Quote: “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher told a group of about 50 supporters. He began describing a housing project he had seen in North Las Vegas, which he said was occupied entirely by African Americans.
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton."
“And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
Now watch all the right wing extremists and teabaggers that got behind this racist fly off to their next location to start or jump on some other anti goverment cause. I can hear the rat stampede, much like his cattle, running as fast as they can to distance themselves from this nut case that they now know will ruin all their lives.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
I wanted to withhold my opinions on Bundy and his situation untill more info came out. I had an uneasy feeling about him from the get-go. When it initially came out, it was sold as being a "states rights" stand, but then things started to catch my attention. First and foremost InfoWars was supporting him(a red flag popped up right away). Then when he started talking, it sounded more and more like he was mincing words and avoiding questions(especially in his interview with Glenn Beck where Beck took him to task and he wouldn't asnwer straight).
He continued to mention things like "I don't recognize the federal gov't", or "we need to disarm the gov't" and then it hit me. The guy isn't a a conservative or libertarian. He subscribes to the Sovereign Citizen Movement(if you don't know what it is, you should do your research as it's a pretty scary group) and is borderline anarchist. Then the InfoWars thing made sense. InfoWars is also part of the SCM and that's why they are willing to support this guy,
While he initially had Tea Party support, I believe others caught onto the same thing I did and have left him. This guy isn't a Tea Party follower, He is a biggoted anarchist that doesn't even recognize the federal gov't. The Tea Party will do itself a favor by continuing to distance themselves from SCM and anything affiliated with them.
This guy might be a nut, a total lunatic, he might be a racist and an anarchist, he is almost definitely a law breaker.. none of that changes the fact that we have a government that is too big and routinely oversteps it's bounds.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy owes much of his newfound fame to Fox News, which has given his armed standoff against the federal government close to wall-to-wall coverage and elevated him as a victim of government overreach. Since the rancher’s standoff with the Bureau of Land Management over his decades of illegal grazing on public lands, Fox News has mentioned Bundy 469 times.
But on Thursday, after the New York Times highlighted racist remarks Bundy made suggesting “the Negro” was better off under slavery, the conservative network stayed remarkably quiet. By 5 pm, no one on Fox News had even acknowledged the controversy. Even as Bundy held a press conference that turned into an even more racist meltdown, Fox News was running a segment criticizing the media for not pushing Hillary Clinton on Benghazi.
Sean Hannity, who has been Bundy’s most strident champion on the network, did condemn his comments on his radio show as “beyond repugnant” and “obnoxious, ignorant.”
The blackout is not unusual for Fox News. The network has ignored a number of major news stories that are bad for conservatives. For instance, Fox was virtually silent during the firestorm surrounding Rep. Todd Akin’s (R-MO) claim that women could not become pregnant from “legitimate rape,” as well as failed Senate candidate Richard Mourdock’s claim that rape pregnancies were “a gift from God.”
Quote: This guy might be a nut, a total lunatic, he might be a racist and an anarchist, he is almost definitely a law breaker.. none of that changes the fact that we have a government that is too big and routinely oversteps it's bounds.
But there's a danger in 'putting a face on it', so to speak. People end up believing that if they get rid of X, things might turn around, but in reality, Y just takes it's place and the carousel goes 'round'.
Just watched this rancher's rant about "the negro" ...
I think this guys imported his persona from 1866! He's a Bigot and an Anti-Government Rebel; to me this makes him nothing less than a threat to America and a hate monger. I'd label him a homegrown racist-radical and treat him like an enemy of the state.
Seriously felt like I was watching a KKK leader's rant. No way can I understand or accept this behavior and think he should be punished somehow for it. I know the freedom of speech Blah Blah Blah...
When your foot is in your mouth the best case of action is to insert the other foot.
"I’m not saying that I thought they should be slaves, or – I’m not even saying they was better off… I’m wondering if they’re better off,” he said at a press conference recorded by RT's video news agency Ruptly. "Are they slaves to charities and government subsidized homes? And are they slaves when their daughters are having abortions and their sons are in the prisons? This thought goes back a long time."
Speaking with CNN, meanwhile, Bundy invoked civil rights icons Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr., saying that while he might have “sinned,” his freedom of expression should be tolerated.
"Maybe I sinned, maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said," Bundy said. "But when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think and our feelings — we don’t have freedom to say what we want. If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave' — I’m not — if those people cannot take those kinda words and not be offensive, then Martin Luther King hasn’t got his job done yet."
Quote: Just watched this rancher's rant about "the negro" ...
I think this guys imported his persona from 1866! He's a Bigot and an Anti-Government Rebel; to me this makes him nothing less than a threat to America and a hate monger. I'd label him a homegrown racist-radical and treat him like an enemy of the state.
Seriously felt like I was watching a KKK leader's rant. No way can I understand or accept this behavior and think he should be punished somehow for it. I know the freedom of speech Blah Blah Blah...
Really? Maybe you should look philosophically at his statement more than simply the word.
Is it better to be a person that is forced into slavery by threat of violence or self-enslaved because of laziness on the person that's a slave?
But, of course, it's better if an actual (not supposed) murderous racist (or anti-Semite) is a government informant?
God help this country because its people have become mentally lazy.
Quote: You really think there's a valid philosophical debate on whether it's better to be an inhuman indentured servant or a lazy leech?
Anyone here want to pick inhuman indentured slave?
I'm not agreeing with the guy but two points.. first everybody here is going to pick lazy leech because that implies that you can work your way out of it and I'm pretty sure everybody on this board assumes they would work their way out of it.
Second, the question isn't which is better, the question is under which set of circumstances was their quality of life better? So if you remove the "upward mobility" component of the argument, slaves were never kicked out of their subsidized housing, they always had a place to live... they didn't have to worry about their food stamps running out, they always knew where their next meal was coming from... I'm not extolling the virtues of slavery obviously but if you had a non-violent owner, there was a certain consistency to being a slave that being a leech off the state just doesn't provide...
So I guess my point is that I think it is not as cut and dried as you think it is and it is worthy of some intellectual discussion...
A racist rancher that is now taking advantage of BLM lands and sucking off of our tax dollars is one million dollars worse then a poor family on food stamps.
Bet all the ranchers would have been better off when there was a lawless society in the old west when losing scores of cattle to disease and poachers was the norm. Ranchers back then depended on the U.S. Calvery to come riding in to protect their interest. Bet Bundy would have hated that, right?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Quote: A racist rancher that is now taking advantage of BLM lands and sucking off of our tax dollars is one million dollars worse then a poor family on food stamps.
That wasn't the comparison that anybody was making but ok.... Why? He has a job, he has employees, I assume he pays his taxes and his employees do as well, he provides beef or leather or whatever he does with his cattle as an industry... What does the food stamp family provide to our economy? His cattle are eating grass and pooping on government land.. the land will be there, the government will own it, and the grass will grow whether his cattle are there eating it or not... if they stay and eat the grass or he moves them, how does that affect you or me? If the food stamp family gets off food stamps how does that affect you or me?
I think the best way to form this debate, to modernize it and make us all understand the consequences to both sides, would be, would you rather be in a California Prison (Basically labor camp) or would you rather be on welfare?
Quote: A racist rancher that is now taking advantage of BLM lands and sucking off of our tax dollars is one million dollars worse then a poor family on food stamps.
That wasn't the comparison that anybody was making but ok.... Why? He has a job, he has employees, I assume he pays his taxes and his employees do as well, he provides beef or leather or whatever he does with his cattle as an industry... What does the food stamp family provide to our economy? His cattle are eating grass and pooping on government land.. the land will be there, the government will own it, and the grass will grow whether his cattle are there eating it or not... if they stay and eat the grass or he moves them, how does that affect you or me? If the food stamp family gets off food stamps how does that affect you or me?
He owes millions of dollars to the BLM which is supported by us, the American tax payers. He owes us. Also there are other animals includng endagered species that use the land. It must be regulated and controlled by the BLM, it's what they have done for decades. If this goes unchecked the lands will go overused and the grass won't grow anymore. Game over.
Corp welfare, or this type of racist rancher welfare is a much bigger problem then african american's or any poor family on food stamps. We can't take care of each other, but we let the banks, and big biz run rough shod all over us. That was my point.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Quote: You really think there's a valid philosophical debate on whether it's better to be an inhuman indentured servant or a lazy leech?
Anyone here want to pick inhuman indentured slave?
I'm not agreeing with the guy but two points.. first everybody here is going to pick lazy leech because that implies that you can work your way out of it and I'm pretty sure everybody on this board assumes they would work their way out of it.
Second, the question isn't which is better, the question is under which set of circumstances was their quality of life better? So if you remove the "upward mobility" component of the argument, slaves were never kicked out of their subsidized housing, they always had a place to live... they didn't have to worry about their food stamps running out, they always knew where their next meal was coming from... I'm not extolling the virtues of slavery obviously but if you had a non-violent owner, there was a certain consistency to being a slave that being a leech off the state just doesn't provide...
So I guess my point is that I think it is not as cut and dried as you think it is and it is worthy of some intellectual discussion...
Maybe PDR (since he's so smart) can listen to what Cliven Bundy ACTUALLY said and then what was reported he said.
Didn't you hear? You just need one minority to agree with you for you not to be racist.
For example, I, as a hispanic, absolve the KKK Grandwizard of being a racist. I think he's just misunderstood. Good. Now everything's is better and I'm glad we could settle that.
You keep adding dimensions to the discussion.. that's fine but this isn't about protecting endangered species, this is all about the money, which he owes. I don't dispute that.
Quote: Corp welfare, or this type of racist rancher welfare is a much bigger problem
You added corporate welfare, to which I would say that at least corporations provide a service, the provide jobs, they pay taxes, they provide something of benefit. (As an aside, why do you add "racist" every time you mention this guy? Whether he is racist or not has nothing to do with the financial and legal aspect of the discussion.)
Quote: african american's or any poor family on food stamps. We can't take care of each other, but we let the banks, and big biz run rough shod all over us. That was my point.
Well yea, any poor family.. but there are 12 million+ of those families receiving $131 billion+ in welfare and that doesn't even count food stamps, housing, and all of the other costs.. and this guy is a rancher, an individual rancher, he's not the CEO of Exxon/Ranchers or Ranchers of America or General Ranchers..... if you want to debate big corporations and the benes they receive etc that is a discussion I'm willing to have but it has nothing to do with this guy... whole different league, whole different set of circumstances...
so...the guy is paying what he's suppose to be paying..and now he's going off about slaves and such....and we got guys defending him.
ok.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think what I've seen some do is try to rationalize that while other ranchers are paying the grazing fees, and while he was paying grazing fees until 1993, that it's somehow wrong for the government to go to extreme measures after he neglected paying his grazing fees for over two decades.
I just wonder if the government had information before hand that would lead them to believe they would be facing an angry group of armed civilians? That may explain a lot.
Much like you, I simply don't see why so many seem to be defending a person not paying these grazing fees. The other ranchers do and seem to be doing fine. I don't see why he should be exempt or even makes a valid point as to why he shouldn't be paying them.
Saying "I don't recognize the federal government" is no real defense.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I guess when ole dirty HARRY REID stereotyped now PRES. OBAMA, speaking patterns as " no negro dialect unless he needed one" [while he was running for presidedent ] was 0k with the left ,he apologized and all was forgiven now where the tolerance for a dumb guy making a dumb bunch of remaks. Dont get me wrong i dont agree at all with his remarks cause they were very insensitve and ignorant,and i feel the same way about REIDS remarks ,but the difference is he was a U.S.senator that represented the dem. party IMO.
I know that I could find about 25-30% of the black population that would agree with them. The other 70-75% wouldn't care what he said and would take what was reported as fact. The Ministry of Truth is at it again.
Do you ever just take a moment to think about how ignorant and moronic you sound? In the past week I've seen you say to someone that Hitler would be proud of what they were doing and now you're agreeing that someone who believes that African-Americans have more freedom when they were slaves instead of now.
A whole lot of effort into defending this white welfare bum by saying maybe his racist rant is right if you read it a certain way and his theft isn't as bad as the money provided to help people and it doesn't matter anyway because he's another victim of the leftist media.
