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I thought I read the other owners could force him to sell, not the commish on his own. So that would comply with NBA rules.
Adam Silver was getting "Mr. Soft" nicknames after his weak attempt to fine Noah for his three F-bombs but that's gone after seeing this! Wow! Looks like the players should be happy.
He was probably the worst owner in professional sports before this controversy. It's good that he's gone.
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Sterling has no case at all. As I mentioned earlier, there is precedent already set with Schott and the MLB. Furthermore, and most importantly, he signed and agreed to the League constitution which allows the commissioner with a majority vote of the owners to vote him out of the league. According to what I just read, that is what Silver stated was his next move, and he says the owners are behind him.
The thing that bothers me in all of this is how the NBA has known for years the guy is a goof, but has remained silent on the issue. However, once he get's recorded and a PR nightmare ensues then they punish him........really hypocritical. Basically zero tolerance against this type of behavior only applies if it becomes a PR problem...lol.
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He should shut down the team and refuse to pay the execs and players. It's his business, and he has a right to do with it what he wants. If the league doesn't want him, shut down the business.
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I read a decent "conspiracy" theory the other day. Basically the mistress that baited Sterling into saying all these comments is a good friend of Magic Johnson. Magic wanted to have a larger ownership role in the Lakers, but that wasn't going to happen with the Buss family in charge of things. He ended up selling his shares in 2010 and started looking around for other teams to buy ... Cue this mistress, who apparently started hanging around Sterling right around the time this happened. She finally got him to say something stupid on tape (although i'm surprised it took her 4 years) ... and now look at who's already being talked about for buying the Clippers. Magic Johnson! And of course, now he can get them pretty cheap because Sterling is basically being forced to sell. Interesting theory anyway.
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He should shut down the team and refuse to pay the execs and players. It's his business, and he has a right to do with it what he wants. If the league doesn't want him, shut down the business.
He would still have legal obligations to pay contracts and such. I suppose he could pout and pay off any guaranteed money, fire everyone else and fold the franchise. But why would he throw gas on and set fire to a billion dollar-ish assett?? It wouldn't exactly hurt the NBA, as they would have no shortage of suitors for an expansion team to essentially replace them. His bet bet is to sell off the team ASAP to the highest bidder and get what he can before sponsors, players and other employees all bail on the organization.
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He should shut down the team and refuse to pay the execs and players. It's his business, and he has a right to do with it what he wants. If the league doesn't want him, shut down the business.
He would still have legal obligations to pay contracts and such. I suppose he could pout and pay off any guaranteed money, fire everyone else and fold the franchise. But why would he throw gas on and set fire to a billion dollar-ish assett?? It wouldn't exactly hurt the NBA, as they would have no shortage of suitors for an expansion team to essentially replace them.
It wouldn't even get to that point.
The board would unanimously vote to oust him and the league would take over the franchise.
And yeah, he'd get sued.
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I don't think it'll be cheap, regardless. A billion to a billion and a half is not cheap for a franchise (that he paid $12 million for).
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I don't think it'll be cheap, regardless. A billion to a billion and a half is not cheap for a franchise (that he paid $12 million for).
I guess it depends on how many bidders come in for the team and how bad of shape the team's finances are when he sells. If there's only one investment group willing to buy and the franchise has been gutted because all the sponsor's pulled out and everyone is refusing to play/coach there ... then they could get a pretty good bargain for a franchise that's in the middle of a dumpster fire.
I don't think that will be the case, as it's a historically poorly run team in one of the biggest markets in the country. I think there will be plenty of buyers.
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I don't think it'll be cheap, regardless. A billion to a billion and a half is not cheap for a franchise (that he paid $12 million for).
I guess it depends on how many bidders come in for the team and how bad of shape the team's finances are when he sells. If there's only one investment group willing to buy and the franchise has been gutted because all the sponsor's pulled out and everyone is refusing to play/coach there ... then they could get a pretty good bargain for a franchise.
I don't think that will be the case, as it's a historically poorly run team in one of the biggest markets in the country. I think there will be plenty of buyers. Still, getting one of the owners to actually "sell" is half the battle.
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Wow!
He should have kept his big mouth shut. He certainly pissed enough people off. He sounds like quite the narcissist to me, so he's probably thinking, "This is NOT my fault."
This whole story made the news interesting for the last few days....
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I read a decent "conspiracy" theory the other day. Basically the mistress that baited Sterling into saying all these comments is a good friend of Magic Johnson. Magic wanted to have a larger ownership role in the Lakers, but that wasn't going to happen with the Buss family in charge of things. He ended up selling his shares in 2010 and started looking around for other teams to buy ... Cue this mistress, who apparently started hanging around Sterling right around the time this happened. She finally got him to say something stupid on tape (although i'm surprised it took her 4 years) ... and now look at who's already being talked about for buying the Clippers. Magic Johnson! And of course, now he can get them pretty cheap because Sterling is basically being forced to sell. Interesting theory anyway.
There are reports out there that investment groups are scrambling all over the place to line up if they go on sale. I don't think it will be cheap, but it's an interesting thought.
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He would still have legal obligations to pay contracts and such. I suppose he could pout and pay off any guaranteed money, fire everyone else and fold the franchise. But why would he throw gas on and set fire to a billion dollar-ish assett?? It wouldn't exactly hurt the NBA, as they would have no shortage of suitors for an expansion team to essentially replace them. His bet bet is to sell off the team ASAP to the highest bidder and get what he can before sponsors, players and other employees all bail on the organization.
This guy is getting railroaded out of his team. It sounds to me that he was goaded into the comments he made, as he was being recorded for the specific purpose to create ammunition to use against him. I don't at all agree with his philosophy, but what is being done to him is wrong. Now we'll see the entire ownership council of the NBA vote against this guy, as they'll all be afraid of being called racists.
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So does this mean the NBA has an official list of unpopular beliefs that can get you banned for life, or is racism about it?
It's not that I condone racism, or any ism for that matter. Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
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He destroyed the viability of the franchise as long as he's owner.
I guess you could wait until the team starts to go under, but why let an arm of your organization (and your organization itself) to bleed like that?
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His franchise has likely never had the value that it has right now. He should take offers but demand a very high but within reason price. That's a win/win for him... he makes a ton of money or nobody meets his offer and he says Hey, I tried.
That said, I'm not sure what the money matters right now, the guy is too old to spend what he already has.
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He destroyed the viability of the franchise as long as he's owner.
I guess you could wait until the team starts to go under, but why let an arm of your organization (and your organization itself) to bleed like that?
The man's private conversation was made public by an unscrupulous person. As I said, I don't agree with the things he said, but he's being railroaded for having private thoughts. Everyone gets ticked off, goes on a rant, and says things they would not want made public at times.
He will sell, as I can't see him letting $900M go poof. I just really think he was set up, and I would hope he had an extreme sense of vengeance. I would like to see him sue the hell out of the NBA.
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Yeah, he'll actually come ahead on this, outside of possibly being bombed with lawsuits.
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I guess you could wait until the team starts to go under, but why let an arm of your organization (and your organization itself) to bleed like that?
The man's private conversation was made public by an unscrupulous person. As I said, I don't agree with the things he said, but he's being railroaded for having private thoughts. Everyone gets ticked off, goes on a rant, and says things they would not want made public at times.
None of that has anything to do with the fact that his comments sank the marketability and viability of the Clippers franchise.
How the comments became public don't really matter as far as that concern, and that concern is all that matters.
Truth is, the league wouldn't care what he said if it didn't/ wouldn't hit them in the pocketbook.
Once enough advertisers pull out, you're dead to the market.
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Sterling is going to file a lawsuit. This will be a legal mess. He has no viable business model as an owner anymore, but he'll fight this and he has a serious case.
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It wouldn't even get to that point.
The board would unanimously vote to oust him and the league would take over the franchise.
And yeah, he'd get sued.
According to ESPN he's not allowed to make any decisions regarding the team or players. I don't think he can fire anybody right now, even if he wanted to.
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Yeah, the only business decision he can make is to sell
He's locked out of any other decisions or moves related to the franchise.
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I just really think he was set up, and I would hope he had an extreme sense of vengeance. I would like to see him sue the hell out of the NBA.
There's a few problems I see with this. Much like the NFL, I'm sure their are clauses about "hurting the brand". I also saw the press conference and it seems that everything done was within the bylaws.
And let me ask you....
If you are not a thief, can you be "set up to steal"?
As we've seen in the past, you can go after a person if they record that illegally. You can not take back what was said or done when you are recorded.
To me that's entirely two different conversations. On a criminal level, I may agree with you. But on a matter of public opinion issue, that's all together different.
You can't go into professional sports as an owner, a face of the league and make comments that put you as an owner and the league in such a bad public light. It's not good for the brand and as such, the brand has a right to protect itself from you and such comments. Freedom to choice applies not only Sterling, but to the NBA and its collective ownership.
I don't believe promoting that Sterling act as a spoiled child in response to this would do a favor to any party involved.
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I don't think it'll be cheap, regardless. A billion to a billion and a half is not cheap for a franchise (that he paid $12 million for).
Do you really think it would cost a Billion or more to buy that franchise? I don't. What did Gilbert pay for a franchise that has LeBron James as it's cornerstone.. 400+ Million.
I recognize it was a while ago, but it hasn't gone up that much in those years. It took the Browns 12 years to double.
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The Sacramento Kings sold for $534 million last summer. These teams are making tons of money lately, as the cap is going up 5 million next year.
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He's locked out of any other decisions or moves related to the franchise.
Is he not allowed to sign the checks anymore? 
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He's locked out of any other decisions or moves related to the franchise.
Is he not allowed to sign the checks anymore?
Which is why I'd be shocked if he doesn't sell the team without incident.
Who wants to fight a losing battle for the right to pour money into a business you have no control over?
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Not defending Sterling or what he said - AT ALL.
With that said - I'm still wondering how he justifies what he said with the fact that he makes money off of blacks - fans, players, etc. It's just something I can't fathom.
Also, when all this broke, half black, half hispanic girlfriend.................and then I read about a wife - that's aware of everything concerning the girlfriend.........does not compute in my mind.
Throw in that he said he doesn't care what his girlfriend does, who she does it with, how often, etc........but "don't broadcast it so I get phone calls having to deal with it....." etc.
Let me recap: He takes money from blacks. He pays black players to put a product out..........he dates a half black - he doesn't care who she's sleeping with - just don't "broadcast it", and "don't bring blacks to the games".........he's married and apparently (even if it's a broken marriage) his wife doesn't gripe about the mistress......
Seriously - in my head I'm struggling to wrap my mind around all of the innuendo's and what not.
Upon hearing he's banned for life, I thought that was a little harsh. The more I think about it, I think it's justified.
You (me) are free to say what you want - as long as it's not "fire" in a movie theater..........but you also will have to deal with the consequences of what you say. Again, my opinions may change, but I think the NBA put a decent and deserving "whammy" on Donald - you don't have to sell right now, but you can't have anything to do with what you own.
And further - I would guess whoever ends up buying the team (let's face it - for Sterling, it's over..........) will be sitting in a good situation.
This situation reminds me that money doesn't rule. I think sterling has a lot..........but that doesn't enable him, or anyone, to just run amok doing and saying whatever they want. He has money, and too many in that situation think they are above reproach.
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There's a few problems I see with this. Much like the NFL, I'm sure their are clauses about "hurting the brand". I also saw the press conference and it seems that everything done was within the bylaws.
And let me ask you....
If you are not a thief, can you be "set up to steal"?
As we've seen in the past, you can go after a person if they record that illegally. You can not take back what was said or done when you are recorded.
To me that's entirely two different conversations. On a criminal level, I may agree with you. But on a matter of public opinion issue, that's all together different.
You can't go into professional sports as an owner, a face of the league and make comments that put you as an owner and the league in such a bad public light. It's not good for the brand and as such, the brand has a right to protect itself from you and such comments. Freedom to choice applies not only Sterling, but to the NBA and its collective ownership.
I don't believe promoting that Sterling act as a spoiled child in response to this would do a favor to any party involved.
First of all, the guy is over 80. He was probably raised with the idea that blacks are not welcome, as they were not welcome by most whites at that time. As my dad once told me, the only black people in his school were the janitorial staff and the guys that played music at the prom. Things have changed, some have not.
He has done racist things in the past. Being a racist is not a crime. That's a First Amendment freedom of association. Discrimination based on race is a civil issue, not a crime.
If he is hurting the NBA brand, the owners should get together and get rid of him using the bylaws, not by fiat as determined by the commissioner. If he is hurting the brand, the fans should not show up, the ads should be pulled, and the players should boycott (which they didn't do, as they wanted to be paid).
The private conversation should never have been recorded and made public, no more than the NSA should be reading our emails or listening to phone calls. The police should be looking into that person.
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First of all, the guy is over 80. He was probably raised with the idea that blacks are not welcome, as they were not welcome by most whites at that time. As my dad once told me, the only black people in his school were the janitorial staff and the guys that played music at the prom. Things have changed, some have not.
I went to a school that had one black student who was adopted by a white family and one black teacher. My music teacher. There was a lot of racist comments in my school. I'm 55. My family is from the south. Would that excuse me from making such comments? Are these comments any less wrong no matter who said them?
That's the thing. It's hard for me to buy into the notion that a billionaire who is dating someone who is half black and very successful in business doesn't know better than I do.
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From my understanding the owners will still be making a vote. Once they side with the commissioner, what will you say? Because they will.
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The private conversation should never have been recorded and made public, no more than the NSA should be reading our emails or listening to phone calls. The police should be looking into that person.
If it is illegal where it was done, I hope they do.
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There's a pretty long standing precedent for commissioners of sports leagues holding the sole authority of handing down suspensions.
And the owners will get rid of him...but in the meantime, you have to protect the brand. That's just business these days.
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If he is hurting the brand, the fans should not show up, the ads should be pulled, and the players should boycott (which they didn't do, as they wanted to be paid).
So let it play out, and end up with the same result as if you had stepped in early and distanced yourself from Sterling?
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Being racist isn't a crime, but it's not really a good fit for the most popular black sport in America.
And it really irks me that people keep bringing up the First Amendment here. Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights weren't violated here.
The First Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want without repercussion.
And the fact that he was recorded without his consent has no bearing on the league acting on his words once they've gone public. This isn't a court of law, it's the court of public opinion, and things don't get deemed inadmissible.
I just don't see how anyone could think this is an injustice or a wrong move.
If you founded and franchised Erik's Chicken Shack, and I owned one of your stores, and some woman privately recorded me saying I don't want blacks in Erik's Chicken Shack, you're telling me with a straight face that you wouldn't dump me immediately? You would retain me, publicly condemn my words but back me, and chastise the woman for recording me?
I ask that seriously.
As for the NBA...loved the woman who asked right out of the gate why the NBA let this go for so long. The NBA is hypocritical here. Everyone's known who this guy is for a long time. They just didn't do anything until it cost them money.
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One of the TMZ articles I read on the situation stated that unpublished parts of the recording make it clear that Sterling was aware that he was being recorded. Take that for what it's worth.
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"And as far as I know, he hasn't been charged with a crime."
You were equating racism with theft. Yes, people can be conned into committing theft. As you were equating with crime, I thought I should remind you that racism isn't a crime.
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I ask that seriously.
You'd have been lucky to have been hired, but you'd be out on your butt so quick it wasn't funny. Now, if she made that public and tried to smear my entire business, I'd be suing her butt off too.
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Upon hearing he's banned for life, I thought that was a little harsh. The more I think about it, I think it's justified.
The more I think about it the more I dislike it.
In the NBA you can go into the stands and punch fans and get less than a year... you can threaten to kill your coach, choke him, and drag him to the ground in front of your entire team and get less than a year... You can almost kill another player in a fight on the court destroying his face and shortening his career and you get 26 games... You can kick a camera man in the groin on the court and get 15 games.. DUI putting peoples lives at risk, 2 games... You can do cocaine and other illegal drugs multiple times, get banned permanently, then get reinstated... You can draw guns on your teammates in the locker room over an argument and get less than a year... Pleading no contest to domestic violence, 7 games..
But make some racist comments in a private setting while not really hurting anybody in the league and you get life... Sorry, but beating people, hurting women, punching fans, risking the lives of others, waving guns around.. seems a bit worse to me than just having a flawed belief system.
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Upon hearing he's banned for life, I thought that was a little harsh. The more I think about it, I think it's justified.
The more I think about it the more I dislike it.
In the NBA you can go into the stands and punch fans and get less than a year... you can threaten to kill your coach, choke him, and drag him to the ground in front of your entire team and get less than a year... You can almost kill another player in a fight on the court destroying his face and shortening his career and you get 26 games... You can kick a camera man in the groin on the court and get 15 games.. DUI putting peoples lives at risk, 2 games... You can do cocaine and other illegal drugs multiple times, get banned permanently, then get reinstated... You can draw guns on your teammates in the locker room over an argument and get less than a year... Pleading no contest to domestic violence, 7 games..
But make some racist comments in a private setting while not really hurting anybody in the league and you get life... Sorry, but beating people, hurting women, punching fans, risking the lives of others, waving guns around.. seems a bit worse to me than just having a flawed belief system.
And I would agree with all of that also.
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So being a racist is OK if you just keep it to yourself....?
So do I have to agree with the mainstream on everything to avoid facing retribution?
If you want to have beliefs then that's fine, but don't get mad when someone calls you on them.
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Upon hearing he's banned for life, I thought that was a little harsh. The more I think about it, I think it's justified.
But make some racist comments in a private setting while not really hurting anybody in the league and you get life... Sorry, but beating people, hurting women, punching fans, risking the lives of others, waving guns around.. seems a bit worse to me than just having a flawed belief system.
All about supply and demand. Not many people can do what Big Ben, Metta, and Sprewell can, but there's a host of white people who can just sign checks.
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Just some random thoughts...
Being a racist is no big deal. To some degree, everybody is. Being a bigot is another matter..I don't know enough of the history to say one way or the other. The guy employed and enriched quite a few non-whites, so it's not like he discriminated in his hiring practices....but that is from a player standpoint, I have no idea what his front office staff looked like or what any of his other business interests may tell.
I do think the guy was set up....something pretty sleezy about that.....but, that's what you get when you think you can be in a relationship with a chick 50 years younger.
The guy would have been better off just dropping a few grand for a nice hooker every weekend.
His estranged wife might have even been ok with that.
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It just shows how far we have not come. This whole situation is a real shame, and a black eye on freedom of speech in this country. If this guy is not being charged with a crime, then why the attempts to punish him.
I'm not really going to pay attention to what this guy said, I'd just like to know who was discriminated against, that would merit some to force him to sell the team.
Yet it seems the height of discrimination to have the whole of everybody turn against this guy because he is a bygot. Let me tell you something, thousands of bygots are around. Just because someone is a bygot doesn't mean they have discriminated against someone else.
So what we have is viewpoint discrimination, which is meant to force someone to change their beliefs.
Now I wouldn't want anyone to change their beleifs. But what this situation shows is a forced thinking. Either you think the way we tell you too or you'll be punished.
Oh it shows how far we have not come, and how far we have yet to go. We will never find an end to racism until people can look past this situation and move on.
We all have a sense of right and wrong and austricizing anyone because of how they think without regard for what they do or not do.Or forcing thought police to demand everybody "tow the line" or face the consequences so that one cannot hold a differeing opinion is what I find without a doubt Wrong!
You have a God given right to be a bygot! You just don't have a right to use it in any way to do or cause anyone else any thing in any way. And these two things are different. I just don't see where the 2nd one has come into play here.
But they will force this guy to sell this team. Which shows just how far we have not yet come.
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So does this mean the NBA has an official list of unpopular beliefs that can get you banned for life, or is racism about it?
It's not that I condone racism, or any ism for that matter. Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
So can Holiday Inn, McDonalds, Burger King, etc. and any other organization that allows someone to hold a franchise under their brand. Holiday Inn can't make you sell your property, but they certainly can and do remove their name from said property to protect their interests for any number of reasons.......mainly anything they deem that damages their brand.
I understand that Sterling has a right to private thought, and indeed this is a slippery slope as Cuban alluded to. However, what rights do Dan Gilbert and the other 30 owners have to protect the brand that their franchise is apart of?? Why should their brand suffer and they potentially lose money because this guy is a moron??
It goes both ways imo. Sterling has a right to private speech, but these guys should have the right to protect their interests as well. I get your point, and agree with it to a certain extent, but you have to respect the other owners not wanting the collective brand (and thus their franchises) to suffer because of an idiot's private ramblings became public.
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