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Hi All,

Many mocks have us taking some sort of offensive lineman (OT/OG), a WR, and a QB with our first three picks. You can do this in any order, getting different quality players at each position. So I wondered what people would do if given the choice. So who do you take with Picks 4,26,35 (one at each of these positions) in order to fill all three spots with the best talent:

Pick 4 (You can take any player you want, assume none are off the board).

Pick 26 (Take another player at one of the three positions, assume the following are off the board):

Greg Robinson
Jake Matthews
Taylor Lewin
Zach Martin
Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Teddy Bridgewater
Johnny Manziel
Blake Bortles
Eric Ebron (if you were trying to fill him in as a WR, don't)

Pick 35 - Take another player from these three positions, assuming everybody from 26 is off the board, plus the following players:

Brandon Cooks
Odell Beckham
Marquise Lee
Derek Carr
Xavier Su'a Filo


So for instance you can pick:
Teddy Bridgewater
Marquise Lee
Morgan Moses

or maybe:

Greg Robinson
Derek Carr
Davante Adams

or whatever combination you want. Which one makes for the best offense next year - what about in the future?

4. Sammy Watkins, WR
26. Xavier Su'a Filo, OG
35. Since I have to take a QB here, Jimmy Garoppolo.

At 35 I'd rather go Kyle Fuller, then grab AJ McCarron in 3

Teddy
Lee
G.Jackson

or (slightly adjusted)

Teddy
Z.Martin (small uptrade)
Matthews

Johnny Manziel
Marquise Lee
Carlos Hyde

These three players make your offensive line better by proxy, imho...

{edit} I feel I should elaborate on my decision to go off the subject in ignoring the offensive line. IMHO, this line is no where near in as dire straights as the national media puts it. With the addition of McQuistan, this offensive line will be better than just ok. When Hoyer was in at QB, the line looked very good...With low profile Edwin Baker taking over at RB, the line looked better than average...The line's issues last season, were not issues at all imho...QBs Weeden and Campbell made the pass protection look terrible, RBs TRich and McGahee made the rush blocking look dismal due to their lack of ability to get to the hole and do something with it. TRich went on to the Colts and looked even worse than he did in Cleveland...wasn't their line either, Brown was just fine behind that line.

I simply don't see an enormous hole on this line that says this team can't win unless we plug that hole.

A combo of Hyde and Tate give this team a rushing boost we haven't seen since the 80's.

Lee gives Manziel a secondary target to Gordon, that could develop into the best tandem in the league. Yes, Lee would be a #2, not a #1 like he would be on many other teams..How many double teams can defenses spend on Gordon with Lee and Cameron? Add in slot receiver Hawkins and veteran leadership in Burleson and this team is ready for takeoff...Imagine a team where IF Little makes the team he is 6th on the depth chart...

Gordon
Lee
Hawkins
Benjamin
Burleson
Little

Others still to evaluate, Cooper, Gurley and Johnson..

That is a definite step in the right direction along with a step towards covering for Gordon if he screws up again.

Well, with this scenario, Manziel (or any QB, including Hoyer) is set up to succeed.

How confident would you be going into 2015 if you are Shanahan? A lot of weapons to make a HUGE leap forward in your first year as OC.

j/c

The sad thing is we could have accomplished this exact same thing in 2012:

Matt Kalil
Alshon Jeffery
Russell Wilson

4 - Johnny Manziel - I think he is the best qb in the draft and has the highest potential out of the group to be a SB winning QB.

26 - Marqise Lee - Think he has the best potential to be a stud at the next level of the wide receivers left.

35 - David Yankey - Get a guard to shore up the offensive line.

This is my dream draft at the moment as well.

Bridgewater
Jordan Mathews
Sua-Filo



Gaurd class is weak, the fact that Yankey could be a 2nd round pick is amazing, he isn't a 3rd round guy. Not sure I would limit myself to offense only, but given the context of this thread....

If we are going strictly offense then here is mine:

4 = QB Bortles
I trade pick 26 for an early 2nd rnd pick plus additional picks
Early 2nd rnd = RB Hyde
35 = OG Yankey
I trade some combo of our extra picks for a mid to late 2nd rnd pick
Mid to late 2nd rnd pick = WR Matthews

I don't usually critique people mock drafts, but I don't see how taking Hyde in the 2nd round improves anything.

I don't want to be drafting back-ups unless it's maybe the QB for a period of time with any of the first 3 picks.


JMO....carry on.

I don't see Hyde as a backup. We may have signed Tate but I don't think he solves our RB problem. He is only signed for 2 years, has only 9 career starts in his 3 years in the league, and has never been able to stay healthy. While I like Tate I just can't see him being able to be a workhorse RB.

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I would say drafting someone like Carlos Hyde improves this team a great deal for the course of a season.

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Sure he would...as a 4th round pick. Not a guy taken at the top of the 2nd, but I digress...sorry I brought it up.

Sorry, I should let this go but...

In 2013, the Browns didn't have a starting quality RB on the team, then they traded away the best, bad, RB they had...They certainly didn't have someone to step in when their bad RBs were hurt or ineffective. Who wants to get caught with their pants down again?

The Seahawks had Lynch, who is a workhorse reliable RB...We have moved on to Ben Tate, whom I love as a runner, but reliable is not something I will ever label him as.

Now other end of the spectrum, another playoff team, the Moreno, Ball and Hillman...all averaged 4.0+ yards per carry. THAT is what I want, options in the running game...not one and done, Tate goes down and now it is all defense stop the pass time...

I wouldn't take a high 2nd round RB even if we didn't have Tate.

Personally, this is a moot argument, because I think there would be a defensive player that would help this team much more in this scenario at #35, but the rules of the post were improving the offense only in the first 3 picks...

I think Carlos Hyde would improve the offense more than any other offensive player left in this scenario.

You don't take a guard just to take one, if he doesn't fit what you are trying to do with the line. Sua'Filo is probably the only one I would take for ZBS and he was already taken in this scenario.

Pretty easy for me.

Bortles
Beckham Jr
Bitonio

trade the first pick and pick up buffalo's 8th pic, another second and maybe a 4th. I would take the best wr first, best middle lb 2nd and take mettenberger or grappalo with the extra 2nd pick then take the best cb left with the third and load uip on og's and db's the rest of the way.

4) Johnny Manziel, QB TA&M
26) Marqise Lee, WR USC
35) *Billy Turner, OL NDSU

Asterisk at 35 because I don't think the top three picks we have should take an OL... but that's probably who I would go with at this point in time if I was restricted to those parameters.

1. Manziel
2. Beckham, Jr.
3. X Fuoa

The offense can be fixed in one pick if the right QB is selected.

Under this criteria I go Manziel, Lee, and Seferian-Jenkins.

Manziel
Hyde
Beckham, Landry, Benjamin

Game on!

Those of you who said that Farmer should have picked up one of those guards in FA are right.

They have already fixed the offense by cutting two QBs.

Pass on Bridgewater. His stock is falling Bridgewater shaky workouts

Take Manziel at #4. If already gone, pickup Mettenber or McCarron later and take Sammy Watkins at #4.

If we get Manziel at #4, work a deal and move up to get Watkins or Mike Evans.
If we get Watkins at #4, take best Oline available at 26.

If we still have #35 pick, take Carlos Hyde.

If we still have pick #71, take best CB available (liking Stanley Jean-Baptiste).

At #83 take best available OG or ILB.

Get another CB in later rounds

J/C ...... after re-signing Mack and signing McQuistan, I would be shocked, stunned, and amazed if we devote another big resources to the OL. I don't see us going OL with anything before maybe the 4th round.

As far as 3 big needs, I don't have players, but I would guess that our 3 top priorities would be QB, CB, and ILB ..... with WR trailing just slightly behind. After that, maybe G, RB, another CB, and a backup/future FS.

Besides, last year we generally had respectable line play with Hoyer and Campbell in the game.

Hoyer was sacked 6 times in 96 pass attempts. That's roughly 30 sacks in 500 pass attempts. That's solid.

Campbell was sacked 16 times in 317 pass attempts. If he'd had 500 pass attempts, that would have been roughly 25 sacks in 500 pass attempts.

2 different QBs, but similar results and projections.

Weeden was the outlier. He was sacked 27 times in 267 pass attempts. That is almost 50 sacks in 500 pass attempts.

Further, I think that Greco and Schwartz are really better suited to a zone blocking scheme. When we ran the WCO under Shurmur, with a ZBS, Weeden was sacked only 28 times in 517 pass attempts. That offense forced the ball out of his hands quicker. The WCO that we will run next year under Shanahan will also force the ball out of the QB's hands quicker. I think that we should see maybe 25-35 sacks this year. The OL simply does not have to hold all day long. There will be a lot of "throw short-run long" type passes. Quick hit plays will be the norm, plus, we should have a much improved run game as well. By the way, 35 sacks would have put us 7th in the NFL last year. We were near the bottom last year, but that's because Weeden had 27 sacks (more than half our season total) in 267 of our total 680 pass attempts. (plus a special teams pass)

Further, last year we had little run game. That should change this year, and help take the pressure off of the OL.

I think that our OL will be fine. I don't see us dumping any higher draft picks into it this year.

Yep, if i had to bet money, I would bet that we go QB, CB, and ILB with our 1st 3 picks ..... in one order or another. (with maybe a pass rusher supreme as a semi surprise pick) I also suspect that we'll look for another CB, a RB, maybe a FS, and an OL.

Let's not forget that we held extra OL last year on the roster all year long so we could work with them. We have guys like Fragel, and Wallace, and Faulk, and Gilkey. Are guys we can draft this year in the 4th - 7th rounds better than the guys we have had for a whole season, and who have some level of experience? (at least in practices) I don't know. From what I can tell, OL is not a particular strength in this draft.

Anyway ..... JMHO.

j/c

#4 - Teddy Bridgewater
#26 - Derek Carr
#35 - Tom Savage


Find a QB and you fix the offense.

4: Greg Robinson
26: Jimmy G
35: Odell Beckham Jr.*

*I'd rather we chose a different position than offense with our 3rd pick.

though given the scenario he could take Jimmy G at 35, so that category of three players is still ok.

4) Johnny Football
26) Odell Beckham
35) Bitonio

There's no way I'd choose offense with the 1st three picks but for the sake of the thread I'd say

#4 Robinson(Teddy if gone)
#26 Lee
#35 Actually, there really is no one in either scenario I would be ok with putting here that wouldn't be a huge reach.

Depending on the team's confidence in Dion Lewis for 2014, I'd draft another RB. With so many picks, I think they can afford to burn one on a back...

4 - Teddy Bridgewater

26 - Odell Beckham

35 - David Yankey

Hey guess what... Let's fix the Defense in 3 picks!

4 - Khalil Mack LB Buffalo

26 - Kyle Fuller CB VT

35 - Dion Bailey S USC