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Sorry, Sandy Hook was an M4 Carbine apparently, and Columbine was three different shotguns and a Hi-Pointe Carbine. I don't think any of these are particularly easy to hide.
They had shotguns with the stock sawed off, with the barrel sawed off and shortened. One of them had a basically submachine gun pistol (a TEC-9) which people hide in their shorts on Cops. The other had a cheap carbine rifle (model 995) which within their trench coats - all of these and also several knives and etc, were hidden.
Should check your facts before you go blurting out this-n-thats. They sawed off the things to purposely hide them and/or make them easier to hide... do you seriously think you could enter such a public place like a school with that type of weaponary if they weren't hidden? 
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Quality post my man.
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The percentage of school shootings in which the shooter was on some sort of SSRI is really really high. I don't have a statistic for it, but I can't recall a single one who wasn't on an SSRI or coming off one. These medications have rare side effects where people basically snap...I would be pretty surprised if this wasn't again the case here. Messed up kid + rare side effect + no adult intervention = school shooting.
There are now two parent working households or single parent households in many families. This means we will see a larger percentage of the population going to daycares and with babysitters at a very young age. This can lead to attachment and bonding disorders in some people which will hinder their development of pro-social behaviors / brain regions involving empathy and self-control. You can't really become a school shooter or go around stabbing people if you have a good family life unless you have some crazy brain tumor. (I think the Texas clock tower shootings were an example of brain tumor induced violence...but few other cases are).
To an extent...it is important not to get too riled up about school shootings. They are statistically very rare and infrequent. It is an unfortunate reality that we all worry about our loved ones, but really for 99.99% of kids this isn't going to happen to them. If this type of event spurred more out reach to the messed up kids at each particular school I think that would be about the most positive outcome that could happen.
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I will make one observation.
All of the hypothesis in this thread are blaming an externality and not the child.
This debate is not necessarily about nurture. Nature could be the cause as well.
Just my honest opinion.
the only "nature" argument is misdiagnosed or undiagnosed mental illness.. if that's the case, then that's the case, it doesn't change anything that anybody has said about the problem in general..
And for the record, nothing I wrote was to BLAME anybody, it was to express my opinions on societal trends that I believe are not working in the best interest of the child. Ultimately it is the kid who picks up the knife or the gun.. but if we, as a culture, are going to get a handle on why these are happening, then we better start looking beyond the elementary argument like "that kid just needed a good ass whoopin'" and really start to dissect what is going on in the heads of these kids... (which I'm sure people somewhere are doing, I just haven't seen any positive results yet)..
My feeling is that you cannot blame all of this on an externality. As you said at some point it is the individual that commits the crime,
The other caution I would say is that as humans we remember the good things. I found this wikipedia page interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
In the early 1900s most of the school shootings were of single victims. But as the century progresses there are more multi victim incidents. There were mass school shootings as far back as 60's. So to say that this type of incident did not happen when you were a kid is incorrect unless you were a kid in the 40s and 50s. There are people who do this in every decade, and the number of people killed in these attacks could be tied to types of weapons available at the time.
some incidents of note.
skipped over the past 30 years.
anuary 29, 1979: San Diego, California, Brenda Spencer opened fire on Grover Cleveland Elementary School from the window of her home across the street, killing two adults and wounding nine others, eight of whom were children.[184] The shootings inspired the song I Don't Like Mondays.
June 12, 1976: California State University, Custodian Edward Charles Allaway, 37, opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.[citation needed]
December 30, 1974: Olean, New York, Regents scholar Anthony Barbaro, 17, armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.[175][176]
November 11, 1971: Spokane, Washington, Former MIT student Larry J. Harmon, 21, entered St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church on the Gonzaga University campus armed with a .22 caliber rifle. Harmon killed the caretaker, 68-year-old Hilary Kunz, and upon emerging from the church, wounded four more people before police officers shot and killed him. Harmon was described by his father as a religious fanatic who believed that he had seen the devil and that Christ was an imposter.
November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona, Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22 caliber pistol. Four women and a three-year-old girl died, one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith after the massacre. Smith had reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.[156]
April 27, 1966: Bay Shore, New York, Teacher John S. Lane, 48, was shot and fatally wounded when he tried to stop 16-year-old student James Arthur Frampton, who was walking through the halls of Bay Shore Senior High School with a shotgun, searching for some boys with whom he had an argument earlier that day. Lane died of his wounds on June 13, 1966.[150][151][152]
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I also wonder how much of this is because of the 24 hour news cycle?
By this I mean that news stations have to fill up the day, and there is a lot of news that was passed over before the advent of cable news networks. In the days of Walter Cronkite, such a story may have been a simple "Tragedy struck a Pittsburgh school today as a student with a knife attacked other students and teachers" ...... and then that would be it. Today we have 24 hour coverage on every network, and interview everyone from students, to teachers, to the janitor, to "experts" ........ Instead of it being a passing story, it's a 24 hour/day story.
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Ban all knives.
There are parents in Chardon who wish a knife was the weapon used here.
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jc... Is it Jules that always says.. "People are just no damn good" ? 
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That's a good source and a good list.
It's pretty interesting how the shootings changed from individual to mass toward the end of the last and through the start of this century.
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do you seriously think you could enter such a public place like a school with that type of weaponary if they weren't hidden?
None of these shooters are going to hand over their weapons. The carnage would just start at the front door instead of the hallway.
If you're committed to killing as many people as possible (including yourself) there are plenty of ways of bypassing the entrance or an armed guard. Climb through a window, start in the parking lot, hijack a bus 5 miles away and you've got 50 kids trapped in a tin can.
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do you seriously think you could enter such a public place like a school with that type of weaponary if they weren't hidden?
None of these shooters are going to hand over their weapons. The carnage would just start at the front door instead of the hallway.
If you're committed to killing as many people as possible (including yourself) there are plenty of ways of bypassing the entrance or an armed guard. Climb through a window, start in the parking lot, hijack a bus 5 miles away and you've got 50 kids trapped in a tin can.
Geez, sounds like you've thought this out.
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I doubt he's given that much thought to it, and he was able to rattle off a couple ideas to kill max amount of people in a school setting.
... and that was his point. If someone has decided that they're going to go on a rampage at school, they're going to do it. It doesn't matter if you try to limit their access to guns, or if you make it a little bit more difficult for them to get the weapon inside the school. If they can't get a gun, then they'll just use a knife or a home-made bomb. Or, you know, they'll just get a gun (they've decided to go on a killing spree at a school, I don't think they're worried about gun control).
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If there is anything positive, even a little, to come out of this, it sounds like the students, teachers, security, etc... all acted very well during the attack. I realize a knife attack is not an attack with firearms, but still, it could have been much worse.
A kid jumped in front of a girl to protect her from being stabbed. Heard the girl's story on the news last night. Little bit of faith restored in humanity when I hear about kids actually doing the right thing.
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A kid jumped in front of a girl to protect her from being stabbed. Heard the girl's story on the news last night. Little bit of faith restored in humanity when I hear about kids actually doing the right thing.
Which is always the sad part in these stories.. generally many many people do the right thing but it's the one person who did the wrong thing that gets plastered all over the news and whose name we remember... I remember a number of stories out of Columbine of people doing the right thing, can't remember a single name because the stories were fleeting... but Eric Harris and Dylon Klebold.. yea, I remember those names.
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A kid jumped in front of a girl to protect her from being stabbed. Heard the girl's story on the news last night. Little bit of faith restored in humanity when I hear about kids actually doing the right thing.
Which is always the sad part in these stories.. generally many many people do the right thing but it's the one person who did the wrong thing that gets plastered all over the news and whose name we remember... I remember a number of stories out of Columbine of people doing the right thing, can't remember a single name because the stories were fleeting... but Eric Harris and Dylon Klebold.. yea, I remember those names.
and I'm still thankful that those 2 guys were not better at chemical or mechanical engineering (whatever part failed in their bomb design). I still remember their brutal plot (they had rigged bombs to go off in the cafeteria during lunch with enough explosives to kill most people in there, then they were both sitting outside the 2 main exits ready to gun down anyone who fled the building). It was horrible that 12 people died that day (cannot remember how many injured), but it could have been so much worse.
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tell me what we do about the problem then...
The main thing is -- Society as a whole, needs to eliminate the stigma that comes along with mental illnesses.
You tell someone you're seeing a therapist or that you're taking anti-depressants and you're viewed as "crazy"
People like this kid need to feel like there's nothing wrong with needing someone to talk to. Like there's something 'wrong' with seeing a therapist.
I've never mentioned it on here before, but I struggled with depression and very violent outrages when I was in my teens. My mother forced me to see someone about it, and I thank her every day for it.
Would I have snapped and stabbed 20 people? I'd like to think no -- But that's where it starts -- We need to get rid of the stigma that comes along with mentall illnesses in this country.
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I will agree that is a good place to start..
And we could start by not calling it "mental illness".. that phrase alone has some serious stigma to it and covers everybody from the mildly depressed to the totally deranged..... There should be, and maybe there is, a lesser term for somebody who is struggling with mild depression or more general teenage anxiety and stress...
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Geez, sounds like you've thought this out.
It doesn't take too much thought to realize an armed guard can't protect 1000 kids on a 10 acre campus. Or 50 buses.
They are are suicide-terrorists.
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If there is anything positive, even a little, to come out of this, it sounds like the students, teachers, security, etc... all acted very well during the attack. I realize a knife attack is not an attack with firearms, but still, it could have been much worse.
A kid jumped in front of a girl to protect her from being stabbed. Heard the girl's story on the news last night. Little bit of faith restored in humanity when I hear about kids actually doing the right thing.
I saw that report on TV,, I guess when everything was pretty much over and the police and parametics were going in, they found students putting pressure on wounds other students have suffered. Faith restored that some do the right thing,.,,
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Wait somebody was stabbed in a school..... BAN ALL GUNS 
The problem is people, not knives, guns, bombs, or chemicals. When will everybody realize this 
I realized that a long time ago GM.. and I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment... but just for tell me what we do about the problem then...
Their is no easy answer. The only way to cut down on this problem is a lot of long hard work bro. Work on getting back TWO parent families (I don't care what sex they are) get our economy turned around so both parents don't have to work full time just to make ends meet, raise a generation of children who believe that loving one another is more important than ANYTHING else. that's the only answer I see to our problems bro, and add in a healthy dose of prayers.
The problem is that, at this point, we need to teach people how to be part of a 2 parent family again. We have children having children, and a cycle of dependency that seems unbreakable. We need to teach those on government programs job skills, parenting skills, and life skills. I think that anyone collecting welfare should have to take classes on job and life skills 3-4 days a week, and those collecting unemployment for more than a month should be required to do the same, along with specific job search activities. We should also require those in both categories to do some sort of work for the community for about 10 hours/week. I don't feel that this is some unreasonable requirement. We have to get the mindset of dependence and "take" changed to one of "earn". Of course, people would whine that my program unfairly impacts the chronically unemployed, and requiring them to learn skills that might help them find a job would be a bad thing. 
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I agree to an extent buddy. One month is way to short. Six months I could agree with.
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We should also require those in both categories to do some sort of work for the community for about 10 hours/week. I don't feel that this is some unreasonable requirement. We have to get the mindset of dependence and "take" changed to one of "earn".
Agreed 110 percent. I would take it further than that even. If your going to collect welfare, food stamps, or even unemployment you should have to work 40 hours a week doing something or your benefits should be cut off. But you should be allowed time off the 40 hours to go on job interviews.
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Yeah, we have .... but it used to be that kids married younger, and that's why they had children earlier. Back in the 50s and 60 you didn't have the volume of single parent children you do today ..... not even close.
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I disagree. We need to teach kids that in school.
Ideally parents should be teaching this. I think that we can add it to the school curriculum as well. However, we are in an emergency mode right now. If we don't reach those having children out of wedlock today, and teach them how to raise their children, then those kids will largely be lost. Our schools are supposed to teach kids to read and write ..... but how many single parent, inner city kids struggle in those regards. These life skills are vital.
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I agree to an extent buddy. One month is way to short. Six months I could agree with.
6 months is far too long, There is no need for an unemployed person to sit on their butt for 6 months. Plus, anything that helps a person get the best possible job should be welcomed, not feared.
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Agreed 110 percent. I would take it further than that even. If your going to collect welfare, food stamps, or even unemployment you should have to work 40 hours a week doing something or your benefits should be cut off. But you should be allowed time off the 40 hours to go on job interviews.
You have to be careful of minimum wage laws. In Ohio,if you work someone 40 hours/week, you have to pay them what ...... $7.25/hour currently? If you tie a welfare or unemployment check to work, then the minimum wage for a 40 hour week is going to be $290/week. That is far more than most on welfare receive, and would require an overhaul of the entire system's funding in order to make that work. I just want to get people used to working to some degree. They don't get that sitting at home doing nothing.
I have never liked the idea of expanding government payrolls just to create jobs ..... but if it comes down to a choice between getting something for the money we spend, or getting nothing, I'll take us getting something. I also think that small steps can help make bigger changes, and that we must change the mindset of people being recipients instead of providers.
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I disagree. We need to teach kids that in school.
This is where we disagree. Parenting skills and life skills aren't really "taught" as much as they are observed.... and you can teach job skills but you can't teach work ethic, that's another thing that is observed.... you learn these things by watching the adults in your life, mostly your parents/guardians.. if they are lousy parents with a poor work ethic then there is a very good chance you will be a lousy parent with a poor work ethic and no school class is going to be able to undo what you witness with your own 2 eyes day after day in your life.
That's at the very heart of this downward spiral... Most poor kids and kids from broken and dysfunctional families can tell you, intellectually, what it takes to break the cycle.. don't have kids too young, stay off drugs, take your education seriously, blahblahblah.. I bet most of them even vow at some point that they aren't going to do what their parents did... but many of them end up doing EXACTLY what their parents did... because do as I say, not as I do isn't a very effective parenting technique.
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I'm not sure why we're talking about counteracting against these types of things like it's a problem in poor communities when it's actually the opposite. It's happening in affluent neighborhoods.
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If there is anything positive, even a little, to come out of this, it sounds like the students, teachers, security, etc... all acted very well during the attack. I realize a knife attack is not an attack with firearms, but still, it could have been much worse.
A kid jumped in front of a girl to protect her from being stabbed. Heard the girl's story on the news last night. Little bit of faith restored in humanity when I hear about kids actually doing the right thing.
I saw that report on TV,, I guess when everything was pretty much over and the police and parametics were going in, they found students putting pressure on wounds other students have suffered. Faith restored that some do the right thing,.,,
Personally, I'd rather hear these after-stories than death counts and sensationalized versions of the carnage and bloodshed.
And no- I'm not a Pollyanna. I've spent almost 6 decades on this planet. I know how The World works.
I just find stories of heroism and sacrifice much more interesting than theories about what makes a madman do the things he does. Maybe I'm just hardwired to appreciate The Positive more than I appreciate its opposite.
I'd like to think that I'd be someone who'd apply pressure to a wound, or assist in the aid of a victim. I don't really know if I'd voluntarily take the brunt of an assault aimed at another. I'm thankful that I've never been forced into that situation.
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I'm reading about what to do about mental illness and better parenting and all kinds of things including the idea that it's people and not weapons.
This problem is something we, as a society, have created. I have no idea about how much violence through movies, tv, and other media young Americans are exposed to daily. All kinds of people, not just "mentally ill" feel justified to resort to violent methods to solve problems.
Add access to weapons, and yes, we have the God given right to say access to weapons is part of the problem, and we can state that without being forced to accept the motivation is we want to eliminate the second amendment, and we end up with the "perfect storm" of all the causes coming together making it difficult for us to ride out.
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I'm reading about what to do about mental illness and better parenting and all kinds of things including the idea that it's people and not weapons.
This problem is something we, as a society, have created. I have no idea about how much violence through movies, tv, and other media young Americans are exposed to daily. All kinds of people, not just "mentally ill" feel justified to resort to violent methods to solve problems.
Add access to weapons, and yes, we have the God given right to say access to weapons is part of the problem, and we can state that without being forced to accept the motivation is we want to eliminate the second amendment, and we end up with the "perfect storm" of all the causes coming together making it difficult for us to ride out.
It's been my contention for a while that one of the big pieces to thie puzzle may be in Video Games. I mean the Violent kind.
Couple that with bad or no or limited parenting and you may have a handle on things.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should ban video games, but this is a time that parents need to address what's real and what's make believe.
I really don't know if it will make a difference, but it couldn't hurt anyway.
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I would have probably went into shock if I got stabbed at school, then gotten very angry afterwards. The teen that did this is just plain evil. A psycho. At least he's behind bars now, and will hopefully be there until he dies.
I wonder why he did it?
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I would have probably went into shock if I got stabbed at school, then gotten very angry afterwards. The teen that did this is just plain evil. A psycho. At least he's behind bars now, and will hopefully be there until he dies.
I wonder why he did it?
Guys be honest with me here... seriously I won't be upset or anything in the type of response so be blunt and honest.
Am I bad person b/c I think this kid (as young as he is) should just go right to the electric chair? Right into the bed they lay you on before they pump chemicals and etc for lethal injection? Some form of death penalty? Because that is the only home/ending I believe these people have earned for themselves based on their actions.
To note, I don't buy into the "mental insanity" crap like these nutjobs plead and get to avoid being put to death. I'm sorry, but if you can point a gun at something and pull the trigger and repeat this, if you can look someone in the face as you "stab" them - you know exactly what you're doing and exactly the consequences that should be associated with it. Mental pleas is a loophole of the system.
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Isn't it ironic that the big trend several years ago was to try and ban cartoon like the Roadrunner and such that had cartoon violence, because they could desensitize kids to real violence, (which had never been a problem in previous generations) but ultra violent and realistic video games are just fine as long as they have a rating on them.
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Isn't it ironic that the big trend several years ago was to try and ban cartoon like the Roadrunner and such that had cartoon violence, because they could desensitize kids to real violence, (which had never been a problem in previous generations) but ultra violent and realistic video games are just fine as long as they have a rating on them.
What we need is Bugs Bunny, Vigilante, the video game.
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I would have probably went into shock if I got stabbed at school, then gotten very angry afterwards. The teen that did this is just plain evil. A psycho. At least he's behind bars now, and will hopefully be there until he dies.
I wonder why he did it?
Guys be honest with me here... seriously I won't be upset or anything in the type of response so be blunt and honest.
Am I bad person b/c I think this kid (as young as he is) should just go right to the electric chair? Right into the bed they lay you on before they pump chemicals and etc for lethal injection? Some form of death penalty? Because that is the only home/ending I believe these people have earned for themselves based on their actions.
To note, I don't buy into the "mental insanity" crap like these nutjobs plead and get to avoid being put to death. I'm sorry, but if you can point a gun at something and pull the trigger and repeat this, if you can look someone in the face as you "stab" them - you know exactly what you're doing and exactly the consequences that should be associated with it. Mental pleas is a loophole of the system.
Hmm,, I can't say I agree with you. At least not as a one size fits all. For instance, from what I've seen, read and heard from this kid in Chardon, TJ Lane, he's a butt hole. With him, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.
The kid in Pa, I honestly don't know anything about him. Reports are he was a quiet kid that didn't seem to get in trouble and didn't appear troubled in any fashion. I have no idea if that's fact or concocted fiction by his defense.
But before I'd send him to the chair, I'd have to know a lot more about him.
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The problem IMO is the media. years ago when something like this happened in Ohio nobody 100 miles away knew about it. Now when it happens the a-hole that did it gets his 15 min. of fame all over the world. These crackpots want their names in lights and the higher the death toll the more airtime they get
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So if he kills 5 people, and is a pittsburgh fan, he should be executed, but if he's a nice person, you'd let him live?
Really? Is that all the excuse you need? Have you heard the one about Mussolini making the trains run on time?
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The problem IMO is the media. years ago when something like this happened in Ohio nobody 100 miles away knew about it. Now when it happens the a-hole that did it gets his 15 min. of fame all over the world. These crackpots want their names in lights and the higher the death toll the more airtime they get
And the absolutely craziest thing about all this is:
Most of the time, these are suicide missions....
..so the jackwad isn't even around to see the attention his deeds have earned him.
I'm all-in for the idea that these people should die as anonymously as they lived. Reserve the attention and name recognition for:
1. the unfortunate victims
2. responders who administer help, first aid, and comfort
Perhaps the next crazy one will realize that he WON'T be immortalized... and simply "off" himself- and only himself.
Alone. In his basement.
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The problem IMO is the media. years ago when something like this happened in Ohio nobody 100 miles away knew about it. Now when it happens the a-hole that did it gets his 15 min. of fame all over the world. These crackpots want their names in lights and the higher the death toll the more airtime they get
Maybe that spurs copy cats... Dunno
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So if he kills 5 people, and is a pittsburgh fan, he should be executed, but if he's a nice person, you'd let him live?
Really? Is that all the excuse you need? Have you heard the one about Mussolini making the trains run on time?
I don't remember bringing up pittsburgh, I don't remember saying anyting about him being a nice kid so he could get off.
What I said, had you taken a freakin second to read it was, I don't know what's going on with this kid, so until I know, I won't put him in the chair.
What if it's determined that he's retarded to some degree? What if it's found that he was being beaten by his parents or regularly bullied by kids? Lots of things could set a kid off. I wanna know what it is before I hang the kid!
As for TJ Lane, have you heard that kid speak? I have seen the article detailing what he said in front of the judge.. he's a jerk.. Him I now have a handle and opinion on.. He should freaking hang.,
Now do you understand.
I really hate it when people put words in my mouth...
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I'm all-in for the idea that these people should die as anonymously as they lived. Reserve the attention and name recognition for:
1. the unfortunate victims
2. responders who administer help, first aid, and comfort
I could get behind that. I have no idea if it would deter anybody but if we reported on the heroic acts and the victims and never even released the criminals name, I'd be good with that. Conduct the trial (if he/she lives) in silence, punish them in silence.. of course the media has a job to do and wouldn't let that happen, but I wonder if would have an effect.
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