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School Stabbing Spree: 20 Hurt in Pittsburgh-Area Bloodbath BY ERIN MCCLAM A student went on a stabbing rampage through the classrooms and halls of a high school outside Pittsburgh on Wednesday morning, authorities said. As many as 20 students were hurt, some with life-threatening injuries. The student was in custody and being questioned by police, said Dan Stevens, a Westmoreland County emergency management spokesman. The student is a sophomore, the county confirmed to NBC News. Stevens said that the motive was unclear. Watch live coverage from WPXI The attack happened at Franklin Regional High School, in the suburb of Murrysville, just after doors opened for the day. A studentdescribed panic in the halls. “I was walking into the school and a stampede of people were running after me,” said the student, Kari Lee, who said several of her friends had been knifed. “They were screaming, ‘Go to your cars! Go to your cars! Someone is stabbing people!’” Seven teenagers and an adult were taken to Forbes Regional Hospital, Dr. Chris Kauffman, the trauma director there, told NBC News. The seven were stabbed in the chest, back and abdomen, he said. He characterized some of the injuries as life-threatening but said everyone was expected to live. At least two of the students were in surgery. Others were undergoing CT scans and X-rays and could require surgery later. “These are quite serious injuries,” Kauffman told CNN. “These are not superficial in nature.” Reese Jackson, president and CEO of the hospital, said that one of the victims may have saved the life of another. “A surgeon came out and congratulated one of the victims by saying she had saved the person’s life by applying pressure to the person’s wound,” Jackson told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. One hospital reported that it had a patient as old as 60. Stevens told WPXI, the NBC affiliate in Pittsburgh, that the first call for help from the school came at 7:13 a.m. The situation was under control by 7:30 to 7:40, he said. Ambulances swarmed the parking lot of the high school, and nearby streets were sealed off. The school district said that high school students and middle school students nearby were “secure,” and that elementary school had been canceled for the day. Parents were asked to report to an elementary school to pick up their children. Students who drove to school were not allowed to drive home without a parent, according to the district. The high school has about 1,200 students. Murrysville, about 20 miles east of Pittsburgh, is a city of 21,000. Renatta Signorini, a reporter for the Tribune Review newspaper, told MSNBC that it is a city with low crime. She said that the schools there do not have metal detectors but have been updating their security procedures. Gov. Tom Corbett said that he was shocked and saddened. He said he had directed the Pennsylvania State Police to help and would make other state resources available. First published April 9th 2014, 7:59 am web page
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I had just thrown up a thread about this too... I will delete it, here is what I had posted: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Quote:
At least 20 students were injured Wednesday morning in a stabbing incident at Franklin Regional Senior High School in the Pittsburgh area, said Dan Stevens, an emergency management agency spokesman.
The stabbings happened in classrooms and a hallway, he said, adding that a suspect -- a male student -- was in custody.
Four people were flown to hospitals by helicopter, Stevens said.
Dr. Chris Kaufmann at Forbes Regional Hospital in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, spoke to CNN on air. He said the facility is treating seven teens with stab wounds to their torso, abdomen, chest and back areas. He said that the injuries were "quite serious" and that "some are clearly life-threatening." An adult is also being treated there, he said.
He said two of the victims being treated at Forbes Regional were sent to surgery almost immediately on arrival. Those two patients had low blood pressure, he said. A third was being prepared for surgery Wednesday morning, and the rest were being evaluated to see whether surgery was necessary, he said.
A message on the Franklin Regional School District's website said all of its elementary schools were closed after the incident, and "the middle school and high school students are secure."
Information on what led to the stabbings and the conditions of the injured were not immediately released.
The students who were hurt range in age from 14 to 17, Stevens said.
The school is in Murrysville, about 15 miles east of downtown Pittsburgh.
Later Wednesday morning, students were being released to their parents, Stevens said. Shortly before 10 a.m. ET, CNN affiliate KDKA reported that some parents were beginning to be reunited with their children.
Bill Rehkopf, a KDKA radio host and Franklin Regional High School graduate, reported on air that he was shocked by the stabbings.
He kept thinking, "It doesn't happen here, it can't happen here," he said.
He said he was seeing parents showing up at the school and an increasing media presence. Parents appear to be calm, he said. Another KDKA reporter said she spoke with a parent who said she received a cell phone call from her daughter, who told her mother that "something bad" happened and that she needed to be picked up.
A media briefing is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. ET at Forbes Regional Hospital.
CNN first learned of the stabbings on Twitter.
What happened to parenting these days? Bad, unproductive and lack of care/responsibility in parents these days (which is no surprise since a 16 year old preg girl is common these days) is what I contribute these lil psycho kids going into schools and etc and carrying out these sort of actions.
And what can you do about it? Nothing. People seem to just want to pop out more kids to collect a bigger check in some form. It's to the point where every adult in every school system should have a CCW or something. Banning guns, limiting guns and so forth these moronic democrats want to push for is only going to make targets easier to carry out crimes against. It will only invoke those who have "negative" floating in their head to engage and carry out their schemes.
So, I know I took the post a few different directions form gun bans, to parenting and to the actual event that happened in PA so I apologize in advance.
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So sad really.. I mean, what the hell is going on.
School shootings and now stabbings. Students injured or killed? What is different from when I went to school?
Here's a couple of things, school prayer. We'd recite the lords prayer every day. Pledge to the flag of the USA. We'd do that every day. We were EXPECTED to be respectful and if we weren't, the school officials would call parents and the parents would take us kids out back to the wood shed (manner of speaking).
So, we have prayer, pledge and parents. the three "P's"
And we didn't have random stabbings or shootings or kids being unruly in general. Worst thing that happened when I was in Grade and High School was the occasional fist fight.. That's it.
That's about all I see, but I'm sure there is more.., Maybe we should take this PC bull and send it packing...
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Very sad, indeed.
Maybe now people will begin to realize that it is NOT the weapon that is the problem. It is the inherently unstable human that is the problem.
The spin from the gun control folks on this one should be entertaining.
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Very sad, indeed.
Maybe now people will begin to realize that it is NOT the weapon that is the problem. It is the inherently unstable human that is the problem.
The spin from the gun control folks on this one should be entertaining.
I think the "spin" is obvious -- according to present news reports (which of course could change) - everybody is expected to survive.
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Very sad, indeed.
Maybe now people will begin to realize that it is NOT the weapon that is the problem. It is the inherently unstable human that is the problem.
The spin from the gun control folks on this one should be entertaining.
I agree. It's not the weapon. Still, uncontrolled distribution of guns is a problem. Hopfully nobody dies from the injuries in this case.
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j/c: The list of things that is causing this is a very long list (and not the same in every case) so it always cracks me up when people think they have the one answer to fix the problem But to your point... Quote:
People seem to just want to pop out more kids to collect a bigger check in some form.
The number of kids per family continues to decline and most of the kids who have been guilty of these school shootings are from middle to upper middle class homes.. these aren't the poor kids shooting up schools, they are generally more well-off kids.
The abridged version of what I think... I think parenting in the 50s was a bit too militant in general, I think we have swung very far in the other direction with way too much leniency in an effort to protect kids self-esteem. Self-esteem is built when you actually accomplish something, I think a lot of these kids spend their whole life being told how great they are (in sports, academics, band, whatever) when they know deep down that they aren't and it creates a conflict in them. Just tell them the freakin' truth and help them find out what they really ARE good at.
Parents are generally far more busy than they used to be with a lot more single parent homes and a lot more moms working, spending less time with their kids just doing nothing but hanging out watching TV or fishing or playing catch. I personally hate the phrase "spending quality time".. what the hell does that mean? It sounds like an expression somebody came up with to justify not spending much time with their kids.. "Yea but its quality time"...
Schools do not have any accountability any more, work can be turned in late, you actually have to TRY to fail, kids can't be disciplined, fear of separating kids based on ability so the more advanced kids don't learn and the less advanced kids don't either.
General acceptance of abnormal behavior.. and that's not to say everybody should act exactly the same but most of these kids give off strong signs of anti-social behavior which is written off as some kind of a "phase" and nobody intervenes... people are afraid to ask the simple questions to probe into what is going on in a kids life... or even insinuate that something might be "wrong" with the way they are acting...
Social media, while it's not the cause, contributes greatly to the issue. Bullying on social media is far more powerful than anything we had when I was a kid.. plus social media makes it far easier for kids to hide their issues, seek comfort in other kids with like feelings who just feed off each other, back in the day if you wanted to do something stupid like kill another student and you told somebody your plan, they would tell you that you were nuts, now you can find other people on-line who will actually tell you its a good idea... etc. Kids can more easily hide who they are communicating with and what they are talking about.. when I was a kid (and this might also be because of my small town) my parents knew my friends, they knew my friends parents, they knew my teachers and my coaches, they knew the store owners, the pastor, and almost everybody else that I interacted with on a regular basis.. If I was acting squirrely, THEY KNEW.
The inability to resolve issues among yourselves.. Look, I'm not condoning fighting, I think I was in one fight my entire life in about 10th grade.. but the ability to address somebody and duke it out if necessary was a relatively harmless way to get issues resolved... and often just the threat that it could happen was enough to diffuse a situation...
There are probably others but I can't think of them off the top of my head..
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I agree with everything said. I would also suggest that we over medicate kids. Some kids are on prozac before they are teenagers. I am sure there are some that really need medication, but I think we try to modify behaviors too much through chemicals.
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Could have been prevented. No metal detectors for entrance at this school.
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Bro, solid post... actually very solid. In my day of high school, you were "cool" if you had a cell phone period. You were AWESOME if you had a flip phone. The day of "smart phones" and the point I am trying to get to here relating to your comment - social media. Social media really wasn't alive yet when I was in high school. Noone was asking for Facebook requests, and Twitter I don't even think existed. Being a kid in school these days when kids can Tweet/post/whatever while a lecture of the teacher is going on, ripping another kid, taking pics and videos - surely have likely played a huge role in the "whatever is going wrong" category(s).
... but my whole point is the lack of caring, responsible parents and/or good parenting being obsolete in general. No offense and not trying to be "smarta$s" sounding - but it doesn't matter if you grow up in a poor home, middle class home or rich and above home... that doesn't dictate in any fashion the type of parents the kid will encounter and in essence, be raised by in however fashion. You got these parents that wouldn't even shut their kids up, hush them or scold/correct their children if they insulted another child right in front of their own eyes for no reason other than foolishness.
The whole "popping baby" comment out was a point in addition to the main point I was getting across, which seemed to be something (to some extents) that you'd agree with or could associate to as' well via comments you made - is lacking parenting. More single parent homes as divorces become increasingly common, can't be great for the kids. I would know, my parents divorced when I was young - so I definitely agree with that statement. It made me a stronger person, I could see how other(s) it could be a potential opposite effect.
Public schools do suck. I mean I've encountered adults that couldn't spell the word "yellow" if his/her life depended on it. Push/pass and cram them through the system. Then again, I guess if you get flunked then you'll be a "hot topic" of bashings via a social media site.
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The medication comment above is also a valid comment IMO. I mean these days we have FDA approved drugs that years later are resulting in lawsuits and etc because of health risks and etc that has been a result of it. It seems we are too quick to want to take an easy route and "prescribe" something. I'll just be blunt, if I went to my Dad or Grandpa and said "I'm being bullied or pressed at school" - I would have been told to stick up for myself and if need be, take the problem in a corner and beat the crap outta it.
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Uggh ... had a long post typed up and it vanished.
Completely agree with you.
The short of what I said was, you're right, it's not just one thing ... a few things that contribute to it are:
1) Media/Video games. As much as people argue: "I watch/play violent stuff, and I don't feel the need to shoot a place up", 99.999% of gun owners can say essentially the same thing: "I own a gun, and I don't feel the need to shoot a place up." At any rate, it's desensitizing society to violence, and all it takes is one person who's only source of entertainment in life has been to "digitally shoot up a bunch of people".
2) Attention starved. And this parleys into what you said. Kids used to say, "I'll kill myself, and it will "show" them" ... It was a desperate plea for attention to the people who were ignoring them. Well, now because of ...
3) News media, they can get just that and more. They won't hesitate to throw up the shooters name and face for weeks of coverage. And when you're talking about kids that are attention starved and suicidal ... providing them a means to an end probably isn't helping.
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Very sad, indeed.
Maybe now people will begin to realize that it is NOT the weapon that is the problem. It is the inherently unstable human that is the problem.
The spin from the gun control folks on this one should be entertaining.
I agree with you Purp,,, Where I grew up some of the farm kids would drive a pick up truck to school and they usually had a gun rack WITH a gun on it.. Nobody ever got shot.
It's not the weapon
Having said that, I still don't understand the need for Automatic Weapons or even semi Auto. But I'm not a gun guy so I guess that's probably why I don't understand.
I'm a Car guy,,, Do I need a car with 600HP,, no, but I want one. That's as close as I can get to understanding.
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Thanks for the comments.. here's a little more on my opinion of poor parenting.. it's NOT from a lack of love. I don't think parents today love their children any more or less than they did 50 years ago.. I think it's a long evolution from I'm going to be the dictator parent to I'm going to be your friend... I think it's great if you have a good friendly relationship with your kids but at the same time, there are lots of times when you just can't be the friend and you have to be the parent and you have to make the tough decision and you have to discipline so they miss the most important social function ever because they did something wrong. Parent's have generally become too nice, they find ways to punish their kids that aren't really even punishments at all and they find ways to excuse bad behavior so the kid doesn't really have to be punished... all because they want the kids to like them, because they don't want the kid to stomp off to their room and slam the door and scream about how mean and unfair you are.. because they might post it on social media and then you will forever be THAT parent....  Write this down, archive it, make a bumper sticker out of it because you may never see it again... I agree with Hillary Clinton... wow, that hurt..  but it does take a village to raise a child but parents have to understand that they are the mayor.. no, the dictator of who is in that village. If you deny that the school, the coaches, the friends and friends parents, the television, the music, the video games, the pastor, the doctor, the dentist, etc aren't impacting your kids then you are fooling yourself... so as the parent, it is your JOB to make sure those other people/things that are influencing your kids are working in your kids best interest.. and you have to weed out/eliminate/minimze the negative influences as best you can.
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Honestly, that's another point I forgot to mention. I think a lot more families are moving around to different parts of the country these days. Whereas before, they would live a lot closer to relatives and parents. Parenting doesn't necessarily come naturally, and there's a lot of things that get learned and passed down from parents and older siblings. Even the interaction between siblings helps, because the younger ones learn how to raise kids from the older ones ... and the older ones get some free babysitting from the younger ones. It's all one big learning process for everybody.
But these days, new families move to new areas, and don't necessarily have the support structure around them to raise a family. Not saying it can't be done, it just makes things more difficult.
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You know how many times we've heard that stated and it never clicked for me. Yet, when I think back to my childhood, I remember the parents of my friends, my neighbors, friends of my parents, all had a hand in raising me.
Obviously, in my case, parents were the key of course, but if anyone in our community saw anything out of whack, they didn't hesitate to go to my parents and let them know.
My friend John came from a wealthy family. His father owned a hardware store. Anyway, one day, my dad spotted John doing something that just didn't look right. My dad marched John right down to the hardware store and spoke to Johns father.
Between them, they figured out what John was getting involved with and Johns dad was very thankful that my father took the time to let him know. Not in a way that made it sound like, LOOK WHAT YOU IDIOT SON IS DOING, but more like, hey, I think your son may be heading down the wrong path with this.
that's the way ti was in my small town. So yeah, Hillary was right about that.. it does take a village to raise a child.
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Very sad, indeed.
Maybe now people will begin to realize that it is NOT the weapon that is the problem. It is the inherently unstable human that is the problem.
The spin from the gun control folks on this one should be entertaining.
I think weapons are a problem, but they are not THE problem. Certainly not the only problem.
I just wish there was more focus on parenting and mental health, and stuff like that, but it seems like the media has their own agenda when they hear stories about attacks on schools.
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...Even the interaction between siblings helps, because the younger ones learn how to raise kids from the older ones ... and the older ones get some free babysitting from the younger ones. It's all one big learning process for everybody.
I helped my sister a lot with her oldest when he was just an infant. I certainly learned something. It taught me I never wanted children. Lesson learned and followed through on. Thanks sis!!
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I will make one observation.
All of the hypothesis in this thread are blaming an externality and not the child.
This debate is not necessarily about nurture. Nature could be the cause as well.
Just my honest opinion.
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My wife is a middle school teacher. Every time I see one of these stories, I think of her and how this could happen to her everyday. The fact that these events are becoming more frequent is quite troubling. I refuse to live in fear, but this stuff is always in the back of my mind when I say good-bye to her in the morning.
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I will make one observation.
All of the hypothesis in this thread are blaming an externality and not the child.
This debate is not necessarily about nurture. Nature could be the cause as well.
Just my honest opinion.
What about nature would be the cause? Kids have been around for thousands of years ... and it's only since Columbine that this has been an issue. The biggest changes have been in how the kids are raised ... and how the media puts the spotlight on the killers.
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I will make one observation.
All of the hypothesis in this thread are blaming an externality and not the child.
This debate is not necessarily about nurture. Nature could be the cause as well.
Just my honest opinion.
What about nature would be the cause? Kids have been around for thousands of years ... and it's only since Columbine that this has been an issue. The biggest changes have been in how the kids are raised ... and how the media puts the spotlight on the killers.
I've thought it's more Nurture not nature..
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I will make one observation.
All of the hypothesis in this thread are blaming an externality and not the child.
This debate is not necessarily about nurture. Nature could be the cause as well.
Just my honest opinion.
the only "nature" argument is misdiagnosed or undiagnosed mental illness.. if that's the case, then that's the case, it doesn't change anything that anybody has said about the problem in general..
And for the record, nothing I wrote was to BLAME anybody, it was to express my opinions on societal trends that I believe are not working in the best interest of the child. Ultimately it is the kid who picks up the knife or the gun.. but if we, as a culture, are going to get a handle on why these are happening, then we better start looking beyond the elementary argument like "that kid just needed a good ass whoopin'" and really start to dissect what is going on in the heads of these kids... (which I'm sure people somewhere are doing, I just haven't seen any positive results yet)..
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The deadliest mass killing in a school in the US was in 1927.
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The PA Legislature has determined that the 2nd Amendment only allows for the ban of switchblades.
Like the US Congress banning the plastic gun. The Founding Fathers would not want us to bear these arms. They were pretty clear about it in the 2nd amendment. Especially the plastic guns. I think it was outlined in the AR-15 e-mail they sent to the NRA.
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When will everybody realize this 
Blinders will always be on by some people. Some people just cannot, fail or refuse to think for themselves. Therefore, stupid stuff will always be blamed for these type of things and the fingers pointed in wrong directions.
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Still, to play devils advocate - if he had an AK-47 instead of two knives - I don't think we'd be talking about zero fatalities at the end of this.
Nobody here has (as of yet anyway) advocated that we let people buy their own cruise missiles. There's a limit for the lethality of weapons we allow ordinary people to have.
The question is - just as it was before this incident or any other - where do you draw the line?
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If he had an AK47 they'd have seen him coming in with it. I own one, they're a little difficult to conceal.
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If he had an AK47 they'd have seen him coming in with it. I own one, they're a little difficult to conceal.
That's certainly prevented all the other school shootings?
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I doubt people witnessed, seen or viewed someone walking in with a visible gun/weapon. If so, you'd have 20 kids busting out their Android powered smart phones calling 911. Plus, if you were carrying out such an action - I doubt you'd be dumb enough to walk in with your weapon visible and in-sight.
jmo, I'm unfortunately not a psycho lol... and for the record, I LOVE the way AK 47's shoot and etc, but man I'd never own one. They're about the ugliest weapon out there lol! Even if you can throw them in mud, sand and water and they'll still cycle ammo.
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If he had an AK47 they'd have seen him coming in with it. I own one, they're a little difficult to conceal.
That's certainly prevented all the other school shootings?
I'm sorry, what school shooting was it that used an AK47?
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Sorry, Sandy Hook was an M4 Carbine apparently, and Columbine was three different shotguns and a Hi-Pointe Carbine. I don't think any of these are particularly easy to hide.
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What kind of hi-pointe carbine, there are several,
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Sure they are. Just get an instrument case.
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