And legal recourse....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA from the Federal govt. Pass that stuff over that you are smoking...it must be some really good stuff...
and as to who was over-reacting???? I don't know...I didn't see any federal police officers being tased or thrown to the ground....just old or pregnant women...Also it wasn't the Bundy's who slaughtered all of that cattle for no reason whatsoever.(and then lied about it)
Look.....I don't know if Bundy is right in all of this...heck he probably isn't...in a literal legal sense. And "maybe" part of the problem is that the law is wrong..maybe not...But what this has exposed is some shady dealings in the government in how things are being run and the thug tactics they feel entitled to use. And they were THUG tactics. All the name calling toward the militia is not going to change that.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
I think we've been at or past that point for a long time. I'm not pointing the finger at you per say, but it seems many have just waited for this particular point in time to elude to it.
I believe we went past that point the moment The Patriot Act was put into law. And we were already close without it.
Any party can use the tag "terrorist" to cause undo persecution, imprisonment without charges and generally step on every right a citizen has in this country. I believe that's well stepping over the bounds you described.
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Quote: I also wonder why a group of over compensating dudes brandishing their expensive man toys and calling themselves a militia, while proudly stating they would have their women stand in front, aren't taking their ego toys to someplace like Afghanistan or the Ukraine.
Well if you want to use the "there's always a bigger badder fight out there" then why is the federal government devoting all of these resources to hitting up a rancher for a measly million dollars in fines when the debt is at $17 trillion and counting? Don't they have something more important to do?
It doesn't matter to the government what the cost of collecting $1 million in disputed fees is. Their interpretation of their own authority is all that matters. If they spent $100 million collecting $1 million, it would make sense to them.
Quote: I think we've been at or past that point for a long time. I'm not pointing the finger at you per say, but it seems many have just waited for this particular point in time to elude to it.
I believe we went past that point the moment The Patriot Act was put into law. And we were already close without it.
Hadn't we crossed the line at Waco? At Ruby Ridge? At the internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry? With the institution of the income tax? At any number of a multitude of other points along the way?
Quote: Any party can use the tag "terrorist" to cause undo persecution, imprisonment without charges and generally step on every right a citizen has in this country. I believe that's well stepping over the bounds you described.
I don't use the word 'terrorist' to describe folks like Harry Reid, et al. I would call them 'traitors' and I feel they should be treated as such, but I wouldn't call them 'terrorists'. I would certainly call them 'tyrants' but not 'terrorists'. Terrorists may not be a strong enough term anymore. Folks like Harry Reid and his ilk have already used it so often that it's meaning has been devalued.
Quote: Hadn't we crossed the line at Waco? At Ruby Ridge? At the internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry? With the institution of the income tax? At any number of a multitude of other points along the way?
I believe you are right in that they did. But they were farther and further between. Far more people questioned such things.
What the politics of the day did was scare people into supporting the Patriot Act that gave them free reign and legal rights to do it at any time, for any given reason. So now there is nothing to stop them from using it often and without nearly the criticism. They legitimized it into law.
Quote: I don't use the word 'terrorist' to describe folks like Harry Reid, et al. I would call them 'traitors' and I feel they should be treated as such, but I wouldn't call them 'terrorists'. I would certainly call them 'tyrants' but not 'terrorists'. Terrorists may not be a strong enough term anymore. Folks like Harry Reid and his ilk have already used it so often that it's meaning has been devalued.
It seems to me you wish to narrow it down to only liberals who use such tactics. It's not. Each side uses these tactics to suit their own agenda. It's not as black and white an your above quote seems to indicate IMO
Both sides have the ability to use the term "terrorist" to suit their agenda and have.
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We shouldn't be worrying about the government sending armed agents and dogs to collect a debt from a lone rancher. No, we have the TSA and their pat downs of 2 and 6 year old kids. Anyone else would get 20 years for this.
It's a skimpy shirt and leggings.. what in the hell could she possibly be hiding under leggings, which are skin tight, that would give you cause to run your hands up and down her legs THREE TIMES?
I bet if they were illegals occupying that govt. land,he be ordering the tsa to give cell phones, access cards, and brought to a comfortable hotel an try to get them registered democrat ,ole dirty harry wouldnt be calling them terrorist ,and the ral kicker is they would,nt have to pay a penny of it back lol
Quote: I bet if they were illegals occupying that govt. land,he be ordering the tsa to give cell phones, access cards, and brought to a comfortable hotel an try to get them registered democrat ,ole dirty harry wouldnt be calling them terrorist ,and the ral kicker is they would,nt have to pay a penny of it back lol
Funny thing you mention that. seems Boehner is on board with the same legislation as the Obama administration.
And while I don't have current figures, you might want to look at Obama's first term before slinging stones.
Quote: According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.
If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.
We wondered whether there might have been a surge of undocumented immigrants that explained the increase, but there wasn’t. During the first two years of Obama’s tenure, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the illegal immigrant population nationwide at 11.2 million, compared to an average during Bush’s eight-year tenure of 10.6 million. And illegal immigration actually peaked late in Bush’s second term, at which point the recession hit and the numbers declined under Obama. Such patterns do not explain the 57 percent bump in monthly deportations that we found under Obama.
I don't uphold a lot of his agenda, but saying things just to say things doesn't make them real. Both sides are playing for the Latino vote. Let's not cloud that.
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Im talking about HARRY REID, idiot, never brought up any president , i was just giving a humorous opinion so dont get your panties in a wad unless you know im right ,and are trying to defend him , so just 'consider the source " and guit trying to make b.s. up it doesent become you, no need to answer cause im thru with you and your biases
Look, i am reg. democrat and proud to say so and i dont know much about immigration reform to debate it with anyone i just dont apprecate Reid being a U.S. senator dem,or repub saying the things he says or why,so please as a fellow dawg ,its just my opinion and thats all ,so get over it.
Quote: Look, i am reg. democrat and proud to say so and i dont know much about immigration reform to debate it with anyone i just dont apprecate Reid being a U.S. senator dem,or repub saying the things he says or why,so please as a fellow dawg ,its just my opinion and thats all ,so get over it.
See, we actually agree about Harry Reid. That's why I have trouble understanding you seeing such a huge battle here. I just feel it's far more wide spread in Washington than that.
Since I'm actually not the one calling names or telling people to get over it, maybe you should look in the mirror on that one?
A lot of people like to point out one politician or one side of the aisle as having some kind of monopoly on stupidity and I simply see it as a much bigger issue than that.
If you don't, more power to you. I'm not the least bit upset with you or your opinions. ie.... My panties aren't in a wad, I'm not an idiot over the subject and actually have nothing to get over.
So you have a nice day.
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I was a little miffed about the consider the source remark maybe i took it the wrong way and im over it , lets move on , and you have a good one as well
Quote: I believe you are right in that they did. But they were farther and further between. Far more people questioned such things.
What the politics of the day did was scare people into supporting the Patriot Act that gave them free reign and legal rights to do it at any time, for any given reason. So now there is nothing to stop them from using it often and without nearly the criticism. They legitimized it into law.
You can look back in the archives. I'm the largest advocate for repeal (entirely) of the Patriot Act. I was never for it. It's totally erases the 4th Amendment.
I dare say that every piece of legislation that you see offered up (not just the stuff that they actually vote on) at any level of government has a single purpose, to placate one voting block or another. To curry favor with that voting block. Hardly any thought (if at all) is ever given to the enforcement of the legislation that they enact.
Quote: It seems to me you wish to narrow it down to only liberals who use such tactics. It's not. Each side uses these tactics to suit their own agenda. It's not as black and white an your above quote seems to indicate IMO
Both sides have the ability to use the term "terrorist" to suit their agenda and have.
I don't narrow it down to just liberals (but, as someone that opposes every word that comes out of Harry Reid's mouth), I will certainly use him as an example. I could as easily used the name Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Andrew Cuomo or Hillary Clinton or any number of politicians. I could use the names John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Chris Christie, any politician named Bush, etc. and it would be exactly the same thing.
In the topic of discussion though, Harry Reid's name plays a more precise part than the others.
You know, of course, that the grandkids of an elderly woman are obvious terrorists but the sweaty and unshaven man carrying a Koran and mumbling to himself in Arabic should be allowed to walk through without a second thought. His sensibilities might get upset.
Quote: I wonder why Obama doesn't brag about all of those deportations?
Is that a serious question or are you being facetious?
Both. I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is but if somebody would like to answer it, I'd be more than happy to read the answer.
Firstly I don't believe he had any direct impact on how many were actually deported. I highly doubt he mandated or pushed anything to directly impact those numbers. But the numbers are a statistical fact none the less.
And as why he didn't brag about it? I believe it would have been very offensive to a voting base to which both parties to a large extent are trying to pander to.
It would be disadvantageous to his political goals and to his re-election at that point in time to even mention it. I'm really quite surprised that the GOP didn't bring it up in his re-election campaign. I believe it would have been some very good campaign ammunition.
JMHO
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Quote: We shouldn't be worrying about the government sending armed agents and dogs to collect a debt from a lone rancher. No, we have the TSA and their pat downs of 2 and 6 year old kids. Anyone else would get 20 years for this.
This is sickening to me. This is brainwashing. They are conditioning the youngest generation to be poked a prodded and think it is OK....and the parents seem to make it a game.
I would be warning the agents they better not get too personal with my child. I would be protesting the whole things. These TSA agents treat the kids like it's Romper Room and it's all a game.
They know these kids aren't a problem. They are simply targeting children to condition the mind.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Throw the book at this welfare queen. These Liberal Militias demanding their Gov't handouts. Unreal. The State of Nevada needs to crackdown on food stamps, that includes cattle.
Then, start a pilot program removing FCC protection from Hannity's AM frequencies. Let the basement DJ's take his airwaves.
Quote: This is sickening to me. This is brainwashing. They are conditioning the youngest generation to be poked a prodded and think it is OK....and the parents seem to make it a game.
I would be warning the agents they better not get too personal with my child. I would be protesting the whole things. These TSA agents treat the kids like it's Romper Room and it's all a game.
They know these kids aren't a problem. They are simply targeting children to condition the mind.
Peen I honestly had not considered that angle but wow... that sounds so true and so scary...
Quote: “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher told a group of about 50 supporters. He began describing a housing project he had seen in North Las Vegas, which he said was occupied entirely by African Americans.
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton."
“And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
can somebody break this down for me? i don't understand this. cause i reading a bunch of different articles, and at the end of it all, it keeps coming to my attention that this guy wasn't paying taxes. which is illegal.
so i'm trying to understand why the government is in the wrong on this.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It wasn't taxes, it was fees for using government land but that's semantics.. a fee to the government is basically a tax only you know what you are paying for....
As to your question, most people think the guy should pay the fines and that the government should have some recourse.... I think most people are upset that the government showed up with guns to take his cattle from him and that they had already killed some of his cattle.
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