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I was just reading through many posts and came across one for LaMicheal James, and I started thinking.
What about Oby? He seems to be the forgotten man in the RB core. The foolish move of making him a FB was a waste IMO. When given time to carry the ball, he seemed to have a nice burst and usually got positive yardage. Not to mention, he can catch out of the backfield.
It seems to me that Tate will get the bulk of the carries, and I'm really looking forward to seeing Lewis healthy again. But I think Oby would be a great back up and a nice feature in a two back set.
Just wondering what others think.
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He just fumbles way too much to be reliable in any sense of the word.
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I agree with both of you guys.
I think Obi's fumble issues came when he was trying to get that extra inch/foot/yard. I think he was trying desperately to show leadership and drive on a team devoid of any leaders.
I think he is a fine 4th or 5th RB who will be asked to do what he's good at doing and nothing more.
Tate, Baker, Lewis (if he can get back to form), Obi and a flyer in Rd 4+ to go along with Elvis and we'll be good to go.
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Our RB corp will be much-improved this season. I think we'll enter the year with Tate, Lewis, and a rookie (probably a 3/4 round selection). And then MAYBE Baker OR Oby will make the team, depending on special teams production.
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He just fumbles way too much to be reliable in any sense of the word.
5 fumbles,4 lost in 46 games played..
In those games, he was targeted as a receiver 140 times and has 96 receptions for 714 yards and a 7.4 yard avg and 2 TD's. He's rushed 144 times for a 4.3 yard average and a total of 660 yards and 1 TD.
So between the receptions and rushing, that's 240 times he's had an opportunity to get his hands on the ball and he's fumbled 5 times with one recovered.
Would that be considered bad?
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Fumbling once every 48 touches is bad. Yes.
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I like him as The Utility Guy. He's versatile. He can catch and he's shown that he will take the rock every down. Definitely not a FB, but I have to give him credit (and some value) for taking that role last year. RB is an injury prone spot, look at our recent history. He can backup all 3 types (feature, 3rd down, FB) so that is huge on the 53 man roster.
I didn't realize the fumbling issues, that is a knock. If we replace him, I hope we keep 1 guy with that type of versatility.
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Fumbling once every 48 touches is bad. Yes.
It wasn't even really the amount.
He just always seemed to fumble at the WORST possible times.
Not that there's a "good" time to fumble.. But it seemed when we were down, and right at that point where we could make a fight back, he'd fight for a few extra yards (not ganna hate on that) but then lose the ball..
He's an average NFL talent. He's replacable.
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Fumbling once every 48 touches is bad. Yes.
I can no longer edit this post, so I'll just quote and add to it.
Rashard Mendenhall had notorious problems fumbling the ball, once having to carry a ball everywhere he went, but he only had a fumble every 117 touches.
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Rashard Mendenhall had notorious problems fumbling the ball, once having to carry a ball everywhere he went, but he only had a fumble every 117 touches.
OK, just asking...
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I wasn't trying to attack you or your position in anyway, just re-emphasizing my point for future onlookers.
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I wasn't trying to attack you or your position in anyway, just re-emphasizing my point for future onlookers.
I didn't think you were.. sounded to me like you were just answering my question.. No prob
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I wasn't trying to attack you or your position in anyway, just re-emphasizing my point for future onlookers.
I didn't think you were.. sounded to me like you were just answering my question.. No prob
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Is Baker Practice Squad eligible? Would he make it there? That's the only way I see Obi sticking..
Unless they suprise me and DON'T draft a RB..
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I wasn't trying to attack you or your position in anyway, just re-emphasizing my point for future onlookers.
Not disagreeing that a fumble once in 48 touches is a lot,,,but my recollection of Mendehall was that he became 'fumble-prone' at the tail end of his career. That could skew the appearance. I have no statistical proof, just sharing my recollection.
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I agree completely on Oby fumbling at THE most inopportune/soul-crushing times. He'd try to get that last inch and lose the ball.
I think he is a fine # 4/# 5 RB as he is serviceable at many facets. We could do worse...we could upgrade his spot.
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Is Baker Practice Squad eligible? Would he make it there? That's the only way I see Obi sticking..
Unless they suprise me and DON'T draft a RB..
Edwin Baker will probably stay on the roster and Ogbonnaya will be gone.
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Thinking about it, I believe his whole career he was a fumbling maniac. I remember him carrying the ball around being misnomered as rookie hazing.
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I looked it up: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11257/rashard-mendenhallHis overall stats are still not good, but 7 of his 13 career (only 6 seasons) fumbles came in his last two years. His last year in Pittsburgh (5th year in the league) he fumbled 3 times on 60 touches...ouch. His 3rd year he had 2 fumbles on 347 touches...that was probably his best year and it's still not very good - 'it's meaning one fumble every 173 touches. In his last year with the Squeelers, 2 of 3 fumbles for the year came in one game...against us. Oh well...if Obi gets replaced it is likely that fumbles will be a part of the evaluation of his replacement.
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What about Oby? He seems to be the forgotten man in the RB core.
For good reason...unless he makes it in Special Teams I think he will be cut by the end of the season.
jmho - we already brought in a FB we know who loses that battle. We also brought in a RB and we get Lewis back from IR we know who loses that battle. Sorry Obi one....he the ride was good and a kid with ok talent all around will stick somewhere...gosh knows we have Coaches and FO spread out all over the NFL to vouch for him somewhere!
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I think folks are putting to much store in the Tate pick up ( health issues in my opinion ) I would still like to take a shot at Carlos Hyde from State ... Now that would give you a backfield .
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Like Oby a lot, but can't trust handing him the ball... in one of the offseason workout videos, it showed Oby as "giving a pumping speech" and IDK he even had any leadership or team moral traits. But still, when you're a RB (cause he damn sure wasn't/isn't a FB) and you fumble it often, well that's obviously a big problem lol 
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Seems like a lot of people are sold on Baker/Lewis. I'm not. They have a combined 80 NFL carries. Both are 5'8" it will be hard to keep 2 guys like that on the roster. They are on the hot seat just as much as Oby. New regime, all 3 could be gone by August.
Folks get crazy about backup RBs every year. Ben Gay, James Davis, J Harrison, Oby, Lewis, Baker...we'll see.
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I wouldn't say that I am completely crazy about Baker, but I do respect that he was able to come in and actually run the ball for a team that couldn't do so all year long prior to his arrival.
He did a nice job in games against the Bears, Jets, and Steelers. He ran the ball hard, and with authority. He also handled pass blocking duties effectively. He wasn't perfect, but he was, by far, our best RB last year. (if we count Obi as a FB)
He also caught the ball nicely, and he held onto the ball. He only had 51 touches, but he did not fumble at all last year. He looks like a good one cuts RB, the kind who should do well in Shanahan's offense.
I hope we give him a good look in the pre-season. I like him more than I like Lewis at this point.
Right now I would probably rank our RB like this:
Tate
Baker
Obi (only because of fumbles)
Lewis/Whittaker
Cook (which I hate to do to a Penguin)
I would still look for another RB in the draf, probably around the 4th - 5th rounds.
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YTown...I actually have it reversed...I like Lewis more than Baker. Of course we haven't seen much of either. But based on what little we have seen, I think Lewis is more elusive and works better as a receiver with the same positives as Baker running the ball....JMO
Me personally...I love short running backs. They can hide behind the lineman and make it extremely difficult for the defense to get a bead on them. Any extra tenths you can gain from the defense being unable to identify the play and locate the RB is always a good thing and a great advantage. The shorter RB's are usually very quick. And they usually have a chip on their shoulder due to being the size they are and always having to prove themselves. I like short RB's with Big legs so they can still move the pile a bit or in most cases just keep the legs moving and escape. Think Barry Sanders, Maurice Jones Drew, or Emmit Smith...Most of their weight and strength was in their legs...(without losing speed and quickness) They had the power of bigger backs but in a more compact form and were usually much faster than those bigger backs...
I still think you need a thumper to pair with them and if we had a Peyton Hills (the good year) type that just bulldozes everything in his path...well, I like that too...LOL
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Just clicking.
I'm not saying you guys are wrong about Lewis, but I never really saw anything about him that made me think he was a great runner. That was only in the few times I saw him run though.
I thought he was decent as a receiver out of the backfield and good when he had some open field around him, but never that great as a runner, especially between the tackles.
Everyone I read on here though seems to think he's pretty decent all around. I guess I just haven't seen it.
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I'm not saying you guys are wrong about Lewis, but I never really saw anything about him that made me think he was a great runner. That was only in the few times I saw him run though.
I thought he was decent as a receiver out of the backfield and good when he had some open field around him, but never that great as a runner, especially between the tackles.
Everyone I read on here though seems to think he's pretty decent all around. I guess I just haven't seen it.
The most impressive back I've seen in years was Hardesty, so yeah everyone looks good.
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The most impressive back I've seen in years was Hardesty, so yeah everyone looks good.
I must disagree.
Peyton Hillis (1st season) looked good for us. And Jamal Lewis' first season with the team was very good too. I'd say based on those seasons, they both were more impressive than Hardesty.
Hardesty has done well in spots, but I don't think he's look better than Lee Suggs or William Green. He's never really done enough to have any effect on our team.
Heck, he's never had a game as big as a couple of the ones Jerome Harrison? had. Harrison won us a game or two I think...... Or at least he put up some huge numbers in a couple games
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Harrison put up like 600+ yards in 3 games. Dude just went off. He's probably been our best back since the Return just based off of his limited sample size. It's a shame he's a quadriplegic now because he was really, really good.
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haha I totally blanked on Hillis and Jamal Lewis was 7 years ago. Let that sink in.
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Harrison put up like 600+ yards in 3 games. Dude just went off. He's probably been our best back since the Return just based off of his limited sample size. It's a shame he's a quadriplegic now because he was really, really good.
I did not know about this so I did a little searching and found this article on him.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/11/lions_rb_jerome_harrison_enjoy.html
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Great article. Thanks for posting that.
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On Thanksgiving 2012, CBS aired a special documenting Harrison's recovery. Harrison and his family spoke candidly about his harrowing journey. In it he, his wife and mother mention that he was expected to be a quadriplegic, but he had been very tenacious in his recovery and has regained many of his motor skills. wiki
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Harrison put up like 600+ yards in 3 games. Dude just went off. He's probably been our best back since the Return just based off of his limited sample size. It's a shame he's a quadriplegic now because he was really, really good.
I did not know about this so I did a little searching and found this article on him.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/11/lions_rb_jerome_harrison_enjoy.html
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Wow! I didn't know that about Jerome. Holy Crap, what a friggin warrior. He did a good job while he was here. I can't remember all the particulars about his short career in orange and brown, but he did provide some serious fire when he got the gig full time. None of that means anything now and I hope he recovers&to live a long and prosperous life. Amazing the types of things that can happen to a world class athlete.
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Great article, I always liked him as a Brown.
I am glad that his is not paralyzed.
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I had no idea either. I knew that he had some medical issues, but I had no idea how bad it was.
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