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Yeah, I've been through too much of this B.S. to be 'inspired' by any of it.

Win football games, and I'll care what you have to say about 'culture' or other cheap buzzwords.




I agree in part ...... but .....

I know from experience that turning a failed business into a successful one takes a change in mindset and culture. It takes getting people to buy into the program. It takes people believing that change is possible.

I do think that this stuff is often overused. However, it is vital that it truly happen. It does take more than lip service though. It takes real change.




The key word is real change.

The problem with us is that we've ended up with pretenders like Mangini, Holmgren, Banner, etc. who put more emphasis on the idea than the actual.

So we get murals and quizzes that don't mean jack, and we lose, while these guys try their best to emulate those they see as winners.

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This makes me sad.




C'mon, now - that team was 'disciplined'.

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I suppose this can fit here as well .....

I absolutely agree with him when he said this: “Football is a tough sport for tough people,” Pettine said. “When you are trying to change a losing culture, mental toughness is as important as physical toughness.”

I might even say that mental toughness is more important.

New Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine ready to 'fight' his way out of two decades of losing | cleveland.com
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COLUMBUS, Ohio – In what must seem like a lifetime ago, new Browns coach Mike Pettine was an audio-visual coordinator for a suburban Philadelphia high school.

During his first coaches meetings in Berea, he put his old A/V skills to use in illustrating the legacy of losing his staff must overcome.

He showed assistants a chart with the names of the 141 coaches who have worked for the Browns since 1991, highlighting names of men such as Bill Belichick who left Cleveland to enjoy great success. He showed them an another image breaking down the records of the individual head coaches and tallying the cumulative won-loss sum (113-207) over that span with only one postseason win.

On Friday morning, while the addressing an audience at the annual Ohio State Football Coaches Clinic, Pettine projected the same graphics on two large screens. Buckeyes coach Urban Meyer, who grew up in Ashtabula, called the 1991-to-present record “shocking” to see in print.

“This is a mountain of negativity and it can pile up,” Pettine told a collection of prep coaches from throughout the state.

Some new coaches bury an organization’s saddest parts of history and remind those who drudge them up that they occurred on somebody else's watch. Pettine appears to be taking a different course. He's not embracing the Browns’ perpetual losing, but he’s also not ignoring it, either.

“If you’re mired in a culture of losing, you’ve got to fight your way out of it,” he said.

The coach spoke for nearly an hour without answering questions or talking to the media. He was well prepared and organized, providing personal vignettes, some funny, others painful. He told those assembled about the importance of family and how his passion for the profession helped cost him a marriage. Pettine said there are two kinds of coaches’ wives – great ones and ex-ones.

He became the first Browns coach to address this delegation in more than a decade. The 47-year-old certainly could identify with the group, having been a prep head coach into his 30s before making the unusual jump from high school to low-level NFL coaching assistant with the Baltimore Ravens in 2002. He is the son of a prep coaching legend, Mike Pettine Sr., who won four state titles for Central Bucks West High in suburban Philadelphia.

Pettine has stepped out of his father’s prominent shadow and into one of the sport’s most difficult jobs – turning around the Browns.

He outlined his course of action: taking small, methodical steps, establishing an identity and being the better side at crunch time. Pettine said the difference between finishing 6-10 and 10-6 is often how a team handles two-minute drills, performs on third downs and plays in the red zone.

“We are going to over-practice in these areas,” he said.

Pettine highlighted what he looks for in staff members and how good ones are usually the best teachers. Browns players can look forward to plenty of sarcasm and humor. The coach might lighten the mood by mixing embarrassing player photos into a presentation during team meetings.

He drew laughs Friday after displaying an image of his teenage self wearing an MTV T-shirt and Beavis-and-Butthead length corduroy shorts under the caption: “Young Studs.”

When a reporter attempted to take a picture of the projected image, Pettine yelled: “Stop. I don’t want that all over Twitter in five seconds.”

He obviously has bigger concerns such as establishing what it means to “Play like a Brown.” In his mind’s eye, it’s about being “tough” and “competitive” and “passionate” and “relentless” and “productive” and “accountable.”

In the past six years, playing like a Brown has meant never winning more than five games in a season.

“Football is a tough sport for tough people,” Pettine said. “When you are trying to change a losing culture, mental toughness is as important as physical toughness.”

Meyer said he’s known Pettine since the late 1990s when the Buckeyes coach was recruiting eastern Pennsylvania.

“I think he’s the right guy, too,” Meyer said.

The OSU coach was impressed with Pettine’s presentation. He also addressed the Browns’ sorry recent history, one that Pettine refuses to ignore.

“It was shocking when he showed the records since ’91,” Meyer said. “Cleveland is too good. Cleveland is too good of a city ... Cleveland is too good of an organization ... All of us (are like) ‘let’s go.’’’


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Thanks Ytown.

This guy wins more of me over every time I read / hear him talk.


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He's the guy.


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As long as he gets a good QB yeah...

Any coach can win with Good QB play...

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A great read.

The more I find out about this guy, the more I think he's the right kind of coach for the team.

I've talked about team culture for years... and this is the first time that any coach has laid out a step-by-step plan to address it. It's no coincidence that the traits this team needs to turn around its losing culture are the very same traits needed for sustained success.

I'll never forget how much I hated Joey Porter the day after he said: "Browns are soft. There IS no 'rivalry.'" I hated him because he dissed my team... and I hated him because he was right.

This coach has all but said it outright: "if you can't handle the heat, I will find out- and you'l be gone." Not tough enough? Bye. Weak mind/attitude? Seeya.

I remember this movie from the 80's about an inner city HS teacher who took an unruly class of underachievers, and turned them into a championship-caliber chess team. He did it with toughness, love, humor and exceedingly high standards. In essence, the movie was about the hardships and challenges of changing a losing culture... and that's exactly what's being proposed for the Browns.

I am soooo down with this, I can barely wait. We've seen glimpses of what he's talking about, but they only last for a game or two. Monday night Giants game, the 8-turnover Steelers game, and a few others. Sometimes, they only last for a series or two. That's luck. That isn't culture.

I really hated the quick reset that happened after Chud/Norv/Ray's only year. I thought it was reactionary, over-the-top, and ill-advised. Now, I'm not so sure I still feel that way. This guy is really, really growing on me.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what's next.... and that's without the usual twinge of dread in the mix.

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I think that this is part of the reason why we made some moves that some have derided as "lateral", specifically letting DQ and Ward go, while bringing in Dansby and Whitner. DQ and Ward were rather quiet. They were expected to be leaders on the team, but all too often the team was weak and collapsed under pressure. They were good as long as the team started well, and continued to play well throughout the game. However, once adversity struck, the team all too often fell apart. One big mistake was enough to derail what had been a solid effort. That is a sign of mental weakness, and a lack of leadership.

We now have Dansby and Whitner in leadership roles. Both guys have been part of big turnarounds. They know, and can communicate just how hard you have to work to get over the hump, but also how rewarding it is to get there. Both guys should be hungry enough to want to win it all, and can definitely push the team to do all it can to make that happen.

I remember seeing the team, and defense, fall apart last year, and there was no one who stepped up when the team was sliding to say "Enough!", at least among the players. I think that we have 2 guys who can snap the defense back to life and make them stand up, instead of rolling over and playing dead.


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Pettine wanted more veterans on the team to balance things out a little. We especially needed that on D. Unlike O where you want calm and precision, on D you at times want controlled rage. We didn't have that.

That is what made Ray Lewis such a great player. No way was he going to let other members of the D slide.


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This guy wins more of me over every time I read / hear him talk.




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I'm really rooting for Mike. Not just cause I'm sick of switching coaches and etc either.

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YTown, that was great stuff there. I really believe in mental toughness; we haven't been tough enough and it has shown on the sidelines as well as on the field. I want to see "elevated" play.


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I think that this is part of the reason why we made some moves that some have derided as "lateral", specifically letting DQ and Ward go, while bringing in Dansby and Whitner. DQ and Ward were rather quiet. They were expected to be leaders on the team, but all too often the team was weak and collapsed under pressure. They were good as long as the team started well, and continued to play well throughout the game. However, once adversity struck, the team all too often fell apart. One big mistake was enough to derail what had been a solid effort. That is a sign of mental weakness, and a lack of leadership.






+1 that weakness was also displayed in the Cinnci game where we jumped out to a lead and collapsed , they could not handle success well either.... that is a sign of mental weakness,... I think Vers alluded to this numerous times.


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I get more impressed with Pettine with each article I read or interview I watch.

Now go out there and get it done Coach....


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I think that this is part of the reason why we made some moves that some have derided as "lateral", specifically letting DQ and Ward go, while bringing in Dansby and Whitner. DQ and Ward were rather quiet. They were expected to be leaders on the team, but all too often the team was weak and collapsed under pressure. They were good as long as the team started well, and continued to play well throughout the game. However, once adversity struck, the team all too often fell apart. One big mistake was enough to derail what had been a solid effort. That is a sign of mental weakness, and a lack of leadership.






+1 that weakness was also displayed in the Cinnci game where we jumped out to a lead and collapsed , they could not handle success well either.... that is a sign of mental weakness,... I think Vers alluded to this numerous times.




Yeah, Vers was right in that regard. The team collapsed all to often when faced with adversity. We didn't have that strong leader to step up and set the team straight. Sometiems that just has to come from a player.


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Off topic but it's one of my top five FAVORITE movies. Top three of the five even!

A JELLY DOUGHNUT!?!?!?!


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This all sounds good. Saying it and executing it are two different things. I'm at the point I've heard so much from so many different people, I want to see it before I get excited about how good it sounds.


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Sometimes it is hard for me to be a browns fan.

This rah rah we are tough stuff bothers me. It isn't really sensible to be a football fan.

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This all sounds good. Saying it and executing it are two different things. I'm at the point I've heard so much from so many different people, I want to see it before I get excited about how good it sounds.




I think I'm in the same mind set as you.. They need to Just DO IT...


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On a side note, I really can't wait to watch and observe Mike's reactions while on the sidelines and etc. I'm hoping he is a high-energy guy that isn't afraid to get into a player's face and chew their ear holes out... that is exactly the type of coach I want, and that I 'think' we need. No more of these soft coaches and crap. Force personal accountability and responsibility and if you don't do your job, you're outta there.




I never really understood why this matters so much to so many fans. Is Bill Bellichick fiery? Was Tom Landry, John Madden, Joe Gibbs, Don Shula? Yes there's examples of of great fiery head coaches as well but most fans want "passionate" coach because when the players screw up they want someone on their TV screen in a position of authority who expresses their own anger and frustration. They want to see the mad dad. It's not in and of itself an important characteristic of a good coach and the hot heads and loose cannons sometimes undermine their own credibility when they loose it on a regular basis. I'll take calm, cool, professional and unflappable as much as anything else thank you very much.




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I think you are overdoing it w/saying guys like Shula, Madden, and Belichich are not fiery.

It's a matter of opinion. Not sure why you are upset why some prefer guys who are emotional. As a player, I much preferred the passionate coach over the calm, cool, robot.

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Passionate? Sure, but I want a guy who is showing total control. Not like Jim Harbaugh...just don't like his antics.


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I never really understood why this matters so much to so many fans. Is Bill Bellichick fiery? Was Tom Landry, John Madden, Joe Gibbs, Don Shula? Yes there's examples of of great fiery head coaches as well but most fans want "passionate" coach because when the players screw up they want someone on their TV screen in a position of authority who expresses their own anger and frustration. They want to see the mad dad. It's not in and of itself an important characteristic of a good coach and the hot heads and loose cannons sometimes undermine their own credibility when they loose it on a regular basis. I'll take calm, cool, professional and unflappable as much as anything else thank you very much.




Because it matters when I see Romeo Crennel, Chud and etc just baby these players. You speak of Bill Belliceck... do you THINK Bill would have tolerated horrible, inconsistent and flat out poor play by Davone Bess and Greg Little such as Chud did, for one example? HELL NO... Bill would have benched, axed or at least SOMETHING. I'm not syaing I want to see the "mad dad", I just want a coach who'll hold these players accountable and responsible for their performance. If they play lights out (ie, Josh Gordon) - they should get acknowledged and praised. If they play like Bess, they should... well you know.

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Honestly if those are the traits that gets us wins, then I'll take it too. Calm, cool and etc haven't gotten us much but under five win seasons though...

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I believe you can have a coach who requires accountability from his players without sideline antics. I believe he can instill discipline in his players without sideline antics. I'm not so sure some irrational looking display on TV adds to the effectiveness of a HC.

I'm sure Tom Landry and many others that have been mentioned in this thread actually demanded discipline and accountability from their players without irrational sideline demonstrations.

I don't see how losing your cool in the face of adversity adds anything to the skill set of HC.


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Above anything. I think a dive into the Jerry Hughes situation when it comes to Pettine is worth a long hard look as it relates to Mingo. Cut by the Colts, turned into the most productive (per pro football focus) pass rusher last season by Pettine.

I don't have the time or the resources to do such a break down. If there were a Cleveland Browns beat writer worth a damn, it would already exist.

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Play like a Brown...

I'm not sure what that means now (since 1999)...seriously !

Since 1999, there really isn't much that I can recall that makes me feel like the play of the Browns is exceptional in any way.

IMO, the teams coached by Pettine have an opportunity to establish a (the) standard of success over the next 2,3 or 4 seasons that the fans, players and coaches can point to and say, that is what it means to "play like a Brown".

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I agree...Id rather we play like the Patriots or Steelers or something

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I think what he means is he wants his Teams to play like the Browns of yesteryear, the Kosar yrs. The Pride of the '60's Teams. I doubt he is thinking of any '00 thru Teams.


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I think I'm in the same mind set as you.. They need to Just DO IT...




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I believe you can have a coach who requires accountability from his players without sideline antics. I believe he can instill discipline in his players without sideline antics. I'm not so sure some irrational looking display on TV adds to the effectiveness of a HC.

I'm sure Tom Landry and many others that have been mentioned in this thread actually demanded discipline and accountability from their players without irrational sideline demonstrations.

I don't see how losing your cool in the face of adversity adds anything to the skill set of HC.




While it's true that it is possible for a coach to establish discipline and accountability without sideline antics...I see nothing wrong with a coach who does show emotion on the sidelines.

What some might call "antics", I might call "emotions"...

Some coaches have a knack for using "emotion" to help motivate a player or a group of players, that might include the outward display of emotion on the sidelines...not a thing wrong with that.

Also, as a coach, you never want to miss an opportunity to teach a player and if that moment happens to be on the sidelines, in front of the fans...so be it.

I don't want to see out of control emotions that is borderline nuts...but controlled emotion used in a positive fashion, is a good thing, IMO.

I want Coach Pettine to be, who he is...and not try to be something or someone he is not, just for the sake of some fans or the media.

Football is an emotional game for everyone involved...even the HC.





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How can that be? He's not the coach we wanted, he was like our 19th choice and not even on our original search list... It was an epic failure desperation hire by the FO...


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I know in High School, my coach was pretty rough and etc and we weren't getting paid even to play. It got us to play harder cause no one wanted to get an ear full of him. No one thought he was an "a$$", just respected him due to his high energy levels. Good person to play any sport under IMO.

I think sometimes cause this is a "professional" sport, we can get a little mixed up on how old these players can be. Some of them are in their extreme low 20's - maybe a good earful is what the doctor ordered.

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