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Just the infamous "GUT FEELING" - I don't even really know the guy, I might start getting to know him today (just found out half day yipee!) but I just have that feeling that this kid SAVAGE is going to be a Brown come May! Absolutely not a shred of football in that prediction. Pure strange feeling comes over me...like Paul Brown whispering in my ear...Savage get him and they will come...lol 
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That wouldnt be a bad thing...
I watched the kid at pitt this year almost every game. He's pretty talented.
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He's big enough, got a strong arm, seems like OK mobility (not Johnny football LOL).
Kinda wonder if changing schools hurt him or helped him? Dunno.
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I agree with Pettine's comments and believe that the main emphasis shouldn't be on a QB. Not at #4. Take the sure thing, a OL for protecting the QB's or a WR to compliment Gordon early.
Let the best QB's available, fall to us later in the draft.
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That's my opinion as well. There is no excuse for not walking away with a long term answer at QB this year. I'm scared to death we are going the Frye/Colt route again and wasting a valuable 2nd/3rd rounder on a guy that will never amount to anything. For every Brady/Wilson there is a 100s of more guys who got drafted mid rounds who busted.
As bad as some want to talk about the bust rate of the 1st round QBs that is still the better statistical approach for success. The hit rate is exponentially higher in round 1 than all of the other rounds by far. If we don't take one at 4 then as tabber said I sure as heck hope we don't waste a valuable pick on one later.
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This so-called QB that Farmer loves so much had best be one of Bortles, Teddy B or Manziel.
And we best not wait and take the chance he's there at 26.
If you LOVE a QB you take him at 4 because with the value put on a QB in this league, this guy should be in your Top 10.
TAKE HIM AT 4 and don't screw around.
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I think Pettine is extremely interested in grabbing Mack at OLB.Wouldn't be surprised a bit if that's who they take.
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Just the infamous "GUT FEELING" - I don't even really know the guy, I might start getting to know him today (just found out half day yipee!) but I just have that feeling that this kid SAVAGE is going to be a Brown come May! Absolutely not a shred of football in that prediction. Pure strange feeling comes over me...like Paul Brown whispering in my ear...Savage get him and they will come...lol
EO...about this "gut feeling, Savage thing" you have...but no one on this message board is talking about him...you know, the board's draft gurus?
This kid could not make up his mind which college to attend, changing school 3 times...Rutgers, Arizona, Pitt...and he played his high school ball in Pennsylvania, of all places.
I thought you were an Oline guy, EO...what would you know about QBs... 
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Just the infamous "GUT FEELING" - I don't even really know the guy, I might start getting to know him today (just found out half day yipee!) but I just have that feeling that this kid SAVAGE is going to be a Brown come May! Absolutely not a shred of football in that prediction. Pure strange feeling comes over me...like Paul Brown whispering in my ear...Savage get him and they will come...lol
EO...about this "gut feeling, Savage thing" you have...but no one on this message board is talking about him...you know, the board's draft gurus?
This kid could not make up his mind which college to attend, changing school 3 times...Rutgers, Arizona, Pitt...and he played his high school ball in Pennsylvania, of all places.
I thought you were an Oline guy, EO...what would you know about QBs...
you probably know this but, there were circumstances regarding him leaving Rutgers.. He was the starter, got injured, replaced as the starter so he left and red shirted for Arizona who then hired a coach that it appears Savage didn't like so he transfered to Pitt..
Again, I don't know if that hurt him or helped him. I'd say hurt.
But when he started, he played well.
that's a FWIW kinda thing..
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He is the poor mans version of Tannehill. He showed a great deal of improvement from start of the year to the end of the season but he was really bad early on. I think he is a good one to come in and just play. He needs the reps under center more than anything else.
there would be some growing pains but you want competent as a rookie. Improvement in 2 and by year 3 quality starter. From what I saw of him this year, the kid just needs to play.
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you probably know this but, there were circumstances regarding him leaving Rutgers.. He was the starter, got injured, replaced as the starter so he left and red shirted for Arizona who then hired a coach that it appears Savage didn't like so he transfered to Pitt..
Again, I don't know if that hurt him or helped him. I'd say hurt.
But when he started, he played well.
that's a FWIW kinda thing..
Daman...yes, I'm aware of Savage's travels in college and yes, for many it might be considered a negative.
IMO, the Browns would be looking to draft Savage with the #26 pick or the 3rd pick in the 2nd round.
The problem with this draft, other than maybe Bortles, the QBs are not considered top 5 value. We have seen Bridgewater slide out of the first round this week and for the most part, few show Manziel as a top 5 pick.
But it only takes one team to fall in love with a QB and take him higher than most (teams/scouts) would have.
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you probably know this but, there were circumstances regarding him leaving Rutgers.. He was the starter, got injured, replaced as the starter so he left and red shirted for Arizona who then hired a coach that it appears Savage didn't like so he transfered to Pitt..
Again, I don't know if that hurt him or helped him. I'd say hurt.
But when he started, he played well.
that's a FWIW kinda thing..
Daman...yes, I'm aware of Savage's travels in college and yes, for many it might be considered a negative.
IMO, the Browns would be looking to draft Savage with the #26 pick or the 3rd pick in the 2nd round.
The problem with this draft, other than maybe Bortles, the QBs are not considered top 5 value. We have seen Bridgewater slide out of the first round this week and for the most part, few show Manziel as a top 5 pick.
But it only takes one team to fall in love with a QB and take him higher than most (teams/scouts) would have.
I've never gotten a handle on this sliding thing!
I mean, did something happen to Teddy from the time he finished his last College game and today that would make all that he accomplished suddenly be moot.
I mean, yeah, I get it, he sucked on his pro day. He supposedly didn't have a good work out with a team.. But does that make his college years suddenly worth less? (note, I said WORTH LESS, not Worthless)
How did Carr suddenly go from a second or third round guy to maybe being in the top 5? What did he do? Good pro day, good work outs?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying that either of them are ever going to be good (I do kinda think that TB will be)
I honestly think that who or what they were the day they finished their last college game is exactly who they are today.
Once they get to the NFL, all bets are off of course. But as of today, right now, this minute, they are the same guys they were.
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Just remember my gut tells me around 5th round pick...regardless if we take a QB at #4.
I would love to be going into the 2014 season with our QB situations as:
1. Hoyer
2. Johnny Manziel
3. Savage
Of course I've been fasting this Holy week so who knows about the Gut thing. What I do know is my gut is still pretty BIG... 
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Carr was terrific at the senior bowl and blew people away with his interviews and he was fantastic at his pro day. Everyone talks about the USC game in which he went into the game hurt, 2 weeks before the game he couldnt raise his left arm and he took a big shot on it early in the first quarter and was then trying to get the ball out before he would take another hit. So people beat him up about that.
Bridgewater said he was a perfectionist and thats why he didnt attend the combine he set everything up for the perfect proday and then had a horrible proday. He said he had trouble gripping and throwing a cold football, which was a red flag moment. His footwork was bad, his mechanics were all over the place and he threw only a handful of accurate passes during the entire workout. Receivers were catching them but they were high, wide, behind the receiver under thrown. It was awful.
When asked to spin the football, he was throwing knuckle balls. Apparently during his workouts, it has been just as bad if not worse.
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Yeah, OK, but are you saying that all he did during his college career was fake? I mean, he didn't look like a dud in the vids I watched..
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Just remember my gut tells me around 5th round pick...regardless if we take a QB at #4.
I would love to be going into the 2014 season with our QB situations as:
1. Hoyer
2. Johnny Manziel
3. Savage
Of course I've been fasting this Holy week so who knows about the Gut thing. What I do know is my gut is still pretty BIG...
EO...I doubt that Savage is on the board when the Browns pick in the 5th round. He has been moving up the draft board, even invited by the NFL to attend the draft...which he wisely declined...
...average it out and he probably gets drafted in the 3rd round.
As for the Browns drafting two QBs, maybe...but that would mean that Hoyer becomes the oldest veteran to help teach the young guys...in other words, no room to bring in a veteran QB to help teach the young QBs.
The Browns attended a Manziel workout yesterday and JM is supposed to be in Cleveland this week to meet the folks. I will say this, if the Browns did draft Manziel and Savage, they would cover the spectrum of QB talent...running QB and pocket passer.
Like I said, all it takes is one team to fall in love with a QB or 2 QBs.. 
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I think you are deceiving people.
Carr always had the measurables. I knew he would shoot up the boards AFTER the season. Stiffs like him and Weeden always do. They have all the things people like in a QB, except for the ability to play QB effectively.
You are also exaggerating Bridgewater's inability to throw the football. He doesn't throw knuckleballs and I can provide the evidence that disputes this.
You always fall for the big armed dopes and disregard the intelligent QBs. You're wrong again.
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If I had to choose between Carr and Bridgewater I would take Teddy. He seems to be the most NFL ready at this point and he has some smarts.
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I think the smartest thing to do in this draft is to trade down at #4 and pick up an extra 2nd and/or 3rd round pick in this deep talented draft.
Select Zach Mettenburger at either #26 or #35 then double up on QB by selecting Tom Savage at #71.
Brian Hoyer is the 2014 starter with 2 young protegees for the coaches to groom. The other picks can be used to fill other vital needs with BPA at positions like OG, CB, LB, WR, and RB.
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I think you are deceiving people.
Carr always had the measurables. I knew he would shoot up the boards AFTER the season. Stiffs like him and Weeden always do. They have all the things people like in a QB, except for the ability to play QB effectively.
You are also exaggerating Bridgewater's inability to throw the football. He doesn't throw knuckleballs and I can provide the evidence that disputes this.
You always fall for the big armed dopes and disregard the intelligent QBs. You're wrong again.
Was I wrong when I said Teddy would be lucky to go in the first after that crapfest he put on display. He doesnt have the arm and doesnt put enough spin on the ball to play in a cold environment. You may want Einstein to be your QB and I will prefer Marino or Farve but lets be realistic, he sure as hell aint no einstein either lol.
From the looks of it the NFL scouts and GM's agree with me but go ahead and say Mour wanted Weeden (even though I had a 3rd round grade on weeden and felt he had zero upside) if it makes you feel better cause you will need some cheering up when we pass on Teddy once, twice and probably 3 times. Its really gonna suck when Garoppolo, Metlenberger and maybe even Savage are trying on their new jersey while Teddy is having a cake with the commish in his office.
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btw i dont even know what carr scored on his wonderlick but he sure aint no rocket scientist either lol. Funny part is the most polarizing player, we agree on lol.
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I think you are deceiving people.
Carr always had the measurables. I knew he would shoot up the boards AFTER the season. Stiffs like him and Weeden always do. They have all the things people like in a QB, except for the ability to play QB effectively.
You are also exaggerating Bridgewater's inability to throw the football. He doesn't throw knuckleballs and I can provide the evidence that disputes this.
You always fall for the big armed dopes and disregard the intelligent QBs. You're wrong again.
Was I wrong when I said Teddy would be lucky to go in the first after that crapfest he put on display. He doesnt have the arm and doesnt put enough spin on the ball to play in a cold environment. You may want Einstein to be your QB and I will prefer Marino or Farve but lets be realistic, he sure as hell aint no einstein either lol.
From the looks of it the NFL scouts and GM's agree with me but go ahead and say Mour wanted Weeden (even though I had a 3rd round grade on weeden and felt he had zero upside) if it makes you feel better cause you will need some cheering up when we pass on Teddy once, twice and probably 3 times. Its really gonna suck when Garoppolo, Metlenberger and maybe even Savage are trying on their new jersey while Teddy is having a cake with the commish in his office.
And here is where you said a 3rd at best and you'd probably wait until next year.
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No, you will be wrong when Teddy proves to be a better qb than Carr, Mettenberger, Jimmy G, etc.
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Edit: Holy hell, this article might be the biggest "stretch" I've ever read..... WHAT? How did he get "football is a team game" to he might go with a second tier guy like AJ McCaron? LOL WHAT? Garbage article, absolutely terrible. Quote:
“I think football is the ultimate team game and too much is put on the quarterback,” Pettine said during a recent interview with NFL Network.
It is reasonable to conclude, then, that the Browns have no intention of putting too much on their quarterback this season,
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Man, McCarron isn't even second-tier IMO.
But yeah... 1st round QB or bust. (Yes ,I know I said bust).
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He took a normal, coach speak, harmless comment and spun a tale of waiting for a 3rd or 4th round QB.
The draft in may is forcing these guys to say anything to create and article.
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Yea, I wouldn't take his comments to mean he doesn't WANT the best QB available, just that he doesn't want a team that needs the QB to throw for 400 yards and 3 TDs every week to win..
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But I'd bet he wouldn't be upset if it turned out that way. I totally understand what he was saying, we're soft, we have a bunch of front runners and the Seahawks are tough with a ton of underdogs. We're the anti seahawks. I think if anything it was an indictment on the rest of the team than it was not wanting a QB.
We're a PERENNIAL 4-5 win football team, that doesn't need a top end QB. Any coach who thinks that should be fired before the season begins.
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I think we agree. I believe his point is that this team has too much talent on it to be a 4-5 win team even with mediocre QB play...
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Believe it or not............there are coaches out there that don't like to see big numbers out of the QBs.
They are clueless, but they are out there.
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I'm hoping he meant that when you draft a rookie, you don't put the entire burden on his shoulders. You use a far more balanced approach as he matures.
Putting the entire load on the rookie can ruin him. My hope is it has nothing to do with not wanting a top prospect as our QB, but that his development will hinge on being able to run the ball as he grows at the position.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I am hoping the same thing, to think a coach having come from the JETS AND THE BILLS doesn't understand the value of a top flight QB would greatly concern me.
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It's very understandable why a coach would not want a QB putting up big numbers. From an offensive point of view, a balanced offense that is running the ball well and passing it well, is harder to defense than an offense that relies heavily on it's QB to put up big numbers, throwing the ball.
Some offenses rely on the run to set up the pass and to a lesser degree, the passing game to set up the running game. Play action passes are more effective if you can run the ball well.
Most coaches would prefer a balanced offense...
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And most Offensive Coordinators would prefer a QB that made the defense use an extra defender to defend the pass...which in turn opens up a viable run game...
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I'm hoping he meant that when you draft a rookie, you don't put the entire burden on his shoulders. You use a far more balanced approach as he matures.
Putting the entire load on the rookie can ruin him. My hope is it has nothing to do with not wanting a top prospect as our QB, but that his development will hinge on being able to run the ball as he grows at the position.
I kinda thought he meant that if you don't have "THAT GUY" then you have to find another way to win.. But hey,, either way works for me.
I just think it's much ado about nothing at t his point because all they are doing is misleading us at this point.
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I believe he said that if one goes back and reads the aricle.
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