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Aaron Murray will throw at Georgia’s Pro Day Posted by Michael David Smith on April 5, 2014, 3:03 PM EDT Aaron Murray, Javon Mention AP Former Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray will throw at his school’s Pro Day on April 16, less than five months after suffering a torn ACL. Murray’s agent, Pat Dye Jr., told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that Murray has recovered sufficiently that he can drop back, roll out, plant his feet and throw. He’ll do all of that for NFL scouts. “He looks great,” said his Atlanta-based agent, Pat Dye Jr. “I mean his body composition looks great, his knee looks great, he’s moving around really well, he’s not favoring it at all. His strength and conditioning coaches and his movement coaches down there say they’ve very rarely had anybody come through there with the kind work ethic, drive and passion that he has. He not only will he be able to give them a representative workout at Pro Day, but he’ll be able to do all his drops and roll-outs. He’s not going to run the 40 or do any of the timed drills. There’s no point in that. But he’s throwing the ball great.” Murray was a four-year starter at Georgia, a three-time bowl game MVP and the SEC’s all-time leader in passing yards and passing touchdowns. His senior season was cut short when he blew out his knee on November 23, but if NFL teams are satisfied that he’s making good progress in his rehabilitation, he’ll be an intriguing quarterback prospect in this year’s draft. web page this is such big news for this kid. At the combines there were reports that he would be out at least one if not 2 years. I am very happy for Murray and he will be a steal for someone.
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this is such big news for this kid. At the combines there were reports that he would be out at least one if not 2 years. I am very happy for Murray and he will be a steal for someone.
I've always liked Murray and feel that he hasn't gotten much credit for how well he throws the football. Does he have a cannon? Nope, but he's still got a good arm. Ton of experience. And he's played against good competition.
Good for him.
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this is such big news for this kid. At the combines there were reports that he would be out at least one if not 2 years. I am very happy for Murray and he will be a steal for someone.
I've always liked Murray and feel that he hasn't gotten much credit for how well he throws the football. Does he have a cannon? Nope, but he's still got a good arm. Ton of experience. And he's played against good competition.
Good for him.
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X's 3... I want him a distant 2nd behind Johnny Football...
I like Murray, but not that much. Teddy Bridgewater is my number 1, after that I'm going to have to do some deciding between the next three.
But of the 5,6,7 guys, I'd probably put Murray at 5 or 6. And that's cause I dunno that Eastern Illinois guy really at all. I like the LSU QB, Mettenburger too. In fact any of those three sound good to me as a backup QB option. Murray, McCarron, Mettenburger, the three M's. And the guy whose stock plummeted Taj Boyd. He's better than he gets credit for too. He's not as good as the three M's, but he's worth taking a flyer on late in the draft.
I just think this is a deep QB class. Not all of them are starters out of the gate, but there's plenty of solid backups with potential in the mix
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"Plays against good competition." That's almost completly irrelevant to me when evaluating QBs. The SEC has produced some God awful QBs. Some of the biggest busts of all time. Maybe Newton and Stafford can change that trend.
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"Plays against good competition." That's almost completly irrelevant to me when evaluating QBs. The SEC has produced some God awful QBs. Some of the biggest busts of all time. Maybe Newton and Stafford can change that trend.
You see it as irrelevant, but I see it as at least good experience. While not a major factor, passing against high level corners (and dealing with how quickly they can close on the ball) has to be somewhat beneficial. Can't see how it wouldn't be
JMHO though.
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^ I agree.
As a bulldawg.. two things will haunt his success:
1) Arm Strength
2) His inability to win the "big games" ...
If he's there in the 5th round down, I'd draft him in a heart beat.
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2) His inability to win the "big games" ...
The guy's played a lot of games against good teams. Some you win, some you lose.
There are big games all the time in college football. Especially when you play in a major conference like the SEC. There's tons of very good teams. It's what I love about college football. Every game seems like a "big game" to me. lol
I mean, what was that game winning drive he had this year where he threw that touchdown on that slant route. Was that one against Tennessee? I thought that was a good one. Looking up some stuff on him, he finally beat South Carolina this year. That was a big game.
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They also had the game where they had Auburn beat and they had the crazy hail mary go against them.
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Murray is a hard guy to get a read on.
I would not be surprised if he either becomes a very good NFL QB or bombs.
He might be a good fit for a WCO.
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Murray kind of reminds of David Greene QB out of Georgia...threw all types of records at Georgia... Ironically Murray overtopped most of them...but rather weak arms...and coming off a rather big surgery...Throw I think Murray may be able to wing it further...Greene was a huge bust in the middle of the draft...I give Murray around a 4th round grade...maybe only ever be a backup at best.
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Murray kind of reminds of David Greene QB out of Georgia...threw all types of records at Georgia... Ironically Murray overtopped most of them...but rather weak arms...and coming off a rather big surgery...Throw I think Murray may be able to wing it further...Greene was a huge bust in the middle of the draft...I give Murray around a 4th round grade...maybe only ever be a backup at best.
See, Greene was a competitor and an athlete. But I don't think he's anywhere near the passer Murray is. Murray's far more accurate and has a stronger arm too. I always remember Greene doing a lot of stuff rolling out and throwing on the run. Murray is a stand in the pocket and strike guy.
That, and Greene's arm just isn't as good. One of those situations where, just because a guy doesn't have a cannon doesn't means he's only equipped with a water pistol. While Green is at one end of the spectrum and Stafford at the other, Murray is more like the middle.
But maybe I am wrong. I'm sure Turk will have an opinion. He's seen more Georgia than I have, I usually just go to him on all things Georgia Football
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Murray is a hard guy to get a read on.
I would not be surprised if he either becomes a very good NFL QB or bombs.
He might be a good fit for a WCO.
Yeah, that's kind of it for me on him. He'd better get into a system like that... Maybe the Saints take him in the 4th or something to eventually take over for Brees. But he needs to go somewhere that he can get the ball out quick and to multiple guys. If he can make fast decisions and get the ball out quickly he can be successful, but his arm limits how much of the field he can use. JMO.
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Murray reminds me a lot of Matt Flynn. He can get by with superior talent in college, but in the NFL he has to be in the perfect environment to succeed. Being a career backup is not a bad thing. Chase Daniel signed a pretty big contract last off-season and he nothing more than a backup.
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Greene? Matt Flyn?
How many of you have watched Murray play? Those guys are nothing like Murray coming out of college. Flynn was just a horrible QB in college. Zero comparison.
Murray is a 4 year starter in the SEC, he absolutely shredded teams and him losing "Big games" was more a product of that horrendous Todd Grantham defense than anything else. UG had just a horrendous defense last season.
Murray is a tough guy to grade though, slight frame, not very tall, very average arm. The odds are against him given his physical limitations but he is nothing like Greene or Flynn. He is much more like Andy Dalton/Drew Brees coming out of college. There have been MANY guys like Dalton and Brees who never amounted to anything and were out of the league in 3 years.
I, personally like Murray. I think if he goes to a team like, Dallas, he could be the next in line and do very well.
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Greene? Matt Flyn?
How many of you have watched Murray play? Those guys are nothing like Murray coming out of college. Flynn was just a horrible QB in college. Zero comparison.
From what I remember. Matt Flynn only played for like 1 season in college because of the LSU QBs. Jemarcus Russell being one of them (And Russell was good college QB). And in that season, I thought he was decent. I only saw a few games of him, but I didn't think he was that bad at all. His arm strength would be considered less than that of Murray and I don't think he was as accurate either (which doesn't mean he's inaccurate, just, nothing special. Murray on the other hand, is quite accurate IMO), but he knew where to go with the ball and was able to move the ball up the field.
I would put Murray closer to Flynn than Greene, but even at that, he had a better arm and more to show, having played at least 3 seasons. Greene, I still do't see it.
But I wouldn't knock Flynn as some garbage QB in college. I don't remember that much about him, but I remember when I watched LSU, I didn't think he was that bad
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I like Murray, and I agree that losses by the Dawgs was because of defensive breakdowns, not the play of the QB.
It's always hard to say with QB's, but I'd day his chances of being a solid Pro QB are as good as any of the others. He passes all of my tests.
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Flynn was so "blah" that the coaches tried to give his job away to the immortal Ryan Perrilloux. They did split time in 2007. Perrilloux ran for about the same yards as Flynn in half the carries, and threw 8 TD against 2 INT, compared to 21/11 for Flynn. (Perrilloux had only 75 attempts that year, compared to 359 for Flynn) Ryan Perrilloux completed 68% of his passes that year, while Flynn completed 56%. Flynn averaged 6.8 yards/attempt, and Perrilloux averaged 9.3.
Ryan Perrilloux has never been heard from again. Somehow Flynn became this "gotta get" guy last year ...... but most NFL teams, to their credit, were too smart to so crazy over him. He is in his perfect role now ...... backing up in Green Bay ...... and hopefully, rarely playing. The Pack seems to ant him back, and if Flynn is smart, he'll sign a 4 year deal to do just that.
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Flynn was so "blah" that the coaches tried to give his job away to the immortal Ryan Perrilloux
Wasn't Perilloux supposed to be the next great thing in college football? He was a total failure at LSU, but Perrilloux was a very high rated recruit. Things didn't work out for whatever reason.
All I'm saying is, I remember Flynn at LSU. He played decent in the one year I saw him, and that team was a very good LSU team. Nothing outstanding, but he made good decisions and was somewhat accurate. He wasn't going to burn you with his feet and he wasn't going to throw the ball the way someone like Stafford could. I would think of him as a poor man's Aaron Murray. Pocket passer, good decisions, quick release, not a power thrower but pretty accurate (where as I'd say Murray is accurate).
I don't think that Flynn splitting some time with Perrilloux is a bad thing. Those were very good LSU teams and Perrilloux was their shiney recruit that was supposed to be a heisman candidate QB.
Just looked him up on Wikipedia, it says Perrilloux stepped in for Flynn because he had a sprained ankle. He also stepped in for an injured Flynn in the SEC championship. Both times, Flynn was injured. Perrilloux ended up getting dismissed from the team for a multiple amount of things, including not-meeting team obligations (practices, workouts, meetings), getting into a fight at a nightclub, and smoking marijuana.
Doesn't look to me like Perrilloux was ever taking Flynn's job. Flynn was the starter.
So Perrilloux stepped in for Flynn when Flynn was injured. Other than that, game in very rarely. Here's his ESPN stats. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13960/year/2007/type/college/ryan-perrilloux
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And I do understand that Flynn was a big name in FA and thank god we didn't pick him up (I didn't want the guy myself, didn't trust such a small body of work, and I remember his arm from college). But that doesn't mean that he was a bad college player. He was a good college player, and there's plenty of great college players that haven't made it in the NFL as long as Flynn has. But yes, Flynn is meant to be a backup, nothing more
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I was more talking about what Murray will become in the pros.
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I was more talking about what Murray will become in the pros.
Fair enough, I think Murray is as good or better than flynn is right now, with any sort of improvement I think he should be starter material.
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I seem to recall being extremely unimpressed with Flynn when he played. It's funny, because IIRC, they won a National Championship with him, but he has to be one of the least impressive NC winners of all time.
He really didn't pass all that effectively, and he sucked as a runner. I also seem to recall that they had a pretty damn good defense, which is why they won games.
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I seem to recall being extremely unimpressed with Flynn when he played. It's funny, because IIRC, they won a National Championship with him, but he has to be one of the least impressive NC winners of all time.
He really didn't pass all that effectively, and he sucked as a runner. I also seem to recall that they had a pretty damn good defense, which is why they won games.
Most certainly, that defense definitely was their strong point. I'm just saying he wasn't that bad of a QB. Not that impressive, sure. But it wasn't like the coaches were mixing it up in the games between him and Perrilloux.
I liked those LSU teams. I'm just saying he was decent. Not better than Murray. Not particularly better than McCarron or Mettenburger either. One step below. But I do think that he got the job done for what they needed him to do.
May be I'm just giving Flynn a serious defense because I liked those LSU teams and I thought he was getting the job done...... But no, he wasn't a runner, and he wasn't a great passer. He wasn't as good as some of the better college QBs like Colt McCoy, Vince Young, Matt Leinart. Not as good as Weeden was (who I thought was a pretty good college QB) or Andrew Luck. Couldn't carry his team like RG3. But I do think that he wouldn't be considered a bad college QB. I'd consider him good in that season he took LSU to the title game. Not great but good.
May be our standards are just different for what a good college QB is
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To me, when a college QB throws only 2/1 TD/INT, and completes less than 60% of his passes, and doesn't reach 7 yards/attempt, then he's not likely to be much in the pros.
Since Wilson came up, let's compare him with Flynn.
As a senior, Wilson completed 72.8% of his passes, averaging 10 yards/attempt, and with 35 TD and 4 INT.
As a senior, Flynn completed 56.3% of his passes, averaging 6.7 yards/attempt, and with 21 TD and 11 INT.
Kinda funny that the pick of Wilson was mocked by some because they had just signed Flynn.
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Kinda funny that the pick of Wilson was mocked by some because they had just signed Flynn.
Oh, I liked Wilson. Definitely a better college QB than Matt Flynn. I never saw him at NCState, but my buddy said he was great there. I did see him with Wisconsin in that senior season of his a few times. Enough for me to admire his play. He had a great season.
But most people looked at Flynn as the QB who had like 3 good games for the Packers, not the QB from LSU. I'm not sure Matt Flynn was even drafted. The year Flynn was a FA, there were plenty of guys on here who wanted us to get Matt Flynn to try and be our starter. And most of it was because of what he did as a backup, "learning behind Aaron Rogers" and that huge game he had when Rogers was injured or sat out, and he called the plays for Flynn.
So yeah, I'd assume the ridicule over drafting Wilson, was they assumed that Flynn with a 3 year, 20 million dollar deal was going to be the starter. That and Wilson didn't have the measurables, or whatever you want to call it (so may be they thought the third round was early). Myself, I wasn't high on Wilson as an NFL QB. I thought he was too short. Whooops
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I never thought that Wilson would be what he has become, but I did think that we should take him if we waited till the 3rd round or so to draft a QB.
Flynn was undrafted, and it was because he has a below average arm, and poor tools all across the board. His release was super long, and in many ways he is the "anti-Wilson".
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