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He's a narcissistic blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice. Thankfully, he's now the only one listening to it.
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Does anyone really give a damn what Holmgren has to say on any subject, much less the Browns, the previous Browns ownership or anything else to do with this guy?
I agree the witch is dead!
Mike pretty much speaks for himself on both ends of his month. For the fans who are still a believer, I say more power to you.
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Begs the question why he didn't want Holmgren to coach the team. I doubt money was an issue the way he was firing and hiring coaches... not to mention an EPL team.
Haven't read the rest of the responses...
Considering Holmgren was a failure as simultaneously both Executive and Head Coach, it may have been one of the smarter things Lerner did not to allow him to take over as HC while also making all of the rest of the decisions.
The people get away from Holmgren, the more people should realize just how much of a failure he truly was.
Seems kinda harsh that Lerner hitched his wagon to him...
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Is this dude really that bored? Why is he still talking about Cleveland? Why is he still giving his much unwanted, unneeded and trivial input in association with this team?
Simple. He is attempting damage control for the miserable failure he was in Cleveland. He spent more time away from Berea that he was there, meddled in trades and the draft with disastrous results and hired an incompetent nephew of a friend as head coach while presiding over 3 seasons of 5 or less wins. Quite the legacy he left while taking a small fortune. What he did is bordering on thievery.
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“I really just should have coached the team, but he [owner Randy Lerner] didn’t want me to.”
Well Randy didn't want me to fart anymore either but you have to do what you have to do Mike,
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“I really just should have coached the team, but he [owner Randy Lerner] didn’t want me to.”
Well Randy didn't want me to fart anymore either but you have to do what you have to do Mike,
If Holmgren was any kind of a man, he would have said, "Look Randy, you hired me to do what is best for this team, and me coaching is what's best. If you don't agree with that, then you hired the wrong guy."
It's simple. You stand up for your convictions. Of course the Walrus stood up for nothing while he was here. He ran off to Seattle to give radio interviews, in between vacations, and golf outings, and so on ..... 
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There is still a part of me holding out thinking that he might be sincere and has realized that him coaching the team was the only way he could have possibly turned this thing around.
If he was "Team President" in name only, and let Heckert do his job it could have worked.
Seems like I posted a couple weeks ago that he blew it by not coaching the team. It was obvious to me that had to coach when he got here. He didn't, and then made one mistake after another. People make decisions, and many times they make really naive, bizarre, stupid ones.
I pimped Holmgren harder than anyone. I've eaten a lot of crow over it. Biggest miss of my Browns fan career.
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j/c Mike Holmgren nearly hired himself to coach the Browns Before and after Browns president Mike Holmgren fired coach Eric Mangini, the Big Show had been dropping big hints about the possibility that the best man for the job could be the man deciding who will fill it. In the end, Holmgren hired Pat Shurmur. But Holmgren tells Dave “Softy” Mahler of KJR in Seattle that the former Packers and Seahawks coach ran the idea of coaching the Browns past his staff — and his staff agreed. In the end, Holmgren decided against it after talking to his wife and “pray[ing] about it a little bit.” The full audio is available at the KJR website. Though it’s unclear whether he’ll ever coach again, the fact that Shurmur has no offensive coordinator and will be calling the plays bolsters our belief that Holmgren will have a large wooden spoon in the stew — something that Shurmur surely knew when he agreed to take the job. Given Holmgren’s accomplishments, Shurmur surely isn’t complaining, either. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ach-the-browns/
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“I really just should have coached the team, but he [owner Randy Lerner] didn’t want me to.”
Well Randy didn't want me to fart anymore either but you have to do what you have to do Mike,
WE all want that, but we have no control over it. hell the tree huggers are looking at you for global warming issues.
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
Why not? Better than if he was coaching and trying to be a GM. What does the President do during the season? GM is busy scouting and such, TP however has plenty of time to Coach the team.
It's my belief he should have fired Mangini the very second he took the job, coached the team the remainder of the season with OC and DC's already in place. Then decided if he wanted to hire a coach or keep coaching it himself. He would have had a better idea what kind of talent(or lack there of) was on the team.
Some of you guys act like Holmgren doesn't know anything about the game. You don't take two different teams to 3 Superbowls and not know a thing or two about the game. You don't win 161 games and not know football. He's borderline HOF as a Head Coach.
Had he coached the Browns he would have been the best HC we've had since the return. Period.
Holmgren made a lot of mistakes during his time here. But I still maintain we were much better off after him, than before him. When he got here we wre OLD. I'm not talking aging, we were OLD and slow as molasses in the winter. We were coming off one of the worst drafts in Browns history. When Holmgren left, we were young and inexperienced. But we were young.... It was a start.
Now go ahead and blast me.....
he should have just taken the job as coach then. What organizations in any sport hire a president to coach the team?
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He's a narcissistic blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice. Thankfully, he's now the only one listening to it.
Pretty much sums it up.
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Does anyone really give a damn what Holmgren has to say on any subject, much less the Browns, the previous Browns ownership or anything else to do with this guy?
After 2 pages and 52 responses, it appears the answer would be yes. Which I find rather lame myself.
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
Why not? Better than if he was coaching and trying to be a GM. What does the President do during the season? GM is busy scouting and such, TP however has plenty of time to Coach the team.
It's my belief he should have fired Mangini the very second he took the job, coached the team the remainder of the season with OC and DC's already in place. Then decided if he wanted to hire a coach or keep coaching it himself. He would have had a better idea what kind of talent(or lack there of) was on the team.
Some of you guys act like Holmgren doesn't know anything about the game. You don't take two different teams to 3 Superbowls and not know a thing or two about the game. You don't win 161 games and not know football. He's borderline HOF as a Head Coach.
Had he coached the Browns he would have been the best HC we've had since the return. Period.
Holmgren made a lot of mistakes during his time here. But I still maintain we were much better off after him, than before him. When he got here we wre OLD. I'm not talking aging, we were OLD and slow as molasses in the winter. We were coming off one of the worst drafts in Browns history. When Holmgren left, we were young and inexperienced. But we were young.... It was a start.
Now go ahead and blast me.....
he should have just taken the job as coach then. What organizations in any sport hire a president to coach the team?
Wasn't Papa Bear George Halas also the President of the Bears? Anyway, that was a different time. It wouldn't work today.
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The only current one I can think of is Greg Popovich is, GM, VP and Coach.
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I didn't know that but then I don't pay much attention to Basketball..
(Yeah, I had to google him to see what sport he's in LOL)
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Team president coaching the team, what a disaster. He cannot be serious.
Really? i think it was more of a disaster to have a quality coach acting as Team President, rather than doing what he knows how to do-- coach.
I wont sit and bash Lerner, i hold not grudges-- but he just didnt know what to do to get this team on the right track. We hired a great coach to act as a president, who hired an offensive coordinator to be a first time head coach while also doubling as the offensive coordinator. We then got what i feel is a quality GM, who was having a good coach in the team president role overstepping the GM and dictating the draft (the colt pick)....
So yeah, like it or hate it, what holmgren said is probably 100% true. If Lerner had hired Heckert as GM and Holmgren as HC, then Shurmur as OC: our team would probably been a lot more successful.
and before you say "shurmur at OC would have been horrible too!" let me just say i was merely using the pieces we had, in different order, to make a better team. Theres no way shurmur as HC AND OC is better than him as OC with holmgren as HC.
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The only current one I can think of is Greg Popovich is, GM, VP and Coach.
RC Buford is the GM. Pops "fired" himself in 2002 from the position, but also noted at the time that Buford was doing the role of GM from the asst. GM chair, so he should have the proper title.
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I think that it would take the right team setup for a man to be President and Coach .... but it could be done.
It could not happen here, because Randy wanted to walk away from the team, as far as operations. He wanted Holmgren to attend league meetings for the team, and so on. Obviously that could not happen during the season if Holmgren were also coach.
However, if a man waned to work really hard, and take on all kinds of responsibility, and had an involved owner who wanted to attend meetings and such, then it might be able to work. Holmgren was "Executive Vice President/General Manager/Head Coach" for the Seahawks. That's quite a plateful as well. However, depending on how the team was structured, it might be able to work.
Heck, face it, Holmgren wasn't exactly working himself to an early grave as Team President here. Adding head Coach to his duties would have been like giving a full time job to a guy who showed up for work at his current job about once every other week. It hardly would have overwhelmed his schedule. The only problem would have been the NFL Meetings, since Randy wanted nothing to do with league business.
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Delhomme, Wallace, McCoy, and Weeden...
Not exactly Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck..
They're maybe on par with Deanna Favre and Sarah Egnaczyk.
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The Big Show [what he called himself] is one of the biggest liars I have ever witnessed. This is yet another in a long line of lies.
Yeah Mike, you decided to fire Mangini that morning when you woke up. LOL
Yeah Mike, you offered the Rams more than Washington did for RGIII, but Fisher doesn't like you.
Yeah Mike, Junior said not to coach.
You are a lying piece of scum.
The freaking guy was always gone. He had homes in Seattle, California, and vacationed in Arizona..........during the freaking year.
You stole money. You are a freaking disgrace to your profession. Now shut the hell up and go away, you overrated, pompous pig.
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But Holmgren tells Dave “Softy” Mahler of KJR in Seattle that the former Packers and Seahawks coach ran the idea of coaching the Browns past his staff — and his staff agreed. In the end, Holmgren decided against it after talking to his wife and “pray[ing] about it a little bit.”
That's a far cry from Lerner telling him No!  Was the other stuff about Randy a quote also? or taken out of context???
Which is it Mikey?
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The Big Show [what he called himself] is one of the biggest liars I have ever witnessed. This is yet another in a long line of lies.
Yeah Mike, you decided to fire Mangini that morning when you woke up. LOL
Yeah Mike, you offered the Rams more than Washington 3ÅÎäÜor RGIII, but FAsher doesn'u likeóyu.
Yeah Mike, Junior said not to coach.
You are a lying piece of scum.
The freaking guy was always gone. He had homes in Seattle, California, and vacationed in Arizona..........during the freaking year.
You stole money. You are a freaking disgrace to your profession. Now shut the hell up and go away, you overrated, pompous pig.
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Holmgren must live in a world where the internet doesn't exist and people can't go back and look up things he said.
So he is either lying now or he was lying then. Either way he is a liar (although so is everyone else in the NFL).
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j/c So, if Holmgren had coached the team does that mean we wouldn't have drafted Weeden? Oh, it doesn't? THEN WHO CARES! Failure was inevitable. 
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j/c Not going to read the posts here. I'm sure Holmgren has been showered with props, congrats and well wishes. I don't see how he could have coached when he came in. Didn't he have a hip or knee operation? I remember seeing him using a scooter cart for a year or so. I think it's BS that he brings this up now. Sour grapes IMO. He needs to man up and admit he made huge mistakes and didn't do what he promised. The first thing he said he'd do is bring in a franchize QB to right the ship. Instead of that, he screws the pooch and brings back the loser Mangini! What a maroon!
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Not going to read the posts here. I'm sure Holmgren has been showered with props, congrats and well wishes.
I don't see how he could have coached when he came in. Didn't he have a hip or knee operation? I remember seeing him using a scooter cart for a year or so.
yea he had health problems.
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I don't even know why he is discussed at all. He came and milked Lerner or big cash, while he ran off to Seattle radio instead of embracing Cleveland. I wish to never hear about him again, he was and still is nothing as far as the Browns are concerned.
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Browns must stop doing less with more in NFL Draft Seattle and Cleveland found themselves in the same sorry state in the 2011 season. While the Browns stayed on Oblivion Boulevard, the Seahawks drafted their way to a Super Bowl. It's time for Cleveland to drink some of that “Seattle's Best” formula Steve Doerschuk CantonRep.com sports writer Posted Apr. 24, 2014 @ 11:45 am This needs to be the draft in which the Browns turn the corner, the way Seattle did. Mike Holmgren’s glory days went into a tailspin, and the Seahawks looked seasick for quite a while. They were 4-12 in 2008 and 5-11 in 2009, exactly matching the Browns records. While Seattle improved to 7-9 the next two years, lingering weakness showed in such games as a 6-3 loss at Cleveland on Oct. 23, 2011. It turns out the Seahawks were drafting their way out of the abyss, behind coaches who knew what to do with the picks. On Feb. 2, the right draft moves came home to roost with a 43-8 demolition of Denver in Super Bowl XLVIII. Watching like a hungry hawk, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam came close to hiring one of Seattle’s coaches, Dan Quinn. He opted for Mike Pettine, who seems rather like Quinn, and who has studied the Seahawks as closely as Haslam. So has new general manager Ray Farmer. Life imitates art sometimes. In “Draft Day” — currently in theaters — the Browns while away the hours preoccupied with Seattle. Heading into the real draft, the Browns own one of the most imposing stashes of picks in recent NFL history. With them, they must find the kind of juice the Seahawks are drinking. To illustrate what drafting better than the competition can do, here is a quick study of some of Seattle’s draft picks who were key men in the Super Bowl, relative to Browns players who were drafted higher but delivered less. • 2012 draft Exhibit A: The Browns spent a No. 22 overall pick on quarterback Brandon Weeden, who was cut after two seasons. The Seahawks spent a No. 75 overall pick on quarterback Russell Wilson, who is 28-9 as a starter, including 4-1 in postseason games. Wilson leads Weeden 100.6-71.8 in career passer rating. Exhibit B: Cleveland spent a No. 37 overall pick on Mitchell Schwartz with the hope he would become an upper-echelon right tackle. That was after the Browns chose Weeden and Trent Richardson with higher picks that went bust. Schwartz lost the confidence of a new regime in 2013. Seattle’s second pick, at No. 47 overall, was Bobby Wagner. The middle linebacker made a team-high 10 tackles in the Super Bowl, in which Denver ran for a measly 27 yards. • 2011 draft Exhibit A: With the No. 154 and No. 173 overall picks, the Seahawks chose cornerbacks Richard Sherman and Byron Maxwell. Now? Sherman is a two-time All-Pro. Maxwell emerged as a starter late in 2013 and played well in the postseason. Page 2 of 2 - The Browns chose fullback Owen Marecic (124), cornerback Buster Skrine (137) and guard Jason Pinkston (150) with their three picks before Seattle got those stars at cornerback. Marecic was cut in 2013. Skrine and Pinkston face an uncertain 2014. Exhibit B: The Seahawks landed linebacker Malcolm Smith at No. 242 overall. He became a starter late in 2013 and was named Super Bowl MVP after stinging Peyton Manning with a 69-yard pick-six. He made 23 tackles in three postseason wins. Earlier in Round 7, the Browns lost a pick to Seattle as part of the 2010 trade for quarterback Seneca Wallace. • 2010 draft Exhibit A: The Browns landed a good cornerback, Joe Haden, at No. 7 overall. The Seahawks added even more of a difference maker seven picks later in safety Earl Thomas. Haden has been to one Pro Bowl. Thomas has been first team All-Pro the last three years. Exhibit B: With the No. 60 overall pick, the Seahawks landed Golden Tate, a receiver who nearly got them to the 2012 NFC title game (six catches, 103 yards in a narrow loss to Atlanta) and kept the chains moving with 898 receiving yards in 2013. Two higher picks from the Browns’ 2009 draft, wideouts Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, were out of the league in 2013. Tate recently signed a $31 million deal in free agency, jumping to the Lions. Exhibit C: Seattle landed strong safety Kam Chancellor with a No. 133 overall pick. He has missed only one game in four years. He made nine tackles and an interception, and batted away two Manning passes in the Super Bowl. The Browns traded picks at No. 105 and 137 as part of a deal to get veterans Chris Gocong and Sheldon Brown from Philadelphia. It’s a new draft, a new Browns regime. Cleveland’s first five picks are at 4, 26, 35, 71 and 83. Seattle’s first five are at 32, 64, 132, 146 and 172. It goes without saying that Cleveland’s practice of doing less with more must end. Read more: http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20140424/Sports/140429577#ixzz2zwOKEwyW
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Went with his wife's gut (or God's) which has to be better than the results Romeo managed. I could not care less about the guy now. Lock it; nothing to see here, all water over the dam.
Those who wanted to praise him have done so; the floggers have had their chance. This is one for the history books.
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Not to be too picky, but I don't think Skrine faces an uncertain 2014 at all. Pinkston maybe..
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I also was kind of threw off by that statement... IMO if we draft a stellar corner, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be the #2 come regular season. Whoever is drafted, or even brought in, will have both of their hands full trying to compete with Skrine.
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Seattle and Cleveland found themselves in the same sorry state in the 2011 season.
jc..
Stevie Dork forgot to add exhibit "F" (stands for fail), outlining how many changes the Browns have had in ownership, in the front office, in the scouting department and most importantly, how many changes the Browns have had in the coaching staff since 2010?
...VS...compared to...
...How many changes have the Seahawks had at owner, front office, scouts and coaching staff since 2010.
You can not have success as a franchise if you are constantly making changes in ownership, at CEO and GM, in the scouting department and most importantly, changes in coaching.
When it was announced that Haslam was buying the Browns, Haslam spoke on this very subject, the Browns constantly making changes in the front office and coaching staff since 1999 then he turned right around and fired one coaching staff...hired another...fired them and hired another (Pettine).
...Haslam also fired one CEO&GM, hired another CEO&GM..fired them and hired Farmer.
Compare these changes to the changes the Seahawks have had in coaching, front office and scouting since 2010.
This is who I thought the Browns were getting as the new owner when Lerner sold the team...Aug 7, 2012 Peter King interview with Jimmy Haslam (2nd article)
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So far, Haslam has not followed his own advice...
If Haslam is being honest about following the Pittsburgh model, he will have to allow Pettine and Farmer enough time to produce a winner...I'm talking years, folks. It took Pittsburgh Hall of Fame Coach Chuck Noll, 4 years to produce a winner after he took over as a first time HC in 1969.
I don't believe the team Pettine and Farmer are taking over is that far away from becoming a winner, but everyone (fans, media, owner) has to be prepared to wait long enough for it to happen.
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Maybe they will be as patient and understanding as you were last year.
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Maybe they will be as patient and understanding as you were last year.
Well aren't you forgetting about me?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Nah................your concerns were more legitimate. mac was--and is---completely full of crap. 
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vers...never have you been so wrong about a member of the Browns...ie, Joe Banner.
...and that is damn tough for you to live down and I doubt you will ever admit you were wrong about him.
...I was just the messenger who had his say, then shut the hell up about Banner and didn't post one time for over 4 months...until Banner got himself fired.
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UUGGGHHH
Reading that depressed me
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Not to be too picky, but I don't think Skrine faces an uncertain 2014 at all. Pinkston maybe..
I think the only uncertainty for Skrine, unless we do something really bizarre in the draft is whether he's the #2 CB or the nickel CB...
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Not to be too picky, but I don't think Skrine faces an uncertain 2014 at all. Pinkston maybe..
I think the only uncertainty for Skrine, unless we do something really bizarre in the draft is whether he's the #2 CB or the nickel CB...
I don't disagree with that at all. But the way they made it sound, he's heading for the door LOL I don't think that's even a little true.
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