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The following came out of Peter Kings Monday Morning Quarterback column
“I really just should have coached the team, but he [owner Randy Lerner] didn’t want me to.”
—Former Browns president Mike Holmgren to me last week, on whether he had any regrets about his years in Cleveland.
That had actually been my preference the whole time he was here. It kind of makes you wonder what state the team would have been in had he stayed. It was obvious Shurmer was in over his head. I also find it interesting that it was Lerner who didn't want him to coach given that Holmgren's forte was on the sidelines and not solely in the front office
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Holmgren is grimey to come out and say this garbage. No way he could have coached the team, that would have cut into his mid season vacation.
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So is he throwing Shurmur under the bus? Lerner under the bus? Is he now realizing this because he is never going to get another job?
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umm Sure Mike...let it go guy. Go retire and shut up.
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Begs the question why he didn't want Holmgren to coach the team. I doubt money was an issue the way he was firing and hiring coaches... not to mention an EPL team.
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I wonder what year he was talking about? Mangenous or Shurmur. I have a feeling if RL said he did not want him to coach it's because Holmy himself told RL he thought it would be better to stay off the sidelines. I can't see RL passing up the chance to have the Great Holmy coaching his Browns.
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
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To be fair, anyone could have done a better job than Shurmur.
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Why is he always throwing in his thoughts? Like last year,when he called them out for trading T.Rich? Lolol..one of the best trades ever as it turned out.Just go play golf,and quit putting your comments out in public...
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Oh Hell, if he wanted to coach, why did he take the job with the Browns if Lerner didn't want him to coach.
Sounds like Mike has a few issues. He'd have been better off keeping that under wraps. it makes him look stupid, weak and it appears he wants to throw everyone under a bus but himself.
I wanted this guy here, I thought he would be terrific. Finally a football guy! Man was I ever wrong..
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
A worse disaster than it turned out to be? 
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I wanted this guy here, I thought he would be terrific. Finally a football guy! Man was I ever wrong..
The only thing I was skeptical of was the fact that Seattle got better when he stopped playing GM and just coached...
But I felt that AT LEAST you should of been able to find us a QB..
Delhomme, Wallace, McCoy, and Weeden...
Not exactly Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck..
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And this sums up the problem with Holmgren completely.
He was brought in to be the guy that put together a front office. He just wanted to have control/power and coach.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I may be wrong, but wasn't one of the first things he said in his introductory presser that he was not going to coach? I believe he even said he told Randy no in their negotiations...
I have a hard time believing Jr. for some reason didn't want Mike to coach the team. There is no reasoning behind it.
What a clown. This guy doesn't know how to look at his giant bag of money and shut the hell up. Idiot.
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Homie wants to rewright history a bit.
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With Holmgren's hand-picked selections of Delhomme, Colt, and Weeden it doesn't matter who the hell coached.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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With Holmgren's hand-picked selections of Delhomme, Colt, and Weeden it doesn't matter who the hell coached.
It all doesn't matter. I wish Homie well and a long healthy retirement. I don't need to spend much time on this thread.
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jc Its sad when they lose contact with reality. Best someone just lead him away and fade to black 
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With Holmgren's hand-picked selections of Delhomme, Colt, and Weeden it doesn't matter who the hell coached.
It all doesn't matter. I wish Homie well and a long healthy retirement. I don't need to spend much time on this thread.
Mistakenly replied to your post instead of the first one Peen; my fault. But we're in agreement on the matter.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Is this dude really that bored? Why is he still talking about Cleveland? Why is he still giving his much unwanted, unneeded and trivial input in association with this team? Didn't we cancel and take away his food pass already? Just shut up Mike, and go do whatever it is that you do... cause you didn't do squat here except collect your paycheck and blow smoke up people's butts. 
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With Holmgren's hand-picked selections of Delhomme, Colt, and Weeden it doesn't matter who the hell coached.
That's an ugly list of QBs there...
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I think he deserves a statue put up in his honor in Cleveland so the pigeons can express the feelings of the fanbase!
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Holmgren must really dislike the taste of sour grapes...he been tryina spit em out since he left.
Just drink some water dude...you'll be good.
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I may be wrong, but wasn't one of the first things he said in his introductory presser that he was not going to coach? I believe he even said he told Randy no in their negotiations...
I have a hard time believing Jr. for some reason didn't want Mike to coach the team. There is no reasoning behind it.
What a clown. This guy doesn't know how to look at his giant bag of money and shut the hell up. Idiot.
He's lying. Remember when he said he went home and talked to his wife about it and decided not to coach. That is way inconsistent with the Peter King quote.
I was stoked when he joined the team. What a disaster.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I may be wrong, but wasn't one of the first things he said in his introductory presser that he was not going to coach? I believe he even said he told Randy no in their negotiations...
I think so.
On the other side, I remember him saying that he tossed around the idea of coaching after Mangini. Heckert suggested it to him, whatever.
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He was singing a different tune in October 2012...
"(On if he thought about coming back to coach the team after firing Mangini) – "I thought about it, I did. I think I had mentioned at the time, I asked when we were compiling the list of candidates I asked the selection committee, the guys that were involved in that, Heckert and those guys. I said, 'You don't have to say yes, but tell me tomorrow should I be on the list?' I asked them that. I don't know if they were afraid to come in and say, 'Are you kidding? An old guy like you, you shouldn't be on that list.' Then it also gave me a chance that evening to think about it a little bit more. I did what I did." http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_browns_president_mik_17.html
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I kind of recall him mumbling those lines too after Mangini... what tickles my pickle is many, manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy teams went the new coach route this season. Holmgren said he was willing to coach again in the beginning of this offseason, yet I recall no teams interviewing him. I recall no teams being interested in him.
Perhaps Holmgren has ruined his reputation, or perhaps noone wanted an experienced coach - or perhaps something else? Either or, I smell a joke and it comes in the form of Mike Holmgren!
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
Why not? Better than if he was coaching and trying to be a GM. What does the President do during the season? GM is busy scouting and such, TP however has plenty of time to Coach the team.
It's my belief he should have fired Mangini the very second he took the job, coached the team the remainder of the season with OC and DC's already in place. Then decided if he wanted to hire a coach or keep coaching it himself. He would have had a better idea what kind of talent(or lack there of) was on the team.
Some of you guys act like Holmgren doesn't know anything about the game. You don't take two different teams to 3 Superbowls and not know a thing or two about the game. You don't win 161 games and not know football. He's borderline HOF as a Head Coach.
Had he coached the Browns he would have been the best HC we've had since the return. Period.
Holmgren made a lot of mistakes during his time here. But I still maintain we were much better off after him, than before him. When he got here we wre OLD. I'm not talking aging, we were OLD and slow as molasses in the winter. We were coming off one of the worst drafts in Browns history. When Holmgren left, we were young and inexperienced. But we were young.... It was a start.
Now go ahead and blast me.....
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Now go ahead and blast me.....
Not me. I can't believe the amount of disrespect here. Like him or not, it's ancient history and time to let go...
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He's just keeping his name out there.
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With Holmgren's hand-picked selections of Delhomme, Colt, and Weeden it doesn't matter who the hell coached.
And Wallace. Cannot forget the immortal Seneca Wallace. 
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Not only did he miss the QB multiple times, but only 11 of the 28 players H&H drafted are still with the team. Another total failure of a regime any way you slice it.
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How many QBs has the Browns had in the past since they came back in 1999? Yet no QB has gone to the Pro Bowl or has led them to the playoffs in such a long, long time.
But really Holmgren would not match up with the Browns coaching staff or players. Just saying from what the looks on this board is saying.
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How many QBs has the Browns had in the past since they came back in 1999? Yet no QB has gone to the Pro Bowl
one did.
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Can we just lock this thread already?
Does anyone really give a damn what Holmgren has to say on any subject, much less the Browns, the previous Browns ownership or anything else to do with this guy?
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The Big Show [what he called himself] is one of the biggest liars I have ever witnessed. This is yet another in a long line of lies.
Yeah Mike, you decided to fire Mangini that morning when you woke up. LOL
Yeah Mike, you offered the Rams more than Washington did for RGIII, but Fisher doesn't like you.
Yeah Mike, Junior said not to coach.
You are a lying piece of scum.
The freaking guy was always gone. He had homes in Seattle, California, and vacationed in Arizona..........during the freaking year.
You stole money. You are a freaking disgrace to your profession. Now shut the hell up and go away, you overrated, pompous pig.
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CLEVELAND (92.3 The Fan) – Former Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren is at it again.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated’s Peter King last week, Holmgren was asked if he had any regrets in his time as president of the Browns.
“I really just should have coached the team, but he [owner Randy Lerner] didn’t want me to,” Holmgren told King.
King published the quote in his weekly Monday Morning Quarterback column at theMMQB.com.
When Holmgren was hired by Randy Lerner in Dec. 2009, he was given carte blanche to do as he desired with the team – even with the option to coach.
But he chose not to and made that very clear numerous times when asked why not coach the Browns himself.
“At this stage of my life that’s not what my first priority is,” Holmgren said Jan. 3, 2011 after firing Eric Mangini. “I’m relishing the role that Randy Lerner had confidence to give me.”
Holmgren was a PR disaster as team president. Under his leadership the organization fumbled a variety of situations publicly – most notably his infamous rant following the Colt McCoy concussion controversy.
“It seems it’s business as usual, which is very easy to write and say, but I’m telling you that it’s not,” Holmgren said on Dec. 14, 2011. “You can choose to believe me or you can say, ‘I’ve heard it before.’ That’s your choice, but when it does happen, don’t come to me for extra tickets to a playoff game or something. Don’t do that.
“You’re either with us or you’re not. I’m telling you it’s different now.”
What wasn’t different is that the team continued to lose and he spent more time talking to a Seattle radio station than he did the local media.
Under Lerner, Holmgren was the “de facto owner,” as Jimmy Haslam put it when he agreed to buy the team in Aug. 2012, and was free to do as he pleased.
After Eric Mangini and the Browns won the final 4 games of 2009 to finish 5-11, Holmgren didn’t have it in his heart to fire a coach after 1 year. Mangini and the Browns finished 5-11 again in 2010 so Holmgren pulled the plug and showed Mangini the door.
Enter rookie coach Pat Shurmur.
2 years and a 9-23 record later, Shurmur was fired by Haslam, who has already proven that he’s not afraid to can a coach after 1 season – see Rob Chudzinski.
Holmgren is right – the Browns would’ve been better off with him as the coach for a few years than they were with Mangini or Shurmur on the sidelines.
Holmgren, revered in NFL circles as a quarterback guru, drafted Colt McCoy (2010 3rd round) and Brandon Weeden (22nd overall in 2012). He also signed Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace as veterans. The Browns were
unable to land the No. 2 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft and then proceeded to blow the first round of it by trading up 1 slot for Trent Richardson and then selecting Weeden.
Eleven of the 28 draft picks (8 in 2010 and 2011, 11 in 2012 + 1 supplemental) over 3 years under Holmgren remain on the roster. He at least left the Browns with Joe Haden, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon.
Instead of dwelling on whether or not he should’ve coached the team, Holmgren’s real regret should be leaving Cleveland with $40 million in his pocket while producing no tangible results on the field.
But lets not let facts ruin a good story.
If only Randy Lerner would’ve allowed him to coach.
At least Holmgren can rest easy and not have to ever worry about Browns fans calling him for playoff tickets while he cashes severance checks.
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