round.
No offense to all of Teddy Bridgewater's boyfriends but you're going to look bad when he looks like a total failure in 2 years. He might hang around because someone will need a sub-par QB on their roster to make their bad starter look better.
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At this point we can probably get Bridgewater at 26.
Or in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round.
No offense to all of Teddy Bridgewater's boyfriends but you're going to look bad when he looks like a total failure in 2 years. He might hang around because someone will need a sub-par QB on their roster to make their bad starter look better.
Do you even realize how dumb you make yourself sound in some of your posts?
Make a reasonable argument and you wouldn't receive nearly as many negative posts back. Your "opinion" is backed by nothing.
What makes Bridgewater a 2nd round or lower draft prospect?
Because I can state from watching game film, I see him as a top 5 overall prospect in one of the best drafts in decades based on:
His ability to read a defense and adjust at the line of scrimmage.
His ability to go through progressions consistently to find an open target.
His innate ability to stay calm in a collapsing pocket that most in his shoes would have already tucked and run. This cannot be understated, the man simply never panics.
His uncanny accuracy from multiple real game situations. Don't tell me he didn't look good at his pro day...did you even watch it? It was no where near the catastrophe every one was reporting. Watch game film, it is quite simply the opposite of what they have stated.
His ability to scramble while still surveying down field. His head always stays up while avoiding rushers.
His work ethic is on par with Luck and Manning. He is a scholar of the game and of his opponents.
Need, I go on? Because I would have a hard time believeing you would find more than 6 QBs over the past ten years that have that type of scouting report on them based on game film and not a fly by night talking head ranking.
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Fact is, if Houston takes Manziel 1st overall, it will be more about hype, marketing and ticket sales than anything.
Bridgewater is the best QB in this draft bar none. The film proves it. He has improved every year and played in an O that he will see in the NFL.
People have "made up" question marks for the sake of having something to talk about. Those that actually watched him play extensively know better.
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Fact is, if Houston takes Manziel 1st overall, it will be more about hype, marketing and ticket sales than anything.
If any team takes any player for the above reasons then everyone needs to be fired. If they take Manziel 1st overall it is because they think he is the best QB.
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Bridgewater is the best QB in this draft bar none. The film proves it. He has improved every year and played in an O that he will see in the NFL.
Bridgewater's question marks are real. People (not me) are concerned about his size and arm strength. If Bridgewater was really the best QB in the draft bar none then there would be no question who would go #1 overall.
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Those that actually watched [Bridgewater] play extensively know better.
I am guessing that people working for NFL teams have watched Bridgewater play extensively in multiple different settings (in person, on tape, at pro days, etc.). They are the ones who will ultimately decide where Bridgewater goes. Many reports are saying that these NFL people are concerned about Bridgewater being able to perform in the NFL.
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[Bridgewater] has improved every year and played in an O that he will see in the NFL.
He has played in a pro style offense, but that doesn't mean the pros only use that offense. Most NFL teams use the spread just as much if not more than they use a traditional pro offense.
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I won't go by what, as Tab would say, "the BOZO'S report".
Their goal is to create hits on their web sites and readership to boost their own worth. Not so much as inform us. If they didn't change their draft boards and mocks, who would bother to follow it?
We'll see on draft day and as these QB's careers develop.
And let's face it, even if they're repeating what they are actually hearing, is any NFL GM going to tip his hand and tell you what he really thinks?
I highly doubt you'll see that happen with one exception. When the team with the #1 overall pick begins negotiating with the player they plan to pick.
I've been watching this process for decades. It's the same story every year. So I've learned not to pay attention to all of these "supposed changes" after the NCAA season ends.
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He goes through his progressions like no other in this draft class. He's the most "football smart" than any other QB in this draft class and his completion percentage is off the charts in a pro style offense.
And no, NFL teams don't use the spread as much as the NCAA does or as much as other pro style O's. Some have QB's that demand they use that style, but not as many as you would like to make it sound.
And I suppose they don't expect their QB's to make multiple reads through progression? You can go on and on if you like. Nothing changes which QB in this draft class is the most NFL ready. And that's Bridgewater.
The game film proves it.
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I've been watching this process for decades. It's the same story every year. So I've learned not to pay attention to all of these "supposed changes" after the NCAA season ends.
If Bridgewater is as good as you (and others) say he is, then there would be no question about who the #1 pick would be. After watching this process for decades you should know that as well. Instead no one knows who the first QB taken is going to be.
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You nailed it, cfrs.
Usually, if the team holding the #1 pick is sold on a guy (especially if it's a QB), then there's no question. You'll hear stories about them talking contract, not how they're considering every option under the sun (different guys, trade down, etc).
I believe that Bridgewater is the best QB, but now I'm not so sure that the Texans believe that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Pit most of us have been watching the draft for decades and many of us have been coming here for over a decade.. and a couple things I can tell you..
They are bozos when they disagree with you, they are sources when they don't.
I don't remember too many drafts that had this much volatility at/near the top with guys not just jockeying based on pro days and based on FA signings but moving from top 5 to second round and back.. being the #2 pick in one guys mock and not even in the first round in others.. it's a bit unusual.
I think that says one thing.. this is a tremendously deep and talented draft but almost no sure things at the top.. in fact, Robinson and Watkins have been the two most consistently included in the top 5 with Clowney behind them but the QBs have been all over the map... the general consensus is that none are probably top 5 worthy but teams will reach for a QB, which is why this volatility is taking place.
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No one has it in for Bridgewater but there were already some that believed he was a warm weather QB before his horrible workout where he made a 10 yard out look painful. To expect people to ignore what may have been one of the worst pro days I ever witnessed is asking to much.
The guy is a touch passer and lofting the ball the way he does, simply doesnt work in this division. He may play for the Jags, Texans or Titans and have a wonderful career but put him in a Browns uniform and his bust potential skyrockets.
I love the kid and he has been top 2 or 3 on my board all year but as far as the Browns are concerned, I would not take him in the first. If you spend a top 5 pick on a kid you better be asking all the questions. Is his arm strong enough for Cleveland in Nov and Dec? I say no. Everyone says watch the tape but the tape has a whole lot of powder puff throws in there as well.
I have similar questions about Bortles. I dont trust that he has the accuracy to be an effective QB at the next level. he has a below average arm and bad accuracy. I think he is a high risk QB and should probably go late first to early 2nd. I would probably take him off my board completely to be honest.
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If you make a statement that Manziel and Bridgewater are not first round talents, well that makes you the moron, not me.
Okay. I'm a moron in your eyes. I'm glad that I'm not alone in my assessment of Bridgewater or Manziel (Aikman and Jaworski). Take it for what it's worth (and I'm sure it's nothing), but I don't think that these guys are morons.
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My opinion is actually not very popular, but if you watch film on every QB in this draft and the past 10 years, you will see skills that elevate these two above the majority of first round QBs taken.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
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If you spend time watching even more film on the remaining non-QB prospects, you will also see shortcomings in each of them. You make it sound as if these 2 QBs are 3rd round talents and the rest of the top prospects are can't miss. You sir are ignorant on these prospects if you truly believe that.
You haven't read much of what I've written about the QBs, have you? I don't particularly like any of them at #4 (or even at #26), but that's not the discussion, is it? It's about having an infatuation (there's a Rod Stewart tune there somewhere) over your little boys.
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As for Watkins at #4, I can line up 15 prospects at every single position in this draft, it comes down to their potential and skills. I agree we could take 7 other WRs, that aren't Sammy Watkins, and they could succeed as much as Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi.
Or as well as Braylon Edwards. Do you see how your silliness works against you?
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It really doesn't make me feel better that there are PLENTY of lessor WRs available later, so we should take a lessor prospect if my two top prospects on my board are gone and he is available, but there are others less talented available later.
Lesser? I could tell you of at least 20 WRs that will be as good or better than Watkins at the NFL level. And I don't care what you or some imbecilic self-proclaimed 'draft guru' has to say about it.
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This team is building, you don't pass on the absolute best at a position of need when that player is rated in the top 3 on your board. I will be shocked if Sammy Watkins isn't rated that highly on 80% of the scouts draft boards who really matter. I also don't think a single one of them would tell their boss..pass on him, because there are 11 more available wide receivers who are not nearly as good as him later in the draft. Especially when factoring in the next pick you have is 22 picks later and out of those 22, there are about 15 teams in need of a WR in a pass happy 21st Century NFL.
And Khalil Mack is going to be rated higher than any of the QBs, WRs or even OTs in this draft. If he's there at #4, the Browns should take him. I think it's possible that they will. I highly doubt that they take one of your 'pretty boys' at #4, whether it's Watkins, Bridgewater or Manziel - even if EVERY one of them is available. But I digress. We'll have to wait until May 9th at about 9pm to find out, I think.
Now if you want to debate with me that Sammy Watkins is on a close playing field with say Odell Beckham Jr. or Brandon Cooks, we can have that debate...But don't say I am a moron for evaluating the QBs the way I have after watching hours of actual game film on them, and dismissing a top tier WR talent based on YOUR ARGUMENT that there are other prospects available at his position later in the draft...
That is true of every prospect at the #4 position.
Name me one position where there won't be another one available at #26..Please, I would love to see you come up with this argument...
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Yes. Future picks. How are we in position to get the players that you're talking about? You get them by accumulating selections in future years. And you even state above that this is the 'deepest talent draft' in 20 years (I don't necessarily agree with the 20 years part of your assessment), but still this is, as you say, a 'deep talent class'. Why not trade back to get superb talent (which will be there in the 2nd round) and accumulate selections in the deal(s)?
You know that you're arguing against your own viewpoint, right?
You're starting to get my point, aren't you? Maybe you're losing your mind too!
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You were talking about trading for FUTURE DRAFT PICKS as in 2015 and even TWO years from now...
How's that RG3 trade working out for Washington? How about for the Rams? How can someone be so shortsighted not to recognize that the door in front of them is wide open?
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By passing on higher level talent, which could solidify a position for years, as opposed to settling for starters who you will want to replace in two years.
You mean, like Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden? Maybe you mean Greg Little (sure, I know he's been here for three years). Did you want him replaced last year? How about this year?
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I am saying that it is plausible that immediate future drafts will be desolate of talent, due to the influx or early entry talent in this draft. So, now you give up a top 5 pick in what IS BEING CALLED ARGUABLY THE EST DRAFT IN 20 YEARS, for a future first round pick and a lessor talent. The future first round pick may not even be first round worthy. This year with the commodity you have at your disposal, you know they have been evaluated as worthy. Now, take a pick from say Atlanta who everyone knows SHOULD be in the playoffs in 2015 and that top tier draft pick turns into a crap low end first round pick in a talentless draft...what have you accomplished?
Lesser talent? I guess that draft position, in your eyes, equates to lesser talent. You sir, are a fool. Goodbye. Also, you might want to use a spell-checker if you don't know how to spell words. I could easily enough forgive a misspelling once, but not repeated misspellings of the same word.
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Then you want to do it over and over until you have taken the pick right out of the first round completely...makes no sense.
Ask someone that cares to waste time with you what my draft strategy has quite openly been. I'm sure they'll tell you that it's foolish, but maybe they can simply it enough so you can figure it out.
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I've been watching this process for decades. It's the same story every year. So I've learned not to pay attention to all of these "supposed changes" after the NCAA season ends.
If Bridgewater is as good as you (and others) say he is, then there would be no question about who the #1 pick would be. After watching this process for decades you should know that as well. Instead no one knows who the first QB taken is going to be.
I have a pretty good idea and it isn't Bridgewater or Manziel.
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Right. But it's not 100% like it was when Luck was available.
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Right. But it's not 100% like it was when Luck was available.
That's true, but there were those, even after Luck was said to be the #1 overall pick that were saying it could be a smoke screen. It's the reason why there was talk about who would be available for the Redskins at #2 (after they traded for the pick). The believe was that the Redskins would take either RG3 or Luck whoever was available. It became moot when the Colts announced that they were taking Luck.
Don't kill the messenger.
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Even then we knew that Luck and Griffin were going to go 1-2. The debate was probably just drummed up to give the draft at least some drama. The week leading up to the draft everyone knew Luck was the pick.
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The thing that bothers me most about Bridgewater's pro day is how he handled it afterwards.
He should have said something along the lines of: Yea, I stunk it up but I will show teams at their private workouts that today was an aberration.
Instead, he makes a bunch of excuses about gloves (lack thereof) etc.
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Even then we knew that Luck and Griffin were going to go 1-2. The debate was probably just drummed up to give the draft at least some drama. The week leading up to the draft everyone knew Luck was the pick.
I think some of it was drummed up by the Rams to increase the value of the #2 overall selection. Remember, the Redskins bought early on (in early March - nearly 7 weeks before the draft). It also helped that Indy released Manning and that Washington found out that they weren't going to get him.
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Either way, the top ten of this draft is a total clusteryouknowwhat as of right now.
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I felt the glove thing really wasnt him making excuses but a lot of folks making excuses for him. They kept asking over and over why didnt you wear the glove? Did not wearing the glove effect your throwing today? They served them up and it really wasnt him making the excuses.
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Either way, the top ten of this draft is a total clusteryouknowwhat as of right now.
Well, that's because all these talking heads and such think they know more than they do.
It's a crap shoot almost every year with these folks. I won't tell you to go back and look where they all said that Geno Smith would be taken.
Of course, they all say that the Browns will certainly take a QB at #4. Now, some of them are changing tunes. Others are saying that the Browns might now wait to take one in the 2nd round - or even later. Of course, these same brilliant minds were saying that the Browns were, with 100% certainty, going to take a QB at #4.
Truth is that they don't know their own crap from a hole in the ground.
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I think they figure out more as the process plays out. In the beginning of the off-season they just assigned QBs to teams they thought needed them. Now they are getting actual information from teams (whether it is accurate or not is another question) and using it in their projections.
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I think they figure out more as the process plays out. In the beginning of the off-season they just assigned QBs to teams they thought needed them. Now they are getting actual information from teams (whether it is accurate or not is another question) and using it in their projections.
You might be right, but how can they get it so wrong year-after-year and still try to maintain some credibility?
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Do you think Bridgewater is injured?
The pushing the ball thing you noted seems unusual to me.
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Right. But it's not 100% like it was when Luck was available.
I wonder, is that because of the spin machines or is it because Luck was honestly considered a can't miss QB?
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Either way, the top ten of this draft is a total clusteryouknowwhat as of right now.
Well, that's because all these talking heads and such think they know more than they do.
It's a crap shoot almost every year with these folks. I won't tell you to go back and look where they all said that Geno Smith would be taken.
Of course, they all say that the Browns will certainly take a QB at #4. Now, some of them are changing tunes. Others are saying that the Browns might now wait to take one in the 2nd round - or even later. Of course, these same brilliant minds were saying that the Browns were, with 100% certainty, going to take a QB at #4.
Truth is that they don't know their own crap from a hole in the ground.
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The thing that bothers me most about Bridgewater's pro day is how he handled it afterwards.
He should have said something along the lines of: Yea, I stunk it up but I will show teams at their private workouts that today was an aberration.
Instead, he makes a bunch of excuses about gloves (lack thereof) etc.
I don't think Bridgewater made the excuses about gloves, I believe that was brought up by others and when he was asked about it he said he had become used to training without them.. if you have other information that's fine but I don't remember him using it as an excuse, I remember others using it as an excuse for him.
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I've been watching this process for decades. It's the same story every year. So I've learned not to pay attention to all of these "supposed changes" after the NCAA season ends.
If Bridgewater is as good as you (and others) say he is, then there would be no question about who the #1 pick would be. After watching this process for decades you should know that as well. Instead no one knows who the first QB taken is going to be.
Not exactly the case in this draft...
A) Johnny Manziel is a legitimate QB, without his leg work. With it and his leadership skills, the two are much closer than Luck and RGIII were. Add to that the pressure of Texas pride. Dismiss outside influence on Rick Smith, but this is Texas. Anyone live in Texas for any period of their life? Texas is a little country inside the USA. There are going to be highly influential people visiting Bob McNair and most all of them will be saying the same thing...Johnny Manziel is Texas pride and will lead this team. McNair has been a good owner, but he is also getting up in age and at any time can decide to step in and give his 2 cents. Don't underestimate the power of Manziel being home grown. In the end Rick Smith may not have a choice at all.
B) No team starts negotiating with a pick 4 weeks from the draft...That doesn't start until you are a few days out. Everyone expecting the Texans to just announce their pick a month before it takes place is being over dramatic. They have a business and that business is to make it muddy water, not crystal clear. If there is ANY team in this top ten who covets a player bar none over every other and feel it could be the #2 pick overall, they will negotiate with the Texans for that #1 pick. It is in the team's best interest to survey the offers. If one they simply can't refuse comes to light, they will take it...Would any of you NOT have accepted the Redskins offer to the Rams, that was ludicrous, I don't care who the player is. Taking away opportunities to surround that single player for 3 years doesn't help that top tier player in the least.
C) #1 overall draft pick will be a QB. Yes it will be debated, but in the end either Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater will be the #1 overall pick, simply because they are the two best players in this draft. Please stop with the Jadeveon Clowney BS, he is an athletic freak, but he is not even top 5 best football player in this draft. Anthony Barr is the best linebacker in this draft and he isn't top 5 either..
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The thing that bothers me most about Bridgewater's pro day is how he handled it afterwards.
He should have said something along the lines of: Yea, I stunk it up but I will show teams at their private workouts that today was an aberration.
Instead, he makes a bunch of excuses about gloves (lack thereof) etc.
I don't think Bridgewater made the excuses about gloves, I believe that was brought up by others and when he was asked about it he said he had become used to training without them.. if you have other information that's fine but I don't remember him using it as an excuse, I remember others using it as an excuse for him.
Yes, that is exactly what happened..
In fact Bridgewater said what he felt, he had a good workout. I watched it twice to try and find what all the talking heads were reporting on and I couldn't find it either. He had 3 really bad throws out of 65, Bortles had 5 bad throws out of 63 yet was praised for his workout...I saw very little difference between these two workout structures, yet one was viewed as exciting and elevated Bortles and the other was lackluster and dropped Bridgewater's draft status...It is all about the need to keep us all coming back and reading articles written about the draft for over 4 months...FOUR MONTHS is what is asked of these talking heads to keep us all interested. That is what drives this talk.
Bridgewater was the #1 QB going into 2012, he was projected as the #1 overall pick in 2013...he stayed in school and went into 2013 as the the #1 QB, he improved on his skill set from 2012 and left 2013 as the #1 prospect...then the off season started and chaos ensued...
You don't have to choose to follow the chaos, but most fans do.
You can simply use spare time to watch game film and voice your personal opinions instead of regurgitating the latest "report" on the draft status...but most don't do that either.
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I think it will be Clowney.
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